(from Gaura Kishore dasa)
Dear Prabhus, PAMHO AGTSP!

*** Already global Vaishnavism is in tilted, slanting position due the very fact that Vaishnavism is splitting into innumerable competing mini missions. Just like Neandertal religions, the Vaishnavas are not able to overcome those differences and have an united global Lord Caitanya's Sankirtan Movement. The very word "united" is by the way already emphasized by Lord Caitanya Himself, using "Sankirtan."

[PADA: For starters, as we see in the Bangalore ISKCON lawsuit, the GBC's folks are arguing that Madhu Pandit (Bangalore ISKCON) is ruining the reputation of India by publicly collecting funds -- saying that children in India need free food. Meanwhile, the GBC itself has totally ruined the reputation of Hinduism all over the world by saying India's / Hindu's / Krishna's / guru succession is full of: illicit sex with men, women and children, criminals, drug addicts and persons implicated in murder and perhaps the murder of the founder of the religion. No one seems to think this is degrading for the Vedas and India? We are baffled here? Showing a photo of a starving child is "ruining" the good name of India, but saying that child molesters and deviants are India's / God's / Hindu's "eternally pure as Krishna" chain of gurus / acharyas / saints is wonderful? So we have a real hard time figuring out why it is better to have a public position that homosexual pedophiles are part of the chain of Hindu's gurus and saints -- as opposed to showing a starving child to collect money for feeding the poor? Hence, the public battle has already been going on for 35 years, you are just now catching up to finding out about it. Publicly, all the GBC can say is that we are bad because we collect money to feed the poor, meanwhile, they have publicly degraded Hindu's / India's and Krishna's successor messiahs as deviants, criminals and child molesters. More baffling is why the Bangalore devotees are not out there picketing the courts -- asking why any good people of India at all -- are taking the side of the child buggery messiah's project that is destroying the good name of India wholesale for the past 35 years?

As for the "samkirtana," it is the Prabhupadanugas who are the only ones who are "uniting" the Vaishnavas. We have accumulated thousands of devotees worldwide -- throughout America, Africa, Australia, China, Germany, Europe, India, New Zealand, Taiwan, UK, and many other places, and they are all currently following our process of worshiping Srila Prabhupada. And we are gaining more and more of these types of followers for him every day. Even some ISKCON temples are now following our process, as they are allowing only Srila Prabhupada's photos and guru pooja. We are thus "uniting" the devotees more than anyone else could even dream of doing. We are also exposing false cults like Narayana Maharaja who insults the acharyas by saying that monkeys are acharyas (see our expose of NM's monkey messiahs on youtube.com/pada1008). And since sectors of ISKCON and its individual members are gradually converging upon our idea, that means we are purifying and uniting -- even ISKCON! We also get letters all the time from ISKCON people who tell us -- despite that they are living within ISKCON -- they are reading AND ACCEPTING our materials. They are converting to our idea: Worship the pure devotee, and this is making you folks angry? We have the only unification process currently going on worldwide. What is your "better" idea then? You are yourself one of the mini-missions your describe, no one has heard of your program at all. Now as for the bogus GBC, they say that Krishna's gurus and successors are engaged in illicit sex and criminality -- and this is stated in their public GBC reports and publications. Are you saying their public stated ideas should stand and no one can publicly object? That means you are de facto defending their public position -- that God's successor messiah gurus are: engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children. That public idea can stand, no public challenge is allowed? And yet due to rejection of these bogus ideas, our Prabhupadanuga numbers are increasing daily, and we are uniting the devotees under one banner: worship of the acharya. You have no practical unificiation idea or process going on that we know of? The bogus gurus have already spent millions of dollars combating us over the child molesting issue, then they spent hundreds of thousands on the book changes issue, and so on. OK, we bankrupted them here in the USA. And now they are spending millions more, using their rupees to sue us in India. Do you think they would spend one single penny bothering with your ideas? No, they are not. They are spending millions to counteract us because they know we are the process that is defeating them. We are the "mission" they need to address, not yourself. So now the bogus GBC types are saying, we Prabhupadanugas are publicly ruining the name of India, because we feed the poor, and we do not agree with their bogus idea that India's saints are drug addicted child molesters? 

And no wonder no one is uniting under yours of his program, neither you and he have advanced your idea how to unite thousands of people. In fact we have no idea what is yours or Rocana's actual plan to unite the devotees? And how many folks have you united so far? So we are doing the job, we are uniting people and re-establishing Srila Prabhupada's worship and thus there is Prabhupadanuga preaching going on all over the world, and you are not happy with that? Do you want us to worship Rocana's non-existing phantasm live guru, who does not even exist? What is your actual plan to unite folks? So we are re-starting the sam-kirtana, everyone is joining together with us to worship the acharya, sam-kirtana.] *** This doesn't only mean physical or racial togetherness but first of all spiritual unity. Now, many argue, unity in diversity, there are different moods among liberated souls also. However, when preaching in this age of Kali-yuga to very degraded human beings, it is completely counterproductive and wrong, to signal to the karmi world, hey folks, look here, we are fighting the same as you do, kanistha-like religious fanatism. In Europe the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution now put Vaishnavism on the black list of those radical terror groups like al-Qa'ida, Taliban, Hamas, Hizbul Mujahideen, Islamic Jihad Union, Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, Communist Party of India (Maoist), Tamil Tigers, who spread radical elements, breeding ground/hotbed of terror/aggression, incitement of people, and unconstitutional content for western nations. [PADA: Right, the karmis have figured out that the GBC's worship of child molesters and criminals as messiahs is dangerous. Are you saying five years old children should be taught that God's messiahs are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, as is currently going on in the bogus ISKCON? Is this your plan to save the children of the world, make them worship a child molester guru lineage? Whether it is "legal" for us to oppose child molester messiah cults or not is of no real consequence, we are reporting factual history, we are not spouting legal jargon. That is what Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati says, "When our men become sahajiya, they will become more dangerous." Srila Prabhupada says: false gurus are the most dangerous elements in human society, so the karmis are simply agreeing with the acharyas, the hijacked Krishna movement is a dangerous deviation. The karmis are validating the statements of the acharyas. When the devotees under Bhagavan did not remove the trash from the Paris temple, the French government came in with a crew of garbage men and they removed the piles of trash in the hallway, which was attracting rats. Srila Prabhupada said at the time, just see, if we do not take out our own trash, the government will have to take it out for us. So yes, the government is having to address these bogus gurus because the devotees (like yourself) let the bogus guru trash pile get up to the roof. That means: people like you and Rocana did not help us expose this trash pile over the years, you were not able to significantly address the issue, and so the issue built up to the point the government, police, media and karmis took notice. Your party failed. Agreed.] *** All this triggered by so called prabhupadanuga websites which publically spread to the world inflammatory, riotous content like, harekrsna.org:"Bhagavan das, alias (Bill) William Ehrlichman Iskcons NAZI-style pseudo guro, most vicious, unscrupulous calculating criminal" and, "unbelievable but true: the greatest child molester abusing and raping children, paedophile, and homosex-guru Bhavananda (Charles Bacis) is back in Iskcon". [PADA: Some of the children who had been molested in the GBC's "guru-schools" told me that the mass starving, things like being fed rotten moldy food, as well as the mass beating, molesting and deaths from medical neglect and so on, was like "Auschwitz for children." That means you have never consulted with the victims of the "Auschwitz for children" program, you are a holocaust deny-er. Some of these children told me the ISKCON leaders are actually worse than the Nazis since their death camps were never advertised as "wonderful spiritual vaikunthas for children." In any case, we had to confront these deviants and risk our lives in the process, so for us devotees who opposed the child molester messiah's program, we are fighting dangerous deviants and had to go public since we cannot confront them in their ashrarams, and get beaten with baseball bats on the head. We still get death threats from ISKCON idiots and even sometimes the Sridhara Maharaja deviants, so our only recourse is to expose them publicly -- so if they assassinate us, they will reap the wrath of the police. And this policy of ours works quite well, it keeps them on their leash and stops them from assassinating us.]

*** Any serious journalist of the New York Times first of all asks this simple question, were such criminals ever put before a court of justice, is there a sentential court decision, criminal conviction, where actually is the court decision? There is none! 

[PADA: Sri Isopanisad says that bogus gurus might escape from the laws of the karmi courts, but they will never escape the laws of God. The karmis allow abortions, animal factory farms, homosexual priests, and even drug addict sex fiends to pose as messiahs and so on, is this your standard of acceptable behavior? Why do we need the karmi courts to establish what is and what is not an acharya? Jayadvaita swami (Jay Israel) says that in ISKCON the gurus can be found engaged in illicit sex with men, women and possibly children as well. We do not need a high court admission here, since they already admit their messiahs are illicit sex fiends who behave worse than dogs. They have had to censure their gurus for criminal actions, its in their documents. In sum, the GBC itself says their messiahs are worse than dogs, we do not need a court, they already admit we are right.] *** How someone can write on a public forum for all karmis to read, harekrsna.org, "Bhagavan das, alias (Bill) William Ehrlichman Iskcons NAZI-style pseudo guro most vicious, unscrupulous calculating criminal" and, "unbelievable but true: the greatest child molester abusing and raping children, paedophile, and homosex-guru Bhavananda (Charles Bacis) is back in Iskcon"? And there is no court decision, no criminal conviction, nothing, zero?

*** This is not exactly what Prabhupada taught - was Prabhupada preaching like this? [PADA: Srila Prabhupada says we have to worship the bona fide gurus and messiahs and we have to expose false gurus and messiahs. We are doing exactly that.] *** Please show me any example Prabhupada preaching like this. Jagadbandhu das, see below, is saying, "actually I consider myself an active participant/member of either ISKCON or Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Matha. In other words, people recognize the total confusion of the Vaishnava institutions' management trying to write them letters of advice how to proceed. Jagabandhu das: "I also learned from Srila Prabhupada to take good guidance from everywhere within God's creation." [PADA: Well this is the trouble, ISKCON has become a hodge podge of bogus Gaudiya Matha gurus, academia, secularism, bogus forms of Hinduism, homosexual marriage gurus like Howard Resnick, new age babble etc. Anyway, it is also true that we can learn from others in God's creation. For example, pigs do not "engage in illicit sex with men, women and children," but the messiahs promoted by the BR Sridhara Maharaha, BV Narayana Maharaja, the BP and BV Puri maharaja twins, the bogus GBC, the bogus Gaudiya Matha et al, ... their messiahs cannot even come up to the elevated status of pig's behavior. So when the pig is more elevated than their messiahs, that means these assembled deviants are not even as intelligent as pigs since pigs do not worship illicit sex as their messiahs. When the pig's behavior is more elvated than these assembled fools messiahs' behaviors, this is a nice lesson from God and His creation.]

Reminds of Homer Simpson when he has a heart attack and turns to Dr. Riviera for his triple bypass. During operation, Homer's daughter, 10 year old Lisa Simpson, trying to instruct the "heart specialist" what to do next, because Dr. Riviera suffers from severe memory gaps.

ys Gaurakishor das

[PADA: You seem to be suffering from Advanced Denial Dementia Disorder (ADDD). We have not provided people with legal advice, we are historians. We have provided people with the history of the bogus ISKCON messiahs. And if what we say is all lies and character assassination, as Rocana seems to be telling some folks, then why has no one ever sued us? "Legal" works both ways, you say we have not sued them, that is a lie, we won a $400 m lawsuit against them. You seem to forget, they cannot sue us at all. That is because we are giving a factual account of their history. Anyway, we are glad you finally noticed that there is some smell coming out from under the carpet after your types have been sweeping all our history under the carpet for all these years. Wake up and smell the manure! By the way, Sulochana used to joke that the ISKCON mushrooms are not advanced enough to worship a bucket of dog stools, since dogs stools will not kill the devotees and molest the children -- but what they worship does cause death and harm, so these mushrooms have to wait many lives before they can worship a dog stool. Funny, but is it true? thanks ys pd

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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:28 AM, gaurakishor@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Prabhus,
PAMHO AGTSP!

Fact is, as soon things get concrete, remove the Ritvikism ban within ISKCON, the US Prabhupadanugas hole up, quiet as church mice, especially PADA.

I wrote this to Puranjana already ten years ago, at this point there were hundreds of devotees who hesitated to join GM after being kicked out of ISKCON..

All those devotees would have immediately signed a petition for such a referendum.
Instead, Puranjana coming up with his anti-Prabhupada self-administered justice policy, harekrsna.org: murderers, pedophiles, criminals, perverts, homosexuals, child abusers, poisoners.

Prabhupada mentioned, Vasudeva, "Ananta Vasudeva, disobeyed your final instructions to keep the mission united, and thereby created a scandalous fiasco."
Why Prabhupada mentioned him, because it was all on records, not Prabhupada's own shooting forward.

Prabhupada did not behave like a rascal, anouncing in public, such and such is a criminal murderer and there is no court decision. Prabhupada taught to act according civil right, criminal right, of your country. He never would, like PADA is doing in each and every writing, indulge in prejudge.

Now, it is not possible that Puranjana is not conscious about this effect of illegally playing the judge. In fact, all the US Prabhupadanugas, including Urdhvaga, cannot possibly be so uneducated to not know, that self-administered justice policy in our constitutional state system, makes you look like a dumbass weirdo.

So, in sum I expect more resolute participation, not that, yes, yes, you write something, go ahead, beware of the grammar. My impression so far is, the US prabhupadanugas actually like it how it is right now, have settled up their own situation, are well off.

But sometimes feel an unexplicable urge to open the window: "Kill the GBC, kill the gurus". Then go back and turn on the tv. Are still enchanted by the features of www instead of using it to make ISKCON, Prabhupada centered.

Or do I have forgotten something?

Your servant
Gaurakishor das

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From: Pratyatosa Dasa ACBSP
Date: Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 3:21 AM
Subject: Is It OK to Demand Help with Our Service to Srila Prabhupada?

I have a proven track record of getting things done. How would you like it if I criticized you for not helping me with my service? How would you like it if I told you that if you didn’t help me with my service to Srila Prabhupada, you would lose your posting privileges or be banned?

What is your track record? You showed a lack of Prabhupadanuga family loyalty by criticizing Purañjana Prabhu in public on the Sampradaya Sun. Is that your only accomplishment? As far as I’m concerned, if Purañjana gives the word, you are banned from this forum! I think an apology is in order.

For now, you are back to being moderated.
Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa, Moderator

2009/7/28 Pratyatosa Dasa ACBSP
Please read my post again, don't go so speadily. This is not a money consuming court case, it is free of charge, why you call it, "pie-in-the-sky fantasy"? Please answer this question, did Prabhupada indulge in prejudge, yes or no?

Yes, Prabhupada is the actual preacher, we simply have to put Prabhupada in the center. Well spoken!

2009/7/29 Pratyatosa Dasa ACBSP

It’s easy for someone who does nothing but talk to criticize others. Where is your website, Prabhu? Where are your preaching videos on YouTube? What about your preaching via MySpace and Facebook?

Purañjana Prabhu’s website has a Google Page Rank of 3 (http://www.thepagerank.net/website/harekrsna.org), same as Rocana’s site (http://www.thepagerank.net/website/harekrsna.com). Prabhupadanugas.eu only has a Google Page Rank of 2. Judge by the result!

Like I told another devotee (Praghosa Prabhu) who is all talk and no action: “First create a website with a Google Page Rank of 3 like Purañjana Prabhu did. Then you’ll have something to crow about!” Start a lawsuit? It’s all just talk! Why should we waste our time on your pie-in-the-sky fantasy?

Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa