Gaura Keshava aka Greg Jay

Gaura Keshava aka Greg Jay

Gaura Keshava's living guru concoction

Gaura Kesava's living guru concoction
March 29, 2009

Gaura Keshava
Greg Jay

Pranams. All glories to Srila Prabhupada

Hare Krsna Bhakta Jay. I do not consider you even as Gaura Keshava das anymore since you have offended your original initiating spiritual master Srila Prabhupada in so many ways.

Anyone who disobeys his spiritual master as you have done and are presently doing does not deserve to be called Gaura Keshava, nor can he expect the assistance of his spiritual master life after life. Prabhupada told us if you change even one thing, you have fallen down. Your so called "living guru" nonsense if all fabrication and all coming from your Gaudiya matha advisors-NOT our Srila Prabhupada who was cent percent against this living guru business.

That said, I will now go down thru your last email-which I did read this time... But before I do that I will again ask you the original question which your second letter back to me did NOT answer at all.
That question was : Where anywhere in Prabhupdas books does he say one needs a"living physical spiritual master"??
So My one original question to you-- still came back--- unanswered. Just a bunch of fluff instead..

... and render service unto him [How can you know exactly what a non-living guru wants you to do?]

Do you have any idea of how offensive this statement is of yours to all your Godbrothers and God sisters Jay? You are telling many of my personal devotee friends, myself, and over and above that your own spiritual master Srila Prabhupada, that because they never got the physical opportunity to physically meet Srila Prabhupada that they never got connected spiritually to his lotus feet thru diksa. Not only are you telling all of us, you are also saying this to Srila Prabhupada because you are spreading this nonsense in his "name".

Therefore you are trying to Kill my spiritual master by your words. Fortunately for us and unfortunately for you the SUN can never be extinguished.

In a message dated 3/16/2009 2:30:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, jay.greg@gmail.com writes:

Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. [How can you approach someone who is not living?]

[As you mentioned in your previous letter-your comments are in brackets]

Your question above is how can one approach someone who is not living? This is such a childish question for a disciple of Srila Prabhupada to ask I am surprised that such a person as yourself has not figured this out by now. I can only watch and be amused to myself how amazing Krsna's external energy works on various people.

My reply to this question from you is thus: How did the thousands of Prabhupada disciples "approach " him when they never physically met him? As we all know the vast majority (not including myself since I was with him "physically" many times in many places) of his disciples never was physically with Srila Prabhupada.

So by your logic that means all these thousands of devotees are not even disciples of Srila Prabhupada!!

Since they could never be "with him", therefore, according to you they could never approach him and therefore never become his disciples.And according to that recent quote furnished by you, it states in the Hari bhakti Vilas by Sanatana Goswami that the guru-sisya relationship must be for at least one year, otherwise diksa cannot take place. So it seems by your logic and after bringing up this satement by Sanatana Goswami that means according to that statement then nobody in iskcon or elsewhere in the Vaisnava world can ever become initiated by a bona fide Vaisnav Guru UNLESS that person lives for one year with his prospective Guru !!

I am sure glad Lord Krsna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu did not put you and your fertile imagination in charge of spreading Sanatana Dharma !

Because if you were to be put in charge of spreading the Yuga Dharma, nobody would ever be getting initiated since they could not just give up their material life and move to some ashram somewhere else.

Oh just as a side point--Prabhupada DID ask that all his potential candidates for diksa either live in or around one of his temples and be under the scrutiny of the local TP or other leader who would observe his activities for ONE YEAR and then after passing that "test" would recommend that person for Initiation to Srila Prabhupada. This "adjustment" from the Hari bhakti Vilas was called time place circumstances, something you have no understanding at all about. AND that "adjustment" is the prerogative of the real Acarya of Lord Krsna, not you, me, nor anybody else.

And to directly answer your question above here how do you approach a spiritual master?

The answer in short version is-by submission and humility one asks questions to whomever is physically present who is representing Srila Prabhupada and who also has heard submissively from him and is following his instructions without change. That is how you approach the SM. And the other way, which I personally love, it to read his books daily and in this way my spiritual life develops...

Inquire from him submissively [How can you inquire from somone who is not living? What reply do you get?]

Since you have still not inquired from Srila Prabhupada submissively yet,(how many years has it been now?) this proves why you still cannot understand guru tattva. You still think he is dead and gone just like Ravindra Svarupa, who back in 1990 in San Diego laying way back in his chair with him arms cocked behind his head (in the body language of arrogance) asked Rupa Vilas, Karnamrta, Yasoda etc "if you think Srila Prabhupada is still present then why dont you write him a letter, see if he replies?" In other words Ravindra, you, and all your friends of the "living guru" club to this day think Prabhupada IS DEAD AND GONE.

Ironically, however to show your further madness, you still write to him your yearly Vyasapuja offerings even though you still think he is dead and gone. But as Ravindra said, "if you think he is alive, then write him a letter and see if he replies".

So which way are you going to have it? You cant have it both ways.

IF he is dead and gone, as you say, then why do you yearly write vyasa pujas to him?

If you think he is not dead, then why do you preach he is dead and gone and thats why you need a "physically living guru"?

Your ongoing contradictions are simply amazing to us Prabhupadanugas who think you guys have really gone mad.

This is your level of intelligence still to this day. So since you follow this line of "reasoning" and since you never , like all the rest of us, got to sit at Srila Prabhupadas feet for at least one year,that means you also have never been duly initiated by Srila Prabhupada. This is your logic, not mine. Do you see how foolish this mentality is? And if you want to carry this crazy mentality even further consider this:

If the Vaisnava sastras, tantras, etc require a bona fide acarya, such as Srila Prabhupada to entertain his sisyas for at least one year in front of him so that he can physically observe them before he initiates them,. that means, practically, since Srila Prabhupada engaged his thousands of disciples in the worship of installed Radha Krsna Deities that means He , Srila Prabhupada was commiting a great offense to Radha Krsna Deity since he was allowing his, according to you, "Uninitated students" to worship Radha Krsna when "we all know that only duly initiated BRAHMANS" can do so. Therefore the Uttama Adhikari was committing ongoing offenses to Radha Krsna by allowing Their worship by non brahmanas, and non initiated people. So you are saying, in effect, Prabhupada was OFFENSIVE and making ongoing offenses to the Supreme Lord by allowing non initiated people to worship Lord Krsna.

Who are YOU to even say such things? Dont you know this is called the hati mata offense against the Maha Bhagavata? And because you are doing this daily every time you open your mouths and speak or write such jibberish, you are making your futures very very dark due to YOUR offenses against his Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada. You know more than your own Guru? By contradicting him like this , you are offending him very gravely.

...and render service unto him [How can you know exactly what a non-living guru wants you to do?].

First of all Srila Prabhupada told us everything we need to know is in his books and specifically 4 books only. BG, SB, NOD and CC are sufficient to make us Krsna Conscious and Preach Krsna Consciousness all over the world. But apparantly you do not believe in that statement either, otherwise you wouldnt go to the Gaudiya matha, read their books and inquire from them. Here is Prabhupadas actual famous letter to Rupanuga in 1974 regarding this "Impulse" that so many devotees seem to have ....

Therefore we may not commit the same mistake in our ISKCON camp. Actually amongst my Godbrothers no one is qualified to become acarya.
So it is better not to mix with my Godbrothers very intimately because instead of inspiring our students and disciples they may sometimes pollute them. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them.

So there you have it in a nutshell--the answer to your question-what to do and what not to do.

The self-realized souls can impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth.

Again here in this quote you have supplied--why are you taking translations from the unauthorized and highly edited books produced from Jayadvaitas imaginations? This verse BG 4.34 is the first one we Prabhupadanugas look to to see if someone is quoting from originals or changed books.

And you are following the changed books guru--JAS--just see....

PURPORT

The path of spiritual realization is undoubtedly difficult. The Lord therefore advises us to approach a bona fide spiritual master in the line of disciplic succession from the Lord Himself. [If one can approach a non-present or non-living guru then there is no need for a guru parampara, one can directly approach Krsna or the first guru, or any guru in line in between. But specifically here it is stated one should follow the system of parampara. That means approaching the NEXT representative.]

You still have not understood how YOU could have approached Srila Prabhupada while he was with us physically? DId you get to daily and for one year sit in front of him ask him all relevent quesions about spiritual life and then becomming fully self realized, or even partially, from these questions,, go out into the world and tell all others what you learned? No you never got this opportunity Bhakta Jay and never did all us thousands of other disciples of Srila Prabhuapda.

What we did get was the opportunity to sit in SB/BG class on a daily basis and HEAR from the sound vibrations of our spiritual master thru his books, and in THAT way we all made tremendous advancement and as a result of that advancement this Krsna Consciousnement spread worldwide. That is spiritual power and spiritual presence thru the sound vibrations of a pure devotees voice which touch the saffron mercy particles of the Lords Lotus feet.

There is no need to wonder about large physical "gaps" he told us in the param para-you simply pick up the message from the last (or present in this case) Acarya and hear from him. In this way your spiritual life will gradually develop. It is so simple, you dont you get it??

No one can be a bona fide spiritual master without following this principle of disciplic succession. [Do you also want to make advancement? If so do you want to come also to the platform of guru? If you do you MUST follow the principle of disciplic succession, which means approaching the living representative.]

There are two kinds of spiritual masters-diksa and siksa-both convey the same message, however, one must be Uttama Adhikari (diksa guru), pure devotee, while there can be all kinds of siksa gurus maybe pure maybe not, it doesnt matter.

Anybody who repeats exactly what he has heard from Srila Prabhuapda is a guru--siksa guru. Even little Sarasvati was a guru--sisksa guru, but hardly capable of delivering the entire universe.

"What you have heard from the spiritual master ---THAT is LIVING"

Submissive Hearing from the bona fide guru is how we approach the representative of God. And becasue you are still arguing this living guru nonsense, means you still have not approached Srila Prabhupada. Otherwise he would have long ago imparted to you within your hard heart, this simple understanding.

The Lord is the original spiritual master, and a person in the disciplic succession can convey the message of the Lord as it is to his disciple. No one can be spiritually realized by manufacturing his own process, as is the fashion of the foolish pretenders. [Here Lord Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead says that NO ONE can make up his own process of accepting a guru. Therefore the posthumous rtvik system of accept a previous guru cannot be accepted because it has NEVER been enunciated by the Lord in any sastra.]

Speaking of making it up-why did you and Ramananda Raya you go to Vasudev Battacarya in India and take initiation from him?? And why do you now deny doing this?

My good friend Yasoda nandan today told me personally, you told him, you did this some years back. And now you deny doing it? As Prabhupada says, one is initiated ONLY ONCE. To accept initiation again from somebody else is a huge offense to your diksa guru Srila Prabhupada.

And why did you go the LA temple recently and try to introduce the system of offering bhoga to the Deities that is practiced in the Gaudiya Matha and NOT the system taught by your own guru, Srila Prabhupada???

Therefore you are not qualified to preach to anybody, least of all any Prabhupanaugas who know more than you will for a thousand lifetimes with your present smarta mentality.

Regarding your last so called argument about ritvik not being in any sastra-if you want to go there, then in the sastra since everyone is born a sudra in kali yuga, you did not deserve to take first and second initiation from Srila Prabhupada being a sudra by birth. Only brahmanas by birth are given diksa, according to your smarta sastra. Therfore you are not a Brahmana or even a disciple and therefore you should not be preaching to anyone about Dharma.

Do you even understand any of this logic here??? I am using your convuluted logic and turning ir back on you so that maybe you will understand all the foolish things coming out of your mouth.

regards, Gaura Keshava das

Hari bol Jay, Damaghosa das

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I wanted to make, if the Vaisnavas will permit me, one final comment on the flurry of emails coming from Gaura Keshava. After this I will be putting his address in my block box for email as I do not wish to hear from this person again. What follows is 5 cut/pastes from 5 seperate letters coming from GK.

Hare Krsna

Damaghosa das

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In a message dated 3/29/2009 2:36:05 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jay.greg@gmail.com writes:

However sastra does give us a bonafide way to take diksha. Find a guru, test him, accept him. Then he gives the mantras. This is described in Hari Bhakti Vilasa as ordered by Lord Caitanya. When in doubt we should follow this traditional system. Because so many people disagree I say there is doubt. Therefore only the sastric system is acceptable in a situation of doubt. You say there is no doubt about Prabhupada's intentions for post samadhi rtvik diksha. Practically we know otherwise.

So here above we find one of the causes for GK speculations--he thinks BECAUSE there is so much doubt

about future initiations in iskcon THEREFORE we must revert back to the "traditional system".

This means in effect, he is in DOUBT--He is stating that so much doubt exists on both sides, THEREFORE

we should just go back to the old fashioned way of tradition where any old person first, second, or third class devotee can do initiations.

As far as the ritvik side is concerned, we have NEVER changed our opinions since day one on this topic.

Whereas iskcon has changed it almost yearly and STILL they admit they dont have it nailed down conclusively-and thats according to one of their own GBC--Hari vilas who wrote his paper a few years ago for submission to the GBC body, calling for somebody to write a "final iskcon" guru-tattva paper..

However our Srila Prabhuapda states "That one who has complete faith in guru and Krsna all the imports of vedic wisdom are imparted to him". So who has faith in guru-so much that we are not shaken even the midst of so much difficulty? We Prabhupadanugas have not changed our faith in Prabhupada since day one--nor his words. And yet in iskcon they have NO faith in their own gurus which is why they say pick one at your own risk.

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In a message dated 3/29/2009 2:36:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jay.greg@gmail.com writes:

Here we find that although Raghuvarya Tirtha was the acharya in diksha parampara of the Madhva sampradaya he was NOT a pure devotee or uttama adhikari. He is also not mentioned in our guru parampara which is a siksha parampara.

So there is the proof. One can be an acharya or diksha guru in a bonafide diksha parampara (Madhva sampradaya which we are supposed to belong to) and NOT be an uttama adhikari.

This Raghuvarya Tirtha from the Madhva param para GK refers to above from Prabhupadas purport was obviously NOT a pure devotee and GK also mentions "is also not mentioned in our guru param para".

So there is your answer, GK--This Raguvarya Tirtha is not in our param para BECAUSE he is NOT a pure devotee. Its that simple. This man was obviously not completely pure and so was in some other "sampradaya" (the Tattvavadis-a SUB BRANCH coming FROM the pure MAIN BRANCH in which we belong.

One branch (full of pure devotees) is pure the other is impure-its that simple.

Just like today there are so many iskcon "gurus" doing "initiations" but they are (obvious to everyone) NOT pure, and BECAUSE of that they were appointed as ritviks by Srila Prabhupada.

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In a message dated 3/29/2009 2:32:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jay.greg@gmail.com writes:

Srila Prabupada never instructed that this system was to go on after his disappearance. You try to infer that only by Satsvarupa's question. But Srila Prabhupada never said it. Your inference is incorrect because it deviates from sastra and Srila Prabhupada never deviated from sastra. Your contention is that whatever Srila Prabhupada says MUST be the same as sastra. But this is only correct in so far as what he said follows sastra. Not every interpretation of what he said follows sastra. Those interpretations of what he said that do not ALSO follow sastra must be rejected as mental speculation.

What part of ---"in the future when you are no longer with us, we want to know how initiations will take place--DONT YOU UNDERSTAND??

To which Srila Prabhupada answers--"ritvik"

So GK says we INFER Prabhupadas answer of "ritvik" only because he "infers" that because ritvik was never done before, and Prabhupada "never"

did anything against sastra, THERFORE, we AND Prabhupada must be wrong and GK is right !!

Because GK just doesnt seem to have enough brain cells to understand plain english he cannot fathom this conversation or several others.

Again the quote--For one who has impicit faith in the words of Guru and Krsna all the imports of Vedic wisdom are imparted to him....

Or, if someone just doesnt know any sastra-just look at the terrible result of a once very flourishing iskcon empire all over the world with thousands of happy , bright faced devotees willing to work themselves to death for Srila Prabhupada and his temples.

Now go to any of these temples, you'll be lucky to find anybody home....and if you do, the first thing they will ask you is-- WHO is YOUR guru?? That means Prabhupada is not the Acarya of his own temples anymore, they have replaced him with upstarts.

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In a message dated 3/29/2009 2:32:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jay.greg@gmail.com writes:

During Srila Prabhupada's lifetime he gave diksha mantra by tape recording to many disciples. Though not traditional the sound vibration can be given in this way. In this case though he also gave permission for the person to be his disciple. After he stopped accepting disciples then no more permission was given. If you say that today there is ongoing permission for anyone to take diksha from Srila Prabhupada in this way then just prove it by a direct instruction from him mentioning him giving diksha in such a way after his disappearance. NOT AN INFERENCE OR INTERPRETATION BUT A DIRECT STATEMENT TO THAT EFFECT. There is no such statement. Why? As I have stated above, because it would be against sastra. And Srila Prabhupada followed sastra 100%.

This was answered above..

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In a message dated 3/29/2009 2:34:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jay.greg@gmail.com writes:

In ISKCON Srila Prabhupada instituted another order offering the items to the guru first. In this case the item cannot technically be offered afterwards to the Lord having first been enjoyed by the guru. This is technically not correct. Therefore we must in this case follow sastra and adapt our worship method to the one followed by all Vaisnava sampradayas. The doctrine or principle of worshiping the guru first is correct but the technicality of HOW that is to be done is incorrect.

By the way this system is followed in most temples in Europe where I standardized the deity worship in the 1980's. It is not followed in some temples like LA because some Prabhupada disciples find it difficult to accept and they have no experience of the correct technical details as practiced in India

Right-- it is NOT followed in LA temple because you cannot fool all the devotees all the time. As much nonsense that still goes on in the LA temple., at least they still follow the system that Srila Prabhupada set up regarding guru- param para- Krsna for offerings. At least, that is, when some newcomer doesnt have his guru's picture on that altar. And then when that is done, the local devotees only eat the "prasadam" that has been offered in the restaurant where the understanding is that EVERYTHING there, is offered ONLY to Srila Prabhupada--that way they (the TP authorities) KNOW they can SELL it to all. Talk about a bogus system-eh?

But back to the above quote from GK--This man is so arrogant, I can see why he was formerly referring to the Tattvavadis section of CC since he has so much in common, with their arrogance. This GK has the audacity to say to us all, that the system that Srila Prabhupada set up, the Senapati Bhakta appointed by the Lord Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu Himself, that system where his Senapati Bhakta (Srila Prabhupada) is be offered bhoga FIRST --this sytem is according to GK, WRONG and his (GK) system, the fly from Australia, is correct.

Iso 12
These rogues are the most dangerous elements in human society. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gita that envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Bg. 16.19-20). Sri Isopanisad confirms that these pseudo religionists are heading toward the most obnoxious place in the universe after the completion of their spiritual master business, which they conduct simply for sense gratification.

Hare Krsna

Damaghosa das

Gaura Kesava prabhus contradiction

Hare Krishna Gaura Keshava,
All glories to Srila Prabhupada, the bona fide acarya, living diksa-guru and living siksa-guru.

Prabhu, you say that one should accept a living diksa-guru and then you say that we must accept Srila Prabhupada as our siksa-guru.
If the diksa-guru and the siksa-guru are to be accepted to be on the same spiritual platform, or that they are one in the sense that the siksa-guru doesn't contradict the diksa-guru, then why do you say that the false gurus in Iskcon are living diksa-gurus and Srila Prabhupada is not a living diksa-guru?
This is another concoction. How convenient!
Yes, you cannot accept Srila Prabhupada as your living diksa-guru, but yes, you can accept him as your living siksa-guru. So if we can accept him as our living siksa-guru, then why can't we accept him as our living diksa-guru?
You say we should accept Srila Prabhupada as our siksa-guru but you also say that Srila Prabhupada is not alive, so how can we take shelter of a non-living siksa-guru?

Prabhu, let's worship the living diksa-guru and living siksa-guru Srila Prabhupada.

Gaura Kesava prabhu, if Srila Prabhupada can be our siksa-guru that means that he's able to instruct us in the present moment without a physical form.
It's common sense that instructions can be imparted by somebody who is living and who is also a person.Instructions cannot come from dead matter.
If somebody is giving instructions that means he's a living person even without a physical form. Otherwise you don't have the right to tell us that we should accept Srila Prabhupada as our siksa-guru.
Srila Prabhupada cannot be dead as a diksa-guru and at the same time be alive as a siksa-guru. This is a contradiction.
To take shelter of Srila Prabhupada as our siksa-guru means that we are taking shelter of a living person, a living siksa-guru. How can you take shelter of somebody who is dead?
If Srila Prabhupada can give us instructions right now as you say that means he can also purify us and give us diksa because by diksa we also get instructions about transcendental knowledge. This is common sense.
If someone prays to Srila Prabhupada and you ask him:
-Are you praying to Srila Prabhupada as your diksa-guru?
-Yes
-That's not possible, he's dead.Hmmm!
-How can you say that he's dead?
-Well, yes, he's dead, but the point is that he's not a living diksa-guru. If you want to offer prayers to him, you have to accept him as your siksa-guru, then he's living, not dead. Hmmm! I mean,Gaura Kesava prabhu, what a contradiction!

your servant, Raghunatha Bhatta dasa

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Dear Gaura Keshava Prabhu,

Please accept my respectful obeisance's. All glories to our jagat guru Srila Prabhupada!

I must say I am disappointed with your response to my response to your request for more information about Srila Prabhupada's final instructions for initiations in particular.

You asked for more evidence and I gave it to you. You wrote me back privately just a few hours later. How could you of had time to get the tapes and letter and heard and read them in 4 hours?

I had high hopes for you but you let me down. Being a gentleman is not enough. You must be simple and honest also. You are not.

In specific response to your email I would like to say that guru comes first then sastra then sadhu. How can you understand sastra without the guru to explain it? The guru is the most important and his orders are sastra to the faithful.

The acharya makes changes to fit the times. Sometimes sastra needs to be updated for the times. Srila Prabhupada never went against sastra; he produced it in a practical way for us.

We don't admit 'non Vaisnava doctrines', we want Srila Prabhupada's orders to be followed. He ordered the ritvik system for his movement after his physical departure. It is on tape and in writing. You are being offensive to him for calling his instructions 'non Vaisnava doctrines'.

Vaisnavism is not just based on sastra! It is based on guru sastra and sadhu; and again I'll say guru comes first. How can you have sastra and give it priority over the guru who gave it? You don't make sense on that. Just as the ritvik priests would not give Krsna and Balarama the Prasadam but their devoted wives did. You remind me of a smarta brahmana who is denying the gurus orders and this the guru thinking you know more than him. You need to do some sincere soul searching if you want to get on the right track back to Godhead. You can't jump over the guru, like a leapfrog, thinking you know better than him.

My recollections and Guru Kripas are different because I was there at that time and he was not. My recollections are backed up by tapes and the July 9th 1977 Newsletter to all temple presidents and GBC's.

Again in case of dispute among sadhus we should resort to the guru!

The facts are conclusive not as you say just because you don't want to really understand them because you may be getting your rice bowl by filled by the GBC and their supporters. You and they are off track despite your claims of following 'sastra'. First follow guru then you will understand his 'sastra' properly. July 9th letter included!

I'm sorry to say that I do take your response as offensive to me and worst of all to Srila Prabhupada. You owe him a better look at the facts. Fortunately, I am forgiving but I don't think Krsna will forgive you and anyone who discredits Srila Prabhupada's instructions. I honestly thought you were going to have a breakthrough but you didn't. I hope you do soon for your own good and the good of Srila Pradhupada's mission.

Hoping this meets you well,
your servant,
Gauridasa Pandita Dasa

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Comment: This is actually in response to the initial posting interjected by Gaura Kesava das when I inquired as to your upholding of Srila Prabhupada Kirtan. Please do not play into Gaura Kesava das' game. He is appealing to your ego by creating an air of contrived camaraderie and encouragement so that these critical issues will be clouded with self-aggrandizement and "side-choosing".

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Srila Prabhupada, our living diksa-guru
and LIVING (not dead) siksa-guru

721020ND.VRN Lectures
But in this life, if we develop Krsna consciousness by association of devotees... As Narottama dasa Thakura has sung, tandera carana-sevi-bhakta-sane vasa. One's aim of life should be to serve the acaryas. Acarya upasanam. So our acarya in the Gaudiya Vaisnava Sampradaya, the sri-rupa sanatana bhatta-raghunatha, sri-jiva gopala-bhatta dasa-raghunatha, the Six Gosvamins, and if we associate with them... this book, Nectar of Devotion, Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu, if you read regularly, try to understand, this means you are associating with Srila Rupa Gosvami directly. And if you act accordingly, then you are serving their lotus feet. Tandera carana-sevi-bhakta-sane vasa.

". . .He was first deputed by my Guru Maharaja, along with our late God Brother, Bhakti Pradip Tirtha Maharaja, to open a missionary center in London, and they stayed there for 3 years, but didn't make any appreciable advance. Except that spent enormous money of my Guru Maharaja, and later on they were called back to India. So that is a great history; it is not possible to say everything in this letter, but for the present, be satisfied with these words, and later we shall talk more and more. On the whole, you may know that he is not a liberated person, and therefore, he cannot initiate any person to Krishna Consciousness. It requires special spiritual benediction from higher authorities."
[Srila Prabhupada Letter to: Janardana -- New York 26 April, 1968]

What is this "spiritual benediction" that Srila Prabhupada is talking about? I thought that diksa initiation is enough to become guru? One need not become an Uttama Adikari right? Basu Gosh says "like a peon" anyone can become guru, even a Kinishta Adikari.

Drunken priests and messiahs: equals?
March 24, 2009

Dear Prabhus, Gaura Keshava has been writing "position papers" for the GBC's bogus gurus for quite a long time, as well as performing "yagnas" and acting as their brahamana advisor. We are told that he was doing a ghost chasing portion of a jagna at an ISKCON center. Why, because their gurus are all in need of getting ghost busted by Chitesvara? Radha's servants are full of -- ghosts?

All you have to do is go to the web sites of the molester messiah's project such as "Dandavats" to find Gaura Keshava's postings there. Of course, us non-molester messiah worshippers are forbidden from posting there. GK also apparently wrote some other papers about ISKCON's deity worship for the possible purpose: when our ISKCON children are worshipping their molester messiah's sampradaya of "illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs," the children will be using the correct arotike process. "GK is a company man" says one of our associates "and the company policy is molester messiahs."

I was told more recently that Gaura Keshava was trying to modify the arotike process to start off with Krishna and not the parampara, and even ISKCON temples rejected him. Gaura Keshava dasa was one of the ISKCON brahmanas who seems to have not noticed there were major problems with say New Vrndavana, where we have all seen photos of Kirtanananda sitting on his guru seat covered with the hands of boys, and we all saw KS with a boy on his lap while he drove around in his car, and KS had boys in his cottage and motorhome -- and so on and so forth, and no one noticed there was a problem? Well yes, the karmi newspaper ladies immediately said, this (Kirtanananda) man is a homosexual pedophile. While Gaura Keshava could not figure this out apparently?

Gaura Keshava: Yes, I am. I am not taking this literally. Just as I don't take "Back to Godhead" literally, because the baddha jiva has NEVER been there.

[PADA: OK, Gaura Keshava says: when Srila Prabhupada states "We have all been originally in Krishna's lila or sport," that is wrong or a lie. Of course how can we "go back" to a place where we never were? Gaura Keshava also cannot comprehend basic English. Gaura Keshava does not take Srila Prabhupada's statements "literally."

We need to accept a higher authority than Srila Prabhupada, namely Mr. Gaura Keshava. Did we forget to mention that even some of the GBC gurus in Gaura Keshava's line disagreed with him, namely when the GBC made a committee on jiva tattva which wrote a paper saying Gaura Keshava's interpretation is wrong? Now Gaura Keshava says he does not agree with the acharya Srila Prabhupada nor does he even agree with his hokey pokester post-1977 gurus.

And why not, since he is affiliated with card carrying member of the molester messiahs group.
http://www.vnn.org/world/WD9809/WD06-2159.html

Basu Ghosa
Bryan Davies

Meanwhile Gaura Keshava's pal Basu Ghosa is worried that Madhu Pandit is getting too much money. Yes, we need to stop Madhu Pandit's funds so we can starve to death the one million people he is feeding every day. And then we can instead feed our $400,000,000 molesting lawsuit and its beef steak lawyers. We need to make sure the steak eating lawyers are getting fed nicely, and not the poor. What mercy prabhu!

Once again, a follower of Jayapataka writes to say: it does not matter if the 11 were ritviks or gurus or whatever. What? It does not matter if you are the church mouse, church elder, drunken priest, or if you are -- the messiah Lord Jesus? There is no distinction between the layman and the messiahs? It really means, these people have no discrimination. And Gaura Keshava is one of the people "keeping the mushrooms in the dark," "not waking the worker drones," with his smoke and mirrors word jugglery. To sum then, it does not matter if you worship child molesters or Krishna's pure devotees, nothing matters except -- keeping the salaries of these bogus brahmanas going. Thanks pd

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RE: Gaura Keshava and Basu Ghosha (Baroda)

Prabhus, pranams,
(1) Gaura Keshava dasa told our associate that he was impressed with the teachings Narayana Maharaja, as we all know: (a) NM supported the pedophile messiahs club and its root "dear Tamal tree," (b) NM directly attacks the purports of Srila Prabhupada, (c) NM not only criticizes but completely re-writes purports and statements made by Srila Prabhupada, (d) NM complained about us when we objected to the pedophile pooja, (e) NM was Satsvarupa's darling for ten years, (f) NM's Guru Tattva book cites that "there was nothing wrong with the 1936 (homosexual) guru," (g) NM reinitiates Srila Prabhupada disciples, and so on.

Is this an authority for Gaura Keshava? If so -- it explains a lot.

(2) Exactly who is Gaura Keshava's living guru? He never tell us, except that he is happy with NM? That means he cannot even follow his own idea (hypocrisy). Perhaps why Jesus says, oh ye hyprocrites, sons of vipers. Then again, this shows sympathy for the Gaudiya Matha. Of course, if his living guru is NM, then no wonder he never speaks up, he is too embarassed to give us the name of his living guru.

(3) Srila Prabhupada said he would live forever in his books while Gaura Keshava says that the books no longer contain spiritual knowledge (di) which destroys sins (ksha) aka (dikha). So he attacks the books, meanwhile not telling us where to get the actual divyam jnanam from since ours is allegedly bogus? He erases Srila Prabhupada, then forgets to fuill in the vaccum he created? Of course as well all know, that vacuum is often occupied by molesters and deviants. Or is Gaura Keshava trying to get us to worship his living guru pal NM? Seems likely?

Gaura Keshava says there are many "other" replacements for Srila Prabhupada, so surely he can help you by giving there names. So far he has been sitting around drooling on himself for a few weeks being unable to name even one person as his current living guru, apparently he forgot who his guru is? Maybe he will remember eventually. However his pals like Basu Ghosa are member / enforcers of: the enforced cult ritualitic worship of homosexual pedophile messiahs camp (see below).

Then again any ten year old child in public grade schools could defeat Gaura Keshava since any school child knows that persons who are "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children" are not and never were "guru links" in a chain of messiahs from God.

Even the school children can defeat Gaura Keshava and his pals, no wonder then they never take us to courts, they will look like foolish idiots in court. "Your honor we hope you are dumber than an average ten years old, so we are suing Mr. Puranjana." Hah hah hah! Anyway, we suggest others to write the same things, especially if the molester messiahs campus gives you any problems, and defeat them and prove their idea is wrong. You can all write the same type of letters as this an establish yourself even legally as correct. thanks pd

Thanks Gaura Keshava for your maunam samyam raksati, this means we can officially state to the devotees; and public; and in and around ISKCON centers; and in Hindu and Vaishnava newsgroups; and in media releases etc. that Greg Jay aka Gaura Keshava dasa accepts and defends ISKCON's post-1977 enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophile guru / messiahs regime, which is fully documented as saying that God's messiah gurus are "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children," as is promoted by persons on his samprajna web site. He is part of that group, and is not going to publicly disassociate from that group because he is part of that group. Told ya! So we can officially cite his name as a defender of this process, which has mass molested thousands of children and murdered people who refused to worship their pedophile "Jesus-like" messiahs, since he is a defender of that ideology and its promoters like Basu Ghosha. thanks ys Thanks pd

Gaura Keshava: lets stick to philosophy.

[PADA: We already know your philosophy, you are part of the "shastric advisors" for ... the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophile messiahs regime, like your pal Basu Ghosa. Basu Ghosa is a card carrying member of the GBC's pedophile guru system, and thus ALL of his post 1977 gurus are either: (a) homosexual pedophiles, (b) Founder fathers, cheer leaders, enforcers, reinistators, and COVER-UPS for the pedophile pooja, and (c) Those voted in by homosexual pedophiles and their founder fathers, enforcers et al. And Gaura Keshava's face is right there on the same web page with these folks, he is one of them!

http://samprajna.org/node/4

Basu Ghosa also just wrote an eulogy to BV Puri, another cheer leader of the pedophile messiahs camp. Even after our associate lectured for two hours to BV Puri about GBC guru deviations including: homsexuality, crimes and molesting and so forth, BV Puri still went on and refers to the GBC as "GURUS," despite our associate told BV Puri EXTENSIVELY that the GBC gurus system is promoting deviants and homosexuals etc. as VISHNUPADA acharyas. They are still "gurus" despite promoting HOMOSEXUAL PEDOPHILES as VISHNUPADA. This is Gaura Keshava's camp's entire siddhanta in a nutshell par excellence.

At least your friends on your we site are in that camp. Guilt by association. Then again Gaura Keshava cited another Gaudiya Matha Maharaja as authoritative to another one of our associates. The Gaudiya Matha folk are perhaps the biggest cheer leaders of the GBC's pedophile pooja messiahs project on the planet. This is their idea of shastra at least so far. Thanks pd]

Vyapaka Prabhu: So until you can do provide some sastric support, I humbly request that the Shyamasundara (the astrologer), Trivikrama, Basu Ghosh, Pancaratna, Sankarshana and Krishna Kirti's of the world to please shut up. Your hypocrisy is enough to make me puke.

Please also see:
Gaura Keshava's mayavadi smarta-ism
Gaura Keshava joins PADA in principle