ISKCON HISTORY - detailed account 
part 3  

History 1986.1 (ref: 1986.1, 06. Apr. 2000)

As 1986 started the GBC's gurus were under fire from a variety of sources. Ramesvara was alleged to be dating a minor aged female student and this was causing friction in Los Angeles. Bhagavan was under scrutiny in Europe for allegedly spending time on the French Riviera. Bhavananda was under investigation for homosexuality. And of course Kirtanananda was facing a stiff expose from Sulochana. Meanwhile, although it was not a major problem, my presence in Berkeley was duly noted as a source of aggravation for the GBC's hard core big gurus. And there were many other troubles.

The fact that Kirtanananda was going to embrace Hansadutta and welcome him into his zone was not a cause of joy for the GBC camp either. Here were two volatile mavericks joining together, perhaps, to plot some schemes against the other GBC gurus. And it was well known at that time that neither of them cared a fig for the other GBC's authority. Indeed, neither of them care for GBC's directives even up to the present time. Meanwhile, the fifty man committee was pushing to get voted in as the next wave of mini-Prabhupadas and they were causing a lot of friction. So there was a lot of pressure to get many of these things resolved at the 1986 Mayapura meeting.

I met with Vipramukhya swami at the then San Francisco temple near Golden Gate Park and he assured me that this year at Mayapura they were going to finally put a lid on the GBC's guru "Bhavananda," and finally take firm action on his homosexuality problem. Vipramukhya told me he was part of the official GBC "investigation team" that had found that Bhavananda was indeed going to gay bars and so on and so forth. This was going to be presented to the GBC and tough action against Bhavananda was expected. I told Vipramukhya that having homosexuals worshipped as Srila Prabhupada's successors was so disgusting I had no idea it would ever come to this state, and I was hoping it would be fixed and soon.

I said that in my experience as a Bay Area taxi-cab driver, driving all over the city of San Francisco, I had picked up many homosexual patrons, and none of them thought that they should worship another homosexual as if he was like Jesus? Even they had some higher standards than the GBC it seemed? I had even picked up one homosexual man who was constantly kissing his huge dog, but he had spoken respectfully about Jesus. Why couldn't the GBC do the same?

The January 1986 "Back To Godhead" magazine contained the article "A Tribute To A Pure Devotee" which glorified Kirtanananda's "pipe on the head attack" as something similar to the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. The article said that Kirtanananda was attacked just like Jesus Christ, Haridasa Thakura and Prahlad had been. For me and Sulochana this article looked like a method of getting us attacked, perhaps even killed. We were both saying that Kirtanananda is a homosexual, he is a deviant, and he is certainly not a guru.

Meanwhile, the GBC was saying: here is a person like Jesus? That was easily interpreted as: me and Sulochana are envious blasphemers of Jesus, or someone equal to Jesus? Sulochana said, "Puranjana, did you see this? This article by Satsvarupa, it paints a big bull's eye target on my back. He is making it look like I am criticizing Jesus, Haridasa Thakura and Prahlad." So we discussed this and began to call this article, "Our Death Certificate." It was the GBC's way of fanning fanatical action against us, and it could be severe.

Satsvarupa had also wrote in his public "Journals" that someone (we all know it was Sulochana) was "a poison pen who was attacking ISKCON" and so on. So the GBC rhetoric against us at this time was getting more venemous, strident and public. "You know those guys Sulochana and Puranjana, well did you hear the news, they hate Kirtanananda, and he is like Jesus"? Of course in reality, Kirtanananda was molesting boys in his motorhome at this point in time. I reminded Sulochana that Satsvarupa is the main liar who had masterminded the bogus guru appointment, so he might get desperate and write even worse things.

Clearly, the homosexual guru worshipping party was aligning to check our idea that Srila Prabhupada should be worshipped instead. Whether it was Kirtanananda, Hansadutta, Satsvarupa, the fifty man committee, or even the so-called local San Francisco area self advertised "moderates," many disliked our idea and many of them all ended up directly or indirectly in support of, or at least compromised with, with the worship of homosexuals as "the pure devotee guru sucessors to God Almighty. Krishna." Yet when I tried to point out the defects of Satsvarupa's article to some of my "moderate" brothers, they said "Oh, you are not going to blaspheme Satsvarupa again are you"? Satvarupa was sort of a sacred cow at this point, even though everyone knew he was supporting the homosexual guru sabha. Not many people cared for the truth, it was "which political party do you support"?

And moreover now they are openly saying that these homosexual pedophiles are "people like Jesus"? I thought, "I have never seen such an assemblage of absolutely deviant, sick, perverts in my entire existence. I have never even read or heard about such people who were vastly worse than the Satanists? They will militantly force teeny innocent children to worship homosexual pedophiles as good as God? So it is a great honor for me to be fighting against them." On some spontaneous fun, I had my Tarot card reading done while walking down the weekly street fair in Berkely. The woman said, "Very unusual, you are a lone knight in the center. The death card is very near the center."

Meanwhile, a female devotee (GD) arrived in Berkeley from Texas. She immediately began to tell me her tales of woe in dealing with Tamal in Dallas. It seems that her two boys were molested at the Oklahoma farm run by Tamal, yet Tamal did not help her curb that problem. Instead, he got very angry at her. Eventually, she was so disgusted and also worried for the welfare of her boys that she gave Tamal an ultimatum to help her out. Instead, Tamal kicked her and her boys out on the street and he ordered his followers "don't give her a penny" after she had given Tamal hundreds of thousands of dollars. I advised her to get a good lawyer and sue Tamal for damages, which she did. Tamal was alleged to have had a nervous breakdown from her case. She won the case, and it shows that if more people had her kind of courage, the molestation problem could have been reigned in more substantially by external means, since there does not seem to be much of an internal checks and balances.

Just before the 1986 Mayapura meeting, I visited the then GBC Atreya Rsi to see what he felt about the upcoming meeting. Atreya was more inclined to help the fifty man committe who wanted to get voted in as the next wave of gurus, while he viewed me and Sulochana as extremists. "It is not black and white," he was fond of telling me. Of course I would then argue, "OK, tell me one white thing about worshipping homosexuals"? Atreya's other devotee associates felt the same way. They would say, "Oh, oh, here he comes, it is Puranjana, the homosexual guru fighter. Hey, hey, hey." They did not think this was a serious problem.

I also felt that Atreya made a mistake going to visit Kirtanananda after his pipe attack. We should not support or show solidarity with these homosexual gurus, that was always my point. On the topic of Bhavananda, Atreya agreed there was no room to compromise. He had to go. "One thing I always notice," said Atreya looking very stern, "as soon as we (GBC) go after Bhavananda, Tamal steps in and protects him. Well that is not going to happen this time! Bhavananda is out! And if Tamal stands up to protect him (and then Atreya made a gesture like he was pulling two six guns out of holsters on his hips) then he gets it! Bang, bang, bang"! I said, "If they keep Bhavananda in as Srila Prabhupada's successor guru, you have to resign Atreya. Let us make this place independent. No homosexual worship pooja." Anyway, there was a lot of jockeying for position, all kinds of cross purpose agendas, a lot of anger, resentment, attachment, lamentation, and general chaos in the mood of the upcoming March, 1986 Mayapura meeting. The cult meltdown was happening and they did not even know it.

Of course, I thought the whole Mayapura program this year was going to be a big waste of time and money. They were not going to address the original deviation, that Srila Prabhupada had never ordered folks like Kirtanananda, Bhavananda, Tamal and similar others, to be worshipped as "Krishna's pure devotee successors." To be Krishna's successor is not some joke that can be undertaken by a person who is barely able to withdraw from being a disciple of Andy Warhol and Timothy Leary. So the whole meeting had to me the mood of re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Useless.

It did not take us long to find out that at the GBC meeting they had re-instated Bhavananda as a full-fledged guru. He was being worshipped as "Vishnupada": "one whose feet are as pure as God's." This proved they were either atheists or incredible perverts. A sexual attacker of children is equal to God? And they knew he was a homosexual, they had reports that he is a homosexual, and then they re-instated him knowingly --to be worshipped as good as God? Vishnu's padas? And Prithu, Bir Krishna, Ravindra swarupa and others were also voted in as God's successors at the same meeting? And wasn't Bhavananda bringing in many other homosexuals into posts of authority in ISKCON? And weren't some of them taking up post as teachers of small boys? And wasn't this an alarming trend? Nope. We just want to be voted in as gurus, we don't care about our society's boys, or anyone else. We just see the other vultures having a feast eating Srila Prabhupada's body, ISKCON, and we are going to elbow our way into their party.

Once again it showed how desperate things had become. People were willing to compromise the truth in any way required so that they could swoop in and join the other vultures who were exploiting Srila Prabhupada's society and eating up his children alive by mass starving, beating and molestation. Here were people who were worse than any blood sucking zombie's movies you had seen, since they were doing their evil deeds in the name of "Vishnupada" whereas regular zombies at least have no connection to God or they openly serve Satan. So the whole mood was very greedy, very behind the scenes deal making and so on, with the molester's guru project emerging as saints. And the molester guru sabha was now joining forces with the so-called "reformers" to officially declare that sexual rapers of children are equal to God.

And no doubt a new "purge of doubters" was in the works. So me and Sulochana were now joking, "The zombies are coming"! Of course we also knew that those who compromised with this would get the karma of supporting the worship of known homosexuals as good as God. So we really did not care if we would be killed or not, we had been spared from the worst thing already, going along to get along with pervert worship, the worst thing one can do humanly possible.

And at the same time I felt that this was all for the best, this was the darkest hour of the movement and it could only start to improve from this point onwards. And this has proven to be correct. It is sort of like: an alcoholic has to reach rock bottom before he realizes he has to go back up. Of course, I also knew that this did not mean either me, Sulochana, or both of us, would be spared from potentially getting murdered. There was a mad cult frenzy of envious jockeying for new positions in the air, and it was going to take a while for it to subside.

At the time the GBC announced that they had reinstated Bhavananda, according to Makhanal, there was a sudden burst of high winds followed by black storm clouds. The wind picked up inside a hut where someone was cooking and the hut started on fire. The the dogs started barking, the cows were mooing forlornly. It was known that the reinstatement of a known homosexual to be worshipped by children was the most severe sin, and it was not approved of by the higher authorities. Yet everyone was just silent as the wind passed over, they knew it was a dark sign. Yet they were thinking about getting back to their zones to start their own worship so they overlooked the obvious.

Meanwhile, Kirtanananda's party was very dipleased by the whole spectrum of events. Kirtanananda was not going to become the next rising moon of ISKCON as they had planned. There were fresh new faces at the vulture's table. Sulochana was tearing Kirtanananda's reputation down. Puranjana was in Berkeley creating a storm over the whole homosexual guru issue. The new fifty man committe's gurus wanted to start invading the existing zones.

It was time for the empire to strike back. First they would kill Sulochana, and then shortly thereafter, Puranjana. That would be a good start to re-assert their power. Yes, this would be a wake up call for all sides to get off Kirtanananda's tail and to recognize who the real boss of ISKCON was. Besides, Kirtanananda was now strengthened with a new ally who had a host of criminals in his camp, Hansadutta. Now was the time to show the whole world who the real guru was, and besides the GBC had just said he was Jesus? Of course, nevermind that he was molesting boys in his motorhome.

History 1986.2 (ref: 1986.2, 09. Apr. 2000)

Would the other GBC and their new gurus help me and Sulochana? As for the "new wave of gurus," the wave that had been voted in at the 1986 Mayapura meeting, they had already voted to excommunicate Sulochana in 1985. In other words, the new self advertised "reformed" gurus were much more inclined to support the Kirtanananda and Hansadutta alliance than Sulochana. The new wave of "gurus" also wanted to distance themselves from Sulochana's anti-homosexual guru stance, since they had been "certified as guru" at the recoronation of a known homosexual guru in March, 1986. The whole idea was to make it appear that Sulochana, or anyone else, who objected to the worship of homosexuals "as good as God" was an isolated crank, a nut-case, an extremist, an offender, if not: a blasphemer against "God's living spokesmen gurus."

It was just too quiet after the March meeting? There had been a lot of shouting matches, screaming matches, threats of resignation from various GBC, and so on and so forth, but just after the meeting it was all of a sudden silent. I thought, "This is not a good sign. They must be plotting something." They were. As we found out later, two men claiming to represent "the New Vridavana heirarchy" had tried to get a devotee named Vipra (Vassilievich) to assassinate Sulochana. He refused, and in fact he had already been arrested for possession of a machine gun that had been found by police in Hansadutta's car in 1980. Vipra told me that the machine gun was not his, he had "taken the rap" for Hansadutta. So we can also see how the "Kirtanananda and Hansadutta alliance" was already working in early 1986. Kirtanananda's "heirarchy" needed a "hit man" and so they approached one of Hansadutta's men.

We also heard a rumor that the people who had "voted" to reinstate the known homosexual guru at the March, 1986 meeting were Hrdayananada, Jayapataka, Harikesha and in sum, "the orignal 1977 corrupt core." So, the "reform" had not changed those who were still sitting in the driver's seat of ISKCON. Around this time a devotee came up to me and said, "No one is minding the store, otherwise why would all of this be going on"? I said, "Wrong! The store is not only being minded, it is being militantly run with an iron dictator's fist. Nothing happens without the approval of the original eleven core. They are running things exactly as they want them to be run. And the new wave of gurus are just their puppet government."

Sulochana himself had finally decided that fighting the corrupt group of eleven with their twenty "new and reformed" guru allies was just over his head. He called me and said that he had a new girlfriend. His plan was to marry her, get a stable residence, and then attack New Vridnavana with a custody lawsuit so that he could have access to his children. He was going to back-pedal his direct assault approach. I told him that this could be real dangerous. If they thought he had become an anonymous person who was slipping through the cracks, then they might attack him thinking no one would notice.

Sulochana then came to visit me in Berkeley. We talked as usual but as he was getting ready to leave he said, "I have the sudden feeling that I am not going to ever see you again Puranjana." I said, "I have the same feeling. Something is up. You could be in big trouble. Please do not go to Los Angeles, we have a lot of sympathy here, and the police like us here in Berkeley. Do not go back to Los Angeles, this is dangerous." Sulochana said, "No, it is better if we split up. That way if they get one of us, the survivor can help the police and the FBI." He also said that he was not going to live "on the run" and "if they want to kill me, they will kill me anywhere I go. It does not matter if I am here or there." We put our arms on each other's shoulders and said good-bye. A few days later, I was informed by a Berkeley devotee, "Sulochana was assassinated, his body was found in his van, it was full of bullets." I was shocked, saddened, but not really too surprised. I also knew that I was next on their list.

The day after the murder a devotee named Uvati dasi went to the Los Angeles police and reported to them that Sulochana had been murdered by a New Vrindavana devotee named Tirtha (Thomas Drescher) according to her sources within the New Vrindavana community. The West Virginia police picked him up within days. A New Vrindavana neighbor named Randal Gorby was then suspected of "snitching to the police." A few days after Tirtha was arrested, Randal Gorby's house blew up and he sustained severe burns over much of his body. He survived but had to undergo many painful skin-graft surgeries and so on. Seems that someone had screwed the valve out of a natural gas fixture, causing gas to leak into his house. When Randal had tried to light up a cigarette, the house blew up. The police were unable to determine who had tampered with the valve.

Shortly after that, officer Joe Sanchez came to meet me at the Berkeley temple. He said that the FBI had discovered that Tirtha was planning to assassinate me next. "You are next on their list, they found a note in Tirtha's pocket with a description of your truck. They are doing surveillance on you...," he said. He wanted me to move away, under a witness protection program perhaps, but I told him that this would be too complicated since the Krishna devotees find out where other Krishna devotees are ...real soon. So I had to call Joe Sanchez every day at a random time so he could check on my welfare. Meanwhile, three "goons" came from New Vrindavana to beat me up. They were chasing me down the street when officer Joe Sanchez came screeching around the corner in his patrol car with the lights on and the siren blaring. He got out and placed handcuffs on all three. One of them was Hansadutta's goon by the way. And he told them all to go back to West Vriginia and stay out of Berkeley.

As it turns out, Kirtanananda's people were worried about "pulling off a murder" on their own. So they apparently enlisted the help of the then "guru" for Los Angeles, Ramesvara swami. Two of Ramesvara's ex-defense forces members subsequently admitted to me that Ramesvara was very interested in taking Sulochana out of the picture. Evidence of this conspiracy also surfaced in the subsequent "murder of Sulochana" trial held in Orange County in Southern California. Of course they apparently tried to get Hansadutta to help as well, and perhaps that is why they were able to detect one of his men named Vipra who was living in San Francisco at the time. Meanwhile Satsvarupa was helping by writing inflamed rhetoric against us, and the rest of the GBC was helping by circulating Satvarupa's writings.

One of the ex-defense men from Los Angeles told me that Ramesvara had said "Sulochana needs to get a new body," and another said that he was called in to more or less help direct the final "hit." Apparently, in a court hearing held in Orange county regarding the murder of Sulochana two of Ramesvara's defense forces men admitted they were at the scene of the murder, but they claimed that they were not the shooters.

History 1986.3 (ref: 1986.3, 10. Apr. 2000)

RAMESVARA A SUSPECT

Some devotees suspected that "the pure as Jesus guru," Ramesvara, was involved in the murder of Sulochana for a number of reasons. The main reason was that he had a lot to hide. For example, he was dating a young, actually minor-aged girl named Rukmini. He would go to the Santa Monica high school and pick her up after school for "dates." He was alleged to be taking her to the cinema, Italian restaurants, the mall, and so on, for these "dates."

A devotee named Vadiraja also noted that while he was waiting for three hours to talk to Ramesvara, all of the temple's young girls were going in and out of his office to speak with "their guru." He said that Ramesvara had a .45 caliber gun right next to his seat, hidden from view, but that Vadiraja had seen it once when Ramesvara was off guard. Why would a guru keep a gun right next to him in his office? Ramesvara was also allegedly participating in the local gym club's "aerobic dance class" in the morning, mostly filled with young ladies dressed in skin-hugging exercise tights. Some devotees joked that this was his morning "jiggling meditation."

For his "dating a young girl" Ramesvara had apparently become a de facto pedophile, and he was compared to Kirtanananda. Ramesvara had also allegedly been taking money from the sales of drugs and drug related items, which he did not want to have investigated as Sulochana wanted to. Ramesvara was living like a millionaire business executive which means he was actually siphoning off the society's funds for himself. In other word, Ramesvara had a lot to hide and he was not pleased with the expose style of Sulochana. If Kirtanananda was exposed, there might be a domino effect, more gurus could be investigated. Even Hansadutta's siphoning the society's funds for his extravaganzas could be investigated, and that is why he backed Kirtanananda. So, they all had something to hide, and therefore Sulochana was their common enemy.

Exactly like Hansadutta, Kirtanananda, Jayapataka, Harikesha and others, Ramesvara also had a crew of mean looking, violent "enforcers." His "enforcers" would "patrol" the Los Angeles temple neighborhood where they were brow-beating, harassing, intimidating, threatening, if not beating dissenters. He simply could not let one of these dissenters "get away with" as much as Sulochana was. Perhaps the other dissenters would get more bold if Sulochana was not checked?

Ramesvara's thugs would do things like --go to a "dissenter's" door in the middle of the night to pound on it with aluminum baseball bats, to scare dissenters into "absolute submission to the guru." Even teeny babies and small children were terrorized by this tactic. Yet, who cared as long as the guru was able to continue dating his young female student? "The purity must be preserved at all costs"! There were a host of other diabolical tactics that Ramesvara's violent thugs used to keep dissenters in line such as slashing the tires on their cars, placing sugar in their gas tanks, breaking the windows on their cars, and just creating a violent, malevolent, malefic, death threatening atmosphere around the temples to keep the "doubters" in check.

A couple of Ramesvara's men had huge muscles and tattoos, and they looked like they had just got out of San Quentin prison. I recall that later, in 1998, one of these same muscle bound tattoo thugs came up and yelled at me for playing a harmonium in the temple, but by this time their spell had been more or less broken. One little devotee came up and chased away the muscle man with a broom. Being so much exasperated at the humiliation, he left the community. So their powers are dwindling now, but in 1986, they were at their peak.

Of course, by encouraging these criminal moods and actions, this naturally attracted a class of violent, perverse, if not demented criminals who enjoyed indulging in these odious behaviors. To sum, good people were being scared away and bad people were being welcomed and then given "posts of authority" such as "temple commander, temple enforcer" and so on. Therefore, in addition to criminal thug types, a wave of homosexuals; child molesters; women beaters and abusers; psychotic, mentally disturbed types; and similar other low-life characters began to emerge as a more prominent class amongst "Ramesvara's loyal devotees" and ISKCON members in general.

Even in 1998 the remnants of Ramesvara's temple thugs slashed all of the tires and broke out the windows of a "dissenter's" car as I personally witnessed. In sum, there is still, to this day (the year 2000) a constant patrol of violent looking, angry, sneering, scowling, vulture staring "enforcers" in the front of the Los Angeles temple, since Ramesvara's trained-up remnant clones are still in charge there today. When I would come out on the street they would do "the coyote walk" around me. That means three or four of them would start to circle me in a menacing way. Even the Los Angeles police picked up on this. They saw me on my bike one day and said, "Hey you, get around the corner. Get out of here! Can't you see that these people want to clobber you? We are going to watch until you are around the corner."

Anyway, in 1986 Ramesvara had a vested interest in keeping dissenters under control. Another reason he had to help check Sulochana is that he had to be loyal to the other violent thugs, perverts and molesters posing as gurus. If he did not help them curb Sulochana, they might not help him cover up his "dating of Rukmini" problem. The deviant "gurus" had to stick together. They were under attack, and thus even bringing Hansadutta back in some capacity, reinstating the pedophile Bhavananda, and whatever else it took, was acceptable. The crooks had to show solidarity now. The homosexual pedophile guru brotherhood had to show the world that they were still in charge.

NEW VRINDAVANA'S FIRST POLICE RAID

Yet things kept collapsing, although they were too blind to see it. The West Virginia police finally came to the conclusion that there may be "bodies buried in the hills of New Vrindavana," as had been rumored for years. They were also investigating a previous murder that had been allegedly commited by Tirtha. So the West Virginia police came to New Vridavana with a back-hoe tractor to start, well, digging for bodies. They found some. At one point when they were digging, a group of "devotee vehicles" went by and the police allegedly "shit their pants" thinking, oh my God, they are coming after us --to maybe kill us-- and we are out numbered.

In sum, the fact that the GBC's "living gurus" were not gurus but leaders of a very violent and dangerous cult was apparent to almost everyone, except the people inside the cult. Sulochana had also told me that while living in New Vrindavana he had heard that some devotees had been killed dismembered, and their body parts had been put through a meat grinder, and the pieces fed to dogs. If that was the case, the police would not find as many bodies as there might actually be. After some buried bodies were found the police investigations continued. Yet Kirtanananda kept living in his cottage with little boys jumping in and out the windows and the community did not think anything was too much amiss.

As a show of solidarity with Kirtanananda, Umapati started a program of carrying Kirtanananda around the temple property in a palanquin, while he was dressed in glistening silks, with a golden crown. Then, there were the ever present boys to massage the swami. Meanwhile, some of the rank-and-file devotees outside New Vrindavana were gradually getting more and more disgusted that Kirtanananda was always accompanied by two large German shepherd dogs. I found it ironic that some of these devotees did not seem to show much emotion or concern for Sulochana's fate, but they were reacting with a lot of anger and concern over reports that "Kirtanananda's dogs are licking the offering plates." Nor did these same devotees seem to care much that Kirtanananda was covered with the hands of little boys? They seemed to be more worried about some foolish dogs than devotees or even small children?

SULOCHANA'S SON DROWNS

Sulochana had said that his children were not safe at New Vrindavana. This was proven to be fully correct when one of his boys was found floating face down in a pond at New Vrindavana months after Sulochana was murdered. The police said there was no evidence of foul play, but how the child got there was not clear. Kirtanananda later said, "The boy is from a bad seed." This caused a of people, especially Sulochana's father, to feel a lot of disgust towards Kirtanananda's insensitivity. Meanwhile, some of us could not but help think there may have been foul play.

JANE WALLACE INTERVIEW

Around this time I was contacted by a representative of the CBS television news broadcast called "West 57th Street." This show was basically another version of the top rated "60 Minutes" show. When I met Jane Wallace she seemed like the very intelligent and resourceful type, and no wonder since she takes after her father, Mike Wallace, a top reporter for CBS news. She said that before she talked to me she wanted to show me filmed footage from New Vrindavana. There was Kirtanananda, covered, or really smothered, by the hands of little boys who were all massaging him simultaneously while he sat in his sacred (?) seat. Jane asked me rather bluntly, "He's a homosexual, am I right"? I replied, "Yes, Kirtanananada is a homosexual. He keeps a lot of these boys in his cottage, and he has one boy riding on his lap all day long in his Jeep. There has been a story circulating for years that he has one of these boys in his sleeping bag at night. He likes little boys..."

Jane then said, "Thank God, I am so glad that I met you. All the other 'Krishna's' that I've met so far kept telling me that Kirtanananda is a pure devotee, and he is their guru. It seems like the whole purpose of your movement is to worship homosexuals? So it is good to hear that this is not what the movement was supposed to be about. And I can say this much, that if some homosexual sat himself in some big chair in the front of my Church, the way this one is sitting in your Church, I would go up there myself and personally pull that man off of that chair. And I would not care what happened to me, I would never tolerate this for two seconds in my Church. Why are your people allowing this"?

So I had to explain how many of the devotees were divided. (1) One group has been brainwashed into worshipping homosexuals, because the leaders encourage and enforce that. Jane, perhaps you can see now that people who disagree might die? (2) Another sector has left and they just do not care. Many of them are smoking pot and so on. (3) Another sector call themselves the moderates of the movement, maybe they do not smoke pot, but they always criticize us for attacking Kirtanananda. Basically, they are more aligned with the homosexual's worship than with us. (4) Another sector has ran off to join the founder of yet another homosexual deviant cult from 1936. (5) Most of the rest do not even want to discuss the issue, period. And we call this "silence means acceptance." Sulochana's printing of Prabhupada's letters prove that many of the old timers in the movement knew all about Kirtanananda's being a renegade snake in the grass all along, yet they are the most silent of all? Frankly, they are compromised too.

She wanted me to sum it up, "OK, how many people can you name who are helping you directly in opposing these fellows"? I said, "I only know of a few, maybe not even five." Jane said, "That is what I thought. When we ask your people to speak up, few of them will. They are compromised with the homosexual worshipping group?" I said, "Well, you got it, that about sums it up." She then asked, "Can you give me the names of other people who would be useful to interview about this"? I said, "Not right now." Her footage of Kirtanananda being massaged by a pack of boys was then viewed by 23 million people on CBS news and its affiliates in America, and then in various places all over the world.

continued on part 4