Praghosa das - Patrick Hedemark (ACBSP)

 

Praghosa dasa (Patrick Hedemark) writes PADA
November 29. 2009

Prabhu, PAMHO AGTSP Hare Krsna

This kind of writing does not correctly identify the true problems, nor does it remotely approach true solution.
You are writing for your own entertainment only.
I am willing to communicate with anyone but I will not be used by you as a listener as you vomit your silly sexual fantasies which is all you are doing here.

Don't do it again.
Praghosa

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Dear Praghosa, Thanks, I can now quote you on our www.harekrsna.org web site, that when Jayadvaita's messiahs are mass molesting thousands of children, and engaging in "illicit sex with men, women and children," and defiling Krishna and the acharya status simultaneously, for you its all "entertainment" and "silliness"?

And you think the people who are placing sex with men, women and children need to re-write Prabhupada's books. That sums it all up pretty good, you are defending them. Thanks for your admission, we thought so! And now it is official, so we can post your letter below along with a photo of you on our site. Thats fine with me, I am just telling you now in case if you have anything further to add, otherwise your letter below gets posted on that site. thanks ys pd

 

Dumbass Praghosa das defends murderers like Radhanath as "True Believers"

 


 

Dear prabhus, Regarding books changes:

Srila Prabhupada says that bogus scholars are always trying to devalue the Vedas, for example we are just now reading about one Western scholar who says the Hindu literatures and the Vedas are simply readings about "provacative sex." And Jayadvaita says the same thing in a round about way, that "the tradition" of Hinduism, India's acharyas, the Vedic parampara, and Krishna's successors etc. is "illicit sex with men, women and children." And this is why the illicit sex messiah club of the GBC has hand selected such a "scholar" to re-write the books, they are trying to add "illicit sex with men, women and children" to "the tradition of acharyas."

In addition, Jayadvaita has covered up for the molester gurus all along, and his best pals are folks like Hrdayananada who is openly attacking Srila Prabhupada's purports, another fine scholar who agrees with their "tradition" of illicit sex acharya's prorgram. Jayadvaita swami by the way lied to me when he said that "not many" of his acharyas are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, since most of his "guru tradition" of 230 some odd gurus has fallen down, "not many" is thus not accurate. Most of them failed. So yes, those are trying to say the tradition of the guru parampara is illicit sex with men, women and children will always defend one another, as they are defending the public attacks on the purports of the acharyas, no wonder, the bona fide acharyas are not "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children," therefore, their purports are faulty. I am writing some Hindu life members right now and they are frankly appalled that ISKCON is saying "the tradition" of Krishna's guru successors is chock full of illicit sex with men, women and children, and that such thinkers are re-writing the books. thanks pd

 


 

PADA letter to Praghosa dasa
April 21. 2009

Dear Praghosa prabhu, Thanks for your recent letter and show of solidarity on the main issues such as the July 9th letter. I agree, had we ALL whole heartedly promoted simply this one document, a lot of mischeif could have been avoided. The problem is: most of these documents were hidden from the devotees and were not allowed to be circulated and discussed.

In fact, ISKCON gurus even recently told their devotees to "avoid the internet" because their flock has been finding our PADA web sites there. So these important documents have been even violently suppressed ... and those of us who brought these documents forward, we risked our life and limb doing so.

When I was initiated by Srila Prabhuapada with the name "Purajnana dasa," I asked him what it meant and he said "you will find out everything later." And later in 1974 when the story came out, it said after the spiritual master departs there will be chaos in the name of bogus swamis, yogis and so on. And the sincere devotees will have to rectify that. So I was fearful even in 1976 that after he departed I'd be involved in some sort of rectification, and that it could be very dangerous for me personally.

He was right, there was chaos. I asked all along, "Has anyone else got the name of Puranjana," well nope. So then I decided to get very much involved in the rectification, and at first was a lttle apprehensive, but then realized this was my destiny to expose the evil doers of ISKCON: This was a job given me direct by Srila Prabhupada. To be honest, I have subsequently had a life full of blissful fun, detective novel excitement, and a sort of mini-battle of Kurushetra with us fighting the bogus messiahs. I am a happy man, because Krishna has blessed me. I have no need for drugs and drink because Srila Prabhupada gave me a job that kept me out of these troubles, so getting this job was a blessing and not a curse as some seem to think.

For example, I had a big murder mystery to solve with Srila Prabhupada saying he was being poisoned. Big job for an amateur sleuth. I had to do all sorts of detective work to get Srila Prabhupada's documents out of guru's safes, tapes handed to me by people who wanted to be kept annonymous, and from here and there and everywhere (lots of thanks to Yasodananada for his helping supply documents), and get them assembled, and you will find all of them on our web sites.

Brahmananda said to me, "If they take you out, the FBI will crush them." So he understood the problems we dealt with. Dr. Stilson Judah said to me: They WILL kill you if they could, watch your back, his exact words! Dr. Judah thought I was "a dead man walking" because I was BRINGING out Srila Prabhupada's documents. So this has been part of my situation, some people think at any moment I am going to die, while some others are thinking I am a bwaaaa haaaa haaaa cry baby.

So we personally helped get many of these documents out there so that people like yourself could openly discuss this all -- later on. Whether I am personally faulty or not, a big issue for yourself apparently, really does not matter one iota. We saved many people from worship of bogus gurus and that is the important point. I could be a drug addict and a prostitute even. Who cares? Would not matter one bit! Because we helped get people to worship the pure devotee and that is all that matters. Period!

I first viewed "the letters" when Sulochana prabhu gave me a mircrofiche copy of them in 1985. Ramesvara then called the motel room where me and Sulochana were and he said we'd be "dead meat on the hook" if we did not return these microfiches. So we got these letters out, we liberated these documents, apparently some are now forgetting how people like Sulochana, Radha Krishna, myself and others had to literally risk death ... to get them out?

I also only heard the appointment tape when Sulochana gave me a copy in 1985. I had to get someone to break into Hansaduttta's safe to get a copy of the will, in 1985. Myself and Yasodanandana prabhu wrote papers (and he provided us with many documents as well) that were later on used by the so-called Mississipi ritviks, the Bangalore devotees, Kapindra swami, Krishna kanta and the IRM devotees, and the harekrsnasociety devotees, and many other brave souls who helped us make PADA websites and so on, and we formed the so-called Prabhupadanuga movement, and now there are thousands of people who worship Srila Prabhupada all over the world and the ball is now rolling very openly in favor of re-establishing his worship, based largely on the documents we liberated.

It is happening, so that is all that matters is it not? I am convinced that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned. So I stood out in front of the assembled devotees at the 1997 Rathayatra along with one very brave lady, and announced to the whole world that he had said he was being poisoned. I and the lady were assaulted. My own friends said I'd be dead within 24 hours after going out with that sign. Well, too bad, tens of thousands of devotees now agree with me on that issue too. A VNN survey in 1999 said that 10,000 devotees agreed with me on the poison case. So why should I hold a grudge? We got all these documents out there, my work is done. Whether I am personally a dog or a drunkard has no bearing on anything, we did the job.

Trivikrama told me once, "Puranjana, you are the barking junkyard dog of ISKCON," I told him I am glad to accept that title. So you seem to see me as some bitter, isolated grump. No, I get letters of thanks from all over the planet all the time and good questions from nice intelligent people, all the time. No need to begrudge anything, rather I am eternally grateful to His Divine Grace for involving me in this task.
So lets cooperate now and not begrudge how we got these documents out there, its all been done and now and literally everyone is discussing these documents. I'll help however I can.

The point that some folks seem to forget is that I was kicked out in 1979, and have been writing all along ever since, and getting these documents out into the public despite being chased with baseball bats etc. It is now 2009, a little late to offer me advice on fine tunng the writing, don't ya think so? If Praghosa das and others would have helped stand by my side when I was handing out papers, maybe that would have changed their tone and tenor, but what happened is what happened. Now we have to move ahead. Frankly no one else would have got the poison case out in public, as was told to me by the person who handed me the poison tapes.
Us little fox terriers had to do the dirty work, ok maybe we pooped on the carpet in the process, who cares! I feel happy and blessed, do not try to paint me otherwise, you do not know me at all
. thanks pd

April 22.009 -- Dear Praghosa (and Ameyatma) prabhus, thanks for your comments. My opinion is that Srila Prabhupada was admanantly clear, he does not want or order polygamy for his society. He said first of all that this process is illegal. And in case you have not noticed, the polygamy cults are getting their children taken away, they are getting very bad publicity, and they are involved in lawsuits, arrests, Federal Marshalls raiding their compounds and so on. Is this how we want ISKCON to become imbroiled? Are we not in trouble already?

So that makes Srila Prabhupada correct, and it makes us correct for forwarding his specific orders on polygamy for his society. We do not want this problem for our society, so Srila Prabhupada is protecting us. We also do not want people to imply that polygamy is his specific order for ISKCON, which can at any point make us a public laughing stock, again. All we have to do is watch the polygamy cult problems on the public news to find out why we cannot have this going on. It will make us look like crack pots, and that is coming from me, the alleged cheif crack pot.

I also do not think that the "only" way to protect a woman is: to marry her. Where is that stated? We can give her shelter and help out a woman in so many other ways. Srila Prabhupada helped out thousands of women, but he did not have to marry any of them? You are confusing "giving protection" and "making an illegal contractual agreement." If a woman needs shelter, then give her shelter, why do we need an illegal contract?

You folks keep saying: I oppose giving a woman shelter, but that is not what I have said? Let women stay in devotee's homes, temples or ashrams, fine, give them shelter. Agreed. You are confusing these issues as well. I never said that women should not be given protection, this is false. Fine, ISKCON is supposed to give protection, ... not imbroil a woman in an illegal agreement which can cause her grief, and an arrest warrant to boot?

I said polygamy is not to be practiced in ISKCON, that is the specific order, and again you are not watching the news, otherwise you would see so many women crying that their children are being taken away and so on, because polygamy did not end up giving them protection, it is giving them a night mare. In sum, there are general orders for example "you all become guru," and then the GBC conflates that and says, "ok, so we are all gurus now, and there are eleven of us." So you cannot conflate the general order into a specific order, the favorite pastime of the GBC.

Similarly, Isa and Tarun say, "Srila Prabhupada wanted -- in general -- that we have respect for his God brothers," and this is conflated to say that, "Sridhara and Narayana Maharaja are the specific post-1977 shiksha gurus for ISKCON." So this process of flawed logic is going on all over the place, changing the general principle into a specific order. In general, all devotees are pure devotees, but wait, not when we address the specifics. In general, Jesus said -- all of His followers should become Christ-like, but when we study the specifics?

I said that the principle of polygamy, just like the principle of being a diksha guru, or the principle of being involved with the Gaudiya Matha, has to be practicied within the guidelines of the specifics otherwise: do that all outside of ISKCON. There are specific orders for the ISKCON society that have to be followed within the society, that was and is my point. I am not talking about the general principle of polygamy, general principle of guru, general principles of being favorable to all vaishnavasa like the Gaudiya Matha, I am discussing the specific orders. And this has been the same trouble we have had with the GBC and Gaudiya Matha, they always cite the general idea as the specific order. It's not.

In general, the speed limit is 75 mph, but when there is a hail and ice storm, well maybe you should only go 25 mph, because the specifics have changed. Anyway, I apologize for insulting anyone here, that was and is not my purpose. My purpose is the elevate the specific orders into focus, and use the general orders for what they are: a sort of general ideal principle. The king can have one hundred wives, fine, that was also the principle of the ancient Bible. So that general principle is there, but this is not a speccifi order for our time or our society AT THIS specific point.

Anyway, there is no question of me feeling offended or belittled personally here, I do not take any of this as grudge against me, rather the attack is against the specific order. Thanks to God that this specific order prohibiting polygamy for ISKCON was given, otherwise we'd be being sued for another 400 million by disgruntled women who were illegally involved in polygamy. All this seems like simple common sense to me at least? So again, lets move ahead.

I am frankly more amazed that when I am involved in discussing: Bogus gurus, lost tapes, lost letters, lost documents; And their drugs and guns guru program; And the beatings, murders, poison of guru; And criminal mayhem project, others are discussing their desire to marry a few more women. Its like being in the twilight zone. So I am certainly your eternal friend and loving servant, and I like both of you and always wish you well, but this is a problem all along, conflating the general and the specific.

This is how we come to many false conclusions. This is why Srila Prabhupada says, "There are so many things I said, that I never said." Thanks for your patience with this yapper dog, ys servant, pd

Anyway, let us try to unify and keep making progress. Praghosa says we are making "nutty writings" -- that me and Yasodanandana put together over the years, but along with ours and the nutty writings of NNV over the DOM, we have created a big huge legal victory for us in Bangalore. Let us try to get more victories and progress forward. Again, I think Ameyatma is doing a great job and he should be included as a member temple of the Prabhupadanuga network. Our Berkeley devotees are also making good preaching progress, so let us go forward and unify at this point. Thanks pd

 


Chatur Bahu das - Murdered Devotee


The Chatur Bahu murder

Dear Prabhus, Chatur Bahu dasa was the co-president of New Orleans and was an assistant in the Mississipi "painting business" of Jayapataka's zone. He ran a little painting shop in New Orleans and he was trying to "make a secret deal with the GBC leaders" over some expose he was working on. The last thing he wrote in his diary was: "I am going to blow the lid off of ISKCON."

So perhaps the painting business was a front for a drug business or who knows what, but he was then found murdered -- throat slashed from ear to ear, hands tied behind his back, sitting in a chair in his shop when a "temple devotee" asked his wife to go into the shop (they knew he was dead in there, so they sent her in there to "freak her out" and make her too scared to protest).

Police then agreed, it was "an inside job" since there were no signs of a struggle and there were deity pictures on his desk, as if the murderers and Chatur Bahu were looking at these pictures together just before he was murdered. His wife also said that "some devotees" were at his shop looking at deity photos when she called around midnight, around the time he was murdered.

About this time Praghosa Dasa (the one now in New York) was calling me and talking to me sometimes for hours about how he agreed with me and that moreover he had some "inside information" that would help me and the police get the goodies to prosecute the Chatur Bahu murder. He promised me that he was going to call me soon and give me the inside information to help process the case, but then he suddenly disappeared and I was told he was hanging out with ISKCON's bogus gay marriage messiahs like Hrdayananda.

So this is a huge problem, we need to assist the authorities when our God brothers are assassinated like this, not run off and de facto worship the perps who are part of the murdering process. Otherwise, we are inviting more beatings, murders and so on. Meanwhile, the wife of Chatur Bahu was scared out of her wits, and despite Praghosa told me he would help look after her, she said he never bothered to help her either. So again, this is another major problem: when beatings, molestings and murders are going on, people are running off to sit at the feet of the leaders of the perps operation and they are not helping the victims.

Next problem, Praghosa says I am a crack pot fool (offender). Great, this is how people are murdered in ISKCON, they are branded as foolish offenders and then the GBC goondas go out and beat or murder the "offending and crazy" people.

Now we could argue that my children were treated either good or bad, but at least they worship Srila Prabhupada and my children are not going to Mayapura to lick the boots of the child buggery messiahs project where they are taught that molesters are part of the chain of Vaishnava saints? So this is another problem, one day people are "calling up PADA and agreeing," then the next day they are "calling up the GBC and agreeing," so they are trying to serve two masters, namely (a) our Prabhupada worship idea and (b) the molester messiahs idea.

This is why Jesus says: There are those who are for me: and those against, but those who are in the middle, the lukewarm, I spew them from my mouth. In other words, there is nothing worse than a fence sitting compromiser, even Jesus has to barf when he sees one. Next problem, despite that I am the crack pot idiot of ISKCON, I know that Srila Prabhupada said that polygamy is to be forbidden in his society. How come us alleged cracker jackers have to always remind Praghosa and his pals what Srila Prabhupada says?

If us crack pots are the only ones publicly saying "child molesters are not gurus," then does not that mean that the others are -- even more crackers than we are? If the town drunk has to tell the mayor what the problem is, then the mayor is not as advanced as the drunk? Praghosa is simply making my case over and over and over and over again, good job Praghosha! Yes, us cracker jackers have to read the letters, and in fact liberate the letters in the first place -- risking getting murdered -- like they murdered Sulochana for his liberating the letters.

And the FBI said I was "next on the hit list to be murdered." Yet liberating Srila Prabhupada's letters is cracker jack behavior, I am next to get murdered for helping liberate the letters, so kill the cracker jacks and hide the words of your guru? So this is really amazing, Sulochana risks his life to liberate the letters, and Praghosa does not even bother to take the time to read them, otherwise he would know that polygamy is forbidden. Anyway, here is one of the lettters:
Thanks ys pd

Comment: As for the New Orleans murder: I believed, the relatives of Chatur Bahu believed, many devotees believed at the time, and the police believed, it was an inside job. Praghosa indicated to me at the time he thought it was too. Praghosa is also wrong again, I never said the New Orleans devotees were involved, a couple of thug devotees came to New Orleans from Tamal's zone around the time of the murder.

I also do not think that when a person writes "I am going to blow the lid off of ISKCON," then he is suddenly murdered, that is a blind coincidence. Maybe children will believe that it is. The wife of Chatur Bahu called him at midnight and she heard those same two thug devotees talking in the background. Next day he is found dead? Anyway, I think it was a "hit" since this has the trappings of an execution style slaying, not a random murder. The perps were sending a message for the rest of us "dissenters." Thanks pd

 

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