Isa Das wrote: NNV is a stool eating pig, actually he has become lower
then any animal, if you listen to him you will also meet your fate for those
who commit Vaishnava apradha. Srila Narayan is Srila Prabhupada's Sanyas God
brother. NNV (who can type so much trash is to lazy to type the divine Srila
Prabhupada gave him.)
Reply by NNV: ISA, I can understand that you are making money supporting and promoting Narayan Maharaja. There is no fault in that, as everyone has to make a living, even by doing work that he finds distasteful.
Yet, please consider that harm you are doing to the innocent population who may confuse Narayan Maharaja with the personality described below. Srila Prabhup[ada is an Uttama Adhikari, and the more you advertise second and third class pretenders,such as NM, the more polluted the ether becomes.
There is nothing wrong with Narayan Maharaja. As a simple brahmachari, or even sanyassi, we would be delighted to offer him respects. It is the simple fact that NM wishes to take on disciples that his guru maharaja forbade him to do, and that he is clearly pretending to be on a platform of advancement that is way beyond him is the area in which the Vaishnava Community finds a problem.......From "nice little sanyasi with a cute beard" he becomes a menace.........simply by his creating disturbance in the Vaishnava assembly by his pretense of intimate knowledge of Gopi Pastimes.
SP warned us of such Rasika Sahajiahs, but you, feeling safe from Srila Prabhupada's disapproving glance rush off to join that forbidden group of pretenders. SP lives in His instructions, and His instructions clearly warn you, me, and everyone from associating with deviators such as NM, Tirtha Maharaja, Bon Maharaja, or other Asara profiteers.
SB 2.9.35 P Answers by Citing the Lord' s Version
The vision of the devotees is not ordinary; it is purified by the process of devotional service. In other words, as the universal elements are both within and without, similarly the Lord's name, form, quality, pastimes, entourage, etc., as they are described in the revealed scriptures or as performed in the Vaikunthalokas, far, far beyond the material cosmic manifestation, are factually being televised in the heart of the devotee.
The man with a poor fund of knowledge cannot understand, although by material science one can see things far away by means of television.
Factually, the spiritually developed person is able to have the television of the kingdom of God always reflected within his heart. That is the mystery of knowledge of the Personality of Godhead.
THE ABOVE QUOTE DESCRIBES SP, AND NM CANNOT BE IMAGINED TO FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY.
THAT YOU HAVE REDUCED YOUR SELF AND WHAT PASSES FOR YOUR INTELLECT BY INDULGING "POTTY MOUTH" INDICATES THAT YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO ENTER INTO ADVANCED PHILOSOPHICAL DISCOURSE AT ALL.
IF NM WERE AN HONEST YOGI, HE WOULD REJECT YOU........BUT IT APPEARS THAT YOU ARE HIS "POTTY MOUTH" RIGHT HAND MAN! THAT TELLS US A GREAT DEAL ABOUT NM!
What I really want to know is why you can insult me and call me names and threaten me, but you cannot refute even one of the things that I have written?
Rather than calling me a "stool eating pig" why not reply point by point to the accusations that have made against nm? If they are true, then you not only owe me an apology, but should accept me as your "shiksha guru".
Your insulting words certainly imply disagreement with what I have written, but do not make any steps on your part to refute the truth of what i have written.
Give the "high road" a try for a change!.........you might find that blind following of the offenders against SP by the Gaudiya Matha and NM are hazardous to your health!
Give truth a try!
Srila Prabhupadas instruction to all of his disciples
Therefore we may not commit the same mistake in our ISKCON camp. Actually amongst my Godbrothers no one is qualified to become acarya. So it is better not to mix with my Godbrothers very intimately because instead of inspiring our students and disciples they may sometimes pollute them. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them. Srila Prabhupada, August 16, 1976, Bombay (Conversations with Srila Prabhupada, Vol. 26, p. 59-60)
Srila Prabhupada: "Why this Gaudiya Math failed? Because they tried to become more than guru. He [Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura], before passing away, he gave them all direction and never said that "This man should be the next acharya .." But these people, just after his passing away, they began to fight, who shall be acharya . That is the failure. They never thought, "Why Guru Maharaja gave us instruction so many things, why he did not say that this man should be acharya? " They wanted to create artificially somebody acharya, and everything failed. They did not consider even with common sense that if Guru Maharaja wanted to appoint somebody as acharya, why did he not say? He said so many things, and this point he missed? The real point? And they insist upon it. They declared some unfit person to become acharya . Then another man came, then another, acharya, another acharya . So better remain a foolish person perpetually to be directed by Guru Maharaja. That is perfection."
Srila Prabhupada: "I am practically seeing that as soon as they, our students, begin to learn a little Sanskrit, they immediately feel they have become more than their guru. Then the policy is to kill their guru and become guru themselves". "As soon as he learns that Guru Maharaj is dead, now I am so advanced I can kill guru and become guru. Then he is finished." (Srila Prabhupada 1976).
72-11-21.Letter: Niranjana
If you are serious to be an important assistant in our Society you should
fully engage yourself in translation work, AND DO NOT MIX YOURSELF WITH
MY SO-CALLED GOD-BROTHERS. AS THERE ARE IN VRINDABAN SOME RESIDENTS LIKE
MONKEYS AND HOGS, SIMILARLY THERE ARE MANY RASCALS IN THE NAME OF VAISNAVAS,
be careful of them. And do not dare to question imprudently before your Spiritual
Master. Further talks we may discuss when we meet.
74-06-08.Acy Letter: Acyutananda
SO THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY OF COOPERATION WITH THEM. RATHER YOU SHOULD
AVOID STRICTLY MEETING WITH THEM.
75-11-09. Letter: Visvakarma
Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated September
3, 1975 with the enclosed statement about Van Maharaja. So I have now issued
orders that all my disciples should avoid all of my godbrothers. THEY SHOULD
NOT HAVE ANY DEALINGS WITH THEM NOR EVEN CORRESPONDENCE, NOR SHOULD THEY GIVE
THEM ANY OF MY BOOKS OR SHOULD THEY PURCHASE ANY OF THEIR BOOKS, NEITHER
SHOULD YOU VISIT ANY OF THEIR TEMPLES. PLEASE AVOID THEM.
74-04-28. Letter: Rupanuga
THEREFORE WE MAY NOT COMMIT THE SAME MISTAKE IN OUR ISKCON CAMP. ACTUALLY
AMONGST MY GODBROTHERS NO ONE IS QUALIFIED TO BECOME ACARYA. SO IT IS BETTER
NOT TO MIX WITH MY GODBROTHERS VERY INTIMATELY BECAUSE INSTEAD OF INSPIRING
OUR STUDENTS AND DISCIPLES THEY MAY SOMETIMES POLLUTE THEM. This attempt was
made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and
Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on.
We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my
instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they
are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful
about them.
Narayana
Maharaja offending Srila Prabhupada
Dear Isa Prabhu,
please stop converting Prabhupada disciples into Narayana followers.
I am following Srila Prabhupadas instruction NOT to associate with his godbrothers.
In the ultimate issue, however, what matters is not so much what Srila Prabhupada
may or may not have written to Srila Narayana Maharaja in a personal letter,
but what Srila Prabhupada said to us, his disciples. And there is no record
of him ever instructing the members of ISKCON to take direction from Srila
Narayana Maharaja, other than to seek his advice concerning the details
of performing Srila Prabhupada's samadhi ceremony.
Srila prabhupada: We shall be very careful about them
and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all.
You are writing: "Be warned of your future births if you dare
make such Vaishnava apradha, what to speak of your fate in this life."
Yes I agree with you, you better tell your new guru Narayan Maharaja to
stop his offenses to Srila prabhupada, viz:
Narayana Maharaja: So
I want to say that your Prabhupada has given these things...only these things...and
not beyond these things. Then he was only the servant of Mahavisnu, not of
Krishna.
Bhakta George: In Sri Krsna-Sanhita Bhaktivinode
Thakur gives a listing of the types of devotees who are asslike.
Among those devotees are the servants of Vishnu so SNM is saying that Srila
Prabhupada is an asslike devotee. The fact of the matter is that SNM is
a liar when he says that he considers Srila Prabhupada to be his siska guru
and that he is envious of Srila Prabhupada.
Narayana Maharaja Murwillumbah, Australia: Feb. 18, 2002 (eve):
"Your Prabhupada, Srila Swami Maharaja, only changed the name into English.
He is not the founder-acarya of that eternal ISKCON... I am ISKCON.
I'm not different from ISKCON. I am 'Bhaktivedanta' [Srila Bhaktivedanta
Narayana Gosvami Maharaja]. Like father, like son. I
am the real successor of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja,
and there is no other.
You should know this very openly. I am Bhaktivedanta and he is Bhaktivedanta,
but he received this name after I did. I'm senior to him in this regard...
I'm Bhaktivedanta, and I'm also ISKCON. Don't think that I'm out of ISKCON."
Narayana Maharaja Mathura, October 24, 1999:
"We can glorify Swamiji, Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja. But those who are falling
down, how can they glorify him? They cannot glorify him, never; they are cutting.
They are establishing that he was the founder of ISKCON, but
I know that he was not founder,
he was one of the members of this in guru parampara. It was founded by Krishna,
and first acarya was Brahma, then Narada, then Vyasa. Only he has changed
the name and he has preached these things in Western countries."
Narayana Maharaja, Lecture given on September 19th, 1994:
"Those who are not rasika Vaisnavas, they don't know tattva, they have not
gone to association with any Vaisnava...they think that to preach whole world...the
name of Krishna...and to give Gita sandesha...is the whole thing. So I want
to say that your Prabhupada has given these things... So Swamiji has
at first cleared the atmosphere...Prepared the ground...by preaching name
and the sandesh of Gita...he prepared. So very important work. Without this,
without this, he could not have given these things. As Caitanya Mahaprabhu
first preached the whole world Krishna name, and he wanted all Vaisnavas to
understand His inner mood....Otherwise everyone cannot understand...so he
has done this task and it was so necessary for that world...for all world...he
has done but he has not done everything ...by that doing. It was only
basement...Foundation."
Narayana Maharaja on ISKCON leaders and devotees
Narayana Maharaja Salt Spring Island, B.C. Canada, May 2001 (Morning);
"Some of his (Srila Prabhupada's) sannyasis used to come to me, but where
are they now? They were forbidden to continue hearing (from me) and properly
understanding their gurudeva. If they will come again and serve their
gurudeva, then they have a chance-- otherwise not."
Now
this is enough. How more arrogant can some one be, as to say that I can understand
Srila Prabhupada only through Narayana Maharaja?
That is the same nonsense which my god brothers told me way back in the Mayapura
simultanious gurupuja of the 11 successor-acaryas, namely saying to us, that
we have no more relationship to Srila Prabhupada, other than through them,
because Prabhupada died.
Sri Vishnu - Sri Vishnu - Sri Vishnu
Urdhvaga das