Rocana not clear
From PADA
Newsletter - 03. September, 2007
From:
angel108b@yahoo.com (Puranjana)
4) THANKS TO ROCANA!
ROCANA: "Hari-sauri would like you to believe that everything's so clear and so transparent but if that were the case, then why was there controversy in the first place? And why does the controversy rage on? Praghosa dasa would like you to think he's made it abundantly simple and clear. The Rtvik advocates such as Yasodanandana dasa and Krishna-kant Desai would like you to believe that it's crystal clear, but the reality is that it's NOT crystal clear."
[PADA: Thanks Rocana, but you are the one who is not clear. We have asked you for 30 years, what was the order? First of all, you thought that Hari Sauri's team had "the clear version" of things. Thus, first of all you supported the bogus zonal gurus, thinking that was "the order" of Srila Prabhupada. Then around 1985 you joined with Satsvarupa and said you were going to reform your zonal and pedophile messiah gurus, by voting in 200 more zonal gurus? You were thinking the order of guru is to fix your broken messiahs, and vote in more zonal gurus, and you failed to fix your original deviation. You thought that reforming your bogus and homosexual messiahs was the clear order. That means you have no idea what the order ever was? Once again, pretty please with frosting on top, what was the order? You never tell us for 30 years?
Oddly, Rocana and Satsvarupa types have said that the July 9th letter and other letters "are not clear." And while Srila Prabhupada is allegedly "not clear," what is clear? The bogus GBC and Rocana say only they are clear, while their guru is unable to speak clearly: as such they have the exclusive authority to underwrite false gurus. Imagine this, Satsvarupa and his topmost sisyas Rocana and Kailasha Chandra never heard Srila Prabhupada say, about five thousand times per week since 1970, "After I am gone, there will ONLY be a Governing Body, not false gurus, and some of the Governing Body are ALREADY conducting initiations by chanting on the beads, so whatever you do - after I am gone -- DO NOT -- under any circumstances change this process -- and make false gurus." That is the order, as such the July 9th letter simply re-states this order. Rocana never heard his guru talking apparently?
Now all of a sudden, the process he re-stated 5,000,000 times -- is "not clear"? Rocana is attacking his own guru, "My guru is not clear, but thanks to me, I will straighten out my guru's mumbling, and so we have Rocana's concocted zonal gurus, homosexual gurus, reformed gurus and other Rocana's mumbo-jumbo. Again, we repeat for clarity, PADA has said all along that the July 9th letter is not the main or crucial consequence, the actual order was given all along starting in 1970 -- thousands of times: "After I depart there will be a Governing Body, and not bogus Gaudiya Matha gurus." And that was the order he gave thousands of times. Rocana is mesmerized and fixated on one July 9th letter, and so he forgot the thousands of other times Srila Prabhupada said, after I am gone there will be agents, managers, not gurus, and since some of these agents are chanting on the beads for initiations, -- do not change anything, keep the initiations going on by proxy or DEPUTIES and let the mission continue, that was the order he gave thousands of times. Of course even the order for ritviks was "henceforward" and Rocana forgot to show us why this was supposed to stop? We are sorry Rocana is stuck on one day in July of 1977 for the rest of his life.
Rocana is the one who muddied up his clear orders with his zonal gurus, reformed gurus, and all the other crack pot ideas. The order was given all along every day especially since 1970, make a managing body, they are already initiating on my behalf (the ritvik idea), so continue everything AS IT IS -- without change. The July letter simply confirmed what he said all along. Rocana, you are the one who changed his orders! Then you said his books cannot give divyam jnanam which destroys sins (diksha) -- you pulled the plug out of the Vedas and said Srila Prabhupada and Krishna have no poteny anymore! You are the one who changed the whole order!
Yet many PADA readers are glad that Rocana has finally decided to come out of his cubby-hole and debate with PADA by writing his current debate "position papers" -- where he goes back to citing the bogus GBC's gurus that there are "regular (neophyte) sadhaka" gurus. Basically, Rocana is repeating Hari Sauri's recent "eleven appointed gurus" document wherein Hari Sauri claims that Srila Prabhupada appointed eleven of "Krishna's guru successors." Yet the claim that Vaishnava gurus are eclessiastically "appointed" has been so badly discredited over the years -- it is truly amazing that some folks, ok Rocana, Hari Sauri, Gaudiya Matha deviants and others are still pounding the drum for this idea. Srila Prabhupada says: gurus are not appointed, so why would he deviate and -- appoint gurus?
The first immediate problem the "appointed gurus" folks had was: (a) Their alleged "pure devotee gurus" turned out to be -- ok -- not so pure. The next problem they had was trying to explain, (b) Why would Srila Prabhupada appoint impure persons as gurus? Then again, (c) Why does Srila Prabhupada say on the May 28th tape that -- in the future, when he is no longer here, officiating / ritviks will be initiating on his behalf? And on the same tape he say that when these ritviks deviate, they will have to be replaced (thus they are not gurus). And of course, (d) If someone (or eleven someones) had been appointed as guru(s) on May 28th, why wasn't the entire society notified right away of this astonishing announcement?
Why was "the (alleged) guru appointment" only announced AFTER Srila Prabhupada had departed in November of 1977? Then again (e) Why were people like us threatened with death when we asked to see "the evidence" of the alleged "guru appointment" in December of 1977? (f) How come none of us heard the so-called appointment tape until Sulochana prabhu bribed people to get a copy in 1984? (g) Why does audio forensic expert Norman Perle say the "May tape" seems to have some sort of spliced-up, cut and paste problems -- consistent with tampering? (g) Why wasn't "the will" being distributed until we busted it out of a guru's safe? (h) Why was Tamal Krishna swami saying in July of 1977 that Sridhara Maharaja is the worst of deviants, and a few months later (in December of 1977) Tamal was saying he is "ISKCON's new shiksha advisor." (i) Why did Tamal stick his angry face right into our face and say, "I know you Puranjana, you are just waiting for Srila Prabhupada to die so you can sit in his seat"! And so on!
Perhaps these fellows failed to convince us that their gurus were "the eleven anartha free/ annointed holy divinities/ from Krishna Loka," and "Krishna's pure devotee guru successors" since many of their "gurus" were caught doing odd things -- like for example, putting their hands down the pants of men, women and children "disciples." To fix this problem, then they concocted "a reform" and presto bingo boingo, Rocana's started a whole new category of guru: the "reformed" neophyte (sadhaka) guru. How did you guess, every single one of Rocana's reformed "sadhaka gurus" has "a zone." Rocana says that the worst thing that ever happened in ISKCON was: his gurus said they had geographical "zones." (Apparently, Rocana's messiahs having their hands down people's pants does not seem to rate as much of a problem) and yet ALL of Rocana's "sadhaka" gurus STILL have zones, and yes, some of them are still being caught from time to time, with their hands down -- oh never mind!
Therefore, Rocana is saying: he is the worst thing that has ever happened to ISKCON since his gurus still have zones! Good progress. Never mind these fellows never explained why the guru needs a "reform," after being exposed putting his hands down the pants of followers ....? Never mind that Srila Prabhupada says, about fifty ka-zillion times, that Rocana is wrong since: the neophyte is NOT a guru. Then again, the Sridhara/ Narayana/ Gaura Govinda/ Tripurari swamis/ Rocana types seem to pay little attention to what Srila Prabhupada says? Narayana Maharaja still says "there is nothing wrong" with his gurus having their hands down the pants of followers, and orchestrating murders of dissenters. Tony Soprano also says, "Nuttin wrong with whacking yer opponents." By the way some Narayana folks sent what appears to be a threat of violence to one of our associates. "We's ah gonna whack yahs." Very saintly there!
What do you expect when Rocana's current "living guru" is once again "walking across Canada" and according to some, he was once "feeding the squirrels in the homosexual's park at night." What is the point of Rocana's guru's big plan to "walk accross Canada"? Is Canada a sacred place? Yes, when all of the contrived banning, beating, molesting and murders were going on, Rocana's guru was too busy to notice because he was "walking accross Canada." The neophyte is not a guru, rather he is supposed to MANAGE the ISKCON society, not start some hokey show bottle "walking" across the countryside program to prove that he is the next messiah. Here in California we also have many "cancer patient's bike rides accross America," which impresses small minded people like Rocana as some sort of sacred Tirtha pilgimage project. Walking across Canada makes one "a member of the Vaishnava guru parampara," so there is "minimal qualification and maximum pooja." Maybe the best qualification for their pure devotees should be: whoever collects the most beer cans for recycling, at least then we'd have some useful action going on to be on Rcoana's team of next messiahs, instead of wasting time hiking when his guru can just jump on a bus and get there five days earlier!
Apparently, according to SDG and people like Rocana, there are "regular sadhaka sadhaka" who are simultaneously "assistants of the gopis." Yet their gurus are prone to watch "regular" old re-runs of old Humphrey Bogart movies (like their "sadhaka guru" Suhotra was doing). And then again there are the "actual" servants of the gopis, they are fully pure, but no one is allowed to distinguish between the two groups clearly, lest they be branded as deviants known as "Church of the pure gopis" -- by Rocana and his pal Ravindra Swarupa. No one is allowed to say, wait, you are telescoping these two levels: neophyte and pure -- together. Sorry, the neophyte is -- ASPIRING -- to be an assistant of the gopis, he is not there yet!
Whereas the acharyas, they are there, they are pure servants of the gopis (rati keli siddhas)! These thinkers are famous for saying that the neophyte, the kindergarten child who is aspiring to be a brain surgeon, he must be given a scalpel and to start the brain surgery operation .... ouch! NOTICE! Rocana's term "sadhaka gurus" is one he borrows from Satsvarupa Dasa Goswami's (SDG's) concoctions! My dear Rocana prabhu, the neophyte devotees, the sadhakas, they are not gurus -- despite your great authorities like SDG saying that "the neophytes are gurus" all of the time! OK, we'd all be happy if us lowly sadhakas could somehow or other act like bona fide pure devotees -- diksha gurus, residents of Krishna loka etc. -- and save the planet. Great wishful thinking there. Yet as we have all seen by now, your "sadhaka gurus" have a slight tendency to fall down into "illicit sex with men, women and children." Not very guru-like behavior there! Worse, saying that sadhakas are gurus CAUSES then to tail-spin into a fall down.
Of course, Rocana's good friend Mahatma dasa (the one who was in Texas and Tamal's old pal) has written on "Dandavats.com" his theory explaining why Rocana's gurus are prone to "fall-downs." PADA is very sorry to report this -- but to say that "the assistants of the gopis" are "falling down" -- left, right and center, is considered as severe offense / aparadha. Srila Prabhupada says that to think that the mahabhagavatas, pure devotees, diksha gurus, are subject to being "overcome by the material nature" is a SEVERE offense! OK, Rocana still has not explained when, where, or how his eleven gurus (or anyone else) was ever given the status of "sadhaka gurus" by Srila Prabhupada? Nor does Rocana tell us where Srila Prabhupada discusses SDG's whole system of sadhaka gurus, ummmm, because there is no such thing?
Many PADA readers write to say that in the current debate of PADA v. Rocana, the score so far is: PADA has made about five hundred points, Rocana has made about one percent of a counterpoint. Apparently, Rocana told one of his associates, "I hope PADA don't toss me in the briar patch ... again." Tee hee hee! Thanks pd
please
also see:
ROCANA WRITES WRONGS
Deconstructing Rocana by PADA
Rocana's Masquerade The Sampradaya Sun
Exposé
Rocana's Posthumous Church - The Church
Of Ritvik
Rocana's and Iskcons bogus philosophy -
PADA DEBATES ROCANA
Reply
to Rocana dasa's speculation about chanting mantras and preaching in South India
Chant Hare
Krishna and be happy!
All glories to His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada!
