RAMESVARA A SUSPECT IN THE MURDER OF SULOCANA

Ramesvara Swami aka Robert Grant ex swami bogus guru, cheater and crook

A devotee named Vadiraja also noted that while he was waiting for three hours to talk to Ramesvara, all of the temple's young girls were going in and out of his office to speak with "their guru." He said that Ramesvara had a .45 caliber gun right next to his seat, hidden from view, but that Vadiraja had seen it once when Ramesvara was off guard. Why would a guru keep a gun right next to him in his office? Ramesvara was also allegedly participating in the local gym club's "aerobic dance class" in the morning, mostly filled with young ladies dressed in skin-hugging exercise tights. Some devotees joked that this was his morning "jiggling meditation."

For his "dating a young girl" Ramesvara had apparently become a de facto pedophile, and he was compared to Kirtanananda. Ramesvara had also allegedly been taking money from the sales of drugs and drug related items, which he did not want to have investigated as Sulochana wanted to. Ramesvara was living like a millionaire business executive which means he was actually siphoning off the society's funds for himself. In other word, Ramesvara had a lot to hide and he was not pleased with the expose style of Sulochana. If Kirtanananda was exposed, there might be a domino effect, more gurus could be investigated. Even Hansadutta's siphoning the society's funds for his extravaganzas could be investigated, and that is why he backed Kirtanananda. So, they all had something to hide, and therefore Sulochana was their common enemy.

Exactly like Hansadutta, Kirtanananda, Jayapataka, Harikesha and others, Ramesvara also had a crew of mean looking, violent "enforcers." His "enforcers" would "patrol" the Los Angeles temple neighborhood where they were brow-beating, harassing, intimidating, threatening, if not beating dissenters. He simply could not let one of these dissenters "get away with" as much as Sulochana was. Perhaps the other dissenters would get more bold if Sulochana was not checked?

Ramesvara's thugs would do things like --go to a "dissenter's" door in the middle of the night to pound on it with aluminum baseball bats, to scare dissenters into "absolute submission to the guru." Even teeny babies and small children were terrorized by this tactic. Yet, who cared as long as the guru was able to continue dating his young female student? "The purity must be preserved at all costs"! There were a host of other diabolical tactics that Ramesvara's violent thugs used to keep dissenters in line such as slashing the tires on their cars, placing sugar in their gas tanks, breaking the windows on their cars, and just creating a violent, malevolent, malefic, death threatening atmosphere around the temples to keep the "doubters" in check.

A couple of Ramesvara's men had huge muscles and tattoos, and they looked like they had just got out of San Quentin prison. I recall that later, in 1998, one of these same muscle bound tattoo thugs came up and yelled at me for playing a harmonium in the temple, but by this time their spell had been more or less broken. One little devotee came up and chased away the muscle man with a broom. Being so much exasperated at the humiliation, he left the community. So their powers are dwindling now, but in 1986, they were at their peak.

Of course, by encouraging these criminal moods and actions, this naturally attracted a class of violent, perverse, if not demented criminals who enjoyed indulging in these odious behaviors. To sum, good people were being scared away and bad people were being welcomed and then given "posts of authority" such as "temple commander, temple enforcer" and so on. Therefore, in addition to criminal thug types, a wave of homosexuals; child molesters; women beaters and abusers; psychotic, mentally disturbed types; and similar other low-life characters began to emerge as a more prominent class amongst "Ramesvara's loyal devotees" and ISKCON members in general.

Even in 1998 the remnants of Ramesvara's temple thugs slashed all of the tires and broke out the windows of a "dissenter's" car as I personally witnessed. In sum, there is still, to this day (the year 2000) a constant patrol of violent looking, angry, sneering, scowling, vulture staring "enforcers" in the front of the Los Angeles temple, since Ramesvara's trained-up remnant clones are still in charge there today. When I would come out on the street they would do "the coyote walk" around me. That means three or four of them would start to circle me in a menacing way. Even the Los Angeles police picked up on this. They saw me on my bike one day and said, "Hey you, get around the corner. Get out of here! Can't you see that these people want to clobber you? We are going to watch until you are around the corner."

Anyway, in 1986 Ramesvara had a vested interest in keeping dissenters under control. Another reason he had to help check Sulochana is that he had to be loyal to the other violent thugs, perverts and molesters posing as gurus. If he did not help them curb Sulochana, they might not help him cover up his "dating of Rukmini" problem. The deviant "gurus" had to stick together. They were under attack, and thus even bringing Hansadutta back in some capacity, reinstating the pedophile Bhavananda, and whatever else it took, was acceptable. The crooks had to show solidarity now. The homosexual pedophile guru brotherhood had to show the world that they were still in charge.

Subject:  Ramesvara dasa
Date:      19.04.99,00:57:15
From:     angel108b@yahoo.com

RAMESVARA PEDOPHILE AFTER LITTLE GIRLS

For example the "guru": Ramesvara dasa. He was caught on numerous occasions
"dating," especially, one of his 15-year-old female disciples. Every day these young girls would come to his window and sing prayers in his praise. He would swim with all of his young girl students, he being the only male in the pool area. He dated one of his young girl "students" in movie theaters, Italian restaurants, etc. He used to talk to each of the girls, in his private office, even placing the girls on his lap, for hours and hours on end. He went out to buy his young "spiritual daughter" leather mini-skirts. He was also reported to be going to "aerobic exorcise classes" where young ladies were jumping up and down wearing skin-tight leotards. One of his ex-body guards told us that he would go out on dates with his "spiritual daughter" at two o' clock in the morning. Yet many of his followers did not think any of this was wrong, due to the fanatical preaching that "the guru can do no wrong" from the GBC.

SO WHAT? We recently asked one of Ramesvara's former disciples about the molestation of children all over ISKCON due to the influence and policies of these molester "gurus" (or de facto molester gurus like Ramesvara) and he said (angrily), "So what, who are you to criticize?" And this has been the attitude of the blind followers of the enforced worship of deviants and pedophiles for the past 20 years. Yes, who cares that homosexuals and pedophiles are being worshipped as good as God and they have been forming molester nests, and as a result: children have been molested? "You have no authority to challenge our wonderful pure molester guru empire? We are God's living spokespersons, and so, who are you"?

HISTORICAL "OPPRESSOR'S PARALLEL." Of course Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and Kamsa of yore, they all would say, "so what?" to their critics. And as usual the above mentioned ex-follower of Ramesvara was very angry and vehement, as this type of fanatic has been for the past 20 years. That is why the molestation went on to the extent that is has.

The GBC's pedophile lineage has many such sub-violent vociferous supporters and enforcers. No questions are allowed, not now, nor have they been for the past 20 years. Yes, "who?" is anyone to "question" the GBC's enforced cult ritualistic worship of pedophiles, or their de facto pedophile "gurus" like Ramesvara, a regime which has been molesting children left, right and center? Indeed "so what" is their common reply? And Ramesvara is alleged to have arranged the assassination of Sulochana dasa, a critic of the molester guru regime. Again, so what? Yes, we ban people, yes we beat people, yes we molest people, yes we kill people, so what? So what? So what if we have no feelings for our victims like a normal human being. Yes our party can molest, ban, beat, and kill, and then we have a good laugh at our victims (as demons have done for centuries in the name of God?).

WOMAN THREATENED. According to Sulochana dasa, when a woman tried to investigate child molestation in the Los Angeles school, Ramesvara called her up and warned that she might be in danger if she kept up her investigation.

WATCHDOG? Other GBCs were told about potential abuse and molestation in Los Angeles. But they said that Ramesvara would control it. Yes, the man who is dating a fourteen-year-old girl should be placed in charge of investigating similar cases! And this blatant misbehavior went on "for years." He was eventually removed from his post, not for sexual deviation, but for misusing funds.

MURDER LINK. Ramesvara had said, "Sulochana needed to get a new body," i.e. he needed to be murdered. He even asked one of his followers to assassinate him. To date, the GBC has never investigated this and demanded criminal murder conspiracy charges (and so on and so forth).

Quote: "Rameshwara: (Robert Grant) soon to gift "leather miniskirts" to 15 year old statutory rape girlfriend, Sankritan "prostitution parties", is co-partner in Laguna Beach Drug dealing, helping in the murder of Sulochana"

Bhakta George: this I think is true. I spoke with one of the witnesses who helped put Kirtananda away. This devotee lived at the L.A. temple at the time and was approached by Kirtananadas goons, they requesting of him to help them find a place to bury the body of Solucana after the had commited the murder. This devotee informed Rameswara of this but he seemed already conversant with the plans to kill Solucana and told this devotee that it would be a good time for Sulocana to get another body when this devotee asked Rameswara if he should assist the murderers. This devotee testified at three trials to the truth of all this and is a personal friend. I have no doubt that Rameswara knew and approved of the plans to murder Sulocana.

Concerning Ramesvara: I recall one day speaking with Ramesvar and I think Janaka Rishi was the one Ramesvar was speaking with. They were talking about a brahmacari - a disciple of Ramesvar - who was having difficulty and had been begging and pleading with Janaka and others to please let him speak with Ramesvar - his guru. He was having difficulty and wanted his help. Ramesvar remarked to Janaka - He doesn't even make enough on "sankirtan" to pay for his room and board. I don't have time for such useless disciples. I am not his mommy, if he has problems and can't stay, let him go back to his mommy and let her take care of him". Even Janaka was taken back by that attitude.

I heard that Ramesvara was told by the FBI that if he didn’t give up his leadership position in ISKCON, he would be prosecuted as a co-conspirator in the murder of Sulocana Prabhu. Ask him whether or not this is true, if you dare. Look him right in the eye. Then you might be able to tell whether or not he is lying.

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I realize it could have been faked on Ramesvar's part, but, after the GBC meetings in March 78 when the gbc decided, and declared to one and all, that the 11 were now the new Acharya's of our movement, Ramesvar openly admitted that he did not consider himself Qualified to be Guru. He openly said that 'Maybe in 10 years, but not now, I know i am not qualified'. I don't know if you, NaraNarayan heard him speak like this, But i did. He was standing on the steps of the LA temple and was openly telling his god brothers he was not ready to take the responsibility of Guru. I recall that Ramesvar's initial reluctance caused some discussions among the GBC and word came that Ramesvar had to take it up, as his duty to SP. Then Danavir made this big push - that it was SP's Order, and that this was the decision of the GBC. His first push was with Ramesvar, to make him accept his 'so called' "duty". And Ramesvar relented. Then Danavir made the push and called a meeting of all SP's disciples in LA and told us, as you said, that like SP's god brothers who were envious and could not see SP as pure devotee, we all will not be able to see those 11 god brothers as pure, but, their disciples will, and so Danavir told us that it was now our service, our duty, to not speak about their faults, because they were only faults in our eyes, but not to their disciples. We were to only glorify their good qualities to the new members so that they will be able to accept them as their guru. This, we were told, was not our duty to do this for SP.

I recall that was the first time in my life that I actually got, physically, a bad taste in my mouth. We were being told to throw Honesty out the door. That our personal realizations no longer had any validity. That my realization that these men were not qualified, even if my conclusion was based on the realization and application of the teachings of Guru Sadhu Shastra, that my realizations now meant nothing, Worthless as dirt. I no longer had any right to speak out honestly based on my realizations. I had to suppress my own conclusions, and worse even, i had to perpetuate something that in my own heart i knew was wrong. I was being told to now tell new comers that these men were pure devotees, even though my own personal realizations told me they were not. Personally, based on my own realizations, I knew Ramesvar was not qualified, but I was told that I had to become dishonest, dis-genuine, and LIE to the newer members, and tell them things i knew were untrue. And, if I didn't, then there was no longer a place for me in ISKCON. It was a very dark time. Everything that was going down was WRONG. Those who stood up and complained were unceremoniously shown the exit door. I stayed because I had my services to do for SP. It was not easy to stay.

As far as this idea that SP's god brothers did not see him as pure, a few could see. While most were envious, that is true, when they spoke out, it was obvious to someone with some degree of realization that they were envious and were not speaking based on shastra. Most of them would say, in words or actions, that SP was just the foot soldier, he went to the West and taught us the basics, but, now they will teach us the Higher levels of KC. Their motive was not to protect us from accepting someone they felt was a neophyte and unqualified, but their motive was to trick us in leaving SP and accepting them as our guru. Their motive was self-serving. In our case, we had no desire to take any one as our own follower, we had no self-serving motive, our concern was that these men were not qualified and thus no one should accept them as such. To glorify someone who is not worthy is also an offense. It misleads those who then accept that person as being able to deliver them Back Home BTG, when in fact, they were not at all qualified to do so. In the case of SP's God brothers, they were Envious and self-serving in our case, we simply wanted to be able to openly express our honest realizations in order to help others. But, our honest views and realization were suppressed and declared as worthless as dirt.

And if we dared to speak out and tell others our honest views, then we were labeled envious, deviants, fallen rascals and worse... The problem since 1978 has been that Honesty and Truthfulness have been thrown out and suppressed. Those Prabhupad disciples who tried to express their honest realizations were caste out and suppressed. That is the real cause of all the problems since.... In ISKCON truthfulness in this regard is not allowed. If we told new comers in 1978 NOT to accept those 11 men as guru, we would be kicked out on our ears. If we speak out today and say that these 80-120 men are not qualified to give diksha, we will also be told to leave the temples. In the case of SP's godbrothers, out of enviousness they said SP was not as elevated as they were, and that by following him we could only go so far, but to go become a Gopi and directly serve Radha and Krsna, we needed their Higher guidance, that is enviousness and self-serving. We are not telling people don't accept Vaisaseka (sp?), accept me because I am more qualified then him, we are saying, don't accept him because he and the other 120 rubber stamped men are not qualified, period. But, our honest realizations are worth less then dirt. Honest opinions by many of SP's disciples are considered less then dirt, because the GBC have rubber stamped these men, they are now qualified and any one who says they are not, he is dirt and should be treated as dirt. Honesty and Truthfullness has been kicked out.

ys ameya