Ajamila Dasa Adhikari –
brainless Madman of the yuga
Dear Ajamila prabhu,
PAMHO. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Cheating and breaking
regulative principles are the gurudrohi’s foundation
Srila Prabhupada’s preaching structure is destroyed by the first generation
With conspicuous absence of brains, intelligence, and sanity
Changevadis pitch on their blasphemous absurdity
(Well, at least this poem is not as boring as all your
blasphemous nonsense which unfortunately we are obliged to hear for just a little longer.)
Unless you support your answers with intelligence they
are asat, useless.
So you did fail to answer my
question 'with sastra' and I did not tell a lie. I would appreciate a Vaisnava apology.
“Amaanina maan denaa”, says God, “Give me
maan”, says Ajamila!
What else can be expected from a gurudrohi. Having rejected Srila Prabhupada, rejection of God
and God’s instructions are but a natural regression.
And for what does Ajamila want’s a vaisnava’s
forhead at his feet? - For his own lack of
intelligence for understanding fundamental English language!
Let me remind you of my
Question Two:
And let me remind you of your answer:
Now let me point out that in your answer above there is no mention of reference to guru,
sadhu, and sastra.
Hello! Excuse
me. Can we call in for a spot of brain material please.
Where is the question of reference to guru, sadhu and sastra (GSS), when your
original question doesn’t stand at all? In
Adri prabhu’s reply, he has very clearly shown your so called ‘law’ to be
not compatible to your whole claim about the very same ‘law’. Since your claim about the ‘law’ itself
is faulty, what need is there to even proceed? You
would do much better to first clean your own house and then only later call us for
inspection.
You have only given your
interpretation, which has no value. It is 'asat' useless. By your own omission of sastra
you have not answered my question and have consequently lost the debate.
By your own omission of brains you have made a laughing
stock of yourself and thus consequently disqualified yourself to participate in the
debate.
You have stated that the
(disciplic) law does not state that diksa must be taken from a 'physically living, present
on the planet' guru. But here is some sastra evidence that proves you wrong:
"As already stated, Brahma is the original spiritual master
for the universe, and since he was initiated by the Lord Himself, the message of
Srimad-Bhagavatam is coming down by disciplic succession, and in order to receive the real
message of Srimad-Bhagavatam one should approach the current link, or spiritual
master, in the chain of disciplic succession. After being initiated by the proper
spiritual master in that chain of succession, one should engage himself in the discharge
of tapasya in the execution of devotional service." (Srimad Bhagavatam, 2.9.7p)
Srila Prabhupada says that
one must approach the 'curent link' meaning the physically present spiritual master. This
is sastra. Your ritvik idea contradicts this and is therefore a concoction.
What my dear mudhadhisha makes you think Srila Prabhupada
is not the ‘current link’?
When someone comes in contact with ISKCON for the first
time, all the information about ISKCON and it’s philosophy that he gets is directly
formulated by Srila Prabhupada. The Books,
The Philosophy, The regulative Principles, The absolute necessity of chanting a minimum of
16 rounds of HK Mahamantra everything. Who
has created this wonderful preaching structure of ISKCON?
Srila Prabhupada. So anyone who comes
in contact with anything that is due Srila Prabhupada in ISKCON, is getting linked to
Vedic Spirituality via Srila Prabhupada.
Prove it otherwise if you insist to call Srila Prabhupada
a not “current link”.
And since Srila Prabhupada IS every living
entity in this planet’s current link to Sri Sri Radha and Krishna, he is THE GURU and
THE ACARYA.
We have all heard what you have to blabber, should we try
listening to what Sri Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead has to say? Hope you don’t mind.
sa vai sat-karmanam saksad
dvijater iha sambhavah
adyo ’nga yatrasraminam
yathaham jnana-do guruh
“My dear
friend, he who gives a person his physical birth is his first spiritual master, and he who
initiates him as a twice-born brahmana and engages him in religious duties is indeed more
directly his spiritual master. But the person who bestows transcendental knowledge upon
the members of all
the spiritual orders of society is one’s
ultimate spiritual master. Indeed, he is as good as My own self.” (Srimad Bhagavatam 10.80.32)
Sorry to break your slumber, but early in the morning
when the rest of us go for mangala arotik we do chant EVERYDAY, “saksad-haritvena”
in glorification of Srila Prabhupada.
And of-course the rest of humanity knows very well who is
the person whom Sri Krishna Caitanya Mahaprabhu considers His very own “senapati
bhakta” and how he is the personality responsible for “bestowing
transcendental knowledge (divya jnanam) upon the members of all the spiritual
orders of society”. Very sorry,
but.. ahem.. It’s our dear His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
Somehow or other the Supreme Personality of Godhead is
also of the opinion that we thereby should consider Srila Prabhupada as our “ultimate
spiritual master”. Very sorry again. But you see, we are helpless against the direct
order of the Supreme Lord.
"Krsna is the first spiritual master, and when we become more
interested, then we have to go to a physical spiritual master. That is enjoined in the
next verse. Tad viddhi pranipatena pariprasnena sevaya, upadeksyanti te jnanam jnaninas
tattva- darsinah. Now, Krsna advises that 'If you want to know that transcendental
science, then you just try to approach somebody.' Pranipatena. Pranipatena, pariprasnena
and sevaya. What is pranipata? Pranipata means surrender. Surrender. You must select a
person where you can surrender yourself because nobody likes to surrender to anyone."
(Srila Prabhupada lecture, August 14th 1966)
Srila Prabhupada says here
very clearly, "we have to go to a physical spiritual master." This is guru and
sastra. I'm sorry but we don't accept your interpretations. The above evidence is self
evident to those who are honest.
Hello! Have
we ever heard about the “ardha-kukkuti-nyaya”?
Or is it too sinful to hear about such things?
How about the “jnaninas tattva-darsinah” part? Shall we?
We are saying Srila Prabhupada is
“tattva-darsi”. There seem to be no
objection from anyone about this, not even from you.
But when you say your “rubber-stamped” gurus are tattva-darsi, your
‘living’ history shows that they are darsi never mind, but not of tattva, but of
Windle Turley class action lawsuit type. Excuse
me, but that exactly is not the kind of “tattva”, the Lord seem to be talking
for “darshan”. Would you beg to
differ? If you do, then we would like to draw
your kind attention to the 1986 official GBC report compiled by HH Giriraj Swami on
Bhavananda’s pastimes after having read which your GBC recoronated him as
“tattva-darshi”, “saksad-haritvena”, “nikunjo-yuno”,
“tatrati-daksyad”, “sum total of all demigods” guru. And in the same ceremony about 20 others were,
what Srila Prabhupada ridicules as “rubber-stamped” to be the same. And never mind who rubber-stamped them -- a bunch
of personalities whose ideas and activities were at that very time was being considered
questionable. (That’s the very reason
this new crop was being “voted-in” for.)
And as far as the “physical spiritual mater”
part that you seem to be finding in the section of the lecture that you quote, somehow
seems to be conspicuous by its absence. Instead
what Srila Prabhupada actually said here is, “You must select a person where you can
surrender yourself”.
So please tell me dear mudhadhisha, is Srila Prabhupada
‘a person’ or some vague white light? If
he is, then what objection do you have if most of the world likes to
“surrender” themselves to Srila Prabhupada?
(Plus as we saw Sri Krishna seems to be supporting this same idea too!)
So thank you for helping us by your quoting. Unfortunately due to being a gurudrohi, you are by
yourself unable to understand simple facts.
Srila Prabhupada said in
Room Conversation, Rome, 23 May, 1974:
"God is called caitya-guru, the spiritual master within the
heart. And the physical spiritual master is God's mercy. If God sees that you are sincere,
He will give you a spiritual master who can give you protection. He will help you from
within and without, without in the physical form of spiritual master, and within as the
spiritual master within the heart."
If the 'physical form of spiritual master' is irrelevant for diksa as you suggest then why has Srila Prabhupada even mentioned 'physical spiritual master' and 'the physical form of spiritual master' and so on in the above and other quotes? This evidence is guru and sastra and proves that one has to take diksa from a living diksa-guru.
Hello, no one is saying, ‘physical
form of spiritual master’ is irrelevant for diksha. Excuse me, but are you aware of a daily program in
current ISKCON called morning guru puja? Generally
it is been observed that devotees perform Srila Prabhupada’s physical form’s
arotik and offer him flowers and pay dandavat obeisances unto him.
You cannot say, Srila Prabhupada is “not
there”. Since if you say so, then you
are accusing GBCs of misleading millions of vaisnavas into wasting their valuable time
worshiping dead matter.
And if you say, Srila Prabhupada is “actually
there”, then we all can see his ‘physical form’, which is regularly bathed,
anointed, decorated, garlanded, worshiped and bhoga offered to. So what’s your problem dear mudhadisha?
And as Srila Prabhupada says in the above quoted room
conversation, “He will give you a spiritual master who
can give you protection”. Who do
you think GBCs advise the devotees of “fallen gurus” to seek protection
of? Interestingly enough, before
‘diksha’ also all aspirants are advised by this very GBCs to seek protection of
the same person. So if one is supposed to
seek protection of Srila Prabhupada before and after, then one seriously wonders, why this
protection is being arranged by the GBCs to be mysteriously blocked in the middle?
And moreover what kind of ‘special’ protection
is this which the GBCs impose on us, where while surrendering ‘fully’ to
our rubber-stamped-diksha-guru, we are simultaneously supposed to keep in mind that,
“if my guru falls, I should not side him, but instead side the GBC Body”? One side I surrender fully, and on the other side
GBCs implant this element of doubt in me. Is
this a joke?
"But here it is said clearly that 'You have to surrender to a
person.' That means you have to find out such a person where you can voluntarily
surrender. Without finding, your mission will not be fulfilled. Not only surrender, not
blindly surrender. You must be able to inquire. Pariprasna. The next qualification is
pariprasna. Pariprasna means inquiry. Without inquiry, you cannot make advance."
(Srila Prabhupada's lecture on Bhagavad-gita 4.34, New York, 14 August, 1966)
Again in the above quote
Srila Prabhupada emphasises, "you have to find out such a person where you can
voluntarily surrender." This is the process and is the unbroken tradition in our line
which you are wrongly trying to break.
So anyone who has come in contact with ISKCON has already
found “such a person where” he “can voluntarily surrender”. Is there anybody greater than Srila Prabhupada in
ISKCON? So what is the difficulty? Everybody can surrender to Srila Prabhupada. And practically also we see that everybody DOES
surrender unto Srila Prabhupada. Every ISKCON
devotee - be he resident or congregational, if he is of good standing, does follow the
rules laid by Srila Prabhupada. Chanting 16
rounds, honoring only prasadam, following 4 regulative principles and reading and
distributing Srila Prabhupada’s books. And
this is the living proof of every ISKCON devotee’s surrender to Srila Prabhupada. Thus we see that the “unbroken
tradition” of surrendering to a bonafide spiritual master (as a matter of fact
ULTIMATE SPIRITUAL MASTER who is saksad-haritvena and who has been sent by Caitanya
Mahaprabhu for this purpose) is still and will continue to be practically followed in
ISKCON.
Next question is of ‘pariprasna’,
‘Inquiry’. Any kid in ISKCON will
tell you that you can walk up to Srila Prabhupada’s murty, pay him your respectful
obeisances and then you can talk with him. AND
SRILA PRABHUPADA DOES RECIPROCATE. This is a worldwide proven phenomenon thousand
times over. Every new-bhakta in any part of
the world, who has shaven up to join will vouch for this.
Of-course, then he may come in contact with likes of
yours and be forced to assume that Srila Prabhupada is actually DEAD. Since he will start hearing blasphemous words like
POST SAMADHI, POSTHUMOUS, PREVIOUS ACARYA, OLD LINK etc. being used to refer to Srila
Prabhupada. But if Srila Prabhupada is DEAD,
then why are you making us worship him daily?
Just because you have rejected him, just because you
cannot bear to see him living and actively being present in thousands of devotees' day to
day life, why do you impose your cataract vision on us?
You don’t want to see, so you don’t see.
But the rest of the world can. How
else is it that thousands are taking up to the process of chanting 16 rounds and offering
bhoga with love and devotion all over the world simply by reading Srila Prabhupada’s
books alone? How do you explain the claim of
thousands the world over, of Srila Prabhupada regularly appearing in their dreams and
guiding and motivating them spiritually? They
are not zombies, they chant 16 rounds and follow four regulative principles. They are vaisnavas – from various
‘prithivi te ache jato nagar adi gram’.
And of course the moment we say ‘inquiry’, it
is imperative that we are talking about ‘siksha’.
So siksha gurus there are many. No
problems! And all siksha gurus of ISKCON will
give you siksha based on their extensive study of Srila Prabhupada’s books. So what is the difficulty? Srila Prabhupada’s body is spiritual. ISKCON is Srila Prabhupada’s body. And ISKCON devotees (and not the furniture) make
up ISKCON. And devotees are conscious beings. This is further proof that Srila Prabhupada’s
manifest body for next 10,000 years is spiritual where every part of his body is alive
that preaches his divine words and instructions throughout the world.
Here is another quote from
Srila Prabhupada from a purport in Srimad-Bhagavatam Seventh Canto:
"To practice bhakti-yoga, one must first accept a bona fide
spiritual master.”
So what is the problem?
When someone comes in contact with ISKCON, he comes in contact with the bonafide
spiritual master -- Srila Prabhupada through his Institution, his books and his devotees. And the moment someone accepts the above, his
practicing of bhakti-yoga process begins. Any
difficulty?
Srila Rupa Gosvami, in his Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu 1.2.74-75),
advises:
"One's first duty is to accept a bona fide spiritual master.
The student or disciple should be very inquisitive; he should be eager to know the
complete truth about eternal religion (sanatana-dharma). The words guru-susrusaya mean
that one should personally serve the spiritual master by giving him bodily comforts,
helping him in bathing, dressing, sleeping, eating and so on. This is called
guru-susrusanam. A disciple should serve the spiritual master as a menial servant, and
whatever he has in his possession should be dedicated to the spiritual master." (SB
7.7.30-31, purport)
One wonders how many of HH Jayapataka maharaja’s
thousands of male and female ‘disciples’ “personally
serve the spiritual master by giving him bodily comforts, helping him in bathing,
dressing, sleeping, eating and so on”? It
is ridiculous! You never do it. It is logistically not even possible. Yet you quote such texts. But, yes, everyone all over the world, whether
prabhu, child or mata, can with all love and devotion born out of genuine appreciation can
perform all the above activities on Srila Prabhupada’s physical living murty form.
And “This is called guru-susrusanam.”
Life becomes so ecstatic when you accept a genuine
“non-fallable” pure devotee worthy spiritual master like Srila
Prabhupada. But no, we had rather reject (if
not feed him ‘fatally excessive quantities’ of arsenic) Mahaprabhu’s
senapati bhakta Srila Prabhupada and then we will rubber-stamp those people into calling
gurus, who are already proven to be of lower nature and whom Srila Prabhupada constantly
chastises using very harsh words in his letters which those same very people hide and kill
devotees like Sulocana if they expose those letters and tapes! Why baba? Why?
Why can’t we lead life clean and simple?
If your posthumous idea is
right then Srila Prabhupada's entire purport above is wrong. His Divine Grace specifically
talks about personally serving a living guru.
So shut up and go to Bangkok for “serving” your
“golden handle in bathroom door” ‘living’ guru where he used to stop
over regularly for ‘divya lila’, but now runs a “gay escort agency”
and “Govinda Restaurant” and gives Bhagavatam class on behalf of ISKCON twice a
week. Or serve your broomstick lila guru (who
by the way, even this day as you read this is stamped in and accepts guru puja from ISKCON
devotees). Or serve your handy act in 91
guru. Or serve your motorhome lila gurus. Or
serve you “gopi lila” gurus. Or
serve your “spending hours together to ‘inquire’ from matajis on Navadveep
parikrama noon feasts” gurus. Or serve
your, “head turns the moment a mataji enters the room” gurus. Or serve your “all I want is your love and
devotion” guru. Or serve your traveling
alone with lady secretary sannyas guru. Or
serve your regularly not attending mangala arati guru. And this is NOT HISTORY. This is NOW.
HERE AND NOW. TODAY. They exist today
and are still stamped in as gurus by (themselves!) GBCs.
It is a common knowledge that three of them are “black listed” by
the GBC body at present. Yet, we the rank and
file devotees are told by you to “serve” them since they are “living”
representative of Satan... err... sorry..... God!
No surprise then that most of the people whom you say are
“living gurus” actually seem to be “leaving gurus”.
So looks like your “posthumous self styled guru
program” is the one that has no precedence in guru, sadhu, shastra, common
sense, spiritual sense and vaisnava tradition. You
are the boogie. So prabhu, please shape in or
ship out. Time has come.
And note the word
"diksa" in the Sanskrit. Here it is stated that one should take diksa from a
guru and personally serve him. Therefore he must be 'personally present'.
So what’s your problem, just like before November 77
when many devotees were giving diksha on behalf of Srila Prabhupada to people who finally
never even got to ‘see’ or ‘hear’ Srila Prabhupada personally,
similarly as per July 9th directive as ordered and signed by Srila Prabhupada,
senior devotees chosen by the GBCs can after the already existing system of sanction by
the Temple President award “diksa” to the aspirant “on behalf of”
Srila Prabhupada. What is the difficulty?
Thereafter all devotees will serve the mission of Srila
Prabhupada by the governing laws of the ISKCON society and get trained up by their
respective spiritual authorities or preachers. And
Siksha anyway is an ongoing process received primarily through Srila Prabhupada’s
books, Bhagavatam classes and otherwise through question answer sessions, Srila
Prabhupada’s tapes, devotee tape ministries, senior devotees of the movement, BBT
books, GBC Journals etc. Where is the
problem?
Your answer to my Question
Two without sastra is a disturbance
Your and GBCs foolish ramblings are creating self evident
“disturbance” to Srila Prabhupada’s preaching
mission. Thousands of Srila Prabhupada’s
disciples have been thrown out, thousands of post 77 devotees have left, many many are
beaten, banned, excommunicated, molested and some are even murdered. And thousands have stayed away from ISKCON due to
the bad-press-publicity arising out of these acts. This
is called “disturbance”. So please stop this disturbance and simply follow
Srila Prabhupada’s instructions as given specially in those hundreds of letters and
conversation tapes in the later part of 1977 which GBCs have ‘misplaced’
‘accidentally’ (some of which has to your extreme discomfort surfaced due to
life sacrificing efforts of great prabhupadanugas.)
This quote proves that your
posthumous diksa idea is a disturbing concoction because it is not authorised by either
sruti or smriti sastras.
Your “voting”, “rubber-stamping” and
“illicit sex with men, children, disciples and others' wives” type of
“living vaisnava guru” “is not authorised by
either sruti or smriti sastras”. And
Windle Turley lawsuit, thousands of devotees leaving ISKCON and many complains from
ex-devotees spilled around various internet websites, thousands of cuttings of newspaper
reports when your voted for 3 years GBC chairman, sannyasi, “bhakti yoga
exponent”, “living guru” falls in for “teaching varnashrama
dharma” by “personal example” by “living in” with a karmi
therapist is ample proof of your “disturbing concoction”. Can’t you see?
The regular guru system
correctly follows the parampara tradition and footsteps of the previous acaryas.
So instead of the regular
guru system of accepting great personalities like Srila Prabhupada as guru, why are
you concocting these pathetically miserable failures and perverts of ill motivated human
beings as your "rubber-stamped" gurus?
Your posthumous diksa idea
rejects sastra and the footsteps of the previous acaryas and therefore it is asat, a
useless concoction.
Your idea of “rubber-stamping” less than
kanishta people of low nature for giving diksha “rejects
sastra and the footsteps of the previous acaryas and therefore it is asat, a useless
concoction.”
More hard sastric evidence
lies in the Vaisnava tradition listed the new Bhagavad-gita page 34 in the list of 32
acaryas in our line of disciplic succession. Every single one of those acaryas had a
living diksa-guru.
By the way, who is Srila Madhavacarya's diksha
guru? Who is Srila Narottam das Thakura’s diksha guru? Who is Srila Visvanath Chakrabarty Thakura’s
diksha guru? Who is Srila Bhaktivinode
Thakura’s diksha guru? Why don’t
you visit the IRG website and do some basic
reading before you start bumbling next time? Also
no ISKCON temple has Bipin Bihari Goswami’s picture on the altar. !!BOOGIE!!
Sastra says Vaisnava
tradition is evidence. There is your evidence from sastra. We need only follow in their
footsteps without any concoction. Satoh vriteh.
So we said. There
is no evidence of Vaisnava tradition of the acts that your
‘rubber-stamped’ gurus have performed in past and are still performing. So this proves, your system is not bonafide. Instead Srila Prabhupada’s system is bonafide
which also makes perfect sense if you broaden your vision and think for the institution
which will grow for 10,000 years in severe kaliyuga.
If you say, your system is what Srila Prabhupada wanted, then how come it is
failing this miserably while just 22 years have passed?
One shudders to think if we let you go on, what will happen by the time 7000 years
pass.
Your unfounded name calling
stating that I persist with a lie when I quote consistently from guru, sadhu, and sastra
only increases your already defeated condition.
Even a parrot can quote from GSS, but can we please match them with reality? Nobody said we should not go in for a reality check. Go ahead, give it a try.
Here is your Second
Question:
"But HH Hridyananda Maharaja and the GBC have stated that the
word nor concept of ritvik-acarya exists in vedic culture. Giving examples of Srila
Prabhupada using (not agreeing with, but 'using' as you claim) this word, please explain
why would Srila Prabhupada would use a word and concept that does not exist in vedic
culture?"
This question is just plain
silly. Is is not only a complete waste of time but an insult to the intelligence of the
assembled internet Vaisnavas. Didn't Srila Prabhupada use the English language which has
no existence in Vedic culture? Of course he did! By the same logic of your argument Srila
Prabhupada was wrong to use so many other Western things! Ever heard of yukta vairagya?
Ajamila, you are worse than horrible. What can I say?
I am struck. You have no brains? Absolutely none?
How can you even write these things? Didn’t
you even think once before writing the above? Did
the thought never pass you that you will be ridiculed beyond recognition by the whole of
worldwide Internet community because of what you have written? How can you do this? Ok, you can do this. But the question is how can ISKCON devotees
continue to tolerate your utter foolish stances? I
am shocked? Afterall even a gurudrohi is
entitled to some brains. You have none!!
Please be honest and just
admit you have made one big hell of a mistake. Be honest. If you do, I'll be the first to
worship you.
Please be honest
and just admit that you don’t have brains. Be
honest. If you do, you will be allowed to
stay in ISCKON after the court case results are out.
Srila Prabhupada’s servant,
Nimai Nitai das
Brahmacari
Webmaster, UVACA
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