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Jagannatha
dasa puripad bogus guru, clown or absurd personae? |
Well, if he KNEW he was making a HOAX, what kind of a man creats a cruel hoax that the spiritual master is being poisoned? Maybe he did not feel it was a hoax for the past two years but has now changed over to support the poisoners for some odd reasons known only to himself? Besides, as CHAKRA originally stated when they formerly criticized Puripada, how can we trust a man who gives himself the "pada" title of an acharya?
Hasn't the GBC de facto said that the only person who can use pada is --pada? And if Mr. puripada is really an acharya, and is fit for that title, then why does he now admt that he knowingly lied for the past two years? What kind of rational or caring person knowingly spreads lies that a saint has been poisoned?
If Puripada falsified information, and in sum he is a liar, and he admits he
falsified information, why are we trusting a liar? An ex-Ronald Mc Donald no less?
CHAKRA'S guy is the ex-spokesman for the biggest hamburger company in the world;
for the biggest meat processor cow killer organization on the planet, and they
take his words over Srila Prabhupada's.
CHAKRA is now quoting from an individual already condemned previously on CHAKRA
as unreliable, an individual with a self-appointed pada title posing as acarya.
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From: Rocana dasa
rocana@harekrsna.com
Dear Puranjana dasa
As you are no doubt aware, Chakra has been featuring the so-called "Puripada"
Jagannatha dasa. The previously condemned is now their favorite supporter. ISKCON/GBC
tries to distance itself from their Gaudha matha rivals, although we know them
to be clones. Puripada is a 100% Gaudha matha product. Initiated as Jagannatha
and rubber-stamped as Puripada. In fact, he added that latest pompous title to
his already absurd personae directly after making the poison CD. He never lived
in an ISKCON temple nor ever contributed to Srila Prabhupada's society.
He and his weird family were standing jokes when he occasionally visited the Toronto temple and devotees in Buffalo think is a crazy kook. Back in late 1997, He heard via the Internet about IVC's idea to produce a CD and unsolicidously volunteered to allow us to utilize his studio. Please read the attached e-mail [below]. Within it he requests money exclusively for paying for other professionals. That proved to be a total falsehood.
In fact, he pocketed most of the cash. He waited until the project was well under way then demanded he be handsomely compensated although he initially said he was donating falility and time. During the process, actually robbed and cheated us of a lot of money. He [Jagannatha] wanted full control over finishing the CD so he physically booted Dhanesvara out on to the street. Directly after completing the CD, he jumped on a plane for INDIA for the purpose of collecting his Puripada title, without sending us the product.
In the end, We never received the final product nor the master tape what to speak of all our working copies. If it weren't for the honesty of the studio owner, who like everyone else in Lockport, strongly disliked this obnoxious character, we would have never received a copy. After his return weeks later, he manufactured the lame excuse that his Indian born and imported resident "devotees" absconded with some of his equipment and our master CD. Unbeknownst to him, we had already listened to the studio copy and concluded that Jagannatha had so distorted and dramatized the original storyboard written by Dhanesvara that it was not fit to release under the IVC.
Suspiciously, ISKCON began making pro-active propaganda against the CD even though they could only have heard it from the stolen master copy. IVC never participated nor endorsed the distribution of the CD. Naturally, it did circulate but as far as I know not widely. Other than doing the professional "voice" and re-writing some parts near the end Puri-fraud had no hand in the creation of any part of the production to which he is now claiming. Namely altering something? What he doesn't really explain and we certainly don't know what he is refering to.
I can without hesitation accuse him of being an unabashed liar and unprincipled opportunist. His recent antics are a blatent attempt to gain the favor of the ISKCON higher-ups. Why! So that he can fly the ISKCON flag over his failing pathetic ashram and thus try to "save the day" by gaining some badly needed but not disserved credibility as a Srila Prabhupada follower. ISKCON , as he had calculated, gave him the recognition he was seeking. He is a crafty marketer and will squeeze any person or situation for his selfish interests.
ISKCON/Chakra must indeed a desperate lot of fools to "get in bed" with the likes of this professional clown. I thought you could make something out of this information. There is a much more elaborate version of the events surrounding the actual making of the CD. Dhanesvara and Nityananda can tell that story better than I. I'm not sure I want this entire correspondense published. In fact if you could kindl y email the final copy of what you want to put-up before you send it out. I would appreciate it. Can you give me Yasoda nanda's contact information. By the way, my internet sites correct URL is harekrsna.com . I am finally going to have the time to re-activate the site, very soon.
Below are two emails which prove my points.
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 20:22:11 -0500
To: rocana@harekrsna.com
(Rocana dasa)
Subject: Re: Poison
Dear Rocana Dasa
Please accept my humble pranams, All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
My phone number is 716-438-5580 and Fax is 716-438-5483. Our second email address
is vrnda@webtv.net Letting ISKCON investigate this matter is like letting the
foxes run the chicken house. No information should be given to them. I fear this
Balavanta Investigation is simply a rubber stamp event. I own a recording studio
with all digital computerized equipment worth about $250,000. I can even record
CD's. Two of my karmi associates David St. Onge and Fred Betchen would do the
work. The money is for them. I would advise having a devotee fly in to witness
the examination. Please let me know what would like to do. By the way lets have
a North American Mela here at SRI. Jagannatha Dasa SRI
The unedited one below demonstrates his real charter and was sent to me after I challenged his ridiculous story about the missing master copy. Birds of a feather flock together.
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:56:09 -0400
To: rocana@harekrsna.com (Rocana dasa)
Subject: Re: Where is the police report?
X-Loop: Island Net PEP Version 2.007
Fuck you asshole...
and
Call Captain Neil Merit Lockport, New York Police or Joe Kelly Buffalo FBI if you need something to do. They will advise you of my timely and lawful reporting of the theft...
and
Mr. Usedcarsalesmanlivingoffhisunattractivewifey Like I said you libel I sue. Go for it Gomer....
and above all
Go fuck yourself. If I had to choose between your sad little power games and ISKCON I'm with them! and really and truly...
your wife doesn't like you to touch her.
Grown up,
Srila Jagannatha Dasa Puripada
Founder SRI International
I just don't care man! Fuck off and do what thou wilt.
Susan Eshelman Art Vision International
"Virtual Administrators of the World's Fine Art"
http://www.aabc.com/
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep. 1999
Subject: Jeff, Puripada, that clown?
From: hd - To: angel108b@yahoo.com
Dear Paranjana Prabhu, Obeisances, all glories to Srila Prabhupada.
There are some things on the webs that I don't get around to reading. However this Jaganatha, or Puripada fellow, I think I know this guy. I for the moment forget his last name, but his first name is Jeffry. He wrote a book on the Beatles a few years back that did quite well. He even told me personally, if this is the same guy, that there is evidence that Mick Jagger had Brian Jones murdered and that it would all come out in the end.
When I was still going regularly to the Toronto temple back in 1979-80 he would come by the temple after doing his Ronald Mcdonald routine at a local franchise. I had to threaten him with legal action in order to get a painting I had done returned to the temple. He said he would have the frame repaired after it fell off the wall in Visvakarmas office. Weeks turned into months.
This guy is an eternal opportunist, a salesman, he blows with the wind. Anyone
who associates with him or his byproducts is wasting their time and money. He
should actually have been in show business. I'm sure he must have read P.T.Barnum's
own biography. Don't you all waste your time with this fellow. After a little
while he'll be on his way to something else. He
loves the publicity, good or bad. In my honest opinion, he's wasting a very
good imagination and drive. Don't tell him I
said that or his hat won't fit.
Your sevant HD of "Reprint The Books"
PS. Ask him, if when he was in Toronto he ever heard of Metro Man.
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His Divine Grass Poor i pada
PADA Newsletter Oct. 07,1999
Another Answer to Poor i pad:
Dear assembled Vaisnavas,
Hare Krsna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. Please accept my fallen obeisances.
I am submitting the following for the sake of "satyam" truthfulness,
although it is not one of those pleasant and enlivening articles.
This latest post on Chakra, written by his Divine Grass, (great xxx), you know who, Poor i pada, was sent to me, and I was asked to submit something to VNN to reply to it. (Seems like Jeffrey's brain must be too much clogged by improperly cooked puris, (which were NOT offered to Krsna. Actually, Mr. Poor i pad is SO elevated, (in his false ego), that he does NOT offer ANY of his foodstuffs to Krsna. He accepted the name "Puripad" because he is puffed up, like a puri. Thus, in that sense his name "Puripad" IS adaquate.)
Taking out just some time, despite Jeffrey's character, I would like to say that his wife Vrinda Mataji IS indeed a VERY WONDERFUL lady in SO MANY ways, and SO VERY OPPOSITE from her husband. (I am saying this because at one point she was slighted in someone's post somewhere.) She is a VERY SWEET lady.
Although Jeffrey's article was sent to me, and I was requested to make a reply, I have NO desire to be bothered ANYMORE with this fool Jeffrey, as I have tried to help him with his Krsna consciousness so much in the past, but it is obvious that in his frame of consciousness, one can not give good advice to a fool of his caliber. In light of that, I will submit his latest Chakra article below, and anyone who wishes to reply to it, please feel free to do so.
Please note that in Jeffrey's Sept 18th submission to Chakra, "Too Much VNN, Not Enough Seva," the ole boy said that he does not call himself "Puripada", yet in his last post submitted below, he lists his website as www.puripada.com. If he does not use the name "Puripad" as he says, then why.....?
Next thing he will try to tell everyone is that he does "not accept disciples". Well my friends, please note that he HAS "initiated" what HE CALLS "disciples". (As to what his conception of "disciples" constitutes, and what his "initiation" means, we will have to leave that up to Krsna. As Prahlad Maharaj says in SB 7.5.32, "Persons who are too addicted to materialistic life and who have accepted as their leader or guru a similar blind man attached to external sense objects, can not understand that the goal of life is to go back home, back to Godhead, and engage in the service of Lord Visnu. As blind men lead by another blind fall into the ditch, similarly, materially attached men lead by another materially attached man are bound by ropes of fruitive labor which are made of very strong cords, and they continue in material existence suffering the three-fold miseries.")
The last person Jeffrey ASKED to "accept initiation" from him, was a person who I brought to Jeffrey's place on Lord Balaram's Appearance Day. (I got this person off of heroin in 1973, but in 1998, he started up with the drugs again.) Desireous as Jeffrey is for name and fame, and now disciples, completely messed up on drugs, and messed up in general as this person was, HDGrass "Srila Puripada" asked this person to consider "taking 'initiation'" from him, (despite this person's eating meat, being on drugs and NOT chanting).
Although "HDG Poori pad" is criticizing other devotees who post on VNN and is trying to insinuate that they may not be so Krsna conscious, I would like to point out that Jeffrey's "sadhana" is to read VNN and Chakra EVERY MORNING - AS SOON AS HE WAKES UP. He does NOT chant Hare Krsna on beads, (or elsewise), or have ANY sadhana program whatsoever, OTHER than the one I just above mentioned. He also is NOT consistant on his following of the FOUR regulative principles.
I KNOW ALL OF THIS FOR A FACT!!!
I also KNOW that EACH and EVERY devotee that Jeffrey has mentioned on his posts, (Puru, Isa and Mahabuddhi prabhus), has rendered SO MUCH MORE service with REALDEDICATION, to the REAL GURU, His Divine Grace, AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, than Jeffrey has in his WHOLE lifetime. Yes, he has turned two of the rooms in his house into very nice temple rooms, but for WHAT reasons? Jeffrey's Deities are NEVER worshipped EXCEPT when I would come, (and THAT was done for SHOW, when some Indian family would come), and in the past, when he had some Indian devotees there. Jeffrey got these Indian devotees by "stealing" them from ISKCON temples and promised them green cards if they came to USA, and they have ALL since left. Jeffrey's Deities' alter is COVERED, (as are the Deities), with dust.
Other than that, Jeffrey has done NOTHING for Srila Prabhupada's pleasure. In fact, Jeffrey has stolen SO MANY times from the temples, the gift stores, (by writing BAD checks), and from the temple restaurants. If someone wants to contact Damodar prabhu in New Vrndavan, he can tell you how Jeffrey ripped them off also, even of murtis. And Jeffrey has personally ripped me off too, but I would ALWAYS forgive him, and I would TRY to assist him Krsna consciously. Jeffrey's USING this poison issue, (for the SOLE purpose of promoting his OWN name and fame), thus USING as pawns for his own selfish objectives, Srila Prabhupada and the respective Vaisnavas who are GENUINELY concerned about what has happened to THEIR Guru Maharaj, is MOST irreprehensible and abominable. The question of our Guru Maharaj Srila Prabhupada's being possibly poisoned, is NOT an issue of politics, and trying to make ones own personal gains for name, fame, or any other objective, but it is rather one of TRYING to find out the facts, the TRUTH.
Hopefully AFTER reading this post, MAYBE Jeffrey will change and become serious at some point. At least now, after this, I am SURE that Jeffrey will TRY to FAKE having a sadhana program IF and when ANYONE comes there. (And HOPEFULLY he will dust off the Deities and Their alter.)
DESPITE Jeffrey's Chakra article of Sept 18th, and this most recent one, although Jeffrey tries to pretend to be so Krsna conscious, (that VNN does not take so much preoccupancy of his time), he DOES check out VNN and its forums VERY CAREFULLY, EVERY SINGLE MORNING. THAT is his "sadhana" and his ONLY "sadhana".
Despite Jeffrey's direct lies in his article(s), with regard to me, I did at one point give him my PROMISE that NO MATTER WHAT, I WOULD give him ALL assistance on his deathbed to serve him personally, and TRY to help him remember Krsna, and I WILL hold to that promise irregardless of whatever happens. IF he changes his general offensive behavior and becomes serious in Krsna consciousness, I would assist him BEFORE he is lying on his deathbed.
I remain your servant,
Mahavegvati Dasi Hare Krsna
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From: angel108b@yahoo.com
(pada)
Pada Newsletter, Date:
01. Jan. 2003
WHO IS PURIPADA ?
(Buffalo New York)? (Story not verified by us posted as item of interest and verification
request)
Dear Pada,
You may want to put this in your newsletter. This Jeffrey
is a child molester and dupster. He has molested children in India,
Nepal and in the USA. He is also using false "charities" to make money
only for his own pockets. I actually checked with the Bhaktivedanta Hospital to
see if he gives them any money and he is giving nothing. Jeffrey also is not doing
any programs in Ravel or anything with sadhus in Vrindavan.
Stop Duping Them. It should be known to all devotees and their supporters that Jeffrey Juliano, aka Jagannath das Puripada, aka Geoffrey Giuliano has been duping people for years through his website and his organisation, Self Realization Institute. I hope that you will not allow yourself to be cheated by such a dishonest pretender. Advertising that he and his organization are collecting funds through various non-profit activities, it should be known that none of this money is going into any of these projects, but rather, into Jeffrey's own pockets, and it might be added, for the purchase of drugs. Below, taken from this poor excuse of a puri pad's website, are the following ploys he uses to cheat people. Please do NOT be duped!!!
Help For Raval: Srimati Radharani's Birthplace/ Support Bhaktivedanta Hospital / SRI Thailand Farm / Vegetarian Restaurant Project.
Rabhunath das, the director of the Bhaktivedanta Hospital in Bombay, Sector
1 Srishti Complex, Mira Road (East), Thane District, 401 107 can be contacted
to substantiate that this poor excuse of a pad, ("Puripad") has not
given even a single paise to the hospital despite his advertising for donations
in their name. Raghunath das can be contacted at the following email addresss:
bvedanta@vsnl.com The email should specifically be directed to him as this address
is used by another doctor (Patel). Raghunath das can also be contacted at his
personal email address, rajesh_talwar@hotmail.com Dr. Shanbhog, another director
at the hospital can be contacted at this bvedanta@vsnl.com email address as well
as his personal email address, Vishvarup@hotmail.com. Please do not lose your
laksmi to this liar and cheater who has used so many avenues to cheat people out
of their money.
Your servant, * Dasi
General
Board of Complaints gbc1008@aol.com
Prabhupadanuga's
Austria
Chant Hare
Krishna and be happy!
All glories to His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada!