History of Sridhara Swami (Gaudia Math)

From: angel108b@yahoo.com Newsletter: Feb. 28, March 07, 2004

B.R. Srila Sridhara Swami

74-04-28 Prabhupadas letter to Rupanuga:
You are right about Sridhara Maharaja's genuineness. But in my opinion he is the best of the lot. He is my old friend, at least he executes the regulative principles of devotional service. I do not wish to discuss about activities of my Godbrothers but it is a fact they have no life for preaching work. ALL ARE SATISFIED WITH A PLACE FOR RESIDENCE IN THE NAME OF A TEMPLE, THEY ENGAGE DISCIPLES TO GET FOODSTUFF BY TRANSCENDENTAL DEVICES AND EAT AND SLEEP. They have no idea or brain how to broacast the cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. My Guru Maharaja used to lament many times for this reason and he thought if one man at least had understood the principle of preaching then his mission would achieve success. In the latter days of my Guru Maharaja he was very disgusted. Actually, he left this world earlier, otherwise he would have continued to live for more years. Still he requested his disciples to form a strong Governing body for preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. He never recommended anyone to be acarya of the Gaudiya Math. BUT SRIDHARA MAHARAJA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DISOBEYING THIS ORDER OF GURU MAHARAJA, AND HE AND OTHERS WHO ARE ALREADY DEAD UNNECESSARILY THOUGHT THAT THERE MUST BE ONE ACARYA.

IF GURU MAHARAJA COULD HAVE SEEN SOMEONE WHO WAS QUALIFIED AT THAT TIME TO BE ACARYA HE WOULD HAVE MENTIONED. Because on the night before he passed away he talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya. HIS IDEA WAS ACARYA WAS NOT TO BE NOMINATED AMONGST THE GOVERNING BODY. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected. So Sridhara Maharaja and his two associate gentlemen unauthorizedly selected one acarya and later it proved a failure. The result is now everyone is claiming to be acarya even though they may be kanistha adhikari with no ability to preach. In some of the camps the acarya is being changed three times a year.

THEREFORE WE MAY NOT COMMIT THE SAME MISTAKE IN OUR ISKCON CAMP. ACTUALLY AMONGST MY GODBROTHERS NO ONE IS QUALIFIED TO BECOME ACARYA. SO IT IS BETTER NOT TO MIX WITH MY GODBROTHERS VERY INTIMATELY BECAUSE INSTEAD OF INSPIRING OUR STUDENTS AND DISCIPLES, THEY MAY SOMETIMES POLLUTE THEM. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them.

Another interesting point regarding the letter you quoted from Srila Prabhupada to Rupanuga from 28th April 1974 in relationship to Sridhara Maharaja.

Srila Prabhupada: "You are right about Sridhar Maharaj's genuineness. But in my opinion he is the best of the lot. He is my old friend, at least he executes the regulative principles of devotional service". I must say this statement of Srila Prabhupada really confused me for many years. He seemed to be making the point that Sridhar Maharaj was genuine and that he's the best of the lot and yet in the next breath he seems to be speaking sarcastically by saying "at least he executes the regulative principles of devotional service".

This seeming contradiction lodged within my mind, and did not surface until many years later at a time when I was visiting Alachua with Jitarati and my wife Lokadrsti. Jitarati wanted to meet with Rupanuga so I took the opportunity to accompany him. During our discussions with him "this seeming contradiction" that had been stored up for many years in my mind resurfaced. So I took the opportunity and asked Rupanuga to kindly clear up my confusion.

Rupanuga said that In early 1974 he visited the Asrama of Sridhar Maharaj. He spent some time there and his realizations were very clear and strong about what was going on there. He stated that Sridhar Maharaja was trying to attract devotees away from Srila Prabhupada and Iskcon and over to himself. After crossing the Ganges and returning to the Iskcon Mayapura centre this fact was transmitted to Srila Prabhupada by mail.

Now for me the mystery was unraveled. Without insight into what Rupanuga had personally observed at Sridhar Maharaj's asrama and without knowing what he had conveyed to Srila Prabhupada by mail one would be excused thinking that when Srila Prabhupada said in his response to RUPANUGA "You are right about Sridhara Maharaj's genuineness" that he meant that Sridhara Maharaja was genuine.

This of course is not the case. Rupanuga had made it clear to Srila Prabhupada that Sridhara Mahararaj was going against vaisnava etiquete and he was not acting as a genuine well wisher of Srila Prabhupada or Iskcon. Thus one can understand that when Prabhupada said "you are right about Sridhar Maharaja's genuineness" he was referring to the lack of it. "Srila Prabhupada said "He's genuine and the best of the lot" (many ex Iskcon Sridhar followers would say) This very unfortunate misunderstanding is one of the main reasons so many Iskcon devotees went over to Sridhara Maharaj's camp.

Your servant
Kamsahanta dasa

Dear Tirthaprada prabhu,

PAMMHO. AGTSP. Thanks for writing me your concerns over PADA's statements regarding B. R. Sridhara Maharaja (of Navadvip). First of all you are correct that Srila Prabhupada was "friendly" with Sridhara Maharaja. Yet that does not necessarily mean that Prabhupada -- endorsed -- Sridhara's philosophy and managerial policy? For example, I am also "friendly" with my neighbors whether they are Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Buddhists, atheists, Satan worshippers, lesbians and so on and so forth. That does not mean therefore -- I endorse -- their philosophy? The six Goswamis of Vrindavana were also said to be "the friends of everyone" but we should also know ... the Goswamis were very strict when it came to accepting other's -- philosophy. You have failed to show us how "being friendly" with a person means: one accepts their philosophy? George Bush is "friends" with Vladamir Putin. Therefore according to your idea that means George Bush is now a neo-socialist? Srila Prabhupada was also "friendly" with Tamal and other GBCs. Again, this does not mean Prabhupada endorsed their philosophy? Prabhupada also said "Jayatirtha is my tirtha (sacred place)," so according to your idea: we should all go out and smoke marijuana, take LSD, and distribute thousands of "ecstasy" pills at music concerts? In sum, you have failed entirely to show how "being friends" is -- an endorsement of philosophy?

a) SWAMI MAHARAJA.
This is the first problem with your formalistic sloganeering "Srila Prabhupada was friendly with Sridhara" -- therefore: Prabhupada endorsed the philosophy of Sridhara -- that deviants including homosexuals are "acharyas" i.e. "worshipped like Jesus messiahs" and "God's 'living guru' external representations"? No, Srila Prabhupada does not agree with these ideas at all. Srila Prabhupada says openly that he does not agree with Sridhara's ideas? Moreover, Sridhara himself says, "Me and swami maharaja do not see eye to eye." For starters then, notice that Sridhara endorses the bogus title of "swami maharaja" given to Prabhupada by the Gaudiya Matha's deviants. Prabhupada said the Gaudiya Matha's deviants refused to call him "Prabhupada" because they were envious of him. Thus, Sridhara uses bogus titles which Prabhupada did not approve of. Notice also, not only Sridhara but many of these Gaudiya Matha folks say "swami maharaja" and not "Prabhupada" even up to the present day (2004).

Why wasn't Sridhara and his followers training us to call our guru "Prabhupada"? Instead they are clearly trying to train us "ignorant Western people" to call Prabhupada "swami maharaja" just as the Gaudiya Matha's deviants did? Sridhara is supposed to be helping Prabhupada's cause. Instead, he supports the views or bogus nomenclature of the "envious" deviants? Meanwhile notice, Sridhara's (bi-sexual) 1936 guru "Vasudeva" was freely using titles such as acharya, i.e. "Vishnupada" (and in sum "messiah") which Sridhara also endorsed and encouraged. And similarly Sridhara endorsed and encouraged the post 1977 GBC when their (homosexual and deviant) gurus used titles like "Vishnupada" (and so on). Thus it appears that Sridhara only endorses deviants -- if not homosexual pedophiles -- as exclusively fit to use titles meant for, or given to, Prabhupada (like "Vishnupada"). Sridhara supports that type of deviation, or at least he does not publicly object. Meanwhile, Sridhara publicly uses a minimized and concocted Gaudiya Matha title for the REAL Prabhupada? Thus: deviants and homosexuals can use titles like "Vishnupada," but Prabhupada does not deserve that kind of title? What kind of policy is this: homosexual pedophiles are "Vishnupadas" but Prabhupada is only a minor league "swami"? And why hasn't the Sridhara crew ever explained OR CORRECTED this for over 20 years?

Moreover, there was a big battle going on in 1971 when I was in India. Many Gaudiya Matha folks vigorously opposed Prabhupada using that title. They were also creating major agitation to try and stop Prabhupada's progress in many ways. Notice, Prabhupada had to write to Sridhara and ask him to contain his "good friend," namely one of the chief critics of Prabhupada, an sort of authoritarian tyrant named "Madhava Maharaja." Sridhara was thus "friends" with Prabhupada's worst critics. Sridhara was also not coming out in public defending Prabhupada. Rather Sridhara was sitting in the back room -- being "friendly" with, and associating with, Prabhupada's worst critics. It was also rumored that BV Narayana Maharaja was in Mayapura at this time also agreeing with these critics. Of course, after Himavati came back crying from Sridhara's matha because of the criticism of Sridhara's followers towards Srila Prabhupada, we were told by Prabhupada "do not visit any of the ashrams of ANY of my God brothers here in Mayapura." That included Sridhara's matha?

b) SRIDHARA'S HOMOSEXUAL "MESSIAH.
" Next, let us look at a small sample of Sridhara's history. In 1936 Sridhara (and Professor Sannyal and Madhava Maharaja) endorsed a conditioned soul named "Vasudeva" as "the next acharya (messiah, successor to God, Krishna's pure devotee)." And yet Vasudeva himself told Sridhara in 1936 that he did not want to be the next acharya, rather Vasudeva admitted at that time that he was a conditioned soul and moreover he was intending to get married. Yet Prabhupada says that Sridhara "insisted on it (making Vasudeva the acharya)." Thus Prabhupada says that Sridhara (and his Vasudeva/ Bagh Bazaar party) derailed the ENTIRE Gaudiya Mission since they "insisted" i.e. militantly and vociferous enforced their policy: of worshipping a conditioned soul as the next acharya (messiah). Prabhupada never agreed with this policy? Rather, Prabhupada said they were ordered by Srila Saraswati Thakura in the 1930s to make a "Governing Body" and not some artificial "head of the mission" (like the Pope). Sridhara's "living guru" idea is akin to the "College of Cardinals" of the Roman Catholic Church who have the identical "living guru -- Pope" ideology. Papalists. Sridhara says we need to worship "a living body" exactly like the Catholic Church established in medieval times. Yet as it turns out, Vasudeva was correct from the start. He told Sridhara he was not ready to be the next messiah in 1936, and he was eventually discovered to be degraded, and actually a bisexual deviant, later on? Sridhara does not listen to anyone, even his own messiahs?

c) WEAR THE MESSIAH'S UNIFORM?
Sridhara plan in 1936 was, despite the fact that Vasudeva was not qualified to be the next messiah, Vasudeva should simply "wear the uniform of a messiah (imitate the actual messiah or pure devotee) and the 'uniform' would show Vasudeva what to do." In sum, Sridhara thinks that if the hospital's toilet cleaning janitor puts on a brain surgeon's uniform, then that janitor will automatically be transformed to be as qualified as the hospital's doctorate of brain surgery. The "surgeon's uniform" will show the janitor -- how to be a brain surgeon. Small children sometimes "dress-up" as doctors, cowboys, police, and so on, but they know they are merely "play acting" and they are not really doctors, cowboys, police and so on? And yet rather amazingly, Sridhara told the post 1977 GBC the same exact thing as he told Vasudeva in 1936, to "wear the uniform" of the messiah, and the uniform will show them what to do. Sridhara never learned what every kindergarten child knows: "wearing the uniform" does -- not -- make one qualified to wear that uniform? And what is Sridhara's plan to make all of the members of the Gaudiya Matha and/or ISKCON recognize and establish the worship of his false messiahs? Confrontation. Insistence. Force. Coercion. All of which, as we have seen, leads to: violence. Sridhara unilaterally declares fools to be his messiahs, simultaneosuly he disregards the opinions and feelings of the rank and file devotees wholesale, and then he essentially says "whatever it takes" to impose his messiahs power and worship.

And when two of his messiahs named Jayatirtha and Hansadutta were having "guru troubles" with their illicit sex, drugs, and many other extreme deviations, Sridhara told them both: there is only one thing to do, go back and sit on the guru seat, "wear the guru uniform," and keep up your cheap guru imitation project. And as a result, shortly after that, Hansadutta "shot up" occupied buildings in downtown Berkeley with four high powered guns. And this was reported in major Califorina newspapers. And then the British newspapers reported, with glaring headlines "Guru's Head Hacked Off," after Jayatirtha's head was chopped off by a disgruntled "ex-disciple." Sridhara should have said to them, whatever you do, NEVER sit in a guru seat again -- for your next ten thousand lifetimes. He should have tried to SAVE these two deviants. No, he pushed them off the cliff of more offense, imiation and deviation, and indeed Sridhara placed their illicit sex, drugs, and no small amount of violent goonda cult leaders, into his guru uniform and guru seat. And the result is: that Sridhara ruined the reputation of Krishna and His movement -- wholesale, with horrible media coverage of his bogus messiahs, as he did in India when his bogus messiah Vasudeva cult melted down into violence. This was also reported in the India media. Thus, neophytes "wearing the messiah's unform" -- does not work, and this was NEVER preached by Prabhupada. Oddly, followers of Sridhara have told us that "Prabhupada makes the same mistakes as Sridhara." No, Prabhupada was fully against neophytes posing as the messiah.

And we may recall that when Hansadutta was still aligned with Sridhara he sent his followers to "publicly protest" in front of the Los Angeles temple in maybe 1984. Hansadutta called the "Los Angeles Times" newspapers to report that his and "Sridhara's disciples" would be protesting in front of the Watseka temple with signs and placards. And this story was indeed reported in the newspapers. Notice, no public complaint with signs and placards was ever made: that homosexual pedophiles and deviants are being told to "wear the unform of the messiah." Rather, the main complaint (was and STILL is) from folks like yourself: that the backers of homosexual and child molester guru projects like Sridhara are "being offended." Never mind that Sridhara's false messiah policy ruined the Gaudiya Matha and then later "destroyed a whole generation of Vaishnavas" as some gurukulis have reported to us. Why aren't Sridhara's followers publicly protesting the CURRENT molesting messiah regime in Mayapura? No, Sridhara's clan only has time to protest PADA for saying that pedophile messiah projects are evil. You folks have zero interest in cleaning this out of the holy dham. Sridhara's clan has a HUGE odious stinking garbage pile in their own back yard in Mayapura namely "anus sex as the Vaishnava acharya/ messiah club's headquaters" and all his followers can do is write "PADA is smelly," albeit ten thousand miles away. BV Narayan does the same thing, he protests that we are protesting his anus sex guru lineage, and yet he does not protest that lineage. Rather Isa STILL TODAY writes to tell us the BV Narayana is having "loving repartee" with Tamal, and other founders of pedophile pooja. BV Narayana is still "in love" with anus sex worshippers in the holy dham. That is why it is still there.

And yet the GBC has faithfully followed Sridhara's "dress up like a messiah" instruction -- to this very day. Their bogus messiahs are often seen wearing expensive silken robes, Rolex watches, and so on and so forth, since they still all agree with Sridhara's idea that their fancy dress (uniform) will make them the next messiah -- who has to be worshipped like Jesus. Kirtanananda swami (Keith Ham) is perhaps the most perfect disciple of Sridhara in this regard, since he has worn all kinds of silken clothes, big fancy hats, crowns, golden tipped canes, and so on and so forth. Of course this is all old history. The medieval Popes were also "wearing the messiah's uniform" of fancy silken "uniforms" with big hats and crowns, just like Sridhara's "dressy-up clown messiah" disciples. And yes, the Popes also were declaring themselves to be the successors to the messiah, just like Sridhara's GBC disciples such as Kirtanananda et al.

And yet this Papal "wear the silken uniform" scheme was going on perhaps hundreds or even thousands of years before Sridhara even came down the pike? That neophytes and fools should wear fancy silken outfits and big hats and then declare themselves to be the next messiah is a very old idea. So it is a little odd that people think Sridhara is some great advanced personage for figuring this out, since he is simply repeating and following the College Of Cardinal's idea. Sridhara is simply repeating some old Vatican dictums written perhaps a thousand years ago, about how some of the Bishops or laymen must wear (the uniform of) silken clothes and a big hat and then declare themselves to be "the successor to the messiah" -- exactly as Sridhara instructed Vasudeva in 1936 and the GBC in 1977. Sridhara forgot something important here: wearing the Pope's uniform does not make one: the next Jesus Christ messiah?

Just as a four year old girl does not become an adult woman when she "wears the uniform" of her mother? Of course Sridhara's ideas are popular all over India, there we always find "dressy up" versions of "Krishna," "avatars," "acharyas," "gurus," and everything else. Here is San Francisco we have a group of men who "dress up" in the uniform of women. Surprise! They are not ACTUALLY women! In short, "wearing the uniform of the messiah" is not a concept that Prabhupada agrees to, nor is the public much impressed with this artificial "dress up as the messiah" process either. Worse, Sridhara's idea that the Governing Body should be dismantled and the members of that council should artificially pose as messiahs is actually: insurrection against the orders of Prabhupada to form a Governing Body. Yet Sridhara, BV Narayana, BV and BP Puri, they all said the same thing, we cannot have a Governing Body, we need to establish false messiahs. Thus Prabhupada says, these Gaudiya Matha folks "violated the orders" of the ACTUAL messiahs.

Of course there are many de facto disciples of Sridhara like Mahaksya dasa. He says it is fully acceptable for people like Siddharaswarupa to "dress up" and use the title of "Prabhupada." Never mind that Siddhaswarupa was involved in a scandal with his secretary and he eventually had to marry her. Folks like Mahaksya are another version of the (deviants should) "wear the uniform and adopt the titles of the messiah" ideology. Apparently, even if one behaves like a dog, that is valid behavior for the messiah. Even a dog can have the title of "the acharya/ Prabhupada/ messiah." This is all due to the infiltration of the Sridhara/ Gaudiya Matha ideology. Of course this ideology is also quite widespread in places like Bengal. For example it is said there that "one cannot criticize that the bogus Rama Krishna is not really 'Krishna,' since this will 'disturb the faith' of his followers." In other words there is no longer any standard for actual messiahs or even Krishna. Anyone can simply "wear the uniform" of the messiah or God.

Srila Prabhupada says these ideas are imitation or "sahajiya," and that these types of ideas "dragged all of Bengal to hell." And now we also know why the children of ISKCON were mass molested, because as soon as someone said that the molester "messiah" infrastructure is wrong, then the Sridharas, the BV Narayanas, the Mahaksyas, they all came out of the woodwork and said unitedly, "none should protest" -- even the mass raping of children project in the name of "Vishnupada." And Tripurari (Tom Beaudry) of Philo California called us "demons," Mahaksya even today calls us "attack dogs," the GBC called us "barking dogs," and BV Narayana still calls us "poison" -- since we do not agree with them that any illlict behavior, indeed sometimes anus sex with children, should be worshipped -- as the "Jesus like messiah" of ISKCON. So even if a deviant engaged in anus sex is found to be "wearing" the acharya/ messiah uniform, "none should protest," and indeed one protests at the peril of being labeled with ill names, and even being beaten and killed. Which brings us to the next point ...

d) SRIDHARA'S INQUSITION.
Of course -- the next phase is that such bogus "messiahs" often produce violent cults: like that of Jim Jones, David Koresh, Marshall Applewhite's Heaven's Gate suicide cult; and indeed many countless vicious "guru/ avatar/ messiah" cults all over India; or the post 1936 Gaudiya Matha; or the GBC's gangster guru project -- and so on -- actually ad infinitum. So let us agree here that Sridhara is simply repeating the age-old medieval Roman process that fools should "wear the uniform of the messiah," which has been going on since time immemorial amongst extreme deviants. Did we forget to mention, Prabhupada said one can place a crown on a dog and put him on a throne, but as soon as one tosses a bone, the dog jumps off, i.e. he does not agree with this "wearing the messiah's uniform" process. Of course where would Sridhara's bogus Popes be -- without a nice "inquisition" of people being burned at the stake and so on? And so Sridhara said "none should protest" his bogus messiahs, knowing that these protesters would be banished, shunned, driven out on a pole, beaten and even killed, as occurred after 1936 with his false messiah project as well. He already knew this violence would result after 1977 because he saw it firsthand after 1936. Of course Sridhara also knows that in India similar bogus messiah/ guru cults are prone to creating criminal violence because, he lives there. He knows better than us.

Thus, Srila Prabhupada said that in India after 1936, those hapless devotees who protested Sridhara's homosexual messiah named Vasudeva were beaten severely with bricks cracking their skulls, and while some were simply beaten very badly, others died from their injuries. Sridhara's policy therefore induced the crucifixions of God's devotees. Others, we should say "the more fortunate Krishna devotees" (Sridhara's policy victims) simply had their faces pushed into dog stools and so on. At least these people survived Sridhara's "none should protest" policy albeit they were tortured and abused severely. And how did you guess, after 1977 Sridhara said exactly the same thing, "none should protest" the GBC's homosexual and pedophile guru lineage. And as such, many protesters were banned, some were beaten, thousands of children were molested, and some of the protesters and children were killed, exactly as he orchestrated after 1936. Of course, some of his children victims simply died of starvation and medical neglect, or they committed suicide after being molested by Sridhara's "messiah" project. And did we fail to mention that women were treated abominably by the medieval Papal system, being burned as witches and so on. And in the same exact policy modus, women were severely mistreated under the jackboots of Sridhara's post 1977 "messiahs." And women were also treated badly in the Jim Jones, David Koresh et al cults, is there an echo around here?

Again, nothing new, Sridhara simply copied the medieval Papal system "worship the silken uniform," and "none should protest" since indeed "protesting" is done -- at one's peril. So Sridhara started another version of the Roman inquisition policy in India after 1936, and he set up the same inquisition policy with the GBC after 1977. Rather oddly, people tell us that the main architect of the inquisition of Vaishnava devotees of Krishna, a.k.a. Sridhara, is "a great teacher of love and peace." No, he taught that people who do not worship homosexuals, pedophiles, and deviants have no standing since "none should protest." Of course BV Narayan has backed the GBC's molester messiah cult as well, and he was teaching them about "the gopis" while the children were being starved, beat, molested and dissenters were being killed.

And Sridhara got people murdered by this policy after 1936 and again in post-1977. Of course countless devotees were the victims of Sridhara's inquisition in other forms. For example, many devotees were "brought into the room" of the GBC and/or temple president and asked for example if they "had any doubts about swami Queer-tan-ananda etc." being the next Jesus-like messiah, since the (deviant) "messiah" was being endorsed by Sridhara, or BV Narayana, or BV or BP Puri etc. Doubters were thus purged, sometimes just by being asked politely to leave, while others were treated much more violently. So this is what Sridhara endorsed, a sort of medieval inquisition atmosphere all over ISKCON. One poor woman phones PADA from time to time and TO THIS DAY she still "whispers" into the phone, since she is afraid of GBC wire-tapping and so on. In sum, she is afraid of their inquisition. Problem is, she whispers so lowly that it is hard to understand even one word she is saying? Fear. Anxiety. Dread. In sum, they ruined hers and countless others lives by Sridhara's "none should protest" policies. Of course Sridhara also said we should "wait and see" as his messiahs deteriorate. "Wait for the beatings to turn to murders." Swell policy!

And the result of "waiting and seeing" after 1936 was that the news media in India reported the beatings and killings of Sridhara's Vasudeva cult, and this ruined the reputation of the Gaudiya Matha. And even by 1980 in the USA the news media had reported: Hansadutta's criminal operation; the Laguna Beach drug bust; Kirtanananda's drug mules arrested, and all the newspapers in America reported tha Syracuse lawsuit which said ISKCON is engaged in criminal fraud. All of this was reported to Sridhara and still he said, "wait and see," "none should protest," i.e. "stay the course." Of course, the Syracuse lawsuit was partially the result of Sridhara's top disciple, Tripurari, training people to defraud the public with bogus collection techniques. Nevermind that it was also well known at the time that the "women's collection party" program was severely abusive to women. Nevermind. "Stay the course." It almost seems Sridhara -- wanted -- to ruin Prabhuapda's movement? Let us also not forget that the two main molesting camps in India, Mayapura, was Sridhara's home, and the other major molesting camp, Vrindavana, was BV Narayana's camp. These two "advisors" were "advising" the worst child molester messiah projects on earth to "stay the course" while mass molesting was going on -- right on their doorstep. And they both said the protesting of their molester messiahs is "bogus ritviks," indeed "poison," and Sridhara's followers even told me this recently, an employee of GLOBAL GROOVE in Santa Rosa CA, that we are "offenders" since we do not promote worship of anus sex with children as messiahs as promoted by Sridhara and BV Narayana.

e) SRIDHARA'S VATICAN VOTING SYSTEM
Notice, again there is another very close parallel to Sridhara's "bogus guru/ false messiah project" and the Roman Papal system, since Sridhara also says that his false messiahs should "vote in" more gurus, messiahs or Popes. In other words, as the first wave of Sridhara's bogus messiahs crashed on the beach -- usually from scandals -- if not being arrested and put in jail for crimes and so on, then Sridhara says these criminal types of deviants should temporarily take their hands out of their disciples pants and instead hold them up to "vote in" yet another wave of bogus messiahs. In this way, Sridhara started wave after wave of bogus gurus in the post 1936 Gaudiya Matha by his "Papal voting process," which Prabhupada sardonically explains, "Another man comes, then another, then another, then another, to be guru. As soon as it was announced guru maharaja is dead, I am so advanced that I can kill guru and become guru." So Sridhara's whole idea of "appointing" and "voting" in gurus, which Sridhara thinks is so wonderful, is "killing guru."

Yet this is also simply another version of the Vatican voting system, smarta ecclesiastical guru system, and so on, making artificial messiahs. Apart from that, Srila Prabhupada says that Krishna (God) is The Person who directly empowers (appoints) the guru, not Sridhara? Is Sridhara now God Almighty? Sridhara also can "appoint" and "empower" God's successors? How can Sridhara "empower" someone as "the successor to God messiah/ guru," as he allegedly "empowered" Vasudeva. Then Vasudeva was exposed as a bi-sexual deviant who was attacking the whole Gaudiya Vaishnava lineage, saying we should all surrender to the smartas. Then again, same exact pattern after 1977, Sridhara helped "empower" the eleven GBC. Another big flop. Then we were told that Sridhara had "empowered" Dheera Krishna to be his guru successor.

Again, another big flop. Dheera was alleged to have fallen down into an illicit affair with his secretary, and allegedly drugs like heroin? An associate of Dheera Krishna said to PADA that lately Dheera is "depressed." So how did this "empowerment" help him? It seems to have made an imbroglio out of Sudheera's life as well. Other GBC gurus are also reportedly "depressed." So how are they "empowered by God," simultaneously, fallen and depressed? Of course Sridhara's first "guru" Vasudeva was so depressed, he committed suicide. And then Sridhara says, lets "vote in" everyone else to join in on this process, so he wants mass depression and mass suicides? What kind of Vaikuntha atmophere is this, Sridhara's pure devotees are depressed and suicidal? Vaikuntha, God's home, is full of depressed suicide cases? What kind of picture of Vaikuntha are you folks trying to paint? As some have said, if Vaikuntha is full of "pure devotees" like Sridhara's idea, better to stay here in the material world. So it seems that the result of being "voted in as guru" by Sridhara or his GBC pals is -- a type of curse? Naturally, some of Sridhara's idiot disciples say, "Well Puranjan you just want to be voted in as guru yourself." Yep, we all need headaches, depression, suicidal guru disorder, popping all kinds of pills, which seems to plague Sridhara's guru cults? In short, the guru voting seems to place very hard pressure on the voted in guru, just as much as it is hard for us who are observing on the side lines.

Of course then again, we have the other side of the coin, the IRM. They have their own "greater than God guru," a bookeeper from Southall named Krishna Kanta Desai. He claims to have forbidden Krishna from producing any more diksha capable gurus for the next ten thousand years on planet earth, despite that Prabhupada never said this was forbidden or would not occur. Ever. Here is another person who claims to be God's boss. Sorry, God does what God does. Hello? We are not His boss: to either artificially CREATE His guru successors like Sridhara, or to stop, repress or DESTROY Krishna's plans for making gurus, like Krishna Kanta Desai thinks he can do. God is their servant? Creating and/or not creating gurus and messiahs is God's direct domain. Sridhara, Krishna Kanta and similar others are tinkering in an area that is -- out of their domain in toto. In sum, guru is not established by votes, says Srila Prabhupada. So Sridhara has no idea that the reason the messiah -- is the messiah -- is because he is empowered by God, not empowered by Sridhara, since Sridhara's "empowered" gurus, just about all of them -- fell flat on their nose in just a few years and/or were exposed in scandals. Then again, the "College Of Cardinals" "empowers the Pope." Can't Sridhara even think up something original for a change, why does he have to borrow from the medieval Roman church?

So Prabhupada says Sridhara wanted to make some gurus "artificially," a figurehead guru, just like the Pope. We may recall that folks like Machiavelli became the apologist/ cheerleader of the medieval Papal system, just as Sridhara is the main apologist/ cheerleader (philosophy orchestrator) for the Gaudiya Vaishnava's violent messiah/ Pope cults. And Sridhara says, when his bogus Pope(s) fail or leave, then "vote in" more and more, just as there is a "puff of white smoke" at the Vatican -- marking the "vote" of the next Pope. This is, by the way, part of a song on George Harrison's new "Brainwashed" CD. George VERY SARDONICALLY mentions "the puff of white smoke" -- i.e. Vatican voting system -- since most folks do not agree with Sridhara's "voting in the next messiah" plans, not only Prabhupada? In fact, it is a "brain washed" policy according to George? George makes a better messiah than all of Sridhara's deviants put together.

Of course there is now a big dispute among Sridhara's followers, one camp saying that Govinda Maharaja was appointed as the successor, the other camp saying that Tripurari (Tom Beaudry) is the successor. Govinda Maharaja's camp points out that Tripurari was living in Oregon and he had to move out since he was having an apparent affair with a female disciple. And now there is a big argument over "where the money went" from the sale of the Oregon house. Ahem. Meanwhile, Tripurari's camp says Govinda Maharaja is bogus since he is not really doing "big preaching" like Tripurari. So even the promoters of the "guru by rubber stamp" ideology do not always agree -- who has the artificial "messiah" rubber stamp and who does not? Of course since Sridhara is the main cheerleader of the homosexual guru cult in 1936, and he is the main cheerleader of the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles regime after 1977, ... why would anyone want to even be his "successor"? At all?

"I am the successor to the founder father of the anus sex pooja as the messiah project, which resulted in mass molesting of children and the murder of people who did not want to worship anus sex as God's messiah successor," that is essentially what Govinda Maharaja and Tripurari (Tom Beaudry) proudly say? This is like being proud that you have a big piece of dog stool stuck on the bottom of your shoe? Of course BV Narayana Maharaja's "Guru Tattva" booklet also says "there was nothing wrong with (Sridhara's homosexual messiah) Vasudeva in 1936" either, since he also backs the worship of anus sex as his idea of a "messiah" along with the inquisition and so on, "nothing wrong here."

f) SAVING THE DEVIANT MESSIAHS.
In 1979, when Jayatirtha's "messiah platform" was severely deteriorating due to his illicit sex, drugs, and rock and roll recording business, many devotees thought that his "guru business" was going to end soon. Yet Sridhara Maharaja came forward and vigorously defended "keeping Jayatirtha in the guru seat." Sridhara said, "We must not disturb the faith of the sisyas." Thus, when people are worshipping illicit sex, drugs and rock and roll as their personal living Jesus-like messiah, and they are placing this odious deviation on Prabhupada's seat and on Krishna's altar, "none should protest." Later, also in 1979 Hansadutta was arrested with a machine gun in his car, and his farm was "busted" by the FBI and Federal Marshalls for illegal weapons, explosives, stolen credit cards, and a host of other criminal deviations. And yet again, Sridhara defended that Hansadutta is still the Jesus-like messiah, and he should "stay in the guru seat."

Then again, also in 1979, Ramesvara's zone was busted for drug dealing. Partially as a result of that, and Ramesvara's general feeling he might be better off maybe getting married, in June of 1980 Ramesvara wrote a public letter that he wanted to give up his guru seat. And again, Sridhara exhorted Ramesvara to "stay in the guru seat." In December of 1980, the GBC was on the verge of tossing out Tamal and Hansadutta. Again, Sridhara came to defend these bogus messiahs, saying we need to keep these deviants in the position of ISKCON's messiahs. Indeed, a tape recording of Sridhara pleading on behalf of keeping Tamal and Hansadutta was made by Satsvarupa and was sent to all temples. Therefore, as soon as Krishna Himself tried to sweep a piece of garbage off his altar, Sridhara swept it back on the altar. Of course, even as late as 1993 Gaura Govinda swami, Narayana Maharaja and others were still trying to keep Tamal in the post of their messiah, never mind by that time Tamal was known as the founder/ king of the "enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles as messiahs and Vishnupadas regime," which was pretty much well known to one and all.

g) ACHARYAS: MAD FOOLS?
In order to rationalize how Sridhara's messiahs, or what he would call "God's living SUCCESSORS" .... are out there having illicit sex with men, women and children, and they are orchestrating beatings and murders, Sridhara has come up with a sort of formula that "messiahs go mad after money, women and followers." So acharyas (messiahs like Jesus) are really mad fools who simply want money, women and followers, and since the messiah is "mad" after these things, he will orchestrate beatings and killings. This is sort of like what is argued in courts nowadays, "Your honor, yes, my client killed the family of six people, but so what, he is a mad man and so he should be excused." So this is how Sridhara and his ilk rationalize odious behaviors among their alleged "messiahs." "My acharya/ messiah is a mad fool, and so he can commit any foul act," and "none should criticize." Oh swell! So this is also a type of sahajiya-ism found in Bengal, the acharyas are mad fools, indeed Krishna is a mad fool like Ramakrishna. The GBC wrote a paper based on some of these Sridhara ideas in 1980 called "The Mahajanas Have Difficulties." Yep, the mahajana, the messiah who is like Jesus, is some guy who likes to have illicit sex with men, women and children. Swell!

And BV Narayana says the same type of things, acharyas fall down (they are mad fools), and "there is nothing wrong" -- even when they are homosexuals. And then the GBC wrote many similar ideas in their "position papers," for example in their 1988 paper penned by Gaura Govinda swami, "gurus become demons." So there is no standard for the messiah, indeed the messiah may be a mad criminal who orchestrates molesting and murder. And yet no one can say anything to protest that the messiah is a mad fool. This means: there is no criterion for purity, rather we should expect that purity exhibits the most degraded levels of impurity. By the way, a prominent Christian in Mendocino county has asked me to send him a copy of Sridhara's book "Sri Guru And His Grace," where Sridhar says that acharyas (messiahs like Jesus) are "mad after women, money and followers," and this man said that this seems Swami Tripurari (Tom Beaudry of Philo) -- hates Jesus? That is the way it looks? Messiahs are behaving worse than the average man, indeed messiahs are "mad" after material things. And this is also why BV Narayana supports Sridhara, they all supports that acharyas, messiahs, and in sum people like Jesus, are bum butt buster molesters, criminals and so on.

h) FORM BREAKER
Of course nevermind all this, Sridhara himself admits that he has the reputation in the Gaudiya Matha for being "a form breaker," since his policy ruined that mission and broke it up into battling factions. On the tape where he recounts thus, he also sort of chuckles and laughs. "Yes, I am a form breaker, hah, hah" i.e. innocent devotees were viciously driven out, and some were beaten over the head with bricks, murdered, but so what, hah, hah, hah. I am a form breaker, so these people's beatings and murders are not a problem at all. In fact their suffering is all quite a funny joke. So Sridhara thinks that his orchestrating the banning, beating and murder of devotees is some kind of "form breaking" hilarious joke. And apart from that, his actions ruined the mission his guru had given his life to build up. "I wrecked all of my guru's work, is that not quite hilarious"?

Then, after Sridhara's "Vasudeva guru disaster" was exposed, many of the leaders of the Gaudiya Matha "wanted to make Sridhara the head." That means Sridhara had a big influence on the Gaudiya Matha and he could have helped that mission. He was already the "behind the scenes" big man. That is mainly why people accepted Vasudeva, because of Sridhara'a backing him. Therefore, once the problems began to manifest, Sridhara could have taken up the post as "head of the mission," fixed the Frankenstein monster he had created, reestablished the Governing Body Commission idea, reestablished the worship of Srila Saraswati Thakura, tried to recover some of the massive manpower and money loss. But no. Instead -- he just walked off and said, too bad suck-ahhs! He did nothing to help fix the false messiah problem he had generated, nor did he ever come to the aid of the people who were being banned, beaten and killed under his false messiah project ideology. Nothing.

He just walked away and shrugged off the major mess he had just generated -- as a minor problem, a laughable comedy even. Oddly, Sridhara's followers are proud of this, Sridhara crashed the airplane, and while all of the passengers were being burned alive in the wreckage and screaming for help, Sridhara simply walked off -- and did nothing to help his victims? And they are proud of this? He did nothing to round up the hundreds of fugitive "dissenters" who had been kicked out, and try to bring them back. He did not make a public declaration that his process of false messiahs must be halted forthwith? No, he simply declared himself to be another hokey acharya, and he helped rubber stamp others like Madhava Maharaja as acharyas, and in sum he assisted the adoption of the policy of hundreds of fools being ersatz messiahs. All of this simply divided and broke down the mission into smaller and smaller teeny pieces, if not infighting camps, and it did nothing to unify the mission. So he first cracked the mission into two pieces, and then hundreds of pieces, and he is proud, "I am known as a form breaker." OK, let us not forget that dissenting people's skulls were also broken with bricks thanks to Sridhara's false messiah policy. This is why Prabhupada says, amongst my God brothers NO ONE is qualified to be acharya. Especially, Sridhara!

i) FORM V SUBSTANCE
Here is another strange contradiction in Sridhara's philosophy. Sridhara says we have to worship "the form and not the substance," such as the mundane body of some deviant -- who by definition -- has no substance. WHAT! He has no idea what he is saying? Then he says, he is ONLY "promoting the substance and not the form"? WHAT? He just said that we have to worship only "the form" namely, the mundane body of a deviant -- who has no substance. Where is the substance here? Worse, "the form or body" he selects may be worse than "no substance." His messiah's "form or body" may have an odious "substance" since Sridhara often selects as his messiahs persons found to be engaged in "illicit sex with men, women and children" (as Jayadvaita sums Sridhara's guru lineage). This is "the substance"? Where is the substance here? Sridhara says we have to worship a form, a living body, no substance, but merely a uniform like a silken Pope's hat and gown, since his messiahs only qualification is: they are "dressed in a silken Pope's uniform." Again form, but no substance? He has no idea that the messiah is all "internal substance," with little or no emphasis on "the external form."

Sridhara places full emphasis on the external form, and he has no idea whether there is internal substance in his alleged messiahs -- or not? Thus, even the regular meat - eating man on the street knows that Sridhara'a "messiahs" are external show bottle with no internal spiritual substance. Notice how Sridhara tries to confuse people that the external "form" is the actual "substance." This is a tendency of the atheists and mayavadis by the way. And BV Narayana says the same thing, we have to worship the GBC's external forms, you need to worship a living bag o' bones body, worship of a bona fide guru like Jesus is bogus ritviks, so we have to worship the GBC's anus sex project as our messiah. Of course Tripurari (Tom Beaudry) was falling off his seat licking the boots of his worshipped homosexual pedophile messiahs, begging them to make him a member of their enforced cult ritualitic worship of homosexual pedophiles regime. Can ya give me some substance and make me a pedophile certified guru as well?

j) VASUDEVA'S CHILD POISONED.
One of the results of Sridhara's false guru project was the Vasudeva's wife was worried their ten year old son might expose Vasudeva's false messiah position, since the child was gradually discovering that Vasudeva was married to a prostitute. So Vasudeva's wife gave their child poison and killed him. And then Vasudeva came back home and he asked, where is our son? And she proudly announced that she had saved the Gaudiya Mission's reputation: by killing their child. And this so much disgusted Vasudeva, he drank the same poison and killed himself. So just see, Sridhara created the same exact cult atmosphere where the cult leaders kills themselves in the end, just like David Koresh, Jim Jones, the Symbionese Liberation army, the San Diego UFO Heaven's Gate cult, and many other similar insane cults. That is of course normal behavior for messiahs -- at least according to Sridhara, since he says "acharyas go mad after money, women and followers" and in sum "God's messiahs" are mad insane fools who orchestrate killing others. And they may even kill themselves when they are exposed?

The messiah orchestrates murders, creates conditioned where people are poisoned, gets children molested and killed, and in the end they kill themselves? This is Sridhara's idea of the: "messiah successor to God Almighty"? And needless to say, under Sridhara's false guru project after 1977, thousands of Srila Prabhupada's children were "poisoned" by being starved, beaten and molested, much of it going on right at Sridhara's doorstep in Mayapura while he was saying the orchestrators of these death camps for children are -- messiahs. He has the blood of these children's ruptured anuses all over his hands since he supported the regime that was performing these odious acts as -- "saintly messiahs." This is all on his hands especially since he said, none should protest, that means he protected these systems.

k) BRAHMAJYOTI: UNITS?
This is another puzzling aspect of Sridhara's philosophy. Sridhara says we originate in the impersonal brahmajyoti, we were all "units," ... what? Whereas Srila Prabhupada says we originate in a personal relationship with the Godhead, indeed Prabhupada says we were all originally in "Krishna's lila or sport." And thus, Prabhupada's whole theme is "Back To Godhead." Prabhupada says that people who target the brahmajyoti as our orgin are "mayavadis" or covert atheists. Prabhupada also says, "Beware, many of my God brothers are contaminated by mayavadi philosophy." Sridhara is certainly one of them. Of course, Gaura Govinda maharaja said the same thing, homosexual pedophile messiah lineages are bona fide, we all originate in the brahmajyoti, so these people are all peas in a PADA on siddhanta. "I am unit 4,000,098,000." Sounds like God is unit making machine, and not a person? People are units? No, the cars at our business are referred to as "units." Oh swell! Did we forget to mention, the Catholic Church also says we come from some sort of anonymous homogenous hinterland outer space, umm Sridara is a reincaration of medieval Catholic siddhanta? NO! Srila Prabhupada says we "go BACK to Godhead." At once, in an instant, this makes us feel FAMILIAR and FRIENDS with Krishna! Whereas "back to unit-head"? What is that?

l) Sridhara's successor: TRIPURARI

(Tripurari Swami aka Tom Beaudry of Philo California). First of all, Tripurari (Tom Beaudry) wanted to be voted into the GBC's enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles regime. He was licking Kirtanananda's booties when I ran into him in San Francisco, where he trying to get a rubber stamp of "messiah" from his favorite pals, namely Sridhara's homosexual pedophile messiahs like Kirtanananda and Bhavananda. So Tripurari thinks that child molesters are not only messiahs, they can rubber stamp other fools as messiahs as well by some voting process. Who wants the "votes" of homosexual pedophiles to be the next messiah? Whom else? Sridhara's biggest followers like Tripurari, again: whom else? And while Tripurari was trying his best to get voted in as a fellow member of Sridhara's pedophile pooja messiah's club, children under their regime's jackboots were being starved, beaten, molested and killed from medical neglect. Yet Tripurari told me personally that I am "a demon" (for not accepting Sridhara and his homosexual pedophile lineage, and their whole process of getting a "messiah's rubber stamp" from the exponents of anus sex with children worship).

Tripurari still says that worship of Prabhupada or Jesus is "bogus ritviks," whereas he says that worship of the main founder father, exponent, cheerleader, architect, enforcer, and general all round scriptural legal advisor, who is also the main apologist for anus sex worship projects, like Sridhara, is bona fide. Or he thinks he is himself a messiah since he says worship of Jesus is bogus and worship of anus sex with children lineages and their apologists is bona fide. When Tripurari was in Los Angeles he was hanging around with Virabahu, how did you guess, Virabahu was voted in at the recoronation of a known homosexual pedophile. So Tripruiari falls of his chair whenever he sees a nice anus sex cerified messiah and licks their booties, whereas those of us who think someone like Jesus is a messiah, he spits on the sidewalk as he glares at us. And what about the allegation he sold the "Oregon house" when the devotees there protested his association with a young woman disciple? What is this man's program?

* Tripurari's property: Sky Ranch Association?
* Tripurari's web site: swami.org
* What is this? Philo Inn/ 22001 Panorama Way Philo CA 95466
* (Brahma dasa) Sangha Editor/ 5824-6 California St. San Francisco CA/ 94121/ Helen Mosk Living Trust/ (Mosk John and Helen)
* (Brahma dasa) Anderson Valley Inn/ Robert A Jancula and Lydia Mosk/ 8480 Hwy 128 Philo CA 95466
* Chaitanya Saraswat Mandal 62 S. 13th st. San Jose CA 95112 (why is this still listed as their address?)
* (Govinda Maharaja) Vaishnava Seva Society/ POB 8040/ Santa Cruz CA 95061 assets: $885,235
* Mandala Publishing/ 354 Bel Marin Keys #d/ Novato CA info@mandala.org
* (Brahma das) San Francisco Store? San Francisco Apartment building?
* Tripurari's supporters: Govinda's Restaurant/ 2765 Yulupa Ave. Santa Rosa CA
* Global Groove/ 2058 Santa Rosa Plaza, Santa Rosa CA
* Andersonvalley.net

m) POISONERS OF THE MESSIAH: ARE MESSIAHS?
Now we are reaching an important part of all this. Srila Prabhupada says he was being poisoned, and there is considerable evidence that the people who conducted the poisoning were shortly thereafter declared as "gurus" by Sridhara Maharaja, BV Narayana Maharaja and so on. Many of the followers of Sridhara now try to say: he did not know anything about this? But he did! Dheera told him early on that some of us think the GBC are "cutting Prabhupada's throat," and yet Sridhara ignored that analysis and supported the "throat cutting" crew, just like he ignored so many other complaints about these bogus messiahs.

This is also why Srila Prabhupada says, even if you do not know that killing cows is bad, you are implicated if you kill them anyway. "Ignorance" is not always a valid excuse in some cases. What to speak then -- of killing the actual messiah and then declaring his killers are "pure devotees and messiah acharyas"?, as Sridhara and BV Narayana and others have done, and as followers of BV Narayana are still doing? Sorry, there is still some form of blood on one's hands for supporting the killers of the pure devotee IN ANY CAPACITY, what to speak of saying they are worshipped saints and messiahs? Worship of Judas, Pontius Pilate and the Roman Soldiers who killed Jesus as: messiah saints? Meanwhile, worship of a real Jesus is "bogus ritviks"? Lets face it, Sridhara has plenty of Prabhupada's blood on his hands for supporting Prabhupada's killers as his idea of messiah saints, and he has the blood of all of the ISKCON victims on his hands as well since he supported the jack booter's crew. And his idea that worship of Prabhupada is "bogus ritviks," while worship of anus sex with children is messiah, is simply very sick. This is NEVER APPROVED of by the higher authorities, and believe us, there is a much higher authority than Sridhara.

Go and watch Mel Gibson's movie, "The Passion Of Christ." Now imagine, what is the karma of those who killed Jesus? Imagine what is the karma of people who sympathized with the killers? Imagine, what is the karma of those who said, the killers are pure and wonderful saints who need to be worshipped as messiahs, and none should protest -- while they are banning, beating, molesting and killing the devotees of the real messiah. Indeed they are creating mass anal rupturing of God's children? As Sridhara and BV Narayana and other have done? We would not trade our past 50 billion years of bad karma for one moment of their karma in this regard. There is no worse activity than saying the killers of the pure devotee are one's idea of worshipped saints and messiahs. And Sridhara and BV Narayana and similar others will be known, for the next ten thousand years, as the boot lickers and cheerleading advocates of the worship of the killers of someone like Jesus. This is a FACT.

History is on our side here, those who sympathized with the killers of Jesus either knowingly or not, are FOREVER villified, and rightly so. Notice: Sridhara's group, Narayana's group, BV and BP Puri's groups, the IRM, they cannot make any public statement on the poison issue. Sridhara's successor Govinda Maharaja says: he will not comment on the poison issue. No wonder, that is because: they are ALL implicated in supporting the poisoners of the pure devotee as their idea of messiah. Their hands are dirty. Yet avoiding the issue will not make it go away because .... Krishna is not happy when His pure devotee is crucified, either with nails and whips -- or with poison. Nor is He happy with those who certified the killers of His pure devotee as their idea of messiahs. Nor is He happy with the cover-up of these crimes to benefit the perps. That is just -- the reality of life. So we hope that rather than giving us some more of your vitriolic hyperbole, you will actually begin to answer these points, point for point, which have been begging to be answered for many years.

Notice, PADA holds no grudge against any of these people named above, they are simply not in a good position, being the servants of: Judas and Pontius Pilate; LSD messiah cults; child anus raping messiah cults; murdering of devotees messiah cults; the poisoning of the real messiah club, etc. And Narayana Maharaja is condemned simply for one thing, his trying to mix the greatest devotees, the gopis, into all this stool pooja pie as well, never mind he was pals with guru poison club leader Tamal for 15 years. So we feel sorry for them .... they are lost. Rudderless. As Jesus says, "Forgive them Lord, they are simply lost." We simply cry to Krishna every day with tears of joy, thanking Him for saving us from getting eaten alive by this vicious mess. A teeny fox terrier attacked a herd of alligators, and survived? Krishna really is a magical joker? As for Sridhara personally: it all comes down to this. We "contaminated Western fools," the people his crew laughed at in 1970 as "the mlecchas," yes it is us "dogs," us wicked fiend fox terriers, we are the ones who have had to pull the knife out of Prabhupada's back, and identify the attack in the first place, and identify the attackers, while "Prabhupada's friends" like Sridhara and BV Narayana and BV and BP Puri were obliviously having tea and crumpets with the killers of the pure devotee, and worse, saying these killers are their idea of messiah acharyas. So despite we are dogs, we feel sorry for them, they lost their intelligence due to being the bucket boys for Judas and Pontius Pilate. Even us lowly dogs, we are the ones who got the job that we had to pull the knife out of our guru's back, while these Sridhara's were clapping and cheering for the killers who put the knife there and thinking the killers were worshipped acharya messiahs. They are lost souls personified. Krishna, make us a dog and not one of these bogus messiah crew, anytime! thanks pd

Srila Sridhara Maharaja

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada said that the Bagh Bazaar party are the "severe offenders" and that Sridhara Maharaja is a founder of that group.]

* I could reply to all of your lame accusations, but I have to really consider is it worth even trying to change or soften your steellframed heart. You are a bitter bitter person.

[PADA: Just about everyone who has come in contact with Sridhara's false guru lineages is "bitter," not just us? So, now you are saying we should --not-- be bitter with Sridhara maharaja's deviant and homosexual "guru projects"? We should endorse these deviations? We should be happy that, due to his policies -- devotees of God were banned, beaten, molested and killed? Devotees were "crucified," killed on the sacrificial altar of Sridhara maharaja's homosexual worship project. Sorry, Srila Prabhupada was also "bitterly opposed" to ALL false guru projects including Sridhara Maharaja's. He said they are bogus, and worse. However, notice below in your article you finally agree with PADA that Sridhara maharaja's GBC guru lineage is "corrupt and material." So it has taken some of you folks maybe 25 years -- yet finally at least you agree with PADA. Thus we had to be "bitter" otherwise you would still be thinking you are correct to promote the GBC's false guru lineage. We had to expose your bogus guru lineage. Thus, our "bitterness" worked, since you also now agree with us at this point: that Sridhara maharaja's policy of deviants "wearing the uniform" and posing as messiahs and gurus is "corrupt and material." We are the ones who changed YOUR hearts, since you now agree with us. So our policy works, whether you call us ill names or not -- we convinced even you. We "softened" your party's stand.

Of course Sridhara maharaja's successor, Tripurari/ Tom Beaudry still promotes GBC gurus like Virabahu since he was "certified as the next messiah" at the 1986 recoronation of a known homosexual pedophile guru. So Tripurari still supports Sridhara maharaja's "homosex in the holy dham guru lineage" as bona fide. And since Bhavananda is supposedly one of the "Chelsea Girls" in Andy Warhol's homosexual movie, that is also why Tripurari still supports this lineage and Bhavananda's successors like Virabahu. Tripurari has a very strict policy: he only endorses Andy Warhol's disciples such as the Chelesa Girls types, or their appointed successors like Virabahu, as his messiah's guru lineage. Thus, some of your party is STILL saying that Sridhara Maharaja's successors can support: the "corrupt and material" -- as co-fellow messiahs and their bogus Chelsea Girl's guru lineage worship in the Holy Dham? Tripurari still thinks that homosexual pedophile guru recoronation certificates are bona fide for his GBC "guru" pals. Your party is not being consistent? You say the GBC lineage is "corrupt and material" while Tripurari still associates with that lineage and props them up as his idea of "messsiah / gurus." So Tripurari is still bringing homosexual worship to the holy dham, since after all, he was begging them and licking the boots of Andy Warhol's Chelsea Girl's lineage to vote him in as one of their co-members.

So this sounds "bitter" to you: but it is simply pointing to your own contaminated contradictions and hypocrisy. Our pointing that out is "bitterness"? That means you are bitter that your party is being exposed. In short, either Bhavananda's Chelsea Girls GBC guru lineage (and its appointed successors like Virabahu) is bona fide, as Tripurari claims, or it is "corrupt and material" as you claim. Tripurari still preaches in ISKCON temples that Sridhara Maharaja's post 1977 Chelsea Girl's guru lineage is bona fide. Thus, you folks are the "bitter" ones since we point out "you cannot have it both ways." So the reason you "do not reply" is really that: you cannot. You do not have any standardized siddhanta/ policy on these points. You do not even agree with Sridhara maharaja's appointed successor, Tripurari, to start with? You de facto say that Tripurari's idea of support for the GBC's (i.e. Bhavananda's) guru lineage is "corrupt and material." So you are attacking your own "appointed by Sridhara maharaja" acharyas. And what of this:

Prabhupada: That was the policy of Madhava Maharaja and Sridhara Maharaja, that "Although Bhaktivedanta Swami is propagating throughout, he is subordinate to us, under our instruction." So all these three...
Tamala Krishna: A real dream world they are living in.
Bhavananda: Here they have even included our temple in their domain. "The headquarters extends for over a mile with beautiful temples and paddy fields." When we put up our wall, then they will not be able to include us.
(laughter)

Is Prabhupada "bitter" that he mentions that his God brothers are thinking they are his "superiors"? Was Jesus also "bitter" with the Pharisees, so much so, this imperiled his life. Sridhara folks have never even heard about Jesus? Lord Chaitanya was also very "bitter" with the mayavadis, the sahajiyas and so on and so forth. That is the process. By the way, thousands of children were molested by Sridhara Maharaja's idea: that children have to worship homosexual pedophiles as their messiah -- in the holy dham. The "holy dham" became a huge "rape house" for Krishna's children -- thanks in large part -- to folks like Sridhara and Narayana maharaja's deviant policy of supporting this molester guru lineage. Not only are many of these children now "bitter," some of them are having severe problems. We cannot simply "wave off" all these problems generated by Sridhara and Narayana Maharaja's false messiah lineages as insignificant "bitterness." Where is your, even mention, of your policy's victims?

The problems Sridhara and Narayana maharaja's deviant policy created are real-life imbroglios for real people. The Sridhara or Narayana maharaja clan does not even care for the thousands of victims of Sridhara maharaja's policies which he either generated or endorsed. We are not supposed to be "bitter" when Krishna's Vaishnava devotees are banned, beat, mass molested and killed? This is "heartless" in toto. Krishna is Himself "bitter" with people like the Kauravas for mistreating His devotees. And so Krishna said, "ALL of them have to die, for attacking My devotees." Krishna is a "bitter" person? Sridhara maharaja's idea is that Krishna is a steel framed heart -- because He dislikes having His devotees attacked? And He severely punishes the aggressors...

You folks think your victims do not exist? Sorry, they do. For example I was chased down the street with aluminum baseball bats by the goonda club Sridhara supported as his idea of messiahs. I said simply, "child molesters are not gurus and should not be worshipped in the holy dham," and was nearly killed as thanks, just as Sridhara Maharaja got us type of "dissenters" assassinated for objecting to his 1936 false messiahs. What gives Sridhara or Narayana maharajas the authority to orchestrate having me, or anyone else, chased down the street with baseball bats, what to speak of their policy's subsequent mass banning, beating, molesting? Srila Prabhupada says, Sridhara Maharaja HAS NO AUTHORITY to do these things. We say, the holy dham should not be polluted, and as a result we are being chased with baseball bats, while Sridhara maharaja clan chuckles at the molesting and beatings they are causing, "oh we are form breakers"? Read: "Baseball bat head breakers." "Anal reconstructive surgery breakers." Etc. And your "messiahs" poisoned our guru maharaja -- it seems? Form breaker, guru breaker, holy dham breaker, and you are very evidently -- proud of that? Linking the abominable behavior of Andy Warhol's Chelsea Girls homosexual orgy -- to acharyas/ i.e. messiahs like Jesus? And you are proud of that?]

* All of your accusations show you never had any association with Srila Sridhara Maharaja to understand his soft heart.

[PADA: First of all, we never accused Sridhara Maharaja of "not having a soft heart" -- whatever that means. Rather we said that his (siddanta and) policies, that we have to worship deviants as our messiah -- is wrong. And it is. Apart from that, my neighbor is a "soft hearted" pipe welder. Therefore he never recommends that we have to worship deviants as Krishna's successors and "wait and see" as his endorsed deviant messiahs degrade further and further into illicit sex, drugs, rock and roll, child molesting and then orchestrating violence -- and murders to cover their crimes up. Nor would he ever allow this policy to go on is anyone's "holy dham," the way Sridhara maharaja's clan does, because the pipe welder has respect for saints in general and the holy places of any religion.]

* What was the qualification of Srila Sridhara Maharaja? I dont think you have enough guts to look deeper and see. But Srila Sridhara Maharaja on a tape, documented by his own lips, said, "I took shelter of aparadha-bhajana-pat here in Navadvipa Dhama. And I have never left for some sixty years."

[PADA: Yes, Sridhara maharaja's guru Srila Saraswati told him to "go forth and preach" and instead he sat around in one place which Prabhupada says is "joint mess" mentality and "ringing a bell in the temple" That is all very nice for Sridhara Maharaja. Yet notice, Sridhara maharaja also says that the Gaudiya Matha and ISKCON have to take shelter of deviants, including homosexuals, as their messiahs/ diksha gurus and implement the worship of such deviants in the HOLY DHAM. Again, Sridhara maharaja establishes the worship of such deviants as "Krishna's successive messiahs," IN THE HOLY DHAM. Again NOTICE! -- he says we all have to worship his deviant messiahs IN THE HOLY DHAM. He is bringing deviation into the holy dham. So what is the use of his being there? Why didn't he move his deviant messiah project to San Francisco and start a homosexual messiah's worship club over here? He cannot. Why? Because, the people of San Francisco are WAY too smart for his tom-foolery of alleged "spiritual worship." Even the worst case example of homosexuals over here, they do not worship deviants as their messiah. They worship Jesus, a bona fide pure devotee. Sridhara maharaja was startled to hear that Prabhupada had said they are only ringing a bell. So he said, "Well at least we are ringing a bell." Yes, ringing a bell for homosexual worship in the holy dham.

And do not start off now with your typical rant: that PADA is anti-homosexual. Right now for example, AS WE SPEAK (March 2004), we see personally that MANY, many homosexuals and lesbians are standing in line to attend Mel Gibson's movie about Jesus Christ. Many of them are also exiting the theatre looking very moved and obviously feeling extreme empathy for Jesus. Some of them are also crying. But as soon as we say, "Our pure devotee was also crucified with poison," Sridhara's Govinda Maharaja says, "Yes, the poison complaint is valid, ... but I have no comment." He feels nothing and says nothing, just like the GBC, IRM, all of your other heartless crew members, but some of these gays and lesbians, they are out here on the street -- crying with love and empathy -- about their guru, Jesus. That means: they have some feelings for their messiah unlike you steel - framed sabha sector. Thus, in these cases, some homosexuals are WAY more advanced than your party.

Srila Prabhupada says, "Me and Jesus are brothers," and "Just as they killed Jesus they may kill me also." "My only request is, do not torture me ... and put me to death." So Sridhara sat in Mayapura and did not preach, while our Prabhupada did, at his peril. And Prabhupada said he was in the same peril as Jesus. And he was right, he was in the same peril. And as such he was crucified with poison. And when Prabhupada's disciples came to Mayapura, Sridhara contaminated them with the same bogus ideas that he preached in the 1930s, that deviants (and child molesters!) are messiahs. So he tried to ruin Prabhupada's preaching just as he ruined Srila Saraswati's movement. And Sridhara maharaja brings his contaminated messiah ideas into the holy dham. And now that the evidence is out, that "just as Jesus was killed, our guru Prabhupada was killed" Sridhara maharaja folks have "nothing to say." Silent as rocks. Even many San Fransisco gays and lesbians, they have plenty to say. They say: their guru Jesus was mistreated. And he was.

When we announced the poison case in 1997 many GBC "devotees" actually laughed at us, but some nice (karmi?) ladies on roller skates and bikinis, being pulled by their dogs, stopped and asked us for a leaflet. They said, "Oh this man (Prabhupada) said he was being poisoned, HOW AWFUL"! Why do they have such feelings and emotions for the pure devotee? Because: these women are not brainwashed cult members, so that is why they have feelings and emotions for the pure devotees. Tell you Gaudiya Matha folks, or the GBC, or the IRM, the same thing about the poison complaint, and they will spit on the street in disgust, mostly because we are exposing their lack of feeling of any compassion for the poison complaint. These ladies in bikinis are vastly more spiritually advanced than many of your team will become in many lifetimes, since these ladies felt IMMEDIATE empathy and emotion for the pure devotee. Similarly, some pious Christian ladies here in the city, they came out of the Mel Gibson movie about Jesus' crucifixion and they collapsed in a heap on the street crying. And this was such a powerful event, it was reported in the news. These ladies have love and feelings for their guru, not some heartless wenches like your Gaudiya Matha or the GBC and IRM who could not cry about their guru's poison complaint if they were paid ten million dollars to do so. They have no heart. They are, as Sulochana said, "Zombies."

Then again, even these homosexuals and lesbians, practically cent percent of them, they are not going to see some gay pornographic movie at Bhavananda's "Gay-vinda's" restaurant and thinking this is some spiritual process? They understand that "gay porno" is one thing, and their messiah Jesus is another thing. They have the discrimination how to separate these two processes. They never merge "gay porno life," and their messiah -- together as one entity -- as the GBC and Sridhara and Narayana Maharaja's project has. And then the whole world has to worship that odious conglomeration IN THE HOLY DHAM, as the Sridhara maharaja, Tripurari (Tom Beaudry), BV Narayana, BV and BP Puri crew has EVEN forced children to do? These gays and lesbians DO NOT force children to worship molesters and deviants as their messiah ANYWHERE, at any time, -- what to speak of -- in their holy dham.

And then after 1977 Sridhara, Narayana and BV and BP Puri maharajas endorsed the GBC's homosexual pedophile "Vishnupada acharyas." So they "take shelter of the holy dham," so-called, and that is perhaps fine for them. NOTICE! And then they insists that others have to "take shelter" of homosexuals and even pedophiles as their messiah IN THE HOLY DHAM? So they are clearly looking out -- for themselves -- and not others -- or the holy dham? NOTICE! By the way, the GBC's homosexual pedophile guru lineage is still there in the holy dhams (of Mayapura and Vrindavana) contaminating both of those places. Bhavananda and his team are still welcomed and respected in Mayapura along with founder fathers of molester pooja like Jayapataka. So Sridhara and Narayana maharaja have contamined BOTH of our holy dhams by saying these molester guru lineages are bona fide and by their policy of protecting these deviant people. And their team still does not publicly protest and drive these deviants out of the holy dham. So Sridhara and Narayana maharaja bring homosexual worship to the holy dham, how is that helping the holy dham? They are disturbing if not ruining the holy dham. Many of our associates are afraid to even go to the holy dhama, even now, due to Sridhara and Narayana maharajas endorsed violent pedophile "guru lineages," and their propensity to endorse such bogus lineages in the holy dham. And now we have "gay marriage" etc. in the West thanks in part to these polluted things going on in the holy dham -- and from there spreading all over the world thanks to Sridhara and Narayana maharaja and their associates encouraging these polluting processes.]

* And then he then smiled, "That is my only qualification..."

[PADA: This is not what Sridhara or Narayana maharaja tells others to do: "take shelter of the holy dham"? No. They have forced others, including children, to worship homosexuals or even homosexual pedophiles as their messiah and "tirtha." So they are there in the holy dham or "tirtha" and that is good for them, so-called, but then they insist that others have to "take shelter" of deviants and homosexuals as their messiah and "tirtha." And they have even endorsed worship of such deviants in the holy dham. So they have brought forth an epidemic of "anal reconstructive surgery" -- in the holy dham, as some people who were there tell us, as their idea of messiahs. They have polluted and contaminated our holy places with incredible and unspeakable filthiness, child molester pooja. And Narayana Maharaja even wrote a booklet recently, citing Bhagavata maharaja, "There is nothing wrong," with Sridhara maharaja's establishing homosexual worship in 1936, in the HOLY DHAM.]

* Maybe, that is too deep for you to understand.

[PADA: There is nothing "deep" about this at all? There are many babajis and sahajiyas who recommend worship of deviants and homosexuals like Sridhara maharaja and Narayana maharaja do, and some of them reside in the holy dham. Just because deviants are sometimes living in the holy dham, that does not make them authorized? Yet if you ask any hamburger eating karmi, "Should we worship deviants as messiahs" and then, "wait and see as these deviants deteriorate"? They will say, "No, we have to worship the genuine messiah, nothing ersatz allowed." Most karmis have the "deeper" understanding of guru tattva here, i.e. worship of deviants is forbidden, worship of the bona fide pure devotee is the only process alllowed, either at home or in the holy dhama, or anywhere else, end of story. Indeed, almost cent percent of "ignorant karmis" would never recommend the worship of deviants as messiahs. Of course over the years, whenever we asked Sridhara or Narayana maharaja's followers, "Why is your guru supporting homosexual pedophile pooja?," their followers just drooled on their socks and could not utter one word, since they have no idea which or what pooja is correct and which is not. A follower of Narayana Maharaja even recently told us that their booklet, which says "there is nothing wrong" with homosexual worship is BONA FIDE. So I asked, "You mean -- a** raping gurus are bona fide"?" And he said, "Well if Narayana Maharaja says that in his book, then IT IS"! No discrimination -- which even a butcher has, a butcher knows a** raping is not -- messiah? Hello!]

* A Vaisnava always tries to see the positive in everybody.

[PADA: Except Sridhara and Narayana Maharaja? Everyone else sees the "positive" of worship of someone like Jesus or Prabhupada, except Sridhara and Narayana maharaja. They and their followers say that the worship of a bona fide pure devotee as one's messiah is "bogus ritviks" and wrong. Narayana maharaja has even said our idea of not worshpping his homosexual guru lineage in the holy dham is -- "poison." Tripurari has also said our not worshipping his homosexual lineage is "demon." Thus, Sridhara and Narayana maharaja's party "insists" that we need to worship "a living deviant." And when their bogus and deviant messiahs are failing, then they say "wait and see" as their messiah's illicit sex, drugs and rock and roll -- and cult murders -- project spins more and more out of control. They also say "none should protest" as their worship of deviants project goes into a violent tail-spin. So they forbid us from worshipping the bona fide guru, then they say we cannot protest their worship of deviant messiahs' project. And as a result, we are banned, beat and shot. Why do they harass our party and defend the deviants party? Why are they not "positive" to all the devotees, including the devotees who do not want to worship their illicit sex projects as their messiah, in the holy dham?]

* What were you doing before Prabhupada came and saved you. Jerking off in some mental institution? I dont know, may be worst.

[PADA: We Westerners were mostly all worshipping a bona fide pure devotee, namely Lord Jesus. We were not worshipping homosexual gay porno-life, or in sum Sridhara and Narayana maharaja's bogus 1936 Vasudeva project, as Sridhara contended was bona fide and which Narayana Maharaja recently cited -- is not wrong? Even folks in the mental institution, severe psychotics, they do not worship gay porno sex life as their messiah. They have more sense. Of course the behavior of your party's messiahs, man and boy sex, is illegal even to show or sell as a porno video here in the West. Even the porno video business has a higher standard than your party has for your messiahs in the holy dham. Even the porno movie industry has a higher standard for their actors than your party has for your messiahs. Recently, some former female porno stars have come on television saying, that they have now been "saved by Jesus." So even the porno stars only accept a bona fide guru and they would not worship a gay porno messiah, ever. Even the porn stars have vastly greater discrimination about guru tattva than your team. Only your team says we need to be saved by homosexual pooja, in the holy dham.]

* Srila Sridhara Maharaja took birth in Hapaniya in Navadvipa Dhama ...maybe inside your pea brain you can figure out that there is some sukriti (that means pious acitivities if you are still illiterate in Vaisnava siddhanta) there...

[PADA: First, we have to show some minimum respect for the holy dham -- whether we are born there or live there -- or not. Prabhupada says that the residents of the holy dhama known as "the Radha kunda babajis" are actually residents of "naraka kunda" (hell.) That means: we should never endorse the worship of homosexuals and deviants as "Lord Chaitanya's successors in the holy dham," and then "wait and see" as the beatings, mass molesting and murders are going on full tilt -- even in the holy dham. Sridhara maharaja's policy has been polluting the holy dham since 1936. "Tolerate, wait and see" -- as the holy dham is polluted with homosexual messiah worship? And notice his team still does not even try to drive that deviant party out of the dham even today (2004). Around 1986, Nirantara dasa (Nick D'Angelo?) sang "there is homosex in the holy dham," and there has been. And not only homosex, thanks to Sridhara and Narayana maharaja's ideas, we have seen homosexual "Vishnupada" messiahs BEING WORSHIPPED in the holy dham, and resultant mass molesting of children. Again, all this thanks in large part to Sridhara and Narayana's policy of supporting the worship of these deviants (even in the holy dham). Sridhara and Narayana maharaja helped convert the holy dham -- into starving, beating, molesting torture chambers for Krishna's children. Even the worst "pea brains" as you say, would never dream of converting their holy dham into -- a hellish planet of pedophile pooja, even for kids?]

* Also, did it ever dawn on you that Prabhupada was given the title "swami maharaja" when he took sannyasa? SSM defended the title given to his godbrother "Swami Maharaja" ...so what is the problem ...a hole in your head

[PADA: You missed the whole point? Prabhupada was called "swami maharaja" -- outside -- of his mission. By outsiders. Whereas we are discussing the policy for -- inside -- his mission. There he is (and should have been addressed by Sridhara maharaja as): "Prabhupada." Yet we see that when Sridhara maharaja meets with Prabhupada's Western disciples, those INSIDE the mission, he still uses the "outisde" term: "swami maharaja." This is the external and minimized term, and is clearly NOT the proper term. We are discussing Prabhupada, his mission, and his disciples, and not the Gaudiya Matha's circles. Sridhara maharaja is supposed to train us in the proper etiquette of how to address our guru in HIS MISSION. And that is not "swami maharaja." And to say that the proper etiquette term for one's guru is -- "hole in the head" policy? What is that? No wonder, Sridhara maharaja endorsed that homosexuals and pedophiles can use the higher titles -- like Vishnupada/ aka Prabhupada. Homosexual pooja is allowed to use the higher titles, but not Prabhupada. This is the "hole in the head" program. And that is why in Vrindavana and Mayapura, in the holy dhams, the residents there know all about your anus reconstructive surgery messiah project, because some of the doctors there knew of it, and they told others. This is your holey pooja program: in toto. And again, this was going on right on Narayana Maharaja's doorstep when he was sitting with Tamal in 1986, when they AGAIN reinstated homosexual pedophile pooja. Narayana Maharaja then emerged as the biggest cheerleader of that lineage just after they reinstated Bhavananda and they said Kirtanananda is "like Jesus."]

* ...many times he addressed him quite unreserved as "Prabhupada" ...if you cant accept that he had nothing about the title ...then again put the cork back in your hole in your head

[PADA: Sridhara maharaja uses the title "swami maharaja" not only many times, but almost all the time in his conversations with Prabhupada's disciples. He has "much to do" with people using that title, he encouraged that title himself. Nowadays his own followers come up to us and say, "Well swami maharaja said this and swami maharaja said that," and notice: Sridhara and Narayana Maharaja both use this term.]

* ...poisoned: our Prabhupada ...Should we spend our life trying to prove this...duh? Did our Prabhupada spend his entire life trying to prove that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada (notice I also use the word "Prabhupada" after his name also...duh?)

[PADA: No, we should simply accept that he made a poison complaint: and accept that in about two seconds? Why does this take people like you your "whole life"? That means you are doubtful all the time. There is nothing to prove or disprove here: he made a poison complaint. We accept it. Yet, as a matter of fact, the complaint has been verified by various kavirajas, the hindi has been verified by many folks including brijabasis and even your pal Narayana maharaja, and then there is the arsenic forensics, the audio whispers about poison forensics, and so on. So you are not addressing it because you are still protecting the poisoners of the pure devotee despite all the "proof" -- which even the karmis know is "enough" proof. Even the karmis understand the poison complaint is valid and they accept Prabhupada's words more than the entire Sridhara maharaja camp. The karmi audio experts are not "arguing for their whole life," they say the poison complaint is valid.

Of course mayavadis, speculators, munis, sahajiyas, atheists, fools, big puffed-up pundit scholars, they all spend many lifetimes and cannot figure much of anything out. This is stated clearly by Prabhupada, these jnanis and false logicians, they spend many, many, many lifetimes, hundred of lifetimes, thousands of lifetimes, yet they cannot figure out much of anything. But if we take some women in bikinis on roller-blades, being pulled along by their dogs, they understand -- in one second. Again, Srila Prabhupada says that is the difference between the pious person and the motivated false scholars. Even the IRM's biggest pundit and muni, Krishna Kanta Desai, he has become totally bewildered by his own concocted explanation of the poison complaint, so much so, he has had to latch onto Tamal's apron strings and declare the poisoner sabha's main culprit as the IRM's "authority" on the issue. Judas and Pontius Pilate are the higher authority than -- Jesus? This is called "Buddhi nasa."]

* Did Mahaprabhu spend his entire life, gagging on the mayavadi crap and lies ...duh?

[PADA: Prabhupada's words are "gagging mayavadi crap"? No, we accept his words, he made a poison complaint and we accept. Bas.]

* tarko'pratistanat ...argue argue argue argue ad infinitum

[PADA: Well yes, except even the karmi audio, police and FBI experts, they DO accept the vani of the pure devotee (poison complaint). There is nothing to "argue" here, there is a bona fide poison complaint. You are the ones who are arguing against Prabhupada, just like you argued that Prabhupada's idea to worship a pure devotee is "bogus ritviks." Yet even many karmis are not bewildered, they just accept the words of the pure devotee. You will go on as doubting Thomases for centuries, maybe millions of centuries, while even the karmis, some of them accept -- in a few minutes.]

* ...why keep going on and denouncing Bhavananda or whoever as homosexual pedophiles ...is that something NEW in any corrupted society this material world? duh?

[PADA: What? Your party are the people who endorsed Bhavananada as your idea of Vishnupada messiah, and your team said he must "wear the messiah's uniform," -- while we (PADA) are the ones who said Bhavananda is "a corrupt part of the material world." You forget: Sridhara maharaja's whole idea -- that these deviants are messiahs? Now you are preaching against Sridhara maharaja and agreeing -- with us? You are now an official PADA member! That is what we said all along, that Bhavananda is a corrupt part of the material world, and that Sridhara maharaja is WRONG to declare these deviant parties as messiahs. You now agree with PADA. That is the good news here, you are publicly denouncing Sridhara maharaja's guru lineage ideas as "corrupt and material." Bravo!

PADA is one the those who said early on that Bhavananda is a corrupt person, part of the material world. And as a result we were kicked out of ISKCON because -- it is Sridhara maharaja who said -- Bhavananda's party are acharyas/ messiahs, and PADA should not protest that ("corrupt and material"?) messiah process? Again, it is you who is now finally saying that Sridhara and Narayana maharaja's policy of endorsing the GBC as messiahs is "corrupt and material." We agree. So yes, Sridhara and Narayana maharaja are simply exponents of bogus, corrupt, material so-called religion. No, this is not something new, it is called apa-siddhanta, or corruption of the Vedic principles.

Sridhara and Narayana maharaja's guru lineage has homosexuals in it. So any "link" in a chain, past or present, is part of the chain NOW. Vasudeva, Bhavananda and others are "links" in their "chain of gurus," thus they are STILL part of their succession. Sridhara and Narayana maharajas should have issued a proclamation, homosexuals are not gurus, gurus are not appointed, gurus are not voted in, but no, they say, when your guru is doing the hokey pokey, while stoned on drugs, while listening to Rock and Roll music, "wait and see." So any link that "was" in the chain is equal to any other link. Sridhara maharaja says homosexuals are sometimes links. Srila Prabhupada below says Sridhara Maharaja's policy is "cheating" for making these false gurus:

Prabhupada: "Then you'll not be effective. You can cheat, but it will not be effective. Just see our Gaudiya Matha. Everyone wanted to become guru, and a small temple and 'guru.' What kind of guru? No publication, no preaching, simply bring some foodstuff... My Guru Maharaja used to say, "Joint mess," a place for eating and sleeping. Amar amar ara takana (?)(Bengali): 'Joint mess." He said this.'"

In sum, Prabhupada said that most of these "gurus" in Mayapura are cockroach acharyas. He said that they only think they are Garuda Birds, but they are cockroaches. So either corrupt, material, cockroaches, they are not bona fide guru lineages.

* Use your godsaken intelligence, pea brain and wake up ...otherwise ...your vomit should not be eaten by yourself over and over... Look at the beauty of every individual ...love thy enemy

[PADA: Sridhara Maharaja folks never love others. Rather they give us glares and stares and call us "offenders," while Narayana Maharaja says simply that our non-homosexual pedophile guru lineage concept is simply "poison." As soon as they find we are not cooperating with their "anus sex is the messiah project," they give us stares, glares, hatred, and a hard time. Sridhara maharaja's successor Tripurari also yelled at us and called us "demon" because we would not worship his anus sex pals as our messiahs. You are the ones who are the barking attack dogs, we are simply defending.]

* ...duh ...very hard to do, isnt it ...very hard ...you sound like some whining, moaning jewish priest outside of Mel Gibson's The Passion of Christ...

[PADA: A few (not ritvik) devotees in San Francisco recently said to me that PADA is "the Mel Gibson of ISKCON." (Due to forwarding the poison case)? They apparently think PADA's approach to the poison case is a little too dramatic. So this is surprising, that you think the direct opposite, that the PADA editor is like the rabbis who are protesting Mel's film? Sorry, we agree with many Christian scholars who attribute Mel Gibson to creating a "mini revival" of Christianity. Mel was depressed and actually suicidal a few years ago, and so he said he knew: he had to "find Jesus." And he did. And so now, he claims that since Jesus saved his life, he made this movie as a tribute. PADA happens to think that since the movie has sparked interest in religion and Jesus, that is a good thing. Therefore your comparing us to the critics of this film is wrong. Apart from that, some of the Krishna devotees who saw the film said "it makes the poison issue come to life." This film has even helped some Krishna devotees understand the poison issue better. This is also a good result: is it not?

In any case the GBC is implicated in Prabhupada's poison complaint, and Sridhara and Narayana maharaja are implicated in upholding the GBC's prime culprits as: messiahs. We are saying not more than a few of the ISKCON devotees are implicated, but clearly some of the GBC are implicated as culprits. And for sure, Sridhara and Narayana et al. are implicated in Prabhupada's poison affair as -- the defenders of the worship of the poison sabha as their idea of messiahs. So your example falls apart. We are defending -- the establishing a case for either crucifixion or poison, while you and other critics and/or ex-supporters of Tamal want to hide it. Especially, we should ask why Prabhupada says, "Just as they killed Jesus, they may kill me also." And: "My only request is, do not torture me and put me to death."

So you GBC sympathizers are the ones who are like the critics of Mel's film -- because you are against having this exposed and forwarded: It makes your team look bad since you forwarded worship of the poisoners as your idea of messiahs. It is for the same reason the IRM's Krishna Kanta Desai vehemently opposes the poison case. His team also said the poisoners are their messiahs, and so this makes them look just as foolish as Sridhara maharaja et al. And just to try and save a few foolish egos, some of them stand outside the movie house and protest, totally unaware of the emotion and love for guru experienced by the people who are actually watching the film. And many of your Gaudiya Matha folks are more or less in this category. For example, Narayana Maharaja folks just wrote a paper how they have "loving repartee" with the poson sabha leader Tamal, and Sridhara maharaja folks still recently said "PADA is offender" becasue they too are angry we forwarded the poison complaint from the pure devotee. They still want to cover up for their poison pals so we are "offender" because we do not worship Judas and Pontius Pilate et al. So you are like the critics outside the theatre, that is your team, not us. And recently Krishna Kanta Desai "went ballistic" at the mention of the poison case, because he too is another cover-up man just like Ravindra Swarupa "goes ballistic" over complaints about the evil cadre. So go ahead and go ballistic, hide, cover, who cares, satyam eva jayate, truth will prevail: "My only request is, do not torture me and put me to death." That is: the truth.]

* Maybe, one day you will get a reply point by point to your alphabetic nonsense ...but I doubt if you would give it good thought ...your mind is lost in the void ...you have voided out to anything positive ...and I know you will reply with more spit and anger ...I wont be surprised ...life is too short to be licking open wounds or filling them in with your salt and scum...

[PADA: Molested children are scum? You sound like Sanat, Mukunda and Jaya Krishna. Prabhupada loved these children and he said they are the future hope of his mission. He said: our duty is to help them. Prabhupada's poison complaint is also scum? Well, you sound like a protestor to Mel Gibson's movie, trying to minimize these events?]

* grow up

[PADA: At least you folks have "grown" somewhat, you at least now agree to what we said in the late 1970s, these GBC are not messiahs, they are corrupt. It has only taken some of you folks 23 years to grow up and catch up to us, but better late than never?]

* ......and reply with something sweet or just fade away into some dark, dark, dark hole of a cesspool where you can yell all day about NOTHING WORTHWHILE... Oh, my god, yes and thanks for all the other emails ...I am sure think that they all support your blindness and deviant criticisms...

[PADA: I do not care who supports what, or who does what, the truth is the truth.]

Satsvarupa: If you associate with a certain type of people, your reputation will be that you are like them, and you'll become like them. Prabhupada: (chuckling) So our Sridhara Maharaja's associates are not very good. Then what is his position?

[PADA: Yes, Sridhara Maharaja is "associating" with the worst critics of Prabhupada on the planet like Madhava Maharaja and others who just, well -- hated Prabhupada. They tried to halt Prabhupada's work and so he said "Some of my God brothers might commit violence upon me" (just after Madhava visited and insulted him). And Tripurari hangs out with homosexual pedophile certified gurus .... just as Prabhupada says, these Gaudiya Matha folks are birds of the same feather.]

Jayapataka: ... Actually I am afraid. Madhava Maharaja he invited me to attend his program, some festival day.
Prabhupada: Where?
Jayapataka: At his Maoha.
Prabhupada: Ten days? Ten days.
Jayapataka: No, it was a three-day program. He invited us for one day. But I was afraid to go. He might even poison me. They personally went...

[PADA: This was one of Sridhara maharaja's associates, a person who wanted to "poison" (Prabhupada or?) his devotees? Poison sabha.]

Satsvarupa: It cannot be said that he (Sridhara maharaja) is opposed to them (Prabhupada's critics).
Prabhupada: Hm?
Satsvarupa: You cannot say he is opposed to them if he always associates with them. They're envious...
Prabhupada: (sarcastically) Very good (Sridhara maharaja's) associates. That is his associate. He may not be very... No, everyone is not openly envious, everyone, but we can understand by behavior. Nobody is openly envious.

[PADA: Notice: Sridhara maharaja is not openly envious, but behind the scenes, he is envious because he is always associating with those who are envious as "we can understand by his behavior." Similarly we can understand the behavior of Tamal's "intimate repartee" friends like Narayana Maharaja.]

Satsvarupa: Just by keeping apart, he..., that..., he shows there's some enviousness.
Prabhupada: Sridhara Maharaja is little...

[PADA: Good point, Sridhara maharaja was always "apart" and not associating with Srila Prabhupada, rather he chose to associate with the envious.]

Tamala Krishna: He read it?
Prabhupada: I think so.
Tamala Krishna: Did he make any comment?
Prabhupada: He (Sridhara maharaja) cannot make any comment. These are facts. Two parties there were. One party, to use guru as their instrument for self-aggrandizement, and another party left guru. So both of them are offenders. This Kunja Babu, this Tirtha Maharaja's party, he wanted to enjoy senses through guru. And the Bagh Bazaar party, they left.
Tamala Krishna: Vasudeva.
Prabhupada: So both of them are severe offenders.
Tamala Krishna: What about Sridhara Maharaja?
Prabhupada: Sridhara Maharaja belonged to the Bagh Bazaar party. And I was living aloof. My Guru Maharaja approved. He said, "It is better that he is aloof from them."
Tamala Krishna: He could understand that his disciples were not...

[PADA: Notice Sridhara maharaja's Bagh Bazaar party "left" their guru and his mission. This is called "guru tyagi." Sridhar maharaja's party thus abandoned their guru's order to make a governing body, and they simultaneously concocted their idea that pure devotees are "mad fools" who "wear a uniform." Again, here in San Francisco we have the local "Studs and Suds" beer parlour, and in that place the homosexuals and trans-sexuals hold their "Marylyn Monroe look alike contests." The local Chelsea Girls. Now notice, even the people in the "Studs and Suds" -- they would surely know BETTER than your entire team: that people like Jesus are (acharya) messiah; that messiahs are not criminal deviants and sexual molesters who are merely "wearing a uniform"; messiahs are not "mad after illlict sex, money and followers"; messiahs are not orchestrating banning, beating, molesting and murder; and that while these odious things are going on under the jackboots of such false messiahs, we must "tolerate, wait and see" -- all of which -- are policies your party has militantly and vociferously upheld in post 1936 and post 1977, or as Prabhupada says "Sridhara maharaja insisted on it."

In other words, even the actual Chelsea Girls at the Studs and Suds have a better grip on guru tattva than some of Sridhara maharaja's followers will EVER have. Tripurari still distributes Sridhara maharaja's book "Sri Guru And His Grace" which states that acharyas (messiah gurus) are "mad" fools -- who are chasing illicit sex, money and followers. So your party has not only "left guru," you are daily insulting guru and harassing their followers. And your party is connected to the banning, beating, molesting and murders of the followers of the bona fide messiahs. Notice, not one single person in the Studs and Suds has caused this type of malefic mischeif to anyone EVER!!!! You people are walking around with your head in the air thinking you are the highest devotees, while even the participants at the Studs and Suds have VASTLY greater understanding of: "what is a messiah and what is not," than most of you will ever have.

And the reason is clear, your party LEFT YOUR GURU. And as such, your party -- left the Vedic point of view. And you have even gone way out of touch with the somewhat moderate point of view of the average pious man, you are even way afield of the Chelsea Girls who have a better understanding of what is a messiah. The average karmi KNOWS that messiahs are God's actual representatives and not "mad fools." And indeed as a result of your accumulated offenses, even the Studs and Suds crew beats you by millions of light years because, they are not ATTACKING the position of guru. "Better to be aloof from Sridhara maharaja," amen! And your party has been saying the Judas and Pontius Pilate are your idea of messiahs. So, your party left guru -- and then supported the Satanic as your gurus, and you brought your reign of hell into the holy dham, thus you ARE the personified enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles regime, IN THE HOLY DHAM.

And that is why Sridhara maharaja's successor Tripurari / Tom Beaudry still licks the boots of Virabahu and other members of the molester guru cult since they are "voted in at the recoronation of a known Andy Warhol -- Chelsea Girl/ child molester 'Vishnupada' in holy dham" -- and guru poisoners -- they are still your team's idea of messiahs. So go rent the Chelsea Girl's movie if you want to study the lila of some of the messiahs Sridhara endorsed, or if you want to see the "links" in Virabahu's chain of gurus (which Tripurari endorses). And let us not forget that Tripurari himself was trying to get a guru certificate from the Chelsea Girl's messiah club, and he said I was a demon when I asked him why he was supporting Chelsea Girls as his messiah. So your team mates are still poisoning the holy dham by supporting the GBC/ Virabahu/ Chelsea girls suck session of gurus, so your team mates have still "left guru" ... Thanks pd]

SRIDHARA MAHARAJA'S "Form v substance"

MADHAI: Those who want the form ... get the form ... tough luck..!

[PADA: Sridhara Maharaja said ISKCON needs to worship "the (bodily) form" ... of homosexuals and pedophiles. Sridhara's camp says now, ok since we forced. children to follow our advice, and they got molested, "tough luck"? Yes, thousand of children were molested thanks to Sridhara Maharaja's cramming child molesters down children's throats as those children's "messiahs." And now, so what, who cares? Sridhara Maharaja's camp has no concern for their victims? "Our Sridhara Maharaja policy got you children molested, now we say, so what, tough luck"? The children being molested is not the result of "tough luck," rather this is the result of the policy of Sridhara Maharaja: that the children have to worship (the bodily form of) child molesters -- as their messiahs.

And worse, the GBC/ Sridhara/ Narayana/ Mahaksa dasa clan say the same thing, the new disciples/ children have the responsibility of "selecting" their guru. Five year old children have to "select" their guru? And if they make the wrong choice: they get molested? What kind of "policy" is this? The children also had no "choice," they were told they had to worship the GBC's homosexual guru project by people like the GBC/ Sridhara Maharaja/ Narayana Maharaja. The Sridhara Maharaja team claimed that children HAD to worship homosexual's "forms" as their messiahs (substance). These deviants have no idea what is actually form and substance? Sridhara Maharaja also says that the neophyte GBC's "forms" should "wear the uniform" of the "substance." Srila Prabhupada says that Sridhara's "wear the uniform" idea is like "putting a crown on a dog and making him the king."

Sridhara is merely repeating what Jim Jones, David Koresh, Jayatirtha, and many other deviants said, "let us dress up our neophyte's form -- as messiah's." Sridhara's idea is from where Kirtanananda got his whack job idea to wear a big crown, carry a scepter, dress in flowing silk robes, and ride in a palanquin. Sridhara Maharaja told Kirtanananda to "wear a big uniform." Of course, Jim Jones used to dress up in silk pants and shirt, thinking that made him another messiah since he followed Sridhara's advice to "wear the uniform"? Did Kirtanananda's or Jim Jones' "wearing the uniform" make them pure? Nope!

Of course, here at the San Francisco Gay festival parade, we see people wearing all kinds of elaborate "uniforms" -- as kings, saints, swamis, clowns ... and who knows what else, but that does not make them the same person -- as their uniform? Nope. Only Sridhara Maharaja cannot understand that the form (the uniform) is -- not -- the substance? This is sahajiya, since they also think that by dressing up as a gopi, one becomes a gopi. Srila Prabhupada calls them "offensive fools." Sridhara Maharaja "dressed-up" another homosexual as his acharya in 1936 as well, since he likes to "dress up" fools as his messiahs. And Narayana Maharaja says "there is nothing wrong with this" since he also dresses up his favorite homosexuals as his messiahs, and he thinks they are the next Jesus. Sridhara Maharaja thought that by dressing up Jayatirtha as his Jesus, we would have another Jesus, but instead we had illicit sex, drugs, murder, just as his bogus messiahs orchestrated in post 1936. Sorry, illicit sex, drugs, and murder, are not ... "Jesus." It is interesting to note that the Sridhara folks are still addressing their LSD, sex fool messiah "Jayatirtha" as "Sripad" and Narayana Maharaja calls his homosexual guru lineage pals his "Sripadas." "Sripada" means that the Sridhara and Narayana clan still worship the pedophiles and murderers as their worshipped Sripada/ messiahs. Sripad -- Beelzebub?

Madhai: HDG Srila Prabhupada said in front of the whole assembly of devotees in Mayapura that Srila Sridhara Maharaja Is his Siksa Guru.

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada also said that Jayatirtha is my tirtha, so we are all supposed to worship LSD now?]

Madhai: What to speak of the benifit we could recieve from him. Is HDG Srila Prabhupada a fool? A liar?

[PADA: No, Srila Prabhupada said so many nice things about so many people, but that does not mean they have a licence to declare homosexual pedophiles are Krishna's acharyas?]

Madhai: Also HDG Srila Prabhupad Bhaktisiddanta said that HDG Srila Sridhara Maharaja was carrying the conception of Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura.

[PADA: Sridhara Maharaja artificially declared that homosexuals were his gurus in 1936, and he did the same thing in 1977. How is that "the conception of Srila Bhaktivinode?]

Madhai: And he was happy that at least one man understood him.

[PADA: When did Srila Saraswati appoint any gurus, as Sridhara Maharaja claimed he did?]

Madhai: As i said this line is a siksha line, not diksha.

[PADA: Wrong. That is not what Sridhara said, he said we are a diksha line and we need homosexuals to give the diksha.]

Madhai: Only those who are blessed can get it, seems your not.

[PADA: Worshipping homosexual pedophiles as messiahs is "a blessing"?]

Madhai: I ain't defending Sripad Jaytirtha.

[PADA: Illicit sex and drugs is "Sripad"?]

Madhai: Srila Shridhara Maharaja was given charge of the REAL Sampradaya not some external brick and mortar conception.

[PADA: Wrong, Sridhara Maharaja said we need to worship deviants to maintain ISKCON, the bricks and mortar?]

Madhai: Sadly you will never understand this, you just wanna keep puking-out your foul mouth obscenities. Why all all the talk of child molestation ... got something on ur mind..?

[PADA: Good point, why is the GBC/ Gaudiya Matha/ Sridhara/ Narayana folks always forwarding homosexuals as their messiahs? What is on their minds?]

Madhai: Srila Prabhupada and Srila Sridhar Maharaja are great friends ... They both say so.

[PADA: If I say that homosexual pedophiles are the liviing successors to my best friend, that means I am insulting my friend?]

Madhai: Why dont u listen.

[PADA: We have listened, Sridhara Maharaja wants us to worship the living pedophile and this has not worked well for anyone.]

PADA: When we first went to Mayapura we were told not to visit Sridhara's matha because when Himavati went there his disciples and members were insulting Srila Prabhupada as "the guru of the hippies." She came back crying and Srila Prabhupada said, no one should visit there. Sridhara was also best friends with Madhava maharaja, who came over and was nearly spitting in Prabhupada's face and yelling at him for using the title of "Prabhupada." Srila Prabhupada wrote to Sridhara and said, can you tell your good friend Madhava not to cause me so much trouble. And so on, Sridhara was also the leader of the "severe offender" Bagha Bazaar party Srila Prabhupada mentions in 1977. "Amongst my God brothers no one is qualified to be acharya ESPECIALLY SRIDHARA, that is what Srila Prabhupada wrote in 1974. When any of the bogus gurus were in trouble with sex, drugs and crimes, like Hansadutta, Ramesvara, Jayatirtha, Tamal, etc. ... Sriddhara said, they must remain as gurus, he said that from 1978 onwards, he was their biggest booster, which is what he did in 1936, he boosted a homosexual as the guru, and people were banned, beaten and killed, so he likes to promote these projects. thanks pd

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