From Istagosthi Forum Feb. 8, 2005

Mahavegavati dasi disciple of Prabhupada Godsister of BTSwami

She said she became unblocked from the fog of truamatization and the reality of what Bhakti Tirtha Swami did finally hit her. I konw she went htrough alot.

Bhaktitirthas Letter to Mahavegavati gave me a chill. He just toys with her. His response to her was insulting!

BT Maharaja never does apologize for the things he is accused of doing by this mataji. And in his correspondence to her, he does make her look like she was crazy. BTSwami is very offensive to this senior Vaishnavi.

I do believe that Maharaja took her passport (Gunaraji Maharaja is doing the same thing with the Argentinian devotees right now), stole her money and probably had sex with that fine devotee that got murdered.

Bhakti Tirtha Swami Bhaktitirtha Swami BTS - Swami BT-Swami

Godbrother Bhaktitirtha,
Hare Krsna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

I've received your email below. Is there some reason why you haven't specifically addressed the issues I brought up in my two emails to you, other than you're saying below, "I am very sorry you have accepted that I am a deviant."?

Why is you you haven't addressed the specifics I wrote to you about? Of course I can supply the answer since I know the extent to which you've been and still are a(n expert) politician. This you've PROVED to me SO MANY times over ALL the years; both in my serving under you AND in the "afteryears;" not once, but MANY MANY times.

You said: "Thank you also for the years you made so many sacrifices trying to assist me in such a difficult place as Africa. I was thinking of the many challenges Africa presented, bad water, disease, accultism, crime, constant fighting among devotees, etc."

Then WHY after ALL those years of my service to Srila Prabhupada under you, did YOU PUSH me out of ISKCON? (AND, you TRIED to have me KILLED in Africa. And WHY did you, KNOWING there was a TERRIBLE COUP going on in Liberia, PURPOSELY SEND Hladini there? (as well as your TRYING send me, so that BOTH of us WOULD get KILLED.)

If you look at the CC Antya lila 4.46,47: IF (let's say) I "had wanted to leave," YOU, (under who I had rendered such faithful service) SHOULD HAVE TRIED YOUR BEST TO BRING ME BACK, but INSTEAD it was YOU who did WHATEVER you could to KEEP ME AWAY from ISKCON and the devotees. It was YOU who LIED about me to devotees, INCLUDING to my devotee friends, telling them I "was crazy..."

My dear Godbrother, you NEVER had to deal with bad water or disease, since you MADE SURE the devotees gave you bottled water, as well as all the other precautions you MADE SURE YOU HAD against imbibing bad water and getting such diseases. Yet, ALL the time I was in Africa, I was NEVER given even boiled water (what to speak of bottled water) NOR was I EVER given a mosquito net or ANY OTHER precaution (as you MADE SURE you had) for malaria (or anything else). That's why I was getting malaria EVERY THREE weeks, which you DIRECTLY SAW FIRST HAND after getting the injections, etc., my finally becoming immune to the malaria medications. To THIS day, my liver and intestines are messed up from those days! And you got to see some of the results I was made to sustain from BAD water. (But this I was never been upset with, and still am not. It's the OTHER TOTALLY HORRENDOUS things I'm disturbed about!)

WHY did you STEAL money from BOTH my Deities and me. (When I say stealing from my Deities, I'm referring to money that you KNEW was ONLY for THEM!) WHY did you do ALL of the OTHER HORRIBLY HORRENDOUS/ABOMINABLE things you did to me? And why did you PREVENT me from going to serve under Radhanath? when this had ALREADY been ARRANGED - not to go into how you TRICKED me into coming back to Africa and STAYING there for MORE than the SIX WEEKS to which I had agreed that I would come, ONLY to take care of (FIX) the problems YOU created (with YOUR politics amongst the devotees there) in Ghana.

You KNOW HOW EASY it is to "play on" (or "play with") my heart, and you ALSO KNOW HOW DIShonest you've been with me ALL these years, including when Aja came into the room when I was TRYING to speak with you directly, AND, your even going to the extent of LYING in the presence of my Deities in that July 10, 1998 meeting. You've had SO MANY opportunities to make SOME ATTEMPT at righting at least SOME of the wrongs, but you did NOT want to do this! You were a liar then, and are STILL a liar; even in this email you are not able to deal straightforwardly with the facts I brought up. It is YOU my "brother" who MADE SURE ALL these years that I was PUSHED OUT of ISKCON. It is YOU who has LIED to devotees about me telling them that I'm "crazy," and it is YOU who THREATENED me with DEATH!!! So do you think I'm SO FOOLISH to "buy into" what you're writing here, your TRYING to THINK you can "fool" me with your (typical tactics of) flattery?

Certainly if I believed your email here, (meaning that I thought you were trying to give a genuine apology), I would NOT be responding in this manner, but I've already gone through MANY of your POLITICAL (so-called) "apologies," where you said "I'm sorry" and turned around and STABBED ME IN THE BACK!!! (I was going to list them, but why bother? You KNOW what they are, what YOU DID!)

I remember VERY WELL your POLITICAL "invite" that I "come to live in Gita Nagari," (which was where I WAS GOING TO COME TO LIVE BEFORE you took over). But you DIRECTED some of your disciples to VOTE AGAINST my coming, your thinking I was TOO STUPID to KNOW what was going on. (TWO devotees involved informed me.)

I could write a BOOK about the HELL I sustained due to your POLITICS, DIShonesty and INTRIGUES - whatever one would call them - and the HELL I've had to sustain ALL these years after I returned from Africa. You have NOT cared ANYTHING about this, (DESPITE the SURRENDER AND SERVICE I GAVE to you in my desire to try to please Srila Prabhupada). INSTEAD you returned my surrender with YOUR (sick) MALICE; your LYING about me, STEALING SO MUCH money from BOTH my Deities AND me, TRYING to get me KILLED, and and and; it could go on for MANY MANY pages and more pages.

Remember how Umapati and I almost got killed ONLY because of YOUR politics? (He NEVER even knew why, but I found out the reason when I went to Nigeria, where the devotees there TOLD me what you were saying to them about Umapati which CREATED/INCITED the problem.) And remember when I got STRIPPED of my clothing in Ghana, and WHY? It came about ONLY as a RESULT of YOUR POLITICS with the devotees there!

And what about Hladini? In that July 10, 1998 meeting you told the devotees Hladini "was a pure devotee." We BOTH KNOW what YOU were telling me in Nigeria as well as the BIZARRE letters she had written to you which YOU SHOWED to me because of your being SO FREAKED OUT over them. In Nigeria Hladini told me YOU WERE FORCING HER into having sex with you! So brother, was Hladini (as you told the devotees in that July 10 meeting) a PURE devotee? If she was, then it means that what she was telling me about you was the truth! (Why would a pure devotee say this if it wasn't true?) But we BOTH KNOW that pure devotees do NOT write THOSE kinds of letters that you showed to me. (You bring me in on YOUR insanity with her, and then you SCREW ME OVER for what YOU MADE me know.)

Do you remember my medical mal-practice case which was worth SEVERAL MILLION US DOLLARS, and how YOU TOLD me to STAY IN AFRICA and NOT GO BACK for the case! Do you remember what I told you and what I explained as the reason that I MUST go back, but you AGAIN instructed (and INSISTED) that I STAY IN AFRICA AND CONTINUE WITH MY SERVICE THERE! And you make your "famous" PROMISES, NONE of which you have EVER kept, and in fact did what was the OPPOSITE:

THESE (below) were your THREE promises made if I gave up the case and stayed with my service in Africa:

1) "I PROMISE that no matter how crippled you become I will see to it that you ALWAYS have a service in ISKCON that you can do irregardless of how badly crippled you become,

2) "No matter how crippled you become I PROMISE that I will see to it that you will ALWAYS live within an ISKCON temple. I will PERSONALLY SEE TO IT. I PROMISE THIS," and,

3) "I PROMISE that no matter how crippled you become I WILL PERSONALLY PROTECT YOU."

(That third one I didn't believe because I had NEVER been protected while in ISKCON, but I DID believe the OTHER two. You BROKE ALL THREE promises, and in FACT, YOU TRIED to have me KILLED and upon my return to the US, you had me PUSHED ME OUT of ISKCON!)

I could go on and on, but I won't. You KNOW what's happened ALL these years.

Don't you feel ANY sense of accountability?; towards Srila Prabhupada and/or Krsna? Again, go READ/SEE those CC Antya 4.46,47 verses. Don't you UNDERSTAND what they mean? (Or have you, like the OTHER ITS GON leaders become SO MUCH COVERED OVER in your delusions?)

You said: "Somehow our relationship at some point became so strained and incoherent."

Dare I laugh at this? "Somehow?" I'll TELL you "how": Because of YOUR being SO DIShonest and your NOT wanting to do ANYTHING to deal with the issues. I followed EVERY sastric recommendation, starting from the most simple (trying to speak directly to you with a HUMBLE manner), and then trying to go through the channels set up by the GBC, my asking that we go together before the Deity of YOUR choice, with NON-partial senior devotees present (who had NO knowledge of anything that had happened) to hear the issues. I asked that it be done before the Deity since this was spoken about by Srila Prabhupada as being the way things were done when there was some discrepency; that it was understood that the participants would not lie in the presence of the Deity. (I was THINKING that in order to HELP you - so that you would NOT have to suffer more reactions to your already horrific deeds, by lying to cover for yourself - we should go before the Deity.) And we know what happened. So THEN, I did it by taking it to the community of devotees through VNN. But STILL you would NOT be honest about things. So put the blame WHERE IT BELONGS; ON YOURSELF. ALL ALONG I had TRIED to speak with you, my even traveling to the places where you were so that I could TRY to speak with you one on one, directly, but YOU WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR THIS!

You said: "Srila Prabhupada has stressed how the sign of a good leader is that he or she makes everyone feel happy and secure."

Well my godbrother, according to what you're saying here, you've been a SCREWED UP "leader" all the time I served under you. (I don't think it was Africa in and of itself that the devotees who had come to serve under you ALL LEFT! Yes, Africa can be a tough place, but I lasted for so long, and it was NOT Africa that made me want to leave. It was YOU and YOUR POLITICS and OTHER HORRIBLE things YOU did.) You were a damned politician back then - some of it due to your own personal insecurities, possibly even sickness? - and still are now, (but WORSE)! I know anyone can change, and I WISH you would, because there was a time when I had a lot of love for you, although I believe I was feeling that love due to the stupid sentimentality that's so inherent within me, because you were doing such horrible things, which makes it ILlogical that I should be feeling such a sense of sisterly love other than sentimentality.

I WISH I could feel love for you. Who "wants" to feel such bitter feelings towards someone else? (I don't like to be feeling these bitter feelings, but I am NOT on the level of Srila Prabhupada or Jesus Christ. And I believe it's ONLY Srila Prabhupada's MERCY that I don't feel more bitter towards, you, and that it took SO MUCH MORE to make me come to this point of bitterness than it would for someone else to have reached it. (MOST PEOPLE would have left you in those FIRST FEW MONTHS, your doing to them what you did to me. But I stayed for YEARS and YEARS!!!)

You said: "The fact that you were under my care"

Dear Bro, I was NEVER "under your 'care;'" I was simply being a SERVING your instructions, your NEVER doing anything to "take care" of me, although I DO acknowledge your telling me to go to the doctor in Ghana, for which if I had not gone, I WOULD have had to have my foot/leg amputated (which seems sort of coincidental, that you have now had to have yours taken off).

You said, "and later became very unhappy, especially after you left Africa, is a fault on me for I have not been able to convince you of my on going concerns about you."

Dare I reply to this, or is it that you are THAT DELUDED AND SICK??? No necessity of my going into the details. I'll just answer in the common vernacular, (of which I know you use and have heard you speak): IF this is NOT coming from some sickness on your part, and it is NOT coming from your being THAT DELUDED, then I can ONLY answer with this: You're full of ****; simple as that, (but not so sweet).

And finally, you said: PS. I remember when you picked up the Indian man   in Nairobi and pinned him to the wall when he blasphamed me and attacked me with racist slurs. How much love you had for me.

Yes, I remember about Shanti - yes, I even remember his name. He insulted you for your skin color, and I went "ballistic." Crippled as I am - although a lot worse now - I didn't even think. As you said, I picked him up and put him against the wall, and I was going to "finish" him off for his insulting my Godbrother. When you called me to tell me to stop, he took advantage of my momentary inattention, and smashed me, then grabbed and broke a few of my fingers, and made his escape from the temple, my telling him not to come back again (and he didn't).

Amazing how your crippled Godsister could fight for you, (and remember how I used to take those big roaches - "flying dates" - out from your room because you were so afraid of insects, ESPECIALLY those things), and how I defended you to the GBC while I served under you, and, and, and. Yet look at what you did to this FAITHFUL servant in return: You WANTED to send me to Liberia to get killed. Then you TRIED to have me done in, in Nigeria, and when that didn't work, you pushed me out of ISKCON and did an effective character assassination on me, lying about me even to my devotee friends, and you threatened me with death. You also lied in the presence of the Deities.

And you say, "My life is and has been an open book"

Your life is an "open book?" I think MAYBE YOU MEAN MACHIAVELLI'S book, "The Prince." Other than that, I can't figure out what other "open book." Go and look at Bali Maharaj's famous words in SB 8.20.4 "There is nothing more sinful than untruthfulness. Because of this, mother earth once said, 'I can bear any heavy thing except a person who is a liar.'"

Dear Godbrother, IF you REALLY believe what you've written back to me, then I can ONLY CRY for you SO MUCH MORE DEEPLY, because it means that you are THAT MUCH DELUDED, possibly even a victim of some very DEEP mental illness which is making you this deluded. And if that's the case, then you can NOT be held to any responsibility for what you've done, and which means that I should be feeling MORE compassion for you, and chastising myself for NOT being able to see such sickness in you, and holding you at fault for what you've done all these years.

You said, "I treated you and Hladini like brothers practically like fellow renunciants."

I don't agree with what you've said, but I WILL say this: While living within the ISKCON temples, and even OUTSIDE, I have ALWAYS lived as a (REAL) renunciate; NOT like those SINyas Godbrothers who USE their position, and live a life of LUXURY and USING people for their OWN (be it gross or subtle) sense gratification. I'm NOT going to "toot my own horn," but I will say that I CONTINUE to live the life as a renunciate, DESPITE my having been FORCED to live in the NON-devotee world. (And I might add that I STILL wear my devotee clothing and CONTINUE to keep my head shaved DESPITE the prejudices I have to go through in doing so. And I STILL follow the four and do my 16+. And I do NOT watch TV, or go to movies, nor do I have a computer or even a CD player, or or; and I do NOT keep non-devotee association. So due to your "mercy" and possibly Krsna's arrangement, I live without any devotee association, TRY to practice as best as I can considering the situation, and REMAIN TRUE to the life of a renunciate.

IF you want to speak directly to me about all of this, let me know and I can send you my telephone number and times when I'm available.

Mahavegavati Dasi
Hare Krsna

Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:44:06 -0800 (PST)
From: "Mahavegavati Dasi (ACBSP)" <mvvd1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Feb 8: Reply To BT
To: btswami@ifast.net, Bhakti-tirtha.Swami@pamho.net

Godbrother Bhaktitirtha,
Hare Krsna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

I sent a reply to your email below on Feb 4th. It was a long reply, and I haven't heard from you concerning that reply. If it was too long for you to read, I'm sending you this "summarized" reply below which will be easier, and is to be found IN your email. In my earlier reply, I gave you the option to speak with me over the telephone. If you want my phone number, I can send this to you.

From: Bhaktitirtha Swami (BT)
To: Mahavegavati devi dasi (MVVD)

Dear Mahavegavati,

Please accept my humble obeisance. All glories to ISKCON Founder Acharya Srila Prabhupada

Please let me take this time to Thank You so much for thinking about me.
Thank you also for the years you made so many sacrifices trying to assist me in such a difficult place as Africa.
I was thinking of the many challenges Africa presented, bad water, disease, accultism, crime, constant fighting among devotees, etc.

MVVD: I did NOT find these to be (as you say), "challenges." What WAS THE challenge was your DIShonesty, politics, lies. hypocrisy, etc., and the resultant effects I had to sustain because of your sick mentality and demonic tactics of manipulation, exploitation, control and abuse.

BT: How wonderful we were able to make these sacrifices for our Guru and Krsna.

MVVD: Speak for yourself. I stayed there sustaining your HORRIFIC ABOMINATIONS, ONLY due to my desire to try to continue to serve and please Srila Prabhupada in His desire that devotees preach in this area of the world. I believe that one MAJOR reason why there were no devotees in your GBC zone was because of you politics and what you would do to such devotees. Can you tell (or "boast" as you always do), of ANY devotee who continued to stay with you? They ALL left due to your politics, nonsense etc.

BT: I will always be indepted to you for your support.

MVVD: In plain understandable (to you) English: You're full of you know what. And if you feel such "indebtedness," you have a VERY SICK way of "showing" it; like a husband who would KILL his wife who had faithfully served him, and then say, "I was so indepted to her for her support."

BT: I treated you and Hladini like brothers practically like fellow renunciants.

MVVD: Really? Where was I? (And, I might add - without any pride to this - I was and am MORE renounced than you. You know; no need for my going into it. You're a liar and hypocrite. And, I might say, your email here is a SAD EXCUSE for a "reply." It proves you are still possessed of such SICK consciousness.)

BT: I am very sorry you have accepted that I am a deviant.

MVVD: You ARE a deviant; your WORST deviation being that you have deviated from Srila Prabhupada's instructions and desires. You, along with these other deviants "on top" have USURPED Srila Prabhupada's movement and are trying to make people THINK you are "as good" as Srila Prabhupada! Due to THIS deviation, ALL of your other specific deviations have come. Rather than being honest, in order to TRY to keep covered the frailties you're possessed of as a conditioned living entity in human form, your trying to PRETEND as if you're "pure" or "advanced," you have done such ABOMINABLE things throughout these years. When will STOP pretending and WAKE UP to the truth of the matter that you're (still) a conditioned soul (with the so many faults) just like the so many other conditioned souls who are TRYING to become devotees?

BT: Somehow our relationship at some point became so strained and incoherent.

MVVD: Politician: Don't TRY to "put it on" me. WHEN will YOU take ANY (some?) RESPONSIBILITY for what YOU've done and NOT done? YOU KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I TRIED to speak with you directly, and... (HYPOCRITE: You preach to others to do so - take responsibility - but you will NOT!)

BT: Srila Prabhupada has stressed how the sign of a good leader is that he or she makes everyone feel happy and secure.

MVVD: Well Godbrother, you certainly do NOT fall into this catagory: You are a spiritual RAPIST! and more, in terms of what you did to me between the years I served in Africa, AND what you did afterwards in order to cover up for YOUR improprieties. You are a LIAR, THIEF, HYPOCRITE, POLITICIAN, MURDERER and, and, and...

MVVD: At least Hladini had to deal with your nonsense for less than a year, and she got killed quickly due to your arrangement. I served under you having to deal with your Machiavellian HORRORS, for SO MANY years, and when I was FINALLY able to escape - after your TRYING to have me done in in Nigeria - I had to live (and still do) with the results of your OTHER Machiavellian tactics; your LYING about me to devotees JUST IN CASE, I MIGHT say something to them about what you had done. You are a SICK man!

BT: The fact that you were under my care

MVVD: I've NEVER been "under 'your' care." I was under your EXPLOITATION, EXPLOITIVE CONTROL and ABUSE, POLITICS, HYPOCRISY.

BT: and later became very unhappy, especially after you left Africa,

MVVD: TAKE RESPONSIBLITY for YOUR actions, what YOU DID, you DAMNED KILLER, POLITICIAN, LIAR HYPOCRITE! (FINALLY I can come out and speak to you so straightly!)

BT: is a fault on me for I have not been able to convince you of my on going concerns about you.

MVVD: Demon that you are, your ONLY "concern" for me was in what you could GET FROM me; how you could EXPLOIT, MANIPULATE and even ABUSE.

BT: At this time in yours and my life I beg your forgiveness and anyone else who feel as their leader that I did not give them proper care or shelter.

MVVD: Your DOG/PIGCRAP above (since the dung of the cow is holy), PROVES your words here to be empty, your TYPICAL political GARBAGE, like the OTHER so-called FALSE apologies "given" before.

BT: My life is and has been an open book,

MVVD: Machiavelli's "The Prince." You're a NASTY, STINKING PERSONIFICATION of it!!!

BT: I have no dark secrets to hide, but as you keep thinking I do, once again I beg forgiveness for not being able to prove or convince you differently.

MVVD: Demon that you are, you even LIED in the presence of EIGHTEEN S'alagram-S'ilas, and could NOT even admit to the LITTLE thing brought up. You have SO MANY SECRETS that you HIDE!!!

BT: I remain so grateful for the wonderful years we struggled together to serve our beloved Srila Prabhupada.

MVVD: Or do we say, I "had to struggle BECAUSE of you." And, going down to reply to your PS:

Yours in service to Srila Prabhupada
With love, BTSwami

BT: PS. I remember when you picked up the Indian man in Nairobi and pinned him to the wall when he blasphamed me and attacked me with racist slurs. How much love you had for me.

MVVD: Pretty amazing: Your CRIPPLED Godsister, can pick up and put against the wall that Indian man (named Shanti) for his racial slurs to you, besides ALL the OTHER (MORE MAJOR) incidents in which I defended you, yet the ONLY "return" you could "give" (gave) was your ABUSES, LIES, HYPOCRISY, TRYING TO GET ME KILLED, and CHARACTER ASSASSINATION of me to the devotees when I was able to make it out of Africa and return to the US!

Our Spiritual Father and Master, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, explained to the devotees on 3/19/04 "Yamaraja is a GBC, but he made a little mistake. He was punished to become a sudra. So those who are GBC's, they should be very, very careful to administer the business of ISKCON. Otherwise they will be punished. As the post is very great, similarly, the punishment is also very great."

Yamaraj is a VERY GREAT Mahajana, a LOT GREATER than any of the devotees on the GBC. So if Yamaraj could (for setting the example) be made to appear to undergo such a "reaction" for His UNintended (what appeared to be) "mistake," what MAY possibly happen to these GBC and/or gurus (including you) who are doing some of the HORRIBLE things they are PURPOSELY doing?

Mahavegavati Dasi
Hare Krsna

--- "Vrajalila (dd) BTS (Gita Nagari - US)"
<Vrajalila.BTS@pamho.net> wrote:

Dear Mahavegavati Prabhu,
Please accept my humble obeisance. All glories to ISKCON Founder Acharya Srila Prabhupada

I am sending you a letter from H.H.BTSwami from my email address because we are having some problems with his server. If you choose to respond to him, please send your reply to his email address. His server is receiving emails, but not sending.

Your aspiring servant
With love, Vrajalila

Dear Mahavegavati,

Please accept my humble obeisance. All glories to ISKCON Founder Acharya Srila Prabhupada

Please let me take this time to Thank You so much for thinking about me. Thank you also for the years you made so many sacrifices trying to assist me in such a difficult place as Africa. I was thinking of the many challenges Africa presented, bad water, disease, accultism, crime, constant fighting among devotees, etc.

How wonderful we were able to make these sacrifices for our Guru and Krsna. I will always be indepted to you for your support. I treated you and Hladini like brothers practically like fellow renunciants. I am very sorry you have accepted that I am a deviant. Somehow our relationship at some point became so strained and incoherent.

Srila Prabhupada has stressed how the sign of a good leader is that he or she makes everyone feel happy and secure. The fact that you were under my care and later became very unhappy, especially after you left Africa, is a fault on me for I have not been able to convince you of my on going concerns about you.

At this time in yours and my life I beg your forgiveness and anyone else who feel as their leader that I did not give them proper care or shelter. My life is and has been an open book, I have no dark secrets to hide, but as you keep thinking I do, once again I beg forgiveness for not being able to prove or convince you differently. I remain so grateful for the wonderful years we struggled together to serve our beloved Srila Prabhupada.

Yours in service to Srila Prabhupada
With love, BTSwami

P.S. I remember when you picked up the Indian man in Nairobi and pinned him to the wall when he blasphamed me and attacked me with racist slurs. How much love you had for me.

Mahavegavati's two letters to Bhakti Tirtha
Bhaktitirtha punished by Krishna with cancer
Bhakti Tirtha Swami - bogus Sannyasi, Guru, GBC