Dear Tarunyam, prabhu I am going to answer your letter in two parts and post it to my associates and blog.

Letter to Tarunyam part 1.

TARUNYAM: KESAVA MHRJ & SRIDHAR MHRJ LEFT, SEPARATED FROM (64) GAUDIYA MATH BY 1940 & FORMED THEIR OWN BRANCH - 1ST DEVANANDA GAUDIYA MATH, THEN CHAITANYA SARASWAT MATH.

[PADA: You are correct. After Sridhara Maharaja first of all crams his violent cults of homosexual and / or pedophile "Jesus like gurus" down innocent people's throats, and the poor members of the Gaudiya Matha are are being banned, beat and assassinated, then the founder father of the whole homosexual pooja policy, aka Sridhara Maharaja, he just walks off and does nothing at all to help his victims. We agree. And Narayana Maharaja writes a book which cites "there was nothing wrong with this," since he also supports homosexual gurus and violence and murders of us dissenters, in fact NM says we are poison, because he wants to get us assassinated by calling us evil names. NM thinks anyone who does not worship his child buggery messiahs program is poison.

So yes, you are correct, in 1936 Sridhara Maharaja founded the homosexual's acharya and guru program, an then by 1940 he simply sat back and watched people getting beaten with bricks, having their faces pushed into dogs stools, and being beaten to death. Sridhara Maharaja just ran off and did nothing whatsoever to help his victims. Correct. Sridhara Maharaja just sits around drinking lassis under a tree "watching all the fun." Srila Prabhupada said Sridhara Maharaja's false guru process "started a fire in the matha," and while his victims are being burned to death in the fire started by Sridhara Maharaja, then Sridhara Maharaja never even lifted a finger to help the people his policy victimized. I agree with you whole heartedly, he created hell on earth for the Vaishnavas and then simply walked off and let them suffer. No mercy whatsoever, and no idea that mercy is needed even.

That is what Srila Prabhupada says, one bogus part deviated, one bogus party left. Sridhara did both! So we agree with you, Sridhara Maharaja's false guru policy causes violent cults and then he just sits idly by and watches as people are beaten and killed, just like he ALSO did nothing when he supported the post-1977 pedophile gurus and our children were getting molested. He did say that ISKCON leaders would "dig their own grave" -- so he sits back as the children get molested and go into the grave, no concern whatsoever, let them all go into the grave. Toss the kids in a hole and cover it up. Bury the kids alive. No feelings whatsoever. Agreed. Sulochana said that too, SM is burying our kids alive, and he has no feelings for these children whatsoever. "Let em all die, who gives a rat's butt"? Agreed.

Of course, Sridhara Maharaja did do something, he defended the pedophile pooja and told us "none should protest" ... apparently so his policy could get more kids molested, and more of us shot to death. So you are right, Sridhara creates hell for the devotees of God, and little children, and when the poor devotees are being banned, beat and killed due to Sridhara Maharaja's bogus propaganda, he then walks away as if nothing is wrong. Agreed.]

TD: WHO TOLD U THIS? WHO IS THE RASCAL WHO TOLD U THIS? I KICK ON HIS FACE ETERNALLY, NO MATTER WHO HE MAY B. I NOT ONLY KICK ON HIS FACE, I ALSO SH-T DOWN HIS THROAT.

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada says that Sridhara and his associates ruined the Gaudiya Matha by supporting false gurus, it is in a letter to Rupanuga and Sridhara Maharaja's role of support for deviants is found in many other citations. Srila Prabhupada says "Sridhara Maharaja is responsible," not Santa Claus. Now you are saying Srila Prabhupada is a rascal because he does not accept Sridhara's homosexual acharya process? That puts me in very good company indeed! Yes, me and Srila Prabhupada are both "rascals" for disagreeing with SM's molester messiahs projects. Agreed! I'll stick with the rascals then, hey, hey, hey!]

* and of course Sridhara Maharaj's guru was a bi-sexual man

TD: HIS GURU WAS OUR PARAM-GURU SBSST LIFELONG BRAHMACARI

[PADA: No, Sridhara Maharaja promoted a post-1936 HOMOSEXUAL guru named Ananta Vasudeva. Sridhara Maharaja said that the worship of SST was bogus (ritviks)? Sridhara Maharaja thwarted the worship of SST. Sridhara Maharaja halted the worship of SST (bogus ritviks?) and the guru Sridhara Maharaja promoted instead was a homosexual man who had thousands of innocent people banned, beaten and some assassinated. Sridhara Maharaja said that the people who wanted to worship SST were bogus because he wanted to promote his living person, namely Sridhara's homosexual "pet friend." By the way, Srila Prabhupada said that Professor Sannyal was Sridhara Maharaja's assistant and he died shortly after 1936 because Krishna saved him by killing him, so he would not be able to continue working with Sridhara Maharaja's severely offensive homosexual guru project. Srila Prabhupada says Professor Sannyal was the best of this lot, so .. he was killed BY KRISHNA so he would stop the offenses, whereas Sridhara Maharaja was not so dear to Krishna, so he lived and went on supporting his homosexual messiahs project.]

"there was nothing wrong with this"

TD: WHICH BOOK? WHAT PAGE?

[PADA: You are not even reading the books of Narayana Maharaja? It is in his "Guru Tattva" booklet, and we have cited it thousands of times, it is in print.]

TD: SULOCHAN WAS A FRIEND. HE SHOULD HAVE SEARCHED FOR A SIKSA-GURU INSTEAD OF

[PADA: Sulochana told me he would never accept Sridhara Maharaja because Sulochana said that we cannot accept siksha from the founder fathers of the homosexual guru process like Sridhara Maharaja. Sulochana also used to say Sridhara was pro-homosexual pedophile guru as well since SM supported the GBC's homosexual and pedophile guru project. Sulochana used to say that the supporters and advisors of the GBC's gurus are "boot lickers for the butt busters." Sulochana saw that Sridhara Maharaja was our biggest problem since he was their shastric "advisor," shiksha guru and enforcer.]

* molested children, were "just getting their karma."

TD: SO U BELIEVE PRABHUPAD WAS NOT OMNISCIENT? NOT TRI-KALA-JNA?

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada never told the ISKCON children to worship homosexual pedophiles as their gurus? You are confusing him with Sridhara Mahraja who said the children need to worship his living (pedophiles) as gurus. Yes, SP is tri-kala, so he said, avoid Sridhara's program because then we will have homosexual gurus. He was right on.]

* Q: When was your team of folks authorized to orchestrate having children mass molested and personally dispense their "bad karma" to them?

TD: WHAT TEAM? SRIDHAR MHRJ SAID SOME GBC MEMBERS HAD A DEFEATEST MENTALITY? U ALSO?

[PADA: I have to accept Sridhara Maharaja's homosexual and pedophile gurus or I am a "defeatest"?]

TD: WHIPMASTERS? ORCHESTRATING? In sum, who authorized u folks to create a policy of "Auschwitz for children"? AUSCHWITZ?

[PADA: Yes, some of the ex-children victims of the Sridhara and Narayana orchestrated ISKCON homosexual pedophile guru programs told me they were treated like Auschwitz for kids. Some of them have even commited suicide, I am sorry you people keep no track of your victims. You have some blood on your army tank treads, and yet you never even wonder where it came from?]

* And y r u implying that this is what Srila Prabhupad wanted and ordered -- to follow Sridhar into another homosexual guru process and jeapordize children?

TD: SO ACCORDING TO PADA = U, PRABHUPAD WAS A TERRIBLE PERSON BECAUSE PRABHUPAD ALLOWED CHILD MOLESTATION IN DALLAS & SO MANY OTHER PLACES WITHIN HIS OWN MISSION. WE DISAGREE.

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada never said we should force our children to worship homosexual pedophiles as Krishna's successors and mass molest the children, no, this was and is the post-1977 policy supported by Sridhara and Narayana. Yes, a few children were molested in Dallas before 1977, and Srila Prabhupada said we have to guard from this, but after 1977 thousands were molested by the pedophile messiah project supported and promoted by Sridhara and Narayana. We never had thousands of molestings before 1977.]

* Sridhar Maharaj "should not be consulted because his advice is very competent to harm our mission."

TD: IF U GIVE A FOOL GOOD ADVICE HE BECOMES ANGRY.

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada gave us good advice, avoid Sridhara because then we will have homosexual gurus, and then we will have the banning, beating and killing of the Lord's devotees, he was right. I am not angery, I accept his advice as valid. He was right.]

y do u want to harm the mission of Lord Chaitanya by adding homosexuals to parampara, Sridhar's favorite pastime?

TD: SRILA BHAKTI-RAKSAKA SRIDHAR MHRJ WAS CELIBATE FOR AT LEAST 62 YRS 1926-1988 & SANNYAS 1930-1988 68 YRS.

[PADA: So what? Yes, he was celibate himself, but who cares, he is the world's biggest promoter of homosexual gurus after 1936, and the world's biggest promoter of the GBC's homosexual and pedophile gurus after 1977. In fact in 1980, it was Sridhara Maharaja who personally reinistating Tamal, Hansadutta, Ramesvara, Jayatirtha and others, telling us "none should protest," and in this way he did the same thing he did after 1936, got people banned, beat, killed, but this time he also got thousands of kids molested.

By keeping all these fools in the post of guru he ALSO kept "Bhavananda Vishnupada" program going and so on, so Sridhara Maharaja is responsible for putting homosexual pedophile "Vishnupada" into the holy dham. He says he is protecting the holy dham, but in fact he is putting child buggery messiahs into the holy dham, and so thousands of children were molested thanks to SM supporting a child molester messiahs project.]

* "r all of u Krishna's gays"?

TD: AND WHAT DO U TELL THEM?

[PADA: I tell them that Sridhara and Narayana are bogus for promoting homosexuals and pedophiles as God's messiah successors. Even Christians write me and they are very upset with the Sridhara and Narayana homosexual and pedophiles messiahs project, they are offended as well. END PART 1. Thanks pd]

Letter to Tarunyam (Tarun Krishna das) part 2.

Tarunyam dasa (TD): PRABHUPAD PERFORMED BALI-MARDAN'S WEDDING. ANYONE CAN SEE IT IN THE KRSNA PEOPLE FILM. THE MOST RIDICULOUS RITUAL EVER IN ALL OF VEDIK HISTORY.

[PADA: Yet Bali Mardan is not saying he is a messiah and acharya? Notice how the Sridhara and Narayana Maharaja folks are saying that Srila Prabhupada is bogus for his making "the most ridiculous rituals in Vedic history." The Sridhara and Narayana folks are ATTACKING and INSULTING Srila Prabhupada directly: "Srila Prabhupada is the most ridiculous person in Vedic history," and this is why Srila Prabhupada says that his God brothers are envious of him, they always insult the acharya and so AVOID all of them.

Of course, the real problem here is that Srila Prabhupada does not support their program of worship of homosexuals and pedophiles as guru - messiahs, like Sridhara and Narayana maharajas have done, so the deviants think that by calling Srila Prabhupada ill names then they can then validate their molester messiah's project. No, it is simply going to expose that not only are they supporting deviants as gurus, they are insulting the actual gurus. There are too many extensive other insults given to Srila Prabhupada by this group, such as the famous video of "Narayana Maharaja insulting Srila Prabhupada" on youtube, simply too extensive to cite herein. Nothing new!]

TD: PRABHUPAD HIMSELF HAD TO HOLD IN HIS LAUGHTER.

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada tried to encourage Bali Mardan, yet the real point is that performing Bali Mardan's marriage ceremony harms no one? Whereas Sridhara and Narayana maharaja's support of homosexual gurus after 1936 and child molesters as messiahs "gurus" after 1977 harms children, and gets us dissenters assassinated. Tarun is basically saying that it is fine for Sridhara and Narayana maharaja to support child molesters as messiahs, and get children molested and us dissenters murdered ... all because Bali Mardan was married? He is mixing apples and organges. Srila Prabhupada encouraged Bali Mardan, fine, but that is not the same as propping up a child molester's messiah's cult? The Sridhara Maharaja folks think that (a) Srila Prabhupada's "marriage," and (b) Sridhara and Narayana's false gurus program of children being systematically starved, beat and molested, while Narayana Maharaja is singing rasika verses to the molester messiah leaders, are ...
all one and the same thing? This proves Srila Prabhupada's point that his God Brothers ... have no discrimination (and no mercy either).]

* And so result of Sridhar's propping up Jayatirtha as a guru was that he had his head chopped off because Sridhar WRONGLY told him to continue on as guru.

TD: AFTER PRABHUPAD WRONGLY NAMED HIM GURU. PRABHUPAD HAD A TENDENCY TO GIVE GAY'S SANNYAS. LET THEM LEAD THE GOVINDA PRAYERS IN ALL HIS TEMPLES STILL TO THIS DAY WORLDWIDE. WHAT A SHAME. AND INCLUDE THEM ON HIS SUCCESSOR LIST. EVEN MORE SHAMEFUL.

[PADA: Once again notice how the Sridhara and Narayana maharaja team are still saying that Srila Prabhupada "named" and thus "appointed" eleven conditioned souls as gurus, and as his successors, and so Srila Prabhupada is "wrong and shameful." The problem is that there is no evidence that Srila Prabhupada "named and appointed" any guru successors whatsoever. Even ex-Sudhir Krishna swami (Sridhara Maharaja's confidante) told us that Sridhara Maharaja had merely "assumed" that the eleven were gurus. If we study the evidence, and we have it all listed on our harekrsna dot org web site, we will find that Srila Prabhupada CONSTANTLY said his followers are "puppy brains" and not fit for guru and messiahs.

Besides, Srila Prabhupada had already said in early 1977 that his followers were not EVEN fit for sannyasa, and that "everyone should get married." Then, less than a year later, Sridhara Maharaja and other fools endorsed that "those unfit for sannyasa" are gurus. This is foolishness. Narayana Maharaja even said that they are all monkeys, then he went ahead and said the eleven are gurus. Tarun has not sufficient brain to understand that monkeys are not the successors to God, so they are insulting God by comparing monkeys to God's messiahs. Insult upon insult.

At least now Tarun admits that Sridhara and Narayana maharaja (and himself) are so foolish, they thought that people totally unfit for sannyasa are the "named and appointed" "gurus and successors" to Krishna, i.e. GOD. And Sudhir confirmed that SM merely "assumed" that the eleven are gurus. That means Sridhara and Narayana maharaja accepted Tamal's bogus ideology, they accepted Tamal as their shiksha guru leader, and not Srila Prabhupada, since Tamal told them the eleven are gurus and they foolishly accepted. Tamal is their guru, as Tarun admits herein, since Tarun is still accepting Tamal's claim that the eleven were "named and appointed" as gurus. Tamal's "big lie" is still being propagated by the Gaudiya Matha deviants, and no wonder, they also promoted a homosexual as a guru after 1936 on the plea that Ananta Vasudeva had been "appointed as guru." They are just recycling their original 1936 lies.

Yet, why would Srila Prabhupada say that his followers are unfit for sannyasa in January of 1977, then a few months later in July, name these same identical unfit people as his "guru successors"? In a short six months the eleven went from being "unfit laughingstock," to being "the sum total of the demigods and Vishnupada pure devotees"? This makes no sense at all. So Tarun is right, Tamal started the false propaganda that eleven deviants were appointed as gurus, and Sridhara and Narayana maharajas are so foolish they accepted Tamal as their guru and thus his "big lie" and their followers like Tarun are still accepting Tamal's big lie. That proves that Tamal is still the guru of Tarun, Tarun still accepts Tamal's bogus appointment as a fact.

Yet in December of 1980 Tamal and Hansadutta admitted that the eleven were only appointed as ritviks, and not as gurus, yet by then Sridhara and Narayana maharajas were so brain washed, they continued promoting the eleven as gurus, despite it was admitted that the eleven are not gurus, and despite that so many scandals evolved by then that it was also crystal clear the eleven were not gurus. And now the Sridhara and Narayana folks like Tarun are still pounding the drum for Tamal's idea that the eleven were named and appointed as gurus. That means they cannot admit they were fooled by the biggest of fools: Tamal. Srila Prabhupada only named the 11 as ritviks, it was Sridhara and Narayana Maharajas who foolishly thought folks like Jayatirtha were gurus, despite SP had already said they are not even fit for sannyasa.]

LIKE PRABHUPAD IN CHICAGO HEADLINE - "SWAMI CAN BECOME ANIMAL"
u think this is great stuff?

[PADA: Once again Tarun insults Srila Prabhupada's statements as the cause of bad publicty, not his molester messiahs program.]

TD: U R SO FAR OFF BASE. SRIDHAR MHRJ, KESAVA MHRJ, ABHAY BABU - OUR PRABHUPAD, GOSWAMI MHRJ, MADHAVA MHRJ ALL LEFT THEIR GURU'S ORIGINAL MISSION. Y DON'T U? DON'T U SEE WHAT PRABHUPAD DID? DON'T U SEE THAT? IF U CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT, LEAVE THE KITCHEN.

[PADA: Right, first of all Sridhara and Narayana Maharajas endorsed the worship of pedophiles as messiahs, then they just walked away and "left," leaving the children to get mass starved, beat and molested, just as Sridhara started a homosexual guru cult after 1936 and when the innocent devotees were being beaten, bones broken, faces pushed into dogs stools, and murdered, he just walked away and did not care one fig about his victims. And this is how Tarun wants us to treat devotees and treat children. told ya! thanks pd

tarunyam@yahoo.com wrote:
GOOD IDEA LAXMIJI - U WANT 2B MODERATOR? COOL MODERATOR I DON'T WANT TO WIN. I JUST DON'T WANT THIS: THAT PRABHUPAD'S PHILOSOPHY BE PRESENTED AS SOMETHING OTHER THAN BRAHMA MADHVA GAUDIYA RUPANUGA VARGA PHILOSOPHY. THAT'S ALL. PRABHUPAD IS ALREADY SPECIAL ENOUGH. WE DON'T HAVE TO TURN SP INTO THE ONE & ONLY SUPER-SADHU SUPERMAN STANDING ALONE AS IF KRSNA WAS RUNNING LOW ON RESOURCES, KRSNA COULDN'T SUPPLY ANY OTHER ADVANCED VAISNAVAS, SARASWATI THAKUR COULDN'T ATTRACT ANY SINCERE SOULS ! HIS ENTIRE GAUDIYA MATH FAILED. I CAN NEVER ACCEPT THIS. I'VE LIVED & LEARNED IN GAUDIYA MATHs, Gaudiya Missions, Chaitanya Gaudiya Missions, Caitanya Saraswat Math. VERY AUSTERE. ZERO SENSE GRAT EXCEPT FOR SWEET RICE AT LUNCH. AVERAGE WESTERN DEVOTEE WOULD NOT LAST 2 DAYS. BUT FOR EASTERNERS IT'S ADEQUATE. ys, TaruN

Roupamanjari devi dasi: You have sold your brain to fools and rascals and unqualified posers, and unsurprisingly, your head is now full of stool. Thus you are volatile, ignorant, and unintelligent.

Data of Tarun

I WAS INITIATED IN NEW VRNDAVAN 4SEP1972 EKADASI DIRECTLY BY SRILA PRABHUPAD, 3 DAYS AFTER JANMASTAMI. I ONLY STAYED IN ENGLAND twice: 3 WEEKS 1984 + 1 WEEK 2002.
CAREFUL - LOOK B4 U LEAP.

Srila Prabhupada 72-11-21.Letter: Niranjana
If you are serious to be an important assistant in our Society you should fully engage yourself in translation work, AND DO NOT MIX YOURSELF WITH MY SO-CALLED GOD-BROTHERS. AS THERE ARE IN VRINDABAN SOME RESIDENTS LIKE MONKEYS AND HOGS, SIMILARLY THERE ARE MANY RASCALS IN THE NAME OF VAISNAVAS, be careful of them. And do not dare to question imprudently before your Spiritual Master. Further talks we may discuss when we meet.

Srila Prabhupada 74-06-08.Acy Letter: Acyutananda
SO THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY OF COOPERATION WITH THEM. RATHER YOU SHOULD AVOID STRICTLY MEETING WITH THEM.

Srila Prabhupada 75-11-09. Letter: Visvakarma
Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated September 3, 1975 with the enclosed statement about Van Maharaja. So I have now issued orders that all my disciples should avoid all of my godbrothers. THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY DEALINGS WITH THEM NOR EVEN CORRESPONDENCE, NOR SHOULD THEY GIVE THEM ANY OF MY BOOKS OR SHOULD THEY PURCHASE ANY OF THEIR BOOKS, NEITHER SHOULD YOU VISIT ANY OF THEIR TEMPLES. PLEASE AVOID THEM.

Srila Prabhupada 74-04-28. Letter: Rupanuga
THEREFORE WE MAY NOT COMMIT THE SAME MISTAKE IN OUR ISKCON CAMP. ACTUALLY AMONGST MY GODBROTHERS NO ONE IS QUALIFIED TO BECOME ACARYA. SO IT IS BETTER NOT TO MIX WITH MY GODBROTHERS VERY INTIMATELY BECAUSE INSTEAD OF INSPIRING OUR STUDENTS AND DISCIPLES THEY MAY SOMETIMES POLLUTE THEM. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them.