Ritvik System Is Bona fide

Ritvik System Is Bona fide

BY: MAHESH RAJA

Feb 22, UK (SUN) — Balavidya Prabhu in his article "Questions for Madhu Pandit dasa" seems unable/unwilling to grasp the Ritvik System. Perhaps the following will help.

As he put it, "Is the "rtvik" system bona fide?" Yes - it is bona fide. As can be seen, only the formalities of initiation - ceremonies 1st and 2nd initiation have changed, as this is offered on behalf of Srila Prabhupada by Ritviks (Officiating Acaryas/Representatives of Acarya). This in confirmation with 9th July 1977 Order. Diksa given to the Madhyama has NOT changed." The formalities may be slightly changed here and there to make them Vaisnavas.

    Srimad Bhagavatam 4.8.54 Purport - Dhruva Maharaja Leaves Home for the Forest:

    "Those who are not actually in the line of acaryas, or who personally have no knowledge of how to act in the role of acarya, unnecessarily criticize the activities of the ISKCON movement in countries outside of India. The fact is that such critics cannot do anything personally to spread Krsna consciousness. If someone does go and preach, taking all risks and allowing all considerations for time and place, it might be that there are changes in the manner of worship, but that is not at all faulty according to sastra. Srimad Viraraghava Acarya, an acarya in the disciplic succession of the Ramanuja-sampradaya, has remarked in his commentary that candalas, or conditioned souls who are born in lower than sudra families, can also be initiated according to circumstances. The formalities may be slightly changed here and there to make them Vaisnavas."

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Who in Iskcon went to Srila Prabhupada in 1972 and 1977 and said, "Srila Prabhupada, you cannot create a rtvik system, it is not found in shastra?" was it Rupanuga dasa? Gaura Keshava? Basu Ghosh? Sankarsana dasa Adhikari? Ravindra Svarupa? damana? JPS, HKS, EIEIO? who?

No one in ISKCON can answer this because no one would ever DARE to go and approach Srila Prabhupada and ask him this question. They all the accepted that whatever he did was bona fide.

During his manifested physical presence they all accepted that it was a bona fide arrangement and they all knew he NEVER changed it, but the personal ambition factor came in and then everything went crazy.

"and as soon as he learns that Guru Maharaja, the I kill guru and become guru, then he is finished...

They did not reject it when he was with us but now that they have a vested interest to carry on their guru business, they are arguing like crazy that Srila Prabhupada cannot be the the guru. Just see the envy of the acarya.

Hare Krishna Trivikram. Your cheating nature is evident in your replies. Your cheating nature comes from defending the voted-in guru system that creates so-called gurus out of homosexuals and pedophiles and votes in Trivikrama with these same pedophiles and homosexuals as gurus, and he accepts it knowing it all so well. That's all. You can go on defending them and their buddies all you want.

To correct your miss-information, Rtviks were created for when "you are no longer with us"

not "during my illness" where do you get this from? another of your concoctions. and the answer that you cannot give is, "no one protested because everyone accepted what Srila Prabhupada did was bona fide"

you only protest now because you think "Srila Prabhupada is dead"

you are just a cheerleader of bogus gurus that were voted in with child molestors and pedophiles, just admit it.

Sri Mukunda dasa


Ritvik - **Representative**

BY: MAHESH RAJA

Oct 5, UK (SUN) — Ritvik - **representative** of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation.

This is for the benefit of those who have ears to hear.

Ritvik--**representative** of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation.

Note the word *representative* indicated below which was also mentioned in July 9th 1977 directive.

Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya 24.330:

    "Similarly, a disciple's qualifications must be observed by the spiritual master before he is accepted as a disciple. In our Krsna consciousness movement, the requirement is that one must be prepared to give up the four pillars of sinful life-illicit sex, meat-eating, intoxication and gambling. In Western countries especially, we first observe whether a potential disciple is prepared to follow the regulative principles. Then he is given the name of a Vaisnava servant and initiated to chant the Hare Krsna maha-mantra, at least sixteen rounds daily. In this way the disciple renders devotional service under the guidance of the spiritual master or his representative for at least six months to a year. He is then recommended for a second initiation, during which a sacred thread is offered and the disciple is accepted as a bona fide brahmana."

    Note: we know that without becoming a Maha-bhagavata it is an offense against the chanting of the holy name (3rd offense in chanting) to be worshipped as good as God (Acarya). Ritvik --the representative of the acarya allows for this function of worshipping the acarya (Prabhupada) without slaughtering the spiritual lives of others.

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    "When one has attained the topmost position of maha-bhagavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru."

Srila Prabhupada is revealing his position as the jagad-guru (Spiritual Master of the entire world). It is Srila Prabhupada that has distributed the Holy Name (thru his books) all over the world. Krishna is His pure devotee Prabhupada's property to give.

Caitanya-caritamrta, Antya 7.12:

    "…in the Dvapara-yuga one could satisfy Krsna or Visnu only by worshiping opulently according to the pancaratriki system, but in the age of Kali one can satisfy and worship the Supreme Personality of Godhead Hari simply by chanting His holy name." Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura explains that unless one is directly empowered by the causeless mercy of Krsna, one cannot become the spiritual master of the entire world (jagad-guru). One cannot become an acarya simply by mental speculation. The true acarya presents Krsna to everyone by preaching the holy name of the Lord throughout the world. Thus the conditioned souls, purified by chanting the holy name, are liberated from the blazing fire of material existence. In this way, spiritual benefit grows increasingly full, like the waxing moon in the sky. The true acarya, the spiritual master of the entire world, must be considered an incarnation of Krsna's mercy. Indeed, he is personally embracing Krsna. He is therefore the spiritual master of all the varnas (brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya and sudra) and all the asramas (brahmacarya, grhastha, vanaprastha and sannyasa). Since he is understood to be the most advanced devotee, he is called paramahamsa-thakura. Thakura is a title of honor offered to the paramahamsa. Therefore one who acts as an acarya, directly presenting Lord Krsna by spreading His name and fame, is also to be called paramahamsa-thakura."

Ritvik is a REPRESENTATIVE of the acarya, SO IF the word REPRESENTATIVE is mentioned in CC 24.330 without mention of the word "Ritvik", what's the problem in understanding? Study Srimad Bhagavatam - there are many places which priest has to officiate, Ritvik is mentioned. Vedic society in the past has Ritviks - so why not now?

Radha is not mentioned directly, but from word derivation.

In this case REPRESENTATIVE was used instead if the word Ritvik. "Representative of the acarya" is also mentioned similarly in (CC Madhya 24.330) --- this is the secret. Ritvik is the same. Representative of acarya mean RITVIK Representative who OFFICIATES on BEHALF of the acarya for the specific purpose. What's the purpose? for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation. The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative.

Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya 8.100:

    "The name Radha is derived from this verse (Bhag. 10.30.28), from the words anayaradhitah, meaning "by Her the Lord is worshiped." Sometimes the critics of Srimad-Bhagavatam find it difficult to find Radharani's holy name, but the secret is disclosed here in the word aradhitah, from which the name radha has come. Of course, the name of Radharani is directly mentioned in other Puranas. This gopi's worship of Krsna is topmost, and therefore Her name is Radha, or the topmost worshiper."

Srila Prabhupada's 07-09-77, Letter to All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents:

    "Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as "ritvik--representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation. His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity:

    His Holiness Kirtanananda Swami
    His Holiness Satsvarupa dasa Gosvami
    His Holiness Jayapataka Swami
    His Holiness Tamala Krsna Gosvami
    His Holiness Hrdayananda Gosvami
    His Holiness Bhavananda Gosvami
    His Holiness Hamsaduta Swami
    His Holiness Ramesvara Swami
    His Holiness Harikesa Swami
    His Grace Bhagavan dasa Adhikari
    His Grace Jayatirtha dasa Adhikari

    In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada recommending a particular devotee's initiation. Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupad by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done. The newly initiated devotees are disciples of his divine grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before. The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace's "Initiated Disciples" book.

    (Srila Prabhupada’s signature appears in the original)

This July 9th 1977 letter was never revoked by Srila Prabhupada. This being the case, all the newly initiated devotees are disciples of his Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada for as long as ISKCON exists.

A History below was compiled by another devotee which shows Srila Prabhupada's intentions.

History:

July 9th, 1977 - "Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done. The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative."

(Srila Prabhupada’s final signed Directive describing the initiation system to be followed in ISKCON, sent to all GBC's and Temple Presidents)

July 11th, 1977 - "A letter has been sent to all the Temple Presidents and GBC which you should be receiving soon describing the process for initiation to be followed in the future. Srila Prabhupada has appointed thus far eleven representatives who will initiate new devotees on His behalf."

(Letter from Tamala Krishna Goswami to Kirtananda describing the above system) July 19th, 1977 - "Make your own field and continue to be Ritvik and act on my charge." (Room Conversation, above dictated by Srila Prabhupada to his secretary Tamala Krishna Goswami)

July 31st, 1977 - "Make your own field and continue to become ritvik and act on my behalf."

(Above dictation sent out to Hamsaduta Swami by Tamala Krishna Goswami in a letter) Nov 1977 - "The system of management will continue as it is now and there is no need of any change."

(Srila Prabhupada's Last Will and Testament, which now comes into force for the lifetime of ISKCON)

Nov 1977 - "In the event of death or failure to act for any reason of any of the said directors, a successor director or directors may be appointed by the remaining directors, provided the new director is my initiated disciple ..."

(Srila Prabhupada's Last Will and Testament, which now comes into force for the lifetime of ISKCON. The above system of selecting directors can only work if Srila Prabhupada's initiated disciples exist throughout ISKCON's lifetime.)