Rocana contradicts Srila Prabhupada's teachings

Rocana says: "the eternal guru" is "ridiculous"

 

Rocana das
Rocana das

ROCANA WRITES WRONGS
From PADA Newsletter - 27. October, 2007
From: angel108b@yahoo.com (Puranjana)


INTRODUCTION

1) ROCANA'S FALSE "GURU" LINEAGE
2) SRIDHARA MAHARAJA/ ROCANA'S GURU REFORM
3) ROCANA'S "INDIA BODY GURU" IDIOCY
4) WHY IS ROCANA HIDING HIS GURU'S IDENTITY?
5) KUNDALI's TIMELY RETREAT
6) SHOW BOTTLE BLUFFERS
7) ROCANA CONFUTES HIMSELF
8) ROCANA / KAILASHA'S SUPPORT FOR DEVIANT GURUS
9) ROCANA CITES NON-EXISTING PEOPLE (yes even more bluffing)
10) ROCANA CENSORS HUNDREDS OF LETTERS
11) ROCANA'S GURU HAS ONLY ONE DISCIPLE SINCE 1977 (major bluffers)
12) BOGUS ASTROLOGERS (more bluffing)

 

Introduction:

-- ROCANA: "If you study Srila Prabhupada's pastimes and hear his lectures, you can understand that this whole idea some of the Rtviks are presenting about how Srila Prabhupada is still present and never dies, and so on, is ridiculous. It is an idea borne of sentiment, but it is not a sentiment Srila Prabhupada taught us to express."

[PADA: Sorry Rocana, Srila Prabhupada constantly discusses how he is ETERNALLY (i.e. always) "in the presence" of his ("departed?") guru maharaja. Then again, Srila Prabhupada says the guru is "sad-guru" (eternal). That means the guru exists forever. Srila Prabhupada says many similar things such as: "So although a physical body is not present, the vibration should be accepted as the presence of the Spiritual Master, vibration. What we have heard from the Spiritual Master, that is living." (lecture, 69/01/13) These and hundreds of similar citations are Srila Prabhupada's "mundane sentimentalism"? Rocana says "the eternal guru" is "ridiculous" and he has reverted to the bogus Gaudiya Matha idea, "the asat guru." Then again, the diksha guru "absorbs the sins" and what we find with Rocana's "living gurus" is that they can barely save themselves from their own sins.

Never mind the fact that Rocana has NO IDEA how pure devotees either can or cannot communicate with one other, or with their sincere neophyte disciples, on the spiritual plane. Rocana simply denies that "spiritual communion" can function without the physical "material" elements. Here in town we have "Madame Clair, psychic reader," and even she knows that one can communicate with other souls, either with or without their needing a physical body. Nor has Rocana ever made any shastric analysis of any of these points. Sorry, the pure spiritual beings do not require the "physical" (material) elements to communicate with one another, or with their sincere (even neophyte) disciples.

Madame Clair has more spiritual idea than Rocana. Narayana Maharaja says essentially the same thing, God and Guru are impotent without their "physical bodies." That is apa-siddhanta. Then again, since Rocana is leaving the job of "absorbing sins" to his ersatz Jesus the good news is that -- just about everyone -- is finally realizing this is not working, since the conditioned souls (i.e. neophyte devotees) are FORBIDDEN to try to absorb the sins of others. And Srila Prabhupada says those who try to artificially act in that capacity will meet with odious results, as we are seeing practically with Rocana's so-called living guru's sabha.

* Srila Prabhupada: "Today, Sunday, November 10, 1974 -- corresponding to the 10th of Kartikka, Caitanya Era 488, the eleventh day of the dark fortnight, the Rama-ekadasi -- we have now finished the English translation of Sri Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami's Sri Caitanya-caritamrta in accordance with the authorised order of His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur Gosvami Maharaja, my beloved eternal spiritual master, guide and friend. Although according to material vision His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Prabhupada passed away from this material world on the last day of December, 1936, I still consider His Divine Grace to be always present with me by his vani, his words."

Rocana says Srila Prabhupada is speaking mundane sentimentalism because there is no such thing as the "eternal guru." Guru means: posthumous, dead and not present? No, Srila Prabhupada wanted his followers to adopt his idea that the guru (i.e. himself) is eternally living, and thus the guru will living along with his followers -- forever. Rocana says Srila Prabhupada's process is "sentimental." Sorry, the guru is eternally present -- in his words, his books, his deity, and so on. Of course if Rocana can find a nice misogynist whose bogus astrology readings say that California is due to sink in the Pacific ocean next week, then Rocana falls off his chair and he thinks he has met his eternal fortune-telling psychic idol.

At the same time NOTICE, Srila Prabhupada never mentions that he was going to name, appoint or designate any "living gurus" to be worshiped after his departure? Tamal Krishna admits to this in December of 1980, "You can bet your bottom dollar that if Srila Prabhupada had wanted 'gurus' for after his departure, he would have spoke about this for days, weeks, months, how he wanted a (living guru) system and how this was going to be set up." No, rather Srila Prabhupada said REPEATEDLY that he was NOT going to name anyone as gurus. Moreover Srila Prabhupada said that the Gaudiya Matha's premature guru process was offensive and "we should not commit the same mistake in ISKCON." (SPL 1974) Nor does Rocana give any explanation for the fact that so many people are taking up our Prabhupadanuga idea to worship Srila Prabhupada, and they are being inspired to do so much service to Krishna despite his so-called "physical departure." Of course Rocana's Moab, Utah guru has made only one disciple since 1977, a disciple he had to steal from us. Meanwhile we have made many thousands of Prabhupadanugas in the same time period, and more are joining our idea every day, so it is pretty clear whose idea is "living" and whose is "dead."]

* Srila Prabhupada: "It is not that he (Srila Saraswati) is dead and gone, this is not spiritual understanding."

* Srila Prabhupada: "He lives Forever by his instructions and the follower lives with him."

* Srila Prabhupada: "I will liver forever in my books and you will utilize."

* Srila Prabhupada: There are two conceptions, the physical conception and the vibrational conception. The physical conception is temporary. The vibrational conception is eternal. [...] When we feel separation from Krsna or the Spiritual Master, we should just try to remember their words or instructions, and we will no longer feel that separation. Such association with Krsna and the Spiritual Master should be association by vibration not physical presence. That is real association. (Elevation to Krsna Consciousness, (BBT 1973), Page 57)

* Srila Prabhupada: So after publishing three parts of (Srimad Bhagatam) readings(?), then automatically, Guru Maharaja gave me indication that "Now you can start for America." (February 15, 1971 710215BA.GOR)

-- ROCANA: "Srila Prabhupada did not hesitate to mention the departure of his Spiritual Master. He did not mince words, saying that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati lived on forever, and had never disappeared, just to create some false sentimental appearance of understanding that the Spiritual Master lives on in his instructions."

[PADA: Amazing, Srila Saraswati Thakura appeared to Srila Prabhupada in a dream -- after -- his so-called physical departure, and told him to take sannyasa. And then later on Srila Saraswati told Srila Prabhupada to go to America (see quote above). Now Rocana says, Srila Prabhupada's feeling the presence of his guru, and his taking DIRECT instruction from his "departed" guru -- is all nonsense. Narayana Maharaja says the same thing, the dreams and instructions from Srila Saraswati to Srila Prabhupada "is nothing." Rocana thinks that the eternal presence of God and guru is "nothing." Why is Madame Clair a more faithful person than Rocana ever will be? Srila Prabhupada says his guru is eternally present, Rocana says Srila Prabhupada's guru is not present at all, and that for Srila Prabhupada to feel the presence of his guru is "the bogus church of posthumous guru," who is right?]

* Srila Prabhupada: Therefore we should take advantage of the Vani, not the physical presence. (Letter to Suci Devi Dasi, 4/11/75)

[PADA: Of course, if Rocana can find some nice misogynistic bogus astrologer, who hides in Moab, Utah waiting for the atom bombs to drop, along with one similarly paranoid follower, and who stole his only, sole, single disciple from us, then Rocana bows down and thinks he has met the next Jesus of Nazareth. Apparently, Srila Prabhupada should never have come to America since this instruction "is nothing." This means Rocana says it is bogus that Krishna consciousness came to the USA, since the "order" came after 1936! How can Srila Prabhupada receive instructions from his guru after 1936, if Srila Saraswati is "no longer present" -- according to Rocana? At least now we know where one's sins will be absorbed at. Rocana says, "Mail in all your sins to Eric Johanssen in Moab, Utah, and they will be absorbed, you are now in the clear. Do not forget to add the fifty dollars tithe." And then Rocana says we are "the Church idea," meanwhile Rocana thinks he has found the next Jesus who is going to "absorb the sins."

Actually Rocana is envious that Srila Prabhupada got the order from his "post-samadhi guru" to come to America, because then Srila Prabhupada made so many thousands of Prabhupadanugas who will never bow down to Rocana's Moab, Utah crack-pot guru. Rocana says that Srila Prabhupada's getting the order to come to America is bogus. That apparently means: Kailasha Chandra and Rocana are mad that Krishna consciousness even came to the West via Srila Prabhupada -- without any need for their officiating rubber stamp of approval. NOTICE that Rocana is also citing the Gaudiya Matha, "the order is nothing, who cares for the order of guru, we know better than guru." Of course, this is also how the Pharisees argued after Jesus was crucified, "Who says people can still be inspired by Jesus -- since he is dead and gone. This is Church idea." We are glad that Rocana admits he using the identical apa-siddhanta of the Pharisees, of course since Rocana supported the worship of ISKCON's Judas sabha he may have to wait to be as elevated as the Pharisees.]

-- ROCANA: "Instead, he called a spade a spade when referring to the fact that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta had departed. So this Rtvik conception that it is blasphemy to say Srila Prabhupada has departed is simply nonsense."

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada does call a spade a spade, he says that the people (like Rocana) who think that gurus like Srila Saraswati are "dead and gone" are: jackals stealing from the lion, fourth class men, bugs biting the king, severe offenders, hogs and dogs, cock roach gurus, guru mara vidya -- killers of guru, guru bhoghis, guru tyagis, guru aparadhis, pasandis, and so many other similar things. The ritviks have also never said that Srila Prabhupada has not physically departed. Rocana is so isolated from reality he has never heard of our forwarding the poison case which details the departure of Srila Prabhupada, of course then Rocana's being the amongst the enablers of the worship of Srila Prabhupada's evident attackers -- at least according to the relevant audio taped and other forensics.

Why doesn't Rocana quit hiding behind his puppet master in Moab, Utah and realize the larger world out here? What we actually said all along is: that the physical departure of the body (vapuh) of the guru is not the significant item since the main thing is to follow the words (vani) of the spiritual master. We also said, if the departure was forced by malefic actions, then we must take action to expose that. Rocana can only win an argument by straw man technique, he mis-cites us, but as we see above he also mis-cites Srila Prabhupada -- to beat up on Srila Prabhupada's points. Rocana even says Jesus is a bogus person because people worship him as "the Church idea," ooops, they forgot to worship Rocana's misogynist puppet masters.]

* Srila Prabhupada: So now, by the grace of Krishna and Caitanya Mahaprabhu and in the presence of my Guru Maharaja, you are so nice boys and girls. (Atlanta, March 2, 1975 750302BA.ATL)

[PADA: Notice, we are still "in the presence" of Srila Saraswati even though he "physically departed" in 1936.]

* Srila Prabhupada: So in the absence of physical presentation of the spiritual master, the Vaniseva is more important. My Spiritual Master Sarsavati Goswami, may appear to be physically not present, but still because I try to serve his instruction, I never feel separated from him. (Letter to Karandhara, 22/8/70)

* I am always with you. Never mind if I am physically absent. (Letter to Jayananda, 16/9/67)

* So that is called prakata, physically present. And there is another phrase, which is called aprakata, not physically present. But that does not mean, Krsna is dead or God is dead. That does not mean, prakata or aprakata, physically present or not present, it does not matter. (Lectures SB 73/12/11)

[PADA: Yep, sounds like bogus sentimentalism, the guru is eternal and not Rocana's postmortem dead guy, and/or his vaccuum cleaner salesman guru hiding out in Moab Utah. Notice also that Srila Prabhupada calls Rocana an atheist in the citation above, the atheists say God does not exist because "He is not physically present." Srila Prabhupada says that the guru is "shaksat hari," same as God in qualitiy, so when the guru is not present he is "postmortem" and thus "shaksat" God is also "postmortem" when God is not present. Why is Rocana trying to establish that God and guru are: dead?]

(1) ROCANA'S FALSE "GURU" LINEAGE

The Sridhara/ Narayana/ Gaura Govinda maharaja/ bogus GBC gurus/ Rocana/ et al. team has artificially claimed for many, many years -- that everyone (including Rocana) needs to have a current, physically present diksha guru. And Rocana's team originally based all of their idea on their mis-interpretation of "The July 9th letter" which they claimed had "appointed" eleven diksha gurus. And the result of Rocana's team mis-interpreting the July 9th letter was that deviants, criminals, homosexuals, child molesters and even murderers were being worshiped as Rocana's team's "gurus" in ISKCON. Of course Sridhara Maharaja had already started a similar bogus "guru appointment" problem in the post-1936 Gaudiya Matha, and so he became the darling "advisor" of Rocana's post-1977 bogus ISKCON gurus. Srila Prabhupada told us, do not go to the Gaudiya Matha, but Rocana began immersing in their bogus idealogy and he still is.

What these combined deviants failed to realize is that the post of initiating (diksha) guru requires special benediction from the Lord, not merely the votes from some bogus committee: "On the whole you may know that he (Bon Maharaja) is not a liberated person, and therefore he cannot initiate any person to Krishna Consciousness. It requires special benediction from higher authorities." (Srila Prabhupada Letter to Janardana, 26/4/68) Srila Prabhupada also says that "mundane votes have no juristiction over the acharyas." Whereas the Sridhara/ Narayana/ Gaura Govinda maharaja/ bogus GBC gurus/ Rocana/ et al. team has created the spectacle that their "guru" becomes wayward and then their "committee" has to guide their wayward guru back to "following the basics." In sum, their policy is that: Jesus needs to votes of the Pharisees before he can speak. Some call this atheism.

Oddly, Rocana now says that those of us who resisted his team's wild speculation on the July 9th letter, and the criminal enterprise Rocana launched in the name of guru "have never understood the July 9th letter." Sorry, that letter does not mention the Sridhara/ Narayana/ Gaura Govinda maharaja/ bogus GBC gurus/ Rocana/ et al. team's immediate "diksha gurus after I depart" process. The July 9th letter merely indicates temporary and replaceable proxies, not guru successors. Thus, the process of the Governing Body ordered by Srila Prabhupada was scuttled, and without proper managing this resulted in -- widespread criminality.

* Paramananda: We're always feeling your presence very strongly, Srila Prabhupada, simply by your teachings and your instructions. We're always meditating on your instructions.

* Srila Prabhupada: Thank you. That is the real presence. Physical presence is not important.

(Room Conversation, Vrndavana, 6/10/77)

Unfortunately, the Sridhara/ Narayana/ Gaura Govinda maharaja/ bogus GBC gurus/ Rocana/ et al. team's idea is the complete opposite of Srila Prabhupada's, the deviants say that the "physically present body" is the whole thing. Unfortunately, they usually insist that we need to worship a deviant's "living body." Srila Prabhupada says that people like Sridhara Maharaja make false gurus and then they "insist" that everyone has to accept their conditioned soul guru. Srila Prabhupada never said he wanted his disciples to jump up and artificially "act as guru," and start "Gaudiya Matha's deviant guru imbroglio part two."

Srila Prabhupada: "If everyone just initiates there will be contradictory result. As long as it goes on, there will be only failure." (Srila Prabhupada's Phalgun Krishnan Pancami, verse 23, 1961). Srila Prabhupada says clearly, the Sridhara/ Narayana/ Gaura Govinda Maharaja/ bogus GBC gurus/ Rocana plan WILL ONLY BE FAILURE. In fact, we have never even needed the (additional) evidence of the July 9th letter per se. That letter merely confirms what Srila Prabhupada had already been saying in hundreds of other places since 1965, that after his departure he was only going to make a body of administrators for ISKCON, and not gurus.

Interviewer: What happens when that inevitable time comes a successor is needed.

Ramesvara: He is asking about the future, who will guide the Movement in the future.

Srila Prabhupada: They will guide, I am training them.

Interviewer: Will there be one spiritual leader though?

Srila Prabhupada: No. I am training GBC, 18 all over the world. (Srila Prabhupada Interview, 10/6/76, Los Angeles)

PADA: Where is there any order for "diksha gurus"? We offered a $108,000 reward for any proof of any appointment of any gurus by Srila Prabhupada, and no one came forward to collect the reward, certainly not bluffers like Kailasha and Rocana. Srila Prabhupada simply did not emphasize that his followers would be gurus anytime soon, rather he emphasized the need for them to keep the FOCUS on him and his instructions and writings: "He lives forever by his instructions, and the follower lives with him; I will live forever in my books and you will utilize; So there is nothing to be said new. Whatever I have to speak, I have spoken in my books. Now you try to understand it and continue your endeavour. Whether I am present or not present it doesn't matter." (Srila Prabhupada Arrival conversation, 17/5/77, Vrindavan)

Srila Prabhupada is not saying, "I will live on -- in my successor gurus, who will be writing their own books etc." He was rather emphasizing that his followers were neophytes who would still be very much dependent upon his instructions, books, worship and so on. "As far as my blessing is concerned, it does not require my physical presence. If you are chanting Hare Krishna there, and following my instructions, reading the books, taking only Krishna prasadam etc., then there is no question of your not receiving the blessings of Lord Caitanya, whose mission I am humbly trying to push on." (SP Letter to Govinda Dasi, 18/8/69) Oddly, Rocana's team sometimes agrees with us that at the present time no one is pure enough to write Vedic books as Srila Prabhupada did. If Rocana's gurus are not pure enough to write the Vedas, then how are they gurus? And so we have countered the Sridhara/ Narayana/ Gaura Govinda maharaja/ bogus GBC gurus/ Rocana/ et al. team -- all along -- by asking: please identify "who" are your current, physically present "living gurus"? And why can't people still get the blessings of Srila Prabhupada even now?

Of course we already know that the Sridhara/ Narayana/ Gaura Govinda maharaja/ bogus GBC gurus/ Rocana/ et al. team's first wave of post-1977 "living gurus" were the ilk of women abusers (misogynists), homosexuals, criminals and pedophiles like Kirtanananda. This was their original idea of what a "guru" is. In sum, their team has duplicated the post-1936 Gaudiya Matha's false guru process. The Gaudiya Matha's deviant's plan was to make false gurus and this process divided the Gaudiya Matha, and now the above folks are contiunuing that process in ISKCON which now has similar "guru factions."

SRILA PRABHUPADA: "Those disciples who were irresolute in performing devotional service according to your instructions have now divided your mission in many factions. It appears that the tigress of ambition for material names and fame has appeared and personally provoked this upheaval. ... The essential purport of your message obviously did not enter their ears." Srila Prabhupada says that supporters of the false guru processes, like Rocana, had never heard his message in the first place.


2) SRIDHARA MAHARAJA / ROCANA'S GURU REFORM

Then in 1986 Sridhara and Narayana Maharajas encouraged Rocana's "guru reform," so they could foist unlimited waves upon waves of even more of their creepy criminals, homosexuals, and women abusers to be "voted in" as ISKCON's successive WAVES of "pure devotee" gurus. How did you guess, the post-1936 Gaudiya Matha also started the same subsequent "waves and waves" of false gurus after their first wave started crashing on the beach. Never mind that Rocana has never explained how "pure devotees" whom his group first advertised to be "like Jesus, Haridasa and Prahlad" could need "reform," and excommunication, and would need to then be replaced by another wave of "gurus"? And how could a pure devotee guru be "voted in" by the first wave -- if they are deviants? These are merely a few of thousands of questions that Rocana never answers, because he cannot.

As a result of Rocana's "guru reform policy," then folks like Gopal Krishna swami were "voted in" as the next tier of ISKCON's gurus. And Rocana graduated to promoting Gopal Krishna swami as his "living guru," despite he was "voted in" by other misogynists like Kirtanananda. Srila Prabhupada explains that Rocana's "more waves of gurus" plan is simply "another man comes, then another and another (to be guru) and in this way they killed guru to become gurus themselves." Rocana's plan of making false gurus is killing the actual guru. Rocana's team are like cult leaders such as Charles Manson, David Koresh, Jim Jones: "You cannot worship Jesus, you have to worship us deviants." Then again Rocana's gurus are "voted in" -- which is how the Vatican "votes" for the Pope. None of this was ever authorized by Srila Prabhupada. Rcoana never replies to any questions on these issues.

Worse, Rocana's second wave of gurus like Gopal Krishna swami seemed to be almost as bad as the first wave. For example Gopal Krishna's swami's wife complained she had been kicked in her stomach while she was pregnant by the "swami." This is "pure behavior" for Rocana's new "gurus"? And the pattern continues, Rocana is now promoting Kailasha Chandra as his current living guru, and we all know why, here is YET another person who has a history of mistreating ISKCON women as Kailasha mistreated Jadurani. In short, we already know that whatever so-called "living guru" will emerge from Rocana's heap of gurus, that guru will more than likely be another one of Rocana's misogynistic gurus. Then again Narayana Maharaja abandoned his child wife just after she had a baby, Kirtanananda mistreated women, Gopal Krishna kicked his pregnant wife, Kailasha Chandra acted like a bully tyrant towards his wife (so she left him), these are the heros of guys like Rocana.


3) ROCANA'S "INDIA BODY GURU" IDIOCY

In later 1979, Gopal Krishna said we need to worship some "Indian bodied gurus." He threatened the eleven "white boy" gurus that they had better make him a guru or else Gopal Krishna would "destroy them in India." Needless to say, "the eleven white boys" ran off to hold an emergency meeting and vote in Gopal Krishna forthwith, out of fear of his threats. Rocana then became a big flag waver for Gopal Krishna. Rocana has promoted that gurus are white boys, India boys, and so on and so forth. No wonder he now thinks bogus astrologers with one stolen disciple are bona fide gurus.

On 2nd November 1977, just twelve days before his disappearance, Srila Prabhupada was asked about his "successor." Prabhupada: (Some Indians had asked) 'After you who will take the leadership?' Everyone will take, all my disciples. If you want, you can take also. (Laughter) But if you follow. They are prepared to sacrifice everything, so they'll take the leadership. I may, one, may go away, but there will be hundreds, and they'll preach. If you want, you can also become a leader. We have no such thing, that 'here is (the next) leader.' Anyone who follows the previous leadership, he is a leader. 'Indian,' we have no such distinctions, 'Indian,' 'European.'</P>

Brahmananda: They wanted an Indian to be the leader?

Prabhupada: Yes. Everyone, all my disciples, they are leaders. As purely as they follow, they become a leader. 'You are Indian but you don't want (to follow strictly).' I told them that.

Tamala Krishna: Yes, they probably wanted to propose somebody who would take over our movement.

Appointment: all nonsense. Prabhupada: "Yes. 'Leaders.' All nonsense. Leader means one who has become first class disciple. He is leader. Evam parampara praptam. One who is perfectly following... Our instruction is ara na kariha mane asa. You know this? What is that? Guru mukha padma vakya, cittete kariya aikya, ara na kariha mane asa. Who is leader? A leader, to become leader, is not very difficult, provided one is prepared to follow the instructions."

Additionally, in the same conversation, Srila Prabhupada remarked to an Indian gentleman, "Only Chaitanya Mahaprabhu (an incarnation of Krishna) can take my place. He will take care of the movement."


4) WHY IS ROCANA HIDING HIS GURU'S IDENTITY?

In any case, we NOW know why Rocana currently refuses to give us the NAME of his alleged living guru, because we keep exposing his "worship of misogynists" process, and so he cleverly does not tell us he is worshiping yet another women abuser. Rocana knows that as soon as he identifies his so-called living guru, we will examine his character and so on, and so to avoid any futher critical analysis of his bogus gurus he simply refuses to tell us "who" his living guru is nowadays. This is actually a good sign, we have forced Rocana to be more humble and quit making so much false propaganda for his false gurus. Now Rocana hides out, Kailasha hides out, and the identity of their guru remains hidden, that is because they fear our expose of their long line of bogus gurus and resultant criminal mayhem, molesting, murders and so on. Sorry, we know that Eric Johanssen is a pen name.


5) KUNDALI's TIMELY RETREAT

And how did you guess, Rocana is not the only bluffer in this group -- people that refuse to give us "the name" of their alleged living gurus -- probably because we will be able to identify Rocana's guru's misogynist tendencies. Similarly, Rocana's pal Kundali also loudly advertised (on Rocana's site) that he too has "a living guru." Then Kundali proved to be yet another major bluffer, he refused to give us the name of his alleged guru. However, we might get a hint of Kundali's "living guru's" actual identity. Kundali was praising the Gaudiya Matha's founder fathers of the 1936 homosexual, and misogynist's, and orchestrated murder, guru imbroglio. Most likely Kundali is a supporter of the deviant post-1936 homosexual's guru lineage process. And this is probably why Rocana has been promoting Kundali, anyone who advocates for the worship of deviants, homosexuals and misogynists as "Krishna's successors" is an ally to Rocana.

Perhaps PADA's "challenge to Kundali to identify his living guru" is the reason why Kundali no longer writes anymore. We at PADA had severely frustrated Kundali by asking him, over and over, to -- name -- his alleged living guru, and he was unable to come up with any name whatsoever. In other words, Kundali was simply another big bluffer and that is the kind of person Rocana likes to promote on his web site. So whether it is Rocana, Kailasha or Kundali, we find that Rocana's major allies nowadays never specify the identities of their alleged living gurus, they are all united as being big bluffers. They know as soon as they "identify" their alleged guru BY NAME, we will probably be able to point out that their guru is a deviant, women abuser, if not a criminal, pedophile, homosexual, etc. In sum it now seems that the real reason the Rocana team are not openly "giving us the name" of their "living gurus" is that we keep finding that they are simply promoting: (a) Rocana's misogynist's post-1977 "guru" wave number one, (b) Rocana's "reformed" misogynists and pedophiles guru wave number two, (c) the "gurus" voted in by the Rocana's first wave of pedophiles and deviants, wave number three, and so on.

SRILA PRABHUPADA: "Your so-called disciple, the jackal named Ananta Vasudeva, disobeyed your final instructions to keep the mission united (by forming a Governing Body), and thereby created a scandalous fiasco. The result of this philosophical deviation is evident to this day as imitative sahajiyas are being worshiped as gurus in your temples. ... Is there a single temple to be found where your instructions are still being followed? As it is said: "punar musiko bhava"- Everyone has "again become a mouse." The lion's food has been stolen away by the deceptive tricks of the jackal. Now caught in Maya's mighty clutches everyone is reduced to wailing and weeping."

PADA: Rocana's false gurus "have reduced everyone to wailing and weeping." And he is proud of this! And now we know how these jackals are able to steal the guru's seat, they have big apologists, cheer leaders, and allies like Sridhara/ Narayana/ Bogus GBC/ Rocana etc. At least we have done something to counteract Rocana's jackal guru process in ISKCON, while none of the Gaudiya Matha temples went back to exclusive worship of Srila Saraswati, we Prabhupadanugas are gradually converting many ISKCON devotees and even some ISKCON temples back to worship of his divine grace. We are doing what Sridhara Maharaja and his pals never could dream of doing.


6) SHOW BOTTLE BLUFFERS

In point of fact, we find all of these people get quite angry when we ask them to identify their alleged living gurus because we keep exposing their gurus as frauds. As Srila Prabhupada says, this proves that they are jackal gurus and in sum "show-bottle bluffers." They currently have little desire to promote the names of their living gurus, that means they are now trying to promote themselves as the "living authorities" and they are merely using the "living guru" argument to leverage themselves up to the post of "living link to Krishna." You need a living authority, ummm, OK it's me! Yes, you need to surrender to and worship the people who promoted women abusers, homosexuals, pedophiles and murderers as "living gurus."


7) ROCANA CONFUTES HIMSELF

Oddly, Rocana and his "living guru-ites" team simultaneously confute their own "living guru" argument and they join with us (and/or the ritviks) by saying that Srila Prabhupada is "the current sampradaya acharya." In sum, Rocana sometimes promotes our arguments, then he says anyone who agrees with his own argument -- is a deviant. Is Rocana is trying to create confusion so he can slip in another woman abuser as his next guru? Not only Rocana but sometimes even the biggest bogus GBC gurus like Sivarama will admit that we are ALL supposed to act as "siksha (instructing) devotees" (aka ritviks). Rocana tries to confuse people by supporting both our view (that Srila Prabhupada is the current guru link) and the bogus guru's views (that Srila Prabhupada's still conditioned followers are the current guru links). This is amazing, if we agree with Rocana that Srila Prabhupada is the current sampradaya acharya, he says we are "foolish sentimentalists." He is speaking in forked tongue, ummm, which is the behavior of Satan is it not?

Nothing new, this is what Gaudiya Matha deviants like Narayana Maharaja do this all the time. "Yes, Srila Prabhupada is the current sampradaya acharya, but you need a -- living guru, hey how about some of our nice misogynists -- to link to Krishna, and I have volunteered myself and other fools like the bogus GBC gurus to do that job." So it is interesting that these bluffers sometimes use our argument, that Srila Prabhupada is the current link, that we need to act as shiksha and ritvik devotees, then they will say Srila Prabhupada is not the current link and anyone who thinks he is -- is "a ritvik not case," so they can imply that they or their misogynist pals are the current link and all this so: they can confuse and victimize the innocent.


8) ROCANA / KAILASHA'S SUPPORT FOR DEVIANT GURUS

Let us not forget however that folks like Rocana and Narayana Maharaja actively supported the regime of the worship of homosexual peodphiles like Kirtanananda as "God's living links," and that Kailasha Chandra wrote a paper to support the homosexual pedophile's guru regime in 1990. In sum, the hands of people like Rocana, Narayana Maharaja and Kailasha are full of the blood of many victims, and they have not ever acknowledged their crime of aiding and abetting the worship of criminals and child molesters as Krishna's guru successors. Rocana always claims that he wants "accountability," but he has never been accountable for his own supporting of the worship of child molesters as God's "living gurus." So these people are all bluffers, they never publicly apologize for their crimes of supporting the worship of pedophiles as "living gurus."


9) ROCANA CITES NON-EXISTING PEOPLE


(yes even more bluffing). At the same time NOTICE, Rocana's frequent posters "Parampara dasa" and "Balavidya dasa" do not seem to exist. No one has ever heard of these two indivuduals. Rocana refuses to identify who they are. It seems that these two names are non-existing persons, i.e. "pen names" for Rocana and/or Kailasha Chandra. Both of these (non-existing?) folks has also refused to identify their living gurus, despite that we asked them to provide the names.


10) ROCANA CENSORS HUNDREDS OF LETTERS

Rocana refuses to post letters from us, most ritviks, Praghosa, Yasodanandana and many others, he ALWAYS promotes the writings (and guru status) of Kailasha Chandra dasa. For example, when we see articles written by "Eric Johanssen" on Rocana's web site this was probably written by Kailasha Chandra. Then again the names "Eric Johanssen," "Parampara dasa" and "Balavidya dasa" are also thought to be pen names for Kailasha Chandra.


11) ROCANA'S GURU HAS ONLY ONE DISCIPLE SINCE 1977!

Now it turns out that Rocana has finally identified his "living guru." Rocana is more and more exclusively posting the writings of Kailasha Chandra dasa and his alter pen names, so this is the guru Rocana is currently promoting, although sometimes Rocana promotes the writings of other ISKCON gurus like Sivarama, Bhakti Marga and others, Kailasha has emerged as the principle personality on Rocana's web site -- by volume of posts.

As we all know, PADA editor was living in Berkeley and we preached to Hansadutta's followers to accept Srila Prabhupada as their guru, and we had great success there. One of the people we convinced to accept Srila Prabhupada as his guru was "Vrndavana Chandra dasa" (Eric Johanssen)." Then Kailasha Chandra suddenly appeared on the scene, declared that he was "a living guru," and he "re-initiated" Hansadutta's former disciple "Vrdnavana Chandra" as "Riktaharsana dasa."

Oddly, people often confuse this name and they ask PADA, "Why did Kailasha name his only disicple 'Ritvik-harsana'"? In other words, since 1977 Rocana's guru has made only one disciple, and he had to steal that disciple from us! Meanwhile we have made THOUSANDS of Prabhupadanugas. Srila Prabhupada says these false gurus Gaudiya Matha who have a few dozen disciples are "cock roach gurus," well Rocana's program is not even up to the standard of the lice that reside on the back of the cock roach. ONE GUY is all you can convince since 1977!


12) BOGUS ASTROLOGERS

Now Kailasha Chandra --and his promoter Rocana -- say that the process of the worship of Srila Prabhupada (the ritvik idea) "transmits nescience." Meanwhile, Kailiash Chandra is always hiding out some remote area, waiting for WW III, and/or "the big earthquake" which he says: will sink the Western USA. Then again, Kailasha spouts numerous other fake, bogus, charlatan "doomsday scenarios" all according to Kailasha's bogus "astrology readings" and "prediction" over the years. Are not all these false predictions "tranmission of nescience"? Was not Bhakti Tirtha always talking about the fact that the Lost Continent of Mu would re-surface and that the aliens were coming and so on and so forth?

Srila Prabhupada says that in Vedic times, a person giving these false predictions (and making people move all over the USA seeking shelter from Kailasha's various alleged "end of the world" scenarios) would be arrested and punished by the righteous king. Of course nowadays anyone who renders false astrology readings is glorified by folks like Rocana.

Only Harikesha's bogus doomsday predictions could top the Kailasha/ Rocana process. No wonder Rocana is attracted to this crack pot astrologer, just like he was originally attracted to support Kirtanananda in 1978. Are not these deviant astrologers "transmitting nescience" -- not to speak of fear mongering, like the bogus politicians are always doing? We are telling people to worship Srila Prabhupada, read his books, and accept him as one's guru, and Rocana says worship of Srila Prabhupada is bogus and "nescience."


 

please also see:

ROCANA NOT CLEAR
Deconstructing Rocana by PADA
Rocana's Masquerade The Sampradaya Sun Exposé
Rocana's Posthumous Church - The Church Of Ritvik
Rocana's and Iskcons bogus philosophy - PADA DEBATES ROCANA
Reply to Rocana dasa's speculation about chanting mantras and preaching in South India

 


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All glories to His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada!