Jadurani's refutation REFUTED

Jadurani aka Syamarani
Jadurani re-initiated by NM as Syamarani

 

Studying Narayana Maharaja's Words

BY: SHIVA DASA

Aug 31, USA (SUN) — This is a reply to Jadurani Dasi. In her recent article in the Sun, The Homonym IKSCON", she has listed a bunch of criticisms made towards her guru, Srila Narayana Maharaja, which she then attempted to counter. This is my reply to some of what she wrote. Beginning with:

    COMPILATION 1: Narayana Maharaja Mathura, October 24, 1999: "We can glorify Swamiji, Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja. But those who are falling down, how can they glorify him? They cannot glorify him, never; they are cutting. They are establishing that he was the founder of ISKCON, but I know that he was not founder, he was one of the members of this in guru parampara. It was founded by Krishna, and first acarya was Brahma, then Narada, then Vyasa. Only he has changed the name and he has preached these things in Western countries."

    REFUTATION 1: The compilation's use of Srila Maharaja's quotes, saying that he is the siksa disciple of Srila Prabhupada and then saying that Srila Prabhupada is not the founder-acarya of ISKCON, is meant to show that he is not really Prabhupada's disciple. But Srila Maharaja is saying nothing that Srila Prabhupada has not said many times. In his Bhagavad-gita Preface Srila Prabhupada says ..

I don't think that anybody familiar with Gaudiya Vaisnavism and the history of ISKCON would confuse the statement: "A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada is the Founder-Acarya of ISKCON" to mean anything different then Srila Prabhupada being the founder of the organization that goes by the name of ISKCON. So what is the point in Srila Narayana Maharaja stating what everyone already knows? Does anyone for a second think that the title "Founder-Acarya of ISKCON" refers to the founder of Gaudiya Vaisnavism or Vaisnavism in general?

    COMPILATION 2: Narayana Maharaja 28th April 1999, morning, Caracas: "Also you should know that Caitanya Mahaprabhu is the founder of ISKCON. Swamiji, AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja is one of the prominent acaryas in this line only. He is not founder; he's one of the prominent acaryas, who spread all these things [over] whole world, in a very short time.

    COMPILATION 3: Narayana Maharaja Murwillumbah, Australia: Feb. 18, 2002 (eve): "Your Prabhupada, Srila Swami Maharaja, only changed the name into English. He is not the founder-acarya of that eternal ISKCON… I am ISKCON. I'm not different from ISKCON. I am 'Bhaktivedanta' [Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja]. Like father, like son. I am the real successor of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, and there is no other. You should know this very openly. I am Bhaktivedanta and he is Bhaktivedanta, but he received this name after I did. I'm senior to him in this regard… I'm Bhaktivedanta, and I'm also ISKCON. Don't think that I'm out of ISKCON."

    REFUTATION 3: COMPILATION 3 did not quote this accurately. By this inaccurate quote it wants to say that Srila Narayana Maharaja is trying to usurp Prabhupada's position as founder-acarya. But the truth is that Srila Maharaja is actually revealing his pride in being Prabhupada's humble servant. The compilation did not include the preceding sentences and explanation, and it also substituted an important clarification with a mere three dots. The following is the actual version of the statement as it was posted on the Internet. (The words in brackets, also included in the Internet posting, were ours:)

    "At the time of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Thakura, Srila Sarasvati Thakura was the president of ISKCON. He sent one arm, Srila Prabhupada Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, who was given sannyasa by Srila Bhakti Prajnana Kesava Gosvami Maharaja, and who then gave ISKCON its English name [Previously it was called by different names, like Gaudiya Vedanta Samiti,* Gaudiya Matha, Visva Vaisnava Raja Sabha, and Krsna-bhakti-rasa bhavitah mati.] Your Prabhupada, Srila Swami Maharaja, only changed the name into English. He is not the founder-acarya of that eternal ISKCON. [Srila Prabhupada sometimes said he was the founder-acarya for two reasons: for management and legal purposes, and also for the faith of his young disciples who would not have understood another presentation at that time.] The founder-acarya is originally Brahma, and it was actually established by Krsna. All of you who are following this disciplic succession are ISKCON. Don't think that you are not. I am ISKCON. I'm not different from ISKCON. I am 'Bhaktivedanta' [Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja]. Like father, like son. I am the real successor of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, and there is no other. You should know this very openly...

    ...Srila Maharaja is simply encouraging us to remember to honor our previous acaryas. They can also help us and bless us. If we think that Prabhupada is the first in this movement, we are not glorifying him. He does not want to be disconnected from his guru-parampara. His glory is his chastity to the words and moods of his disciplic succession. If we think that Prabhupada is first, it means we think we don't have to refer to the previous acaryas of the succession to understand what he is trying to teach. It means we think that we, and conditioned souls like us, are the authorities on understanding him.

In the section immediately above, in bold, Jadurani dasi has given an opinion which makes no sense in the light of the common knowledge of the Vaisnava community. Everyone knows that Srila Prabhupada did not found nor is the only acarya in the history of Vaisnavism. Claiming that Srila Narayana Maharaja's motives for the various statements he made like the ones above is to teach us to honor the previous acaryas and to teach us not to think that Srila Prabhupada is the first acarya, I would think that would make Srila Narayana Maharaja incredibly ignorant on the level of knowledge of contemporary Gaudiya Vaisnavas.

In fact, I don't accept Jadurani's opinion because I don't think Srila Narayana Maharaja is that ignorant. What Srila Narayana Maharaja is really doing should be obvious, since it is. The reality is that one of the criticisms made many times towards Srila Narayana Maharaja and his followers from members of ISKCON is that Srila Prabhupada asked his followers to stay in ISKCON. Also Gour Govinda Maharaja asked his followers to stay in ISKCON. So in order to counteract that criticism Srila Narayana Maharaja has repeatedly claimed that he is in ISKCON, that he is ISKCON, that the real meaning of ISKCON is Gaudiya Vaisnavism in general.

While the idea of ISKCON as being more then just the institution of that name has philosophical merit, that idea of a universal ISKCON was not what Srila Prabhupada meant when he asked his followers to stay within ISKCON. If he had meant it in a more philosophical, metaphoric way then it would have been more prudent to have said "Please remain active in Gaudiya Vaisnavism". But for devotees active in ISKCON he requested in many letters that they remain in ISKCON. I'm not saying that you cannot please Srila Prabhupada outside of an active role in ISKCON or that your spiritual advancement is solely dependent on being an active member of ISKCON. What I am saying is that Srila Narayana Maharaja was not trying to make some philosophical point nor was he simply glorifying the previous acaryas. Rather he was trying to convince people that what Srila Prabhupada and HH Gour Govinda Maharaja had asked of them to do would be done if they served Srila Narayana Maharaja.

    "All of you who are following this disciplic succession are ISKCON. Don't think that you are not. I am ISKCON. I'm not different from ISKCON. I am 'Bhaktivedanta' [Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja]. Like father, like son. I am the real successor of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, and there is no other. You should know this very openly."

    The compilation quoted Srila Maharaja saying, "I am the real successor of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, and there is no other." Perhaps, by doing this, the compilation is trying to say that Srila Maharaja is not bona fide because a self-effulgent acarya does not need to proclaim himself. But the compilation is wrong in its assumption. Surely Srila Maharaja is only separating himself from the hundreds of pretenders who masquerade as gurus, and there is no harm in that. This statement is not exclusive but inclusive. When Prabhupada was asked in 1969 in Boston what Jesus meant when he said I am the only son of my father. No one can come to Him but through me, Prabhupada replied, "He means, 'by me or anyone like me; in other words, by me or any bona fide representative of God.'" Similarly 'guru is one', as we have heard, and at the same time there is more than one bona fide guru. Srila Maharaja is not disparaging other bona fide teachers. He is simply saying that it is no small thing to perfectly represent the line of Gaudiya acaryas.

    Srila Maharaja's statement can also be seen in this way: His is the statement of a son who loves his father (Prabhupada) so much that he can say that "No one can love my father as much as I." This is not at all pride in himself, but in his beloved Srila Swami Maharaja, our Srila Prabhupada. We cannot imagine such love in our Western culture.

I am perplexed by Jadurani's explanation of the above statement by Srila Narayana Maharaja. I don't see the problem as being: "Perhaps, by doing this, the compilation is trying to say that Srila Maharaja is not bona fide because a self-effulgent acarya does not need to proclaim himself." Why would a follower of Srila Prabhupada have a problem with a person "proclaiming himself" to be a bona fide guru? Srila Prabhupada claimed to be a bona fide guru, so do all bona fide gurus who are preaching. There is nothing unusual or wrong in that. So Jadurani is wrong in her interpretation of the motive of the people who supply the above quote as being questionable. The real problem should be obvious. It's the part where it says: "I am the real successor of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, and there is no other."

It's one thing to claim to be *a* real successor of Srila Prabhupada, it's another thing entirely to claim to be the only real successor, and that there is no other. Jadurani's explanation for these words are baffling. She claims they mean the exact opposite of what they appear to mean. She claims the statement is inclusive when an ordinary reading would tell us that they are exclusive, as in "me and only me". She then claims that what Srila Narayana Maharaja really meant is the same thing that Jesus really meant when he supposedly said "no one goes to the father but through me".

The problem with Jadurani's interpretation is that we have to wonder why Srila Narayana Maharaja would make such a statement if he didn't mean it literally. Is he in the habit of making statements which are the opposite of what he means? The idea that when Jesus said "that nobody goes to the father but through me" really means Jesus represents the guru and the statement by Jesus really means "no one goes to god without going through the guru", is a Vaisnava reaction to an exclusionary claim to God by Christians. I highly doubt that Jesus ever made such a statement because a real bona fide spiritual master would never make such an untrue statement. In reality, I am sure that the quote attributed to Jesus was added to the Bible in order to make an exclusive claim to divine empowerment for the Christian religion.

So I see no reason to make up an interpretation that is 100% the opposite meaning of what Srila Narayana Maharaja literally said, especially since Srila Narayana Maharaja did not say that he is the only bona fide conduit to God as the Christians claim about Jesus, rather he claimed that he is the only real successor to Srila Prabhupada. The comparison to Jesus is a faulty analogy. It would appear that he, like Christians of the distant past and up to today, is making an exclusive claim to divine empowerment, i.e. claiming that he is (or was) the only real successor of Srila Prabhupada.

To me the reason for such a claim seems obvious when seen in the light of the other claims that he is ISKCON. He is simply trying to convince people to surrender to him rather then to ISKCON or to some other Gaudiya guru by claiming that he alone is worthy of their surrender.

    COMPILATION 7: Narayana Maharaja conversation, Murwillumbah, Australia: Feb.12, 2002 (morning): "Therefore, in his service to Radhika, for rati-keli-siddhyai, a guru cannot serve in his male form. Srila Swami Maharaja and my Gurudeva are both serving there in their female forms as gopis. In that realm my Gurudeva is Vinoda Manjari, Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddanta Sarasvati Thakura is Nayana Manjari, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura is Kamala Manjari, Srila Jiva Gosvami is Vilasa Manjari, Srila Rupa Gosvami is Rupa Manjari, and Srila Raghunatha dasa Gosvami is Rati Manjari. These manjaris can serve Radha-Krishna Conjugal."
    [Sripad Dhrstadyumna dasa:] "And our Srila Prabhupada?"
    [Srila Narayana Maharaja:] "If you fully surrender, by body, mind, words and ego, then I may tell you. Otherwise, I will not. I know who he is, but you do not know. None of the ISKCON leaders know. Your Prabhupada has cheated them all, in the sense that he has not revealed himself to them at all.''

    REFUTATION 7: Perhaps the compilation is trying to say that Srila Maharaja said Prabhupada is a cheater, and the ISKCON leaders were cheated by him, and he is not a bona fide spiritual master. But Srila Maharaja is not saying that at all. He is only saying that Prabhupada did not reveal his spiritual identity. Due to their, and our, not having the qualification to know, he kept it a secret.

I don't know what the compiler of those quotes had in mind, but I doubt they were thinking what Jadurani thinks they may be thinking. Srila Narayana Maharaja is obviously not claiming that Srila Prabhupada is not a bona fide spiritual master since he says that *he knows* Srila Prabhupada is serving Radha as a gopi and that he knows Srila Prabhupada's manjari name. The unusual thing in the quote for me is the part where he says:

    "If you fully surrender, by body, mind, words and ego, then I may tell you. Otherwise, I will not. I know who he is, but you do not know. None of the ISKCON leaders know. Your Prabhupada has cheated them all, in the sense that he has not revealed himself to them at all."

Before he makes that statement he tell us the manjari name of his guru and the manjari names of many other gurus. Why then does he want complete and full surrender before he tells them Srila Prabhupada's manjari name? And why would he claim that none of the ISKCON leaders know?

One thing that I do know is that Srila Sridhara Maharaja claimed that Srila Prabhupada revealed in various places in his writings that he is a gopa in nitya Krishna lila. He also claimed that Srila Prabhupada's establishment of Krishna Balarama in Vrindavan was also revealing that Srila Prabhupada is a gopa. Back in the year 2,000 Jadurani got into an online debate with Tripurari Swami over this on VNN.org. Also there has been friction between Srila Narayana Maharaja's sanga and Srila Sridhar Maharaja's sanga over this and other things as well. In Jadurani's refutation for this part she goes into a lengthy exposition on how Gaudiya Vaisnavism is for the sole purpose of leading people to become gopis and that Srila Prabhupada is a gopi, etc.

So to me it just seems like more of Srila Narayana Maharaja trying to convince people that they should surrender to him because he is above everyone else. And then Jadurani subtly rehashes an old argument while trying to assert the superiority of a gopi centric form of teaching Krishna consciousness.

    COMPILATION 8: Narayana Maharaja, Lecture given on September 19th, 1994:...

I didn't want to copy everything written in #8. Whether or not the compilation is accurate can only be decided by the actual recording. There is one section where Jadurani quotes Srila Narayana Maharaja which I found to be a bit odd:

    Who is Maha-Visnu? Sri Advaita Acarya. He is the amsa (part) of the amsa of the amsa of the amsa of the kala of Krsna Himself. He is a part of the part of the part of the part of Krsna. Being so far away, He can preach with kirtana, but He cannot give Vraja-bhakti. He is not qualified for this. Only Krsna can do this. When He came, therefore, He preached through sankirtana that highest love and affection, as well as the process to achieve it.

advaita-acarya -- isvarera amsa-varya
tanra tattva-nama-guna, sakali ascarya

Sri Advaita Acarya is the principal limb of the Supreme Lord. His truths, names and attributes are all wonderful. (Caitanya-Caritamrta Adi 6.33)

I think it is not correct to say that Advaita Acarya is not qualified and cannot give Vraja-bhakti. Maybe it is just Srila Narayana Maharaja's poor understanding of English, but to say that Advaita Acarya "cannot" do something or "isn't qualified" to do something is complete nonsense. Advaita Acarya is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore he can do anything.

advaitam harinadvaitad
acaryam bhakti-samsanat
bhaktavataram isam tam
advaitacaryam asraye

Because He is nondifferent from Hari, the Supreme Lord, He is called Advaita, and because He propagates the cult of devotion, He is called Acarya. He is the Lord and the incarnation of the Lord's devotee. Therefore I take shelter of Him. (Caitanya-Caritamrta Adi 6.5)

advaita-acarya gosani saksat Isvara
yanhara mahima nahe jivera gocara

Sri Advaita Acarya is indeed directly the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself. His glory is beyond the conception of ordinary living beings. (Caitanya-Caritamrta Adi 6.6)

mahavisnura amsa - advaita gunadhama
isvare abheda, te-i "advaita" purna nama

Sri Advaita, who is a reservoir of virtues, is the main limb of Mahavisnu. His full name is Advaita, for He is identical in all respects with the Lord. (Caitanya-Caritamrta Adi 6.25)

jiva nistarila krsna-bhakti kari' dana
gita-bhagavate kaila bhaktira vyakhyana

He delivered all living beings by offering the gift of krsna-bhakti. He explained the Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam in the light of devotional service. (Caitanya-Caritamrta Adi 6.28)

    COMPILATION 10: Narayana Maharaja Salt Spring Island, B.C. Canada May 2001(Morning):... If anyone does not have belief in my statements, he can acquire and hear the cassette. At that time he spoke in Bengali so that others would not understand. If he were to say that all his disciples were ignorant, that they did not know very much, and that they were imperfect, they may have become upset. For this reason he spoke so many things in Bengali. He told me, 'I brought them, but I could not teach them in full.' If he had told them everything, and if they were so knowledgeable and expert, why have so many of the senior devotees, even those in the renounced order, fallen down? Where are they now? Where they are now is not ISKCON. They were not ISKCON, they are not ISKCON, and they will not be ISKCON. …If there is no need for Prabhupada's disciples to continue hearing from a bona fide guru, then why are they falling? Why? I know more than you, much more than you."

    REFUTATION 10: Perhaps the compilation is trying to say that Srila Maharaja is criticizing Prabhupada and saying that he only gave ABCD. The actual fact, however, has already been discussed in refutation 9. Prabhupada trained us as much as we were trainable. Moreover, Srila Maharaja is saying that Prabhupada has offered us much more than we can imagine, but we were neither qualified to hear him say nor to see it in his books. Prabhupada's books are just like a treasure chest. If we can open it, we will see a great treasure there. Perhaps we can open it and see some treasures inside, but along with those treasures there is another treasure chest with still more valuable treasures, and it is locked. How will we open it? Yaha bhagavata pada vaisnavera sthane. The key is in the hands of another mahabhagavat like Prabhupada. Only a mahabhagavata can understand another, and only a mahabhagavata can explain another.

Whether or not the conversation recalled by Srila Narayana Maharaja is accurate can be decided by the tape. One thing I do find odd is the statement in bold text. Why does he claim that the devotees who had "fallen down" and left ISKCON "were not in ISKCON"? That seems like an unusual siddhanta which I have never seen written anywhere other then from lectures by Srila Narayana Maharaja. Is there any sastric backing for such a claim? He also said they "will not be ISKCON". Is he claiming the ability to see into the future of all people who served in ISKCON and then "fell down" and left ISKCON?

Then he says "If there is no need for Prabhupada's disciples to continue hearing from a bona fide guru, then why are they falling? Why? I know more than you, much more than you."

This is a statement which I find particularly strange. First off, why is he saying:

    "If there is no need for Prabhupada's disciples to continue hearing from a bona fide guru, then why are they falling?"

Where are there disciples who say like that? I have never heard devotees claim they do not need to hear from a bona fide guru. What he really meant was:

    "If there is no need for Prabhupada's disciples to continue hearing from a *another* bona fide guru, then why are they falling?"

That makes sense in the light of his claim:

    "He told me, 'I brought them, but I could not teach them in full.' If he had told them everything, and if they were so knowledgeable and expert, why have so many of the senior devotees, even those in the renounced order, fallen down?"

What he is saying is that the reason they fell down is because they didn't go to another guru after Srila Prabhupada left who could "teach them in full" and "told them everything". If that is the case then what is the problem with all those who went to Srila Narayana Maharaja and took his siksa and were taught "everything in full" and then fell down? What was the cause of their falldown? Were they never in ISKCON (since he is ISKCON)? Will they never be in ISKCON?

The reality is it doesn't matter how much you have learned or think you know, knowledge alone doesn't prevent devotees from "falling down". You can be very knowledgeable but if you commit offenses to Vaisnavas, or if you have not risen to the platform of an uttama adhikari, then you can leave Krishna bhakti in pursuit of other objectives due to the lure of the illusory energy. Only the uttama adhikari or liberated soul, the jivan mukta, is not susceptible to the powers of the illusory energy.

From the purport to Bhagavad Gita 6.3 by AC. Bhaktivedanta Swami:

    "As far as the development of faith is concerned, one who is well versed in the literatures of devotional service and has attained the stage of firm faith is called a first-class person in Krsna consciousness. And in the second class are those who are not very advanced in understanding the devotional scriptures but who automatically have firm faith that krsna-bhakti, or service to Krsna, is the best course and so in good faith have taken it up. Thus they are superior to the third class, who have neither perfect knowledge of the scriptures nor good faith but by association and simplicity are trying to follow. The third-class person in Krsna consciousness may fall down, but when one is in the second class he does not fall down, and for the first-class person in Krsna consciousness there is no chance of falling down."

Here Srila Prabhupada says that the second-class devotee (madhyama adhikari) "does not fall down". Yet we have seen many seemingly madhyama adhikari Vaisnavas "fall down". This is because the definition of "fall down" in this instance is qualified in the beginning of the paragraph with the words "As far as the development of faith is concerned". So what is meant is that the persons who have achieved the real actual level of a madhyama adhikari, that their faith will not be lost. They will not fall down in the sense of the loss of their "development of faith" in Krishna. They may fall down from the path of sadhana bhakti, but they will not lose faith. Srila Prabhupada also writes in the above: "for the first-class person in Krsna consciousness there is no chance of falling down". That is to contrast with the less emphatic description of the second-class devotee where he claims they "do not fall down". The first class devotee or uttama adhikari or jivan mukta has no chance of falling down in any sense of the term. Everyone else is susceptible to the lure of the illusory energy.

Purport to Srimad Bhagavatam 3.4.31 by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami:

    "The specific qualification for becoming the representative of the Lord is to be unaffected by the material modes of nature. The highest qualification of a person in the material world is to be a brahmana. But since a brahmana is in the mode of goodness, to be a brahmana is not sufficient for becoming a representative of the Lord. One has to transcend the mode of goodness also and be situated in unalloyed goodness, unaffected by any of the qualities of material nature. This stage of transcendental qualification is called suddha-sattva, or vasudeva, and in this stage the science of God can be realized. As the Lord is not affected by the modes of material nature, so a pure devotee of the Lord is also not affected by the modes of nature. That is the primary qualification for being one with the Lord. A person who is able to attain this transcendental qualification is called jivan-mukta, or liberated, even though he is apparently in material conditions. This liberation is achieved by one who constantly engages in the transcendental loving service of the Lord. In Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu (1.2.187) it is stated:

    iha yasya harer dasye
    karmana manasa gira
    nikhilasv apy avasthasu
    jivan-muktah sa ucyate

    "Anyone who, by his actions, mind and words, lives only for the transcendental loving service of the Lord, is certainly a liberated soul, even though he may appear to be in a condition of material existence." Uddhava was in such a transcendental position, and thus he was selected to be the factual representative of the Lord in His bodily absence from the vision of the world. Such a devotee of the Lord is never affected by material strength, intelligence or even renunciation. Such a devotee of the Lord can withstand all onslaughts of material nature, and therefore he is known as gosvami. Only such gosvamis can penetrate the mysteries of the Lord's transcendental loving relationships."

 


The Homonym ISKCON (about Narayana Maharaja)
BY: JADURANI DASI (SYAMARANI DD)
From Pada Newsletter 30. Oct. 2007

 

Cutting Through The Jungles Of False Propaganda and Misunderstanding: A response to Gadadhara prabhu's article on Srila Narayana Maharaja. Some time back an article appeared on Chakra entitled "Understanding Narayana Maharaja: His Own Words and Primary Sources". More recently, an updated version of that article was published in the Sun by Gadadhara dasa. The following article was written as a refutation of the original "Understanding Narayana Maharaja".

Recently there was an article published on the Cakra website, attempting to show that Srila Narayana Maharaja's teachings are different from those of Srila Prabhupada, and trying to discourage devotees from hearing from him. This compilation, full of quotes gathered by an ISKCON Gurukula teacher, was also translated and distributed in Mexico during Srila Maharaja's recent visit there. The ideas expressed in the compilation have already been refuted repeatedly over the years on the Internet. Still, because the compilation has just been translated into Spanish, we are again replying for the sake of new readers.

In this present article we will state the same quotes of Srila Narayana Maharaja used in the compilation, along with quotes from Srila Prabhupada confirming Srila Maharaja's statements. Knowing that every one of us understands both life and scripture according to our millions of births of impressions, sukrtis and samskaras, the author humbly requests the respected reader to consider the points presented herein in the light of your highest aspiration. Decide as you like.

The compilation posted on Cakra is called 'Understanding Narayana Maharaja: his own words and other primary sources'. Let us first of all consider the meaning of the title, which may lead the reader to think that it is accurately representing Srila Maharaja's words. Actually, his words are many times taken out of context, and sometimes simply changed. Moreover, in the ISKCON compilation, the 'primary sources' are not even credible.

When quoting the compilation, we shall begin with the word 'COMPILATION', and we will begin our own statements with the word 'REFUTATION'. Because the compilation is very lengthy and contains so many ideas, we shall discuss only half of those ideas in this article and more of them in articles to come. Our article is quite long, but we beg your indulgence, for a careful reading will clear the matter. Otherwise, you are quite welcome to browse:

COMPILATION 1: Narayana Maharaja Mathura, October 24, 1999: "We can glorify Swamiji, Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja. But those who are falling down, how can they glorify him? They cannot glorify him, never; they are cutting. They are establishing that he was the founder of ISKCON, but I know that he was not founder, he was one of the members of this in guru parampara. It was founded by Krishna, and first acarya was Brahma, then Narada, then Vyasa. Only he has changed the name and he has preached these things in Western countries."

[PADA: FOUNDER ACHARYA. First of all, notice the immediate disrespect to Srila Prabhupada. He gave "Jadurani" that name, and now she has been in essence "re-initiated" by Narayana Maharaja with a new name -- "Shyamarani." When some of Srila Prabhupada's God brothers gave these "new names" to his disciples in the late 1960s he said, "This is most disrespectful to me and this action would never be conducted by any bona fide Vaishnava." How did you guess, NM has given other "new names" to Srila Prabhupada's disciples. Sridhara Maharaja did the same thing, yet Srila Prabhupada totally disapproves of this process. In fact many of the "new" names are so far removed from the originals -- know one even knows anymore who these people ever were under Srila Prabhupada. At least Tripurari had the sense to demand that his name not be changed. Narayana Maharaja is doing what the other Gaudiya Matha deviants have been doing all along, trying to siphon off Srila Prabhupada's followers and "re-initiate" them. This is simply another example of how Narayana Maharaja is part of the pack of Gaudiya Matha deviants.

Sorry to have to report this to Narayana Maharaja, but Srila Prabhupada IS the founder of ISKCON, and he himself uses the title of the "founder acharya of ISKCON." "ISKCON" is sometimes categorized by Srila Prabhupada as a branch of the Chaitanya tree, and Srila Prabhupada SAYS he is "the founder acharya" of this particular branch known as ISKCON. Narayana Maharaja has no authority to change the process and nomenclatures given by the acharya. We also find that other parampara gurus are credited with various accomplishments, such as founding their particular missions. And Srila Prabhupada duly credits the other acharyas with their individual accomplishments.

Yet, as far as Srila Prabhupada is concerned -- he is definitely "the founder acharya" of ISKCON, just as Srila Sarasvati is credited with being the "founder acharya" of the Gaudiya Matha. Each acharya can be credited for his particular accomplishments, why does Narayana Maharaja not understand the process? Srila Prabhupada thus says, my guru maharaja (Srila Saraswati) founded the Gaudiya Matha mission. He does not say, Lord Brahma founded the Gaudiya Matha mission? According to Narayana Maharaja, Krishna is the founder of everything, so why give credit to His devotees like Arjuna? No, Krishna HIMSELF gives credit to His devotees for their particular accomplishments.

Srila Prabhupada furthermore says that while he was busy establishing his ISKCON movement, his God brothers were "not preaching, but simply ringing the bell in the temple" and as such they were essentially "asara" -- useless, and worse, many of them were "envious" of his attempts. Srila Prabhupada is thus the whole and sole reason that ISKCON exists at all, and that the Holy Name of Krishna has appeared in the Western world. He did the job. Nobody else did! Then again, in 1997 even the lowly PADA editor brought forward "the poison issue" to Narayana Maharaja's attention and he angrily slammed us for doing that service and for our CITING of SRILA PRABHUPADA in this regard. Later on, he was forced to accept the issue due to our presentation of substantial evidence, yet he never publicly "credits" us with helping him understand the issue. In short, we are the ones who helped him figure this out, and yet he does not ever credit us either. To sum, it seems NM does not want to "give credit" to anyone, he is the exclusive most important "king of the hill."]

** [Srila Prabhupada: "But actually the original father of this movement is Lord Krsna Himself, since it was started a very long time ago, but is coming down to human society by disciplic succession. If I have any credit in this connection, it does not belong to me personally, but it is due to my eternal spiritual master, His Divine Grace Om Visnupada Paramahamsa Parivrajakacarya 108 Sri Srimad Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Maharaja Prabhupada."]

[PADA: Fine, this is wonderful but does not change the fact that -- each particular acharya is still being given credit for his own particular preaching actions, such as establishing the Gaudiya Matha or ISKCON. Moreover Srila Prabhupada says that the ENTIRE basis for his ISKCON movement is his Bhagavad Gita, and yet Narayana Maharaja slams and criticizes Srila Prabhupada's Gita process as "only" giving partial information and not the real "rasika" information. Then again, Narayana Maharaja wrote his own entire version of the Gita, trying to make a superior commentary to Srila Prabhupada's (just like Kirtanananda has done). In any case NM says he is doing the higher work after Srila Prabhupada did the initial rough cleaning work.

Srila Prabhupada says: there is no need for a disciple to re-write a book ALREADY written by his acharya, and thus to do so is an insult. Jadurani says that Narayana Maharaja is a disciple of Srila Prabhupada, so if this is the true, why is "a disciple" writing another version of a book ALREADY written by his own guru? Srila Prabhupada says it is a great offense to write another commentary over your guru's. Narayana Maharaja is thus re-writing apparently like Kirtanananda, he also needs to write "another commentary," so they are establishing the wrong attitude towards the acharya.]

** [SRILA PRABHUPADA: We follow the same principle because we belong to the Brahma sampradaya, directly in the disciplic chain from Brahma to Narada, from Narada to Vyasa, from Vyasa to Madhva Muni, from Madhva Muni to Madhavendra Puri, from Madhavendra Puri to Isvara Puri, from Isvara Puri to Lord Caitanya and gradually to His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati, our divine master."]

[PADA: Good! Why then does Narayana Maharaja cite that "there is nothing wrong" with his "worship of homosexuals as acharyas" project, linking and juxtaposing homosexuals and other deviants with "gurus," and the ABOVE mentioned guru parampara, and Krishna's successors? Why does not Narayana Maharaja teach us that it is VERY wrong to juxtapose material contamination with our parampara?]

** [COMPILATION 2: Narayana Maharaja 28th April 1999, morning, Caracas: "Also you should know that Caitanya Mahaprabhu is the founder of ISKCON. Swamiji, AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja is one of the prominent acaryas in this line only. He is not founder; he's one of the prominent acaryas, who spread all these things [over] whole world, in a very short time.]

[PADA: Sorry, there is no excuse to ignore listing Srila Prabhupada as "the founder acharya of the ISKCON institution." He is the one who went to New York City, he is the one who forwarded the message of Lord Chaitanya, and he is the one who duly registered the name of ISKCON as his society. ISKCON is his official institution, and its founder is, and always will be, Srila Prabhupada. Arjuna also performed his particular service as one of our acharyas, he helped create the Bhagavad Gita. So he too is listed as an acharya who is credited with helping create our Bhagavad Gita. Arjuna is credited for that and not Lord Brahma or anyone else because -- he did the job. Arjuna is given credit for that service, and credit has to be given where credit is due, and no doubt Lord Brahma praises Arjuna for his service! The acharyas are glad to give credit to each other!]

** JD: Thus, to be a prominent acarya in this line is the greatest glory.

[PADA: Straw man agument. This is not the question being debated, the question is not "who is in the line." The question is, "Who founded the contemporary ISKCON institution." And it is without a doubt Srila Prabhupada, plain and simple. Madhvacharya is similarly credited with being "the founder" of the Dvaita (dualism) school of siddhanta. No other acharyas would EVER dare try to steal that title, rather they ALL credit Madhvacarya, and thus the other acharyas glorify Madva as "the founder acharya" of that siddhanta. Each particular acharya is credited for his own various accomplishments. Just as Arjuna is the acharya of our current Bhagavat Gita, that is his particular participation and seva in our parampara. Yet, all of us neophyte disciples are told in any case to worship the last link, and so for us, that is Srila Prabhupada.]

** [COMPILATION 3: Narayana Maharaja Murwillumbah, Australia: Feb. 18, 2002 (eve): "Your Prabhupada, Srila Swami Maharaja, only changed the name into English. He is not the founder-acarya of that eternal ISKCON ... I am ISKCON. I'm not different from ISKCON. I am 'Bhaktivedanta' [Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja].

[PADA: Yet Narayana Maharaja is always friends with the Gaudiya Matha deviants who harassed, criticized and even threatened Srila Prabhupada with violence for his using the titles of "Bhaktivedanta and Prabhupada." In 1980 Jadurani was foremost in distributing Srila Prabhupada's quotes about: avoiding the Gaudiya Matha; Appointed and zonal gurus being certified by the Gaudiya Matha's Sridhara Maharaja (and Narayana Maharaja); Sridhara's talking about rasika with neophytes (as did Narayana Maharaja), and so on, she seems to forgot all those quotes? NOTICE, the bogus Gaudiya Matha's influence above -- Narayana Maharaja STILL refers to Srila Prabhupada as "swami maharaja." Narayana Maharaja has allegedly been associated with the most envious of the God brothers that Jadurani was warning us about in 1980, and for sure NM glorifies those deviants as his acharya / messiahs as he did in 1990.

These deviants still refuse to give Srila Prabhupada his proper title. Hence Srila Prabhupada says, that is because they are envious. And now we see that Narayana Maharaja is furthermore envious of Srila Prabhupada's additional title: "founder acharya of ISKCON." Each acharya is credited for his contribution. Now Srila Prabhupada is only "swami maharaja," he is not even "Bhaktivedanta" or "Srila Prabhupada," he is not even "the founder acharya," he is not even "ISKCON." NOTICE! Now all of a sudden NM is emerging as "the real successor, the Bhaktivedanta, the acharya, the rasika guru, the senior to Srila Prabhupada, the actual ISKCON," etc.]

** [NM: "Like father, like son. I am the real successor of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, and there is no other. You should know this very openly. I am Bhaktivedanta and he is Bhaktivedanta, but he received this name after I did. I'm senior to him in this regard ... I'm Bhaktivedanta, and I'm also ISKCON. Don't think that I'm out of ISKCON."]

[PADA: Great, now Narayana Maharaja is "the father" of both Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON? Moreover he thinks "I'm senior to him" -- and Srila Prabhupada is the lesser, the son. And yet Narayana Maharaja said in 1990 that the Gaudiya Matha's Sridhara, Madhava, and Tirtha maharajas are all acharyas -- just like Srila Sarasawati and Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada says the opposite, these three deviated and "amongst my God brothers NO ONE is qualified to be acharya."

Narayana Maharaja says that the three deviants NAMED by Srila Prabhupada are his idea of acharyas and EQUALS to Srila Prabhupada. NM insults Srila Prabhupada as being one and the same with NAMED deviants. And NM also defended the bogus GBC's guru program as "guru successors." Meanwhile NOTICE: At other times Narayana Maharaja contradicts himself and says, "I am not ISKCON, I am Gaudiya Matha." As some say, he just says whatever will "fool the foolish" at that moment in time .... Notice that NM equates deviants with Srila Prabhupada, and then says he is "glorifying" Srila Prabhupada. Later we find that Narayana Maharaja admits he has been juxtaposing and equating "monkey-like neophytes" -- with Srila Prabhupada.]

[JD: "... Srila Prabhupada sometimes said he was the founder-acarya for two reasons: for management and legal purposes, and also for the faith of his young disciples who would not have understood another presentation at that time.]

[PADA: Narayana Maharaja (and folks like Gaura Govinda Maharaja) similarly said that Srila Prabhupada wrongly (?) stated that "the soul originates with Krishna, and not impersonal brahman," because "his young disciples would not understand." Srila Prabhupada has to change the whole siddhanta to pacify a few neophytes? No! Srila Prabhupada says that his God brothers are infested with mayavada ideas, that the soul originates in brahman. And Srila Prabhupada said he is the founder acharya of ISKCON, because he is. He said we originate in Krishna's lila, because we do, he is merely stating the facts, not stating some concocted rubbish to pacify the new people? And even if Srila Prabhupada only stated that he is "the founder acharya" just in order to pacify some neophytes -- in order to make stable system of managing for his ISKCON -- why then is Narayana Maharaja disturbing Srila Prabhupada's process? NM is changing the formula given by the acharya -- and he is creating his own system of the chaos of maverick, bogus and "illicit sex" so-called acharyas in ISKCON, just like he and his pals did when they ruined the Gaudiya Matha by making false acharyas.]

[** NM: I was like the priest at his sannyasa ceremony.]

[PADA: Narayana Maharaja shoots himself in the foot, again! First, Narayana Maharaja says "there is no such thing as a priest," yet NOW he says "I am the priest." NM said previously "there is no such thing as a 'priest' in the Vaishnava dictionary." A priest is also known as a ritvik. Now he says, he is Srila Prabhupada's priest, a ritvik, but then again -- there is no such thing as -- a priest -- like NM? So he has nullified his own existence? This is why Srila Prabhupada says the mayavadis "nullify their own existence." Narayana Maharaja also says that the priests and ritviks are all "poison," hence the priests who brought forth Lord Narayana from the sacrificial ceremony in the Srimad Bhagavatam are "poison"? Or maybe these people mentioned in the Bhagatam do not exist, but NM does?

Worse, Narayana Maharaja says that worship of someone like Jesus is also "priest" poison? Why does NM hate Jesus? The good news is, NM finally admits: he is a ritvik and hence he is according to himself, poison. Why is Narayana Maharaja saying he is ISKCON, simultaneously, he is poison? NOTICE, none of Narayana Maharaja's followers even remember what he said previously, since he is ALWAYS confuting and refuting himself. He just says whatever he has to in order to "fool the foolish" at the moment ...]

** [Srila Prabhupada: But actually I am just like a peon. I have brought, but I am delivering it without any adulteration. That may be my credit. And if you take it without any adulteration and practice it, then your life is successful."]

[PADA: And as soon as Srila Prabhupada AND THE VEDAS say that "priests" exist, Narayana Maharaja then says Srila Prabhupada's teaching is "poison" for making such a claim. Worship of Jesus is poison, but "there is nothing wrong" with the worship of homosexuals (and pedophiles). Why does NM love to orchestrate the worship homosexuals and pedophiles? Simultaneously, NM says he is the ritvik priest of Srila Prabhupada. Is this why Jesus says, "oh ye hypocrites, sons of vipers"? This is why many have said: Narayana Maharaja is intentionally spreading confusion so he can manipulate his own self-created crises to his advantage. The robbers throw dust into the pilgrim's faces, then steal their money.]

[NM: ... "Then, after them, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura and Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Thakura appeared in their line, and they are also part of the real ISKCON. All these are ideal ISKCON personalities, and you should always be aware of this."]

[PADA: Narayana Maharaja has said that big deviants like Sridhara, Madhava and Tirtha maharajas are acharyas, as are NM's post-1977 Tamal's homosexual guru fiasco. The deviants are always acharyas -- and we all know they have established homosexuals as gurus. Why does Narayana Maharaja always include homosexuals and deviants -- or their vociferous backers -- in his process of gurus / acharyas? NM also says that Bon Maharaja is his worshipped "poojya-pada," whereas Srila Prabhuada says Bon is "a black snake." We worship -- the black snakes? Others have said that Bon was orchestrating homosexual activity in the holy dham, is this why he is our "pooja-pada"?

Why does Narayana Maharaja cite "there is nothing wrong" with his placing homosexuals into the chain of gurus. By what authority is NM making deviants into Krishna's successors? Krishna says "acharyam mam vijnaniyam," "the acharyas are as pure as My very self." Yet NM refutes Krishna and cites "there is nothing wrong" with adding and mixing criminals, poisoners, homosexuals and deviants into the acharya's list, prompting another class of NM's critics to claim Narayana Maharaja is himself a homosexual and so he wants to see other homosexuals worshiped as "pure." That is the perception among some at least. For sure, NM never explains why he cites "there is nothing wrong" with his worship of deviants as good as "God's feet" process.]

** [JD: If we think that Prabhupada is first, it means we think we don't have to refer to the previous acaryas of the succession to understand what he is trying to teach. It means we think that we, and conditioned souls like us, are the authorities on understanding him.]

[PADA: For starters, Srila Prabhupada always cites the names of ALL the other gurus in the parampara, why is he being criticized for not doing that? Srila Prabhupada never creates the impression he is the sole acharya, he always credits the whole chain of gurus. Why is Jadurani saying that Srila Prabhupada does not make this clear? At the same time Srila Prabhupada refers to himself as the founder acharya of ISKCON, why is this something we can challenge? Is this why Narayana Maharaja had to write his "own version" of the Gita. At the very beginning of Srila Prabhupada's Gita he lists the acharyas in our line, and Narayana Maharaja was incensed to find that his deviant pals were not included. As soon as Narayana Maharaja found that his homosexual guru's project was not recognized in ISKCON's Gita, he had to write another Gita. Or what?]

** [COMPILATION 4: Hari Sauri 3/31/97 7:54 AM Letter: "He (Narayana Maharaja) shouted, 'I am not under your rules. I am not ISKCON, I am Gaudiya Math!'"]

[PADA: Now the followers of Narayana Maharaja are REALLY chasing their own tail in a circle. First of all, starting around 1996, they argued (and argued and argued and argued!) that Narayana Maharaja is NOT part of the Gaudiya Matha, because as we all know they promoted bogus gurus. Hence Srila Prabhupada told us to avoid them. Moreover Tamal was in trouble with other bogus GBC by 1987 for his "associating with Narayana Maharaja -- of the Gaudiya Matha." So Narayana Maharaja was suddenly, "not part of the Gaudiya Matha, he was only Keshava Matha." Then in 1990, Narayana Maharaja publicly said in Ravindra's "ISKCON Journal" that the bogus gurus of the Gaudiya Matha are recognized by him as acharyas -- because he IS -- part -- of the Gaudiya Matha. Hence by 1993 the bogus GBC wanted to remove Tamal for being "with" NM because he was "part of the Gaudiya Matha."

Then Narayana Maharaja said he is NOT Gaudiya Matha but he is ISKCON, later (as we see above) he said he is Gaudiya Matha and not ISKCON, therefore as we see, he "fools the foolish" by his fully self-contradictory statements, all day long, and his followers don't even notice what he said the day before. Some have argued, NM has lied so many times he himself cannot keep track of all his changed up reversals of siddhanta. Jadurani needs to be given credit for producing some of the worst of these contradictions in this paper. Bravo girl! We could not have presented these self-confuting statements without your help!]

** [REFUTATION 4: The compilation is trying to say that Srila Maharaja contradicts himself to suit his purposes.]

[PADA: Well said, yes NM is a mass of contradictions!]

** [JD: They had been accusing him of re-initiating Gaurangi dasi, who had actually never been initiated before.]

[PADA: Right, this is yet another complaint, that Narayana Maharaja is simply unable to preach on his own and he has to siphon off devotees like Gaurangi from ISKCON. Notice also that Narayana Maharaja had in 1984 helped the bogus GBC's make their "re-initiations" scheme, and yet the bogus GBC's are critical when this process is used against them by NM. As for Gaurangi and Jadurani, they are simply followers of Tamal, he is the one who said that we have to work with Narayana Maharaja -- and they accept Tamal's shiksha.]

** [Srila Narayana Maharaja:] "I have seen that Srila Swami Maharaja has given the definition of ISKCON with this sloka: krsnah bhakti rasa bhavita. This is the basis of ISKCON."]

[PADA: Why does Narayana Maharaja critize Srila Prabhupada as being "only a devotee of Maha Vishnu," he thinks Srila Prabhupada did not give the "rasa" and "rasika" process. This is still the big advertisement NM's followers give the innocent, "In ISKCON you cannot get the rasika teachings." And in the mid 1980s the bogus GBC advertised NM as "the rasika guru."]

** [COMPILATION 5: A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada Letter to: Dr. Bigelow: -- Allahabad 20 January, 1971: "I am the founder-acharya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness."]

[PADA: Good. Why then is it so difficult for Narayana Maharaja to accept this point? Srila Prabhupada is the person who came to New York and did the real service of establishing ISKCON. Narayana Maharaja claims to be better than Srila Prabhupada as "the father, the senior man," NM is the father and Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON are NM's son, but NM can only act like a bug sitting in the lap of the king.]

** [Srila Narayana Maharaja:] "If you fully surrender, by body, mind, words and ego, then I may tell you [if he is a servant of the gopis]. Otherwise, I will not. I know who he is, but you do not know. None of the ISKCON leaders know. Your Prabhupada has cheated them all, in the sense that he has not revealed himself to them at all."

[PADA: Narayana Maharaja said in 1990 that he knew that the bogus GBC has been applying to titles of "rati keli siddha" (gopi's servants) to homosexuals, and YET he still went on supporting them. NM also cites "there is nothing wrong" when his pals affixed "rati keli siddha" to homosexuals after 1936. Narayana Maharaja is simply another version of Radha Kunda Babajis, they also affix "acharya" titles to illicit sex deviants.]

** [COMPILATION 8: Narayana Maharaja, Lecture given on September 19th, 1994: "Those who are not rasika Vaisnavas, who don't know tattva, and who have not had the association of any pure Vaisnava, think that to preach throughout the world the name of Krsna and to give Gita-sandesa is the whole thing. So I want to say that if your Prabhupada had only given these things and nothing beyond these things, then he would have only been the servant of Mahavisnu, not Krsna. This strange idea is for those who are ignorant. But those who are wise and have taken initiation from any rasika Vaisnava and bhavaka-bhakta of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, those who have given their heart to him and have realized something, even very little, can realize these things about who Prabhupada actually is.]

[PADA: This point was the entire basis for Narayana Maharaja's being required as "the rasika guru" for ISKCON, as he was called openly by Tamal and his clique: Srila Prabhupada gave us only the fundamentals, now we are getting the "real" rasika thing, this was preached openly and still is by the followers of NM. Never mind there is considerable marijuana use amongst many of his "rasika followers."]

** [NM: He is a follower of Rupa Gosvami, and he was very happy to say that, 'I am Rupanuga.' You should know what is Rupanuga. Even Srila Sanatana Gosvami, the guru of Rupa Gosvami, felt very great happiness in thinking that "I am a follower of Srila Rupa Gosvami. I should follow Rupa. He is so high.]

[PADA: Good. Except as soon as we said we are "Prabhupada - anugas," then Narayana Maharaja is angry as fire. NM says "there is no such word as Prabhupada-anugas." Now he contradicts himself and says, we should be proud to use the title of "anuga" with our guru's name? NM says, (a) there is no such thing as us -- "guru-anugas" but, (b) we should be proud to declare we are the "anugas" of our guru, so once again he is simply confuting his own statements and making up stuff as he goes along. Mano rathena.]

** [COMPILATION 9: Narayana Maharaja Bambra, a farm near Melbourne: "Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja told me in the last days 'You should help my disciples. They are like monkeys; I could not train them so much. So always try to help them.'"

[PADA: Great admission from NM! The first thing NM did was to declare that the "monkey" class are Vishnupada's and acharyas, not minor league ritviks. In sum NM refused to help us. Instead, he simply associated with his bogus "monkey class" and declared that his pet monkeys are the next messiahs, and he supported his monkey messiahs as "Vishnupada's acharyas." As such, NM is the leading apologist for the "the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophile guru's regime," as he vociferously backed the worship of deviants even when thousands of children were getting molested. NM admits, he openly mixes "monkeys" (i.e. illicit sex and drugs) with "Krishna's pure devotees, Krishna's feet etc.", very offensive says shastra!

And NM said that anyone who objects to his monkey's and pedophile's worship proqram is "posion" because he is tying to get us dissenters killed. And he did get some of us kiled, and the result was thousands of kids were molested thanks to his handiwork of supporting his "monkey business" -- pedophile worship. "Monkeys are Vishnupada gurus'," just see the ignorance of this NM fellow. The good news is that Jadurani now admits that NM and her program is "supporting monkeys -- to be worshiped as good as -- Vishnu and Srila Prabhupada."

NM is the number one promoter of Monkey acharyas, according to NM himself! Great admission here, NM loves to put monkeys into the seat of Srila Prabhupada and ON KRISHNA'S ALTARS, he is happy to see photos of monkeys on the altars, that is his way of worship of the guru, put monkeys in the guru's seat of "the sum total of the demigods." This is why Sulochana used to say that NM is placing a bucket of stools on Krishna's altars, and now NM admits: he is pretty much doing that! Thanks Jadurani, yes you are correct, NM is the monkey's worship "founder acharya."]

** [COMPILATION 10: NM: Don't think that I am teaching anything other than what your Srila Prabhupada wanted and wrote. His voice has been recorded on his last day. He ordered me, 'Help my disciples.']

[PADA: NM openly admits, he made monkeys, homosexuals and molesters into: Vishnupada acharyas. He admits he drove ISKCON off a cliff by forcing it to worship monkeys as Krishna's pure successors! He was told clearly "they are only monkeys," then he declared the monkeys are "rasika acharyas." NM is de facto admitting that he openly, and apparently intentionally, ruined ISKCON and the lives of thousands of its children by his promoting of monkey gurus. The good news is that now we know who is responsible for promoting monkeys as messiahs, by his own admission!]

** [NM: For this reason he spoke so many things in Bengali. He told me, 'I brought them, but I could not teach them in full.' If he had told them everything, and if they were so knowledgeable and expert, why have so many of the senior devotees, even those in the renounced order, fallen down? Where are they now?]

[PADA: Good, Srila Prabhupada told NM they are falling, they are not fit for sannyasa, they are monkeys. And now NM admits he is so foolish he made the falling down, unfit, and the monkeys into gurus? And in Bengali Srila Prabhupada also says he is being poisoned, but as soon as we mentioned that to Narayana Maharaja, he was ONCE AGAIN very angry that we were attacking his best pal: homosexual guru lover Tamal. NM felt no sympathy for Srila Prabhupada's poison complaint, and no wonder, he was licking the boots of the poison sabha every day for 15 years.]

** [COMPILATION 12: Satsvarupa Goswami: "In the ultimate issue, however, what matters is not so much what Srila Prabhupada may or may not have said to Srila Narayana Maharaja, but what Srila Prabhupada said to us, his disciples. And there is no record of him ever instructing the members of ISKCON to take direction from Srila Narayana Maharaja, other than to seek his advice concerning the details of performing Srila Prabhupada's samadhi ceremony."]

[PADA: Actually this is good, Srila Prabhupada said we should not consult with the Gaudiya Matha. Correct.]

** [REFUTATION 12: Prabhupada himself states, "They never thought, 'Why Guru Maharaja gave us instruction so many things, why he did not say that this man should be acarya?' They wanted to create artificially somebody acarya and everything failed. They did not consider even with common sense that if Guru Maharaja wanted to appoint somebody as acarya, why did he not say? He said so many things, and this point he missed?" So Prabhupada himself was not announced or externally appointed. He manifested as a self-effulgent acarya, and those who were sincere recognized him. That is the system since time immemorial.]

[PADA: And Narayana Maharaja says "there was nothing wrong" when they made a false "appointed" acharya, he further says Sridhara is bona fide and he made false acharyas, in sum NM supports the deviation of appointed gurus. "No common sense," goody!]

** [COMPILATION 13: Hrdayananda Maharaja, letter Thursday, 7 December 2000: "Narayana Maharaja states that he is the 'first' or maybe the 'true' disciple of Srila Prabhupada etc. Actually I have personally served Srila Prabhupada for so many years as a GBC member and he has never mentioned Narayana Maharaja, nor was Narayana Maharaja engaged in any significant service to Srila Prabhupada's Mission. Srila Prabhupada never told in any book, article interview or any other documented statements, that Narayana Maharaja should become the siksa guru of ISKCON."]

[PADA: Hrdayananda finally realized that by his bringing Narayana Maharaja into ISKCON, this was causing major problems. Hrdayananda never admits that it was him and Tamal who introduced NM to ISKCON.]

** [JD: From 1990-1995, several ISKCON gurus regularly visited Srila Maharaja and inquired from him about proper Gaudiya Vaisnava philosophy and the Lord's qualities and pastimes, and Srila Maharaja was satisfied to help the members of ISKCON in their understanding. As the problems in ISKCON still further increased, many ISKCON devotees who were disciples of Prabhupada's disciples but had lost faith in their gurus, being inspired by Srila Maharaja, begged him for bona fide Vaisnava initiation.]

[PADA: And yet is is NM who created the whole false guru problem because, as he says himself, he made "monkeys" into gurus. He has no authority to make monkeys into gurus? The guru is the successor to Krishna, now NM says that monkeys are Krishna's "shaksat" successors!]

** [JD: Srila Maharaja told them he would be their siksa guru and he encouraged them to continue in ISKCON. Also, many devotees who were not yet initiated begged him for initiation, but he refused them. However, in 1995, when ISKCON leaders banned him from their temple properties, and forbade the devotees under their charge from seeing this pure devotee, Srila Maharaja felt bound to travel around the world - to preach and help devotees be re-inspired in their enthusiasm and spiritual practices, like chanting rounds and Gayatri mantra and giving up sinful activities. He gave them all shelter and began initiating, initiating to continue the disciplic line from Prabhupada. He also became the beloved siksa-guru of many hundreds of Prabhupada's direct disciples, giving them a new life after their feeling dried up and hopeless since Prabhupada's departure.]

[PADA: He made a chaos out of ISKCON by creating what he now says are monkey gurus, and then he exploited the chaos he created. The robber starts the court house on fire, and while everyone goes to put that out, the robber takes advantage of the chaos and robs the bank.]

** [JD: For example, some of the members of the GBC might have believed that Prabhupada was making them his spiritual successors when they helped him in formulating his last will, but it was not his last will regarding spiritual matters. After Prabhupada's disappearance from our vision in November of 1977, all the devotees and congregation members of ISKCON were told that Prabhupada had written a last will, making the GBC the ultimate managerial authorities and the ultimate executors in managing all the affairs of ISKCON. But the will was only a legal document regarding properties. The following is an excerpt of a conversation that took place on June 2, 1977, so that you can have more information. It was not a will of successorship or controlling the lives of devotees at all.

Prabhupada: Instead of trustees...
Tamala Krsna: Use a different word.
Prabhupada: Ah!
Ramesvara: Not to apply to a trust.
Giriraja: Oh, I see.
Ramesvara: It's a different word.
Prabhupada: Supreme managers.
Gopala Krsna: Supreme managers. (laughter)
Prabhupada: Or the ultimate managers, like that.
Gopala Krsna: The ultimate executives?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: Yes, the executors.
Gopala Krsna: Ultimate executors.
Tamala Krsna: Or commissioners. You have...
Prabhupada: Hm. Yes, commissioners.
Tamala Krsna: Commissioner is good, 'cause it's already...
Prabhupada: Use such word.
Tamala Krsna: Use a word that's proper.
Giriraja: Okay.
Tamala Krsna: For now just use one word.
Giriraja: "2) Each temple will be a trust property..."
Prabhupada: Again "trust" word.
Gopala Krsna: Again "ISKCON property."
Giriraja: Okay, we can change that wording.
Prabhupada: Hm.

[PADA: Good, they are trustees, like in a prison there are "trustees," that means they are not gurus!]

COMPILATION 14: Narayana Maharaja Los Angeles, California - May 31, 2000: "Never. Srila Swami Maharaja has not instructed like this. Has he said that we should go to the atheists' university? ... Has Srila Swami Maharaja told anywhere that you should go to this bad university or that bad university? What will be the result? Narayana Maharaja December 3, 2001 India: "So many of those who claim to be disciples of Prabhupada neither have faith in him nor in nama-bhajana. Rather, they have faith in universities and mayavada professors. Did Prabhupada tell anyone to learn from mayavadi professors? How can we accept them as ISKCON devotees? They have no faith in ISKCON and ISKCON principles."

REFUTATION 14: There are over 500 quotes from Prabhupada's folio like the ones mentioned below. In these sample quotes, Prabhupada confirms Srila Maharaja's statements about the degrading influence of mundane university association.

[PADA: Correct, Narayana Maharaja knew that Tamal and Hrdayananda were "going to college" and yet he still supported them as gurus, and he said we were bogus for protesting their college education program. Now he admits he created an atmosphere of atheism in ISKCON, and NM is responsible because he supported the "college gurus."]

REFUTATION 15: The compilation is trying to say that Prabhupada authorized certain ISKCON gurus to attend university and get a PHD. This letter is not evidence that a real sannyasi or acarya will attend any other university than the university of Haridasa Thakura. This letter simply encourages a brand new aspiring devotee, who was already in a university, to become a devotee.

[PADA: Correct, so Narayana Maharaja supported bogus college gurus as being bona fide.]

** [Narayana Maharaja Sri Vraja-Mandala Parikrama, p.46: "So you can see that the mood of vipralambha is much more complex than possibly the way you envisioned it to be before. And those who still persist in advocating that vipralambha is the highest, they do not yet have the spiritual maturity and understanding to realize that it is not possible for anything to be more elevated than Srimati Radharani and Krishna's ecstatic loving exchanges in reuniting again."]

[PADA: Great, when Narayana Maharaja's bogus gopis were "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children" he was preaching to them about these rasika topics, which prompted BV Puri to say that NM is simply a sahajiya.]

REFUTATION 18: There is no contradiction between the statements of Srila Maharaja and those of Srila Prabhupada.

[PADA: Wrong! NM says so many things that contradict the acharyas, for example that there is no Kalki avatar, that there is no such thing as priests, that the soul originates in brahman, he says so many things that contradict the acharyas!]

** [Prabhupada continues: But now, these sahajiyas, they are going on in the name of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu: aula, baula, kartta-bhaja, neda, daravesa, sani sahajiya, sakhibheki, like that, so many. They are apa-sampradaya.]

[PADA: How did you guess, many of these sahajiya missions claim you need their "living gurus," who are often debauchees, just as Narayana Maharaja says there is nothing wrong when debauchees pose as acharyas.]

** ["The group known as Gaura-nagarai, who are actually oblivious to Lord Krsna, make a licentious display of sambhoga-rasa. Due to their negligence of Lord Krsna, they simply create obstacles to the development of aprakrta-rasa. Those who aspire for sambhoga always endeavor for the selfish satisfaction of their own senses. Therefore, they are devoid of krsna-bhakti.]

[PADA: Good, and it is Narayana Maharaja who is a leader of this idea. He has promoted "licentuous debauchees" as gurus.]

** [We are ending now because have limited time and space. Every allegation made by Urmilla's paper has a satisfying refutation. Her claims are in every case poorly researched and misleading. We will respond with more answers soon, and if in the meantime anyone has any questions write us at.]

[PADA: Great, now the GBC has deputed a poor woman, Urmila dasi, to combat their own rasika guru program.] Thanks pd