Charu, the greatest hypocrite
preaches bogus philosophy such as the
"current link philosophy" in support of "voted in successor acaryas", with a "less then liberated guru thesis" and a "minimum qualification theory"
Yours in the
of Srila Prabhupada
BHAKTI CHARU SWAMI'S "CURRENT LINK" BUNK
by Urdhvaga Das (ACBSP)
I would like to reply to Bhakticharu Swami's "Guru-Ashraya" paper.
This paper is severely lacking because it not only falls short of describing "guru-tattva", but mainly deals with forced re-initiation, already refuted in VVR #10. I will not go into details here, because BCS's "guru-asraya" paper has already been very scholarly refuted by different devotees; but I wonder why BCS hardly mentions Srila Prabhupada, who is not only the example of the perfect guru, but also the diksha and siksha guru of so many devotees? The essential point in the "guru-asraya" paper is completely avoided by BCS, namely that any devotee can accept Srila Prabhupada as his siksha guru and follow him directly through his vani (books). Did BCS avoid this because Srila Prabhupada has gone back to Godhead now and we need a new guru as the "current link" to explain to us what Srila Prabhupada really means to say regarding guru-tattva as described in Srimad-Bhagavatam? Or how do we understand the following statement in the "guru-asraya" paper:
"In order to receive the real message of Srimad Bhagavatam, one should approach the current link, or spiritual master, in the chain of disciplic succession."
Of course, one
has to understand the message of the Bhagavatam through the person Bhagavata.
That is why Srila Prabhupada wrote his own purports. Our Srimad Bhagavatam is
unique because the verses of the Bhagavatam are directly complemented with the
purports of Srila Prabhupada, who is the bonafide maha-bhagavata ; therefore,
the book Bhagavata and the person Bhagavata are combined in Srila Prabhupada's
Therefore, there is no need for a third party, "the so called current Iskcon links" to (mis)interpret what Srila Prabhupada really means to say. Why is it that Srila Prabhupada's books are no longer able to communicate directly to his readers? Didn't it work with you BCS? Aren't they the Law books for the next 10,000 years? Otherwise, what is the use of our mass book distribution if Srila Prabhupada is no longer directly available through his books, but only through the interpretation of so called current links? Srila Prabhupada himself said in his last words:
"There is nothing new to be said. What ever I had to say, I have already said in my books. Now you must try to understand them and continue with your endeavours. Whether I am present or not present doesn't matter. I'll always be with you in that way. (quoted from BTG, Vol. 13, 1-2)
But BCS concludes his paper as follows:
"Now that Srila Prabhupada is no longer
physically present, those who
truly take shelter of him are those who take shelter of his servants."
Bhakti Charu -
NO NO NO - you are nonsense - Prabhupada did NOT say we should take shelter
of his servants - NO - Prabhupada said we shoud take shelter in his
books and directly associate with him through his books.
Reporter (2): What will happen to the movement in the United States when you die?
Prabhupada: I WILL NEVER DIE.
Devotees: Jaya! Hari bol! (laughter)
Prabhupada: I SHALL LIVE From MY BOOKS, AND YOU WILL UTILIZE.
Reporter (2): Are you training a successor?
Prabhupada: Yes, my Guru Maharaja is there. Where is my photo of Guru Maharaja? I think... Here is.
reasons ill who tells that Vaishnavas die
When thou are living still in sound.
The Vaishnavas die to live
and living try to Spread a holy life around!
... is that spiritual master still guiding
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Just like Krsna is guiding us, similarly spiritual master will guide us. (General lectures, 69/09/23)
Devotee: Srila Prabhupada when you're not present with us , how is it possible to receive instructions? For example in questions that may arise...
Well the questions are answ... answers are there in my books.
(Morning Walk, Los Angeles, 13/5/73)
So utilise whatever time you find to make a thorough study of my books. Then all your questions will be answered. (Letter to Upendra, 7/1/76)
Every one of you must regularly read our books at least twice, in the morning and evening, and automatically all questions will be answered. ( Letter to Randhira, 24/01/70)
If I depart there is no cause for lamentation. I will always be with you through my books and orders. I will always remain with you in that way. (BTG 13:1-2, December 1977)
In my books the philosophy of Krishna Consciousness is EXPLAINED FULLY so if there is anything which you do not understand, then you simply have to read again and again. By reading daily THE KNOWLEDGE WILL BE REVEALED TO YOU AND BY THIS PROCESS YOUR SPIRITUAL LIFE WILL DEVELOP.
Note: This clearly indicates that Srila Prabhupada's books are understood through their own potency, and that there is therefore no need for a physically present guru to understand the books. Our Srimad Bhagavatam is unique because the verses of the Bhagavatam are directly complemented with the purports of Srila Prabhupada, who is the bonafide maha-bhagavata ; therefore, the book Bhagavata and the person Bhagavata are combined in Srila Prabhupada's Srimad Bhagavatam. Therefore, there is no need for a third party, "the so called current Iskcon links" to (mis)interpret what Srila Prabhupada "really means to say". sic
Prabhupada: So I cannot speak. I am feeling very weak. I was to go to other places like Chandigarh program, but I cancelled the program because the condition of my health is very deteriorating. So I preferred to come to Vrndavana. If death takes place, let it take here. So there is nothing to be said new. Whatever I have to speak, I have spoken in my books. Now you try to understand it and continue your endeavor. Whether I am present or not present, it doesn't matter.
I should be returning to Los Angeles the last week of November and I should be more than happy to see you there. Please always try to remember me by my teachings and we shall always be together. Just like I have written in the first publications of Srimad-Bhagavatam, "THE SPIRITUAL MASTER LIVES FOREVER BY HIS DIVINE INSTRUCTION AND THE DISCIPLE LIVES WITH HIM.", because I have always served my Guru Maharaja and followed His teachings I am now even never separated from Him. Sometimes Maya may come and try to interfere but we must not falter, we must always follow the chalked out path layed down by the great acharya's and in the end you will see.
Prabhupada: So there is nothing to be said new. Whatever I have to speak, I have spoken in my books. Now you try to understand it and continue your endeavor. Whether I am present or not present, it doesn't matter.
"I shall remain your personal guidance, physically present or not physically, as I am getting personal guidance from my guru maharaja" (Srila Prabhupada to Tamal Krishna, 14 July 1977)
Urdhvaga: We should not deceive ourselves into thinking that Iskcons conditioned souls are infallible gurus. We rather should take shelter with Srila Prabhupada, who is the perfect guru for all. He will never disappoint us. Srila Prabhupada is still available for anyone who is sincere in his heart, but if Prabhupad is substituted for ordinary souls posing as absolute gurus, then one certaily will be deceived.
Srila Prabhupada's ritvik instruction, outlined in his letter of July 9, addressed to all devotees is self- explanatory and anyone can understand it whose brain substance is not contaminated by bogus philosophy preached by Iskcons false successor acaryas, self appointed faggots gurus worshiped in a homosexual paedophile guru lineage. Religious propagandist and pseudo-gurus disguised as devotees exploiting the members and assets of the society. -Demoniac Kali-yuga disciples-
"There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaishnavas in this Krishna Consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. A false acarya may try to override a vaishnava by a high-court decision, (2/3 hand vote) but Bhaktivinoda Thakura says that he is nothing but a disciple of Kali-yuga." (CC.Madhy., Ch.1, Text 218 / 220, purport)
"Srila Prabhupada: A devotee should have intelligence to know who is deviating. Surrender by your intelligence but don't surrender your intelligence." (SP to Bali Mardana, 1974)
link philosophy" in support of "voted
in successor acaryas", with a "less
then liberated guru thesis" and a
qualification theory", is completely
nonsensical in any context and is not confirmed by shastra and is a negation
of Srila Prabhupada's presence in his "vani".
It is simply the same old bogus philosophy which has caused so much chaos in our movement.
These "guru-asraya papers" are sastra-ninda, or a twisting of the Vedic philosophy, to suit BCS self-motivated ends of being an exclusive current link. What TKG did on the gross platform (Perverting the guru system), BCS is doing on the subtle platform (perverting the philosophy). That BCS has more philosophical misconceptions than TKG can be seen by the fact that he has become the judge, jury and executioner, i.e., he has already proclaimed himself as guru, sastra and sadhu, by speculating on and miss-interpreting the guru-tattva issue in his "guru-asraya" paper; by comparing his god brothers to the Kesi demon; and by twisting sastra and preaching bogus philosophy in support of current links, excluding Srila Prabhupada as a non physical link.
Bhakti Charu why are you stopping devotees from accepting Srila Prabhupada as guru? Are you better then Srila Prabhupada? Why are you forcing devotees to accept self-appointed, bogus Iskcon gurus, who fall down after some time? Why can't they accept Srila Prabhupada, when he says he is with us through his books? Or could it be, that devotees can't understand the books anymore because Jayadvaita changed them?
It is heartbreaking to see how new disciples in Iskcon are forced to worship their "present day living survivor gurus" (who fall down after some time), being denied direct access to and through Srila Prabhupada. Iskcon devotees have to see their so called "current living links" on the same platform as Srila Prabhupada, infallible equal in all respect, with the same worship. Prabhupada is secondary because he is not a living guru. It is such an impudence and arrogance of Iskcon kanistha-gurus to teach their disciples such bogus philosophy.
New devotees are not even being allowed to accept Srila Prabhupada as their siksha-guru, or instructing spiritual master, what to speak of diksa-guru, although Srila Prabhupada says: "I'll always be with you in that way". Isk con gurus are claiming from their disciples both positions, to be their initiating as well as the instructing guru. So where does Srila Prabhupada comes in? Is he not needed anymore?. Because of BCS's philosophy: "Now that Srila Prabhupada is no longer physically present........" new devotees are forced to worship fallible gurus in a bogus current link sampradaya, excluding Srila Prabhupada in the chain of disciplic succession.
das: Bhakticharu you are nonsense rascal No.
1, Kali-Chela pseudo devotee and false guru who preaches bogus philosophy, stealing
Prabhupadas disciples. You protect those who have poisoned our guru, keeping
quite, because of your rubber stamp guru certificate you received from them
in a homosexual re-coronation ceremony, supporting the vicious homosexual pedophile
worship "as good as God" lineage. We despise
you and spit on you. Pfui!
Srila Prabhupada: "I am practically seeing that as soon as they, our students, begin to learn a little Sanskrit, they immediately feel they have become more than their guru. Then the policy is to kill their guru and become guru themselves". "As soon as he learns that Guru Maharaj is dead, now I am so advanced I can kill guru and become guru. Then he is finished." (Srila Prabhupada 1976).
GURU CHEATING NOT EFFECTIVE (April 22.77).
Prabhupada: People complained against [a GBC for trying to appear as a guru]. ...You become guru, but you must be QUALIFIED FIRST of all. THEN you become. ...What is the use of producing some RASCAL GURU?
Tamala Krishna: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it's clear fact that we are ALL CONDITIONED SOULS, so we CANNOT BE gurus. MAYBE someday it may be possible....
Prabhupada: Hm. [agrees]
Tamala Krishna: ...but not now.
Prabhupada: Yes. I shall produce some gurus. I shall say who is guru, 'No you become acharya. You become authorized.' I retire completely. But the training must be COMPLETE.
Tamala Krishna: The process of purification must be there. ...No rubber stamp.
Prabhupada: You can cheat, but it will not be effective. Just see our Gaudiya Matha. Everyone wanted to be guru. A small temple and "guru." What kind of guru?
We haven't got to manufacture. To manufacture ideas is troublesome. Why should
we take the trouble? And as soon as you want to manufacture something to my....,
that is DANGEROUS. ...That you are singing every day, "what our guru has
said, that is our life and soul." ...As soon as this POISON will come -suppress
guru and I become Brahman- everything FINISHED. Spiritual life is finished.
Gaudiya Matha finished, ...VIOLATED the orders of Guru Maharaja.
...And as soon as you manufacture, fall down. This manufacturing idea is very, very dangerous in spiritual life. ...Our mission is to serve bhakta visesa and live with devotees. NOT THAT YOU TAKE THE PLACE OF GURU. THAT IS NONSENSE, VERY DANGEROUS. Then everything will be spoiled. As soon as you become AMBITIOUS to TAKE THE PLACE of GURU-gurusuh nara matih. That is MATERIAL DISEASE.
Srila Prabhupada: Don't be allured by cheap disciples. Go on steadfastly to render service first. If you immediately become guru, then the service activities will be stopped; and as there are so many cheap gurus and cheap disciples, without any substantial knowledge, and manufacturing new sampradayas, and with service activities stopped, and all spiritual progress choked up. (SPL (VI 1987) 68.8.17)
Srila Prabhupada: "This is the function of the GBC, to see that one may not be taken away by maya. The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This is what I want." (to Madhudvisa 4 Aug, 1975)
Srila Prabhupada: "I am the Spiritual Master of this institution, and ALL the members of the Society, they're supposed to be MY disciples. They follow the rules and regulations which I ask them to follow, and they are INITIATED BY ME spiritually" - (Srila Prabhupada Radio Interview, 12 March 1968, San Francisco)
Srila Prabhupada: "I wish that each and every branch shall keep their separate identity and cooperate keeping the acharya in the center. On this principle we can open any number of branches all over the world. The Rama Krishna mission works on this principle and thus as an organization they have done wonderfully." (letter 11th Feb. 1967)
Srila Prabhupada: He [Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami Maharaja] never recommended anyone to be acharya of the Gaudiya Math.... If Guru Maharaja could have seen someone who was qualified at that time to be acharya, he would have mentioned. Because on the night before he passed away he talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acharya. Therefore we may not commit the same mistake in our ISKCON camp. (Srila Prabhupada, letter to Rupanuga das, April 28, 1974)
To all of you Iskcon machos, purushas, gays, GHQ, homos, woman and child haters:
Concerning your mistranslation - misinterpretation:
Bhagavad Gita, 9:32 says:
maam hi paartha vyapaasritya
ye 'pi syuh paapayonayah
striyo vaisyas tathaa suudraas
te 'pi yaanti paraam gatim
For those who take refuge in Me, O Paartha (Arjuna),
though they are lowly born, women, Vaisyas, as well
as Suudras, they also attain to the highest goal.
Thus, the Supreme Lord promises that the highest goal is available to all people without distinction of sex, race, caste, etc. The societal distinction of low-born, high-born, women, men, varnas (including Sudras, Vaishyas, etc.) are irrelevant from the Supreme Lord's point of view, and he promises salvation to all people who look to him and take refuge in him.
Misguided people mistranslate this verse deliberately and sometimes through ignorance. They apply "paapayonayah" as an adjective to "striyah" and infer that women are lowly born, but that clearly is not the intention in the verse, as "paapayonayah" is a noun that applies to all people who have had lowly tendencies, men or women. He promises that even they are raised to the highest level. Women, unfortunately, undergo discrimination in most societies throughout history, and so do Sudras and Vaishyas, many times, and even Kshatriyas and Brahmanas. The infinite compassion from the Supreme Lord is very clear from this verse, as well as in the rest of the Gita, and there should be no doubt as to its meaning, importance and relevance, to contemporary society.
This whole Reverse Speech Study issue is debatable of course. I'm including it as food for thought. Some people I respect are following this of thought. For information about Reverse Speech here is a good resource. I'm not saying yay or nay, but it is interesting.
There is substantial evidence supporting the charge that Srila Prabhupada was murdered but the matter has never been fully resolved. Many of Srila Prabhupada's disciples are appalled at the vary suggestion while others are determined to ferret out the truth and some have looked into and are convinced he died of his illness as his doctors maintain. At this late date it seems likely that the matter will never be satisfactorily resolved. Those who know the truth are getting old and while much is said in private little is said in public.
DEEPAK KI JAI
3 different people have responded to my request to Rama Kesava Das to support his assumption that the word 'current link' means a physically present 'living guru' with evidence from Srila Prabhupada. They are Ananda Das, Robert Newman and Rama Kesava Das himself. Firstly Ananda Das wrote a lengthy article called "Hundredfold hairsplitting cannot save Rtvik theory". Ananda Prabhu however has helpfully summarised the contents of his article in an abstract. Extracts from this abstract are given enclosed in speech marks " " thus, with my response following underneath.
"ABSTRACT: Deepak Vohra declared that, absent proof, he would not approach an accessible, living guru, but attempt a theoretical relationship with a departed guru." I declared no such thing. My article was only two paragraphs long, in which I simply asked Rama Kesava prabhu to substantiate his speculation that 'current' means 'living'. Ananda needs to read what I actually wrote, and respond to that, instead of responding to some imaginary 'ritvik theory' he thinks I am proposing.
"Ananda das suggests that, even without specific words from Prabhupada requiring aspirants to approach a living guru, such is the clear intent of past practice, as well as of Prabhupada's books and numerous lectures." This is a contradiction. How can a 'clear intent' come from Srila Prabhupada's books and lectures unless expressed in SPECIFIC WORDS? Srila Prabhupada only ever communicates using words, and in order for them to express an intent which is 'clear', they must be 'specific' and clear, not vague and unclear. Yet Ananda prabhu says that this 'clear intent' is evidenced 'even WITHOUT SPECIFIC WORDS'.
"Book-initiation is a meaningless pretense, he says; one must apprentice with a guru capable of administering correction." No one as far as I know has ever proposed 'book initiation.' Certainly not I. Initiation must always be from a spiritual master, not a book. And this idea of 'apprenticing with a guru capable of administering correction', was never practiced by Srila Prabhupada, since he never MET the majority of his disciples, and thus they were never administered 'correction' personally in the capacity of being an apprentice.
So just from the abstract, Ananda prabhu: Makes it clear that he will not be responding to what I actually said, but instead he will answering imaginary 'straw man' 'ritvik theory' arguments. Contradicts the basis of his whole thesis, which is to prove that Srila Prabhupada expressed a clear and specific intent, by saying he did so without needing to use specific words; yet Srila Prabhupada only ever commuinicated via 'specific words' to express a 'clear intent'. He definitely did not use vague words to express something 'clear', and he certainly did not use sign language.
He also proposes a Guru-disciple model that was not practiced by Srila Prabhupada. And since Srila Prabhupada is an acarya, which means he teaches by example, we also know that whatever he did not practice, he did not teach either. Since the abstract gives the substance of the article, we can be sure that the article will not contain any material which will be relevant to either what I said, or what Srila Prabhupada taught, and hence is of no relevance to this debate. Indeed having read the article, I can confirm that all the points which Ananda prabhu makes can actually be responded to by regurgitating the above 3 points. I will give but one example:
Ananda prabhu opens his article by saying:
"Mr. Vohra persists in attributing great importance to the term "current link", declares that it must, a priori and forever into the future, only refer to the ISKCON Founder-Acharya Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, then "challenges" us to find in the "Vedabase" a sentence he himself invented." I never said the term 'current link' must refer to Srila Prabhupada 'forever into the future'. I only asked that Rama Kesava Prabhu substantiate his assertion about what HE declared the term meant.
I also did not ask anyone to find a sentence I invented. I asked Rama Kesava prabhu to substantiate a concept which HE invented, which is that 'current means living'. Rama Kesava prabhu said that "The words 'current link' clearly mean that we must approach a living guru, .". I simply asked where Srila Prabhupada states this speculation, since it was Srila Prabhupada who used the term 'current link', and we can only ascribe to it a meaning that Srila Prabhupada himself gives.
In this way the whole article can be responded to by simply repeating the 3 points made above, with which I responded to his abstract. I therefore humbly suggest that Ananda prabhu re-writes his article so that it both addresses what I actually said, and what Srila Prabhupada specifically said, thus making it of value to this discussion.
Next we come to Robert Newman and Rama Kesava Das's attempts to respond to my request that Rama Kesava Prabhu provide support from Srila Prabhupada to support his speculation that the words "current link' clearly mean that we must approach a living guru".
The reply from Mr. Robert Newman, agrees that no such support can be found from Srila Prabhupada's teachings. However, he states that such support is not necessary since it is a matter of "common sense" that "current link" must mean someone who is physically present. Another reply from Rama Kesava Prabhu also agrees that no such support can be found from Srila Prabhupada's teachings. He also agrees with Mr Newman that no such support is necessary. He gives a different reason however. He states that we can interpret the word "current link" to mean 'physically present', since this is what historical practice would teach us - i.e. all Diksa Gurus previously have been physically present.
However, neither of these methods - "common sense" and "historical practice" - have been sanctioned by Srila Prabhupada as the method by which to understand his words. Without such sanction, everyone can propose his own method by which to understand what Srila Prabhupada's words 'really' mean. Some even say we should understand Srila Prabhupada's words by interpreting them in line with current scientific evidence, or by having them double-checked by Narayana Maharaja etc. Everyone will have his own method. We already have two here from two different individuals. There is no end. That is why we need AUTHORITY from Srila Prabhupada that we can understand his words by a method other than - his words. So before we consider the arguments put forward by Mr Newman and Rama Kesava Das, we first need a statement from Srila Prabhupada sanctioning that their arguments are even valid. Then we can examine the actual arguments in more detail.
you have said in the book NTIP Page-121,para-2 (quote) " Since I was one of Srila
Prabhupada's servants at that time, taking care of his food and medicines, according
to that book (Someone has Poisoned Me), I am naturally a suspect......" (unquote)
Yes, it was you who killed Prabhupada by offering him (out of ignorance?) poisonous food and milk which Tamal and Bhav have prepared with arsenic.
However, in the Toronto meeting referred to above, BCS did get an opportunity to reveal how he is the master of hypocrisy par excellence. We have exposed in previous IRM newsletters how BCS will say one thing which people want to hear, but PRACTICE something completely different. Like re-naming his Vyasa-Puja festival the 'Srila Prabhupada Memorial Festival', but still managing to squeeze in lavish worship for himself in the middle of this so-called 'Srila Prabhupada Memorial Festival'! The following are some more gems that fell out of his mouth at the meeting:
a) "Like some individuals are very open, like Bhakti Marg Maharaja, he is kind of, even, he was telling me yesterday when he gives initiation he tells his disciples that you are actually Prabhupada's disciple and I am taking care of you, trying to help you to become engaged in Srila Prabhupada's mission. Now that's actually the crux of the whole thing, that if everybody understands and make that point clear to their disciples then I think that a lot of our problems will be solved." (Bhakti Caru Swami)
Here BCS states that he agrees with Bhakti Marg Swami that AT INITIATION the disciple must be told that they are actually SRILA PRABHUPADA's disciple. To tell the disciple AT INITIATION that they are Srila Prabhupada's disciples is of course 'hard-core ritvik' and goes much further than even the watered-down 'officiating acarya' proposal which was put to him at the Toronto Meeting! Yet BCS does NOT do this himself, but rather continues to agree with the rest of the GBC that the idea that at initiation the initiate becomes Srila Prabhupada's disciple is a most dangerous, deviant and heretical idea. He also of course continues to relate with 'his disciples' as if they are HIS disciples and NOT Srila Prabhupada's - Guru daksina (monetary offerings meant for the genuine Guru), regular Guru-puja, Vyasa-puja offerings and celebrations etc.
b) "After Harikesa fell down in 1998, in 1999 I proposed that it's obvious that we are going in the wrong direction. Now, when you go wrong , when you know you're going in the wrong direction, what do you do? You stop to find the right way. So for the time-being, let's stop giving initiation and find out what is actually the problem and what is the solution to this problem, whether we can find a solution and until then, let us stop. And then in simple words even my friend were, sort of, er, kind of, er, became rather negative." (Bhakti Caru Swami)
He claims after Harikesa fell down in 1999 he agreed ISKCON's Gurus were going in the wrong direction and they should STOP initiating, and figure out the right thing to do. Of course, BCS himself did NOT stop giving initiation, but rather, by his own words, 'continued going in the wrong direction', something which he continues to do to this very day.
c) "Yes, I agree, to begin with, I think at the beginning I said our main problem was introducing a defective initiation system. And that defective system may have been watered down to some extent but its still prevailing." (Bhakti Caru Swami)
But this 'defective initiation system' which is 'still prevailing, is the very same one which BCS continues to practice with vigour. Just last week, BCS performed a whole bunch of initiations at Bhaktivedanta Manor in England.
d) "Like in 1987, although we had a reform, after so many gurus fell down, there was a fifty man committee was formed and there was reform it was not actually, at least my perception is that it was not actually a reform. It was kind of watering down the same misconception and continuing. Like what we did was we appointed some more gurus and opened up the world for anybody to initiate wherever he wanted. Whereas previous to that it was a kind of zonal acarya? So that I think is the main mistake where we started, that took place after Srila Prabhupada's disappearance that has never been properly rectified." (Bhakti Caru Swami)
Here BCS openly admits that the zonal acarya Guru hoax of 1978-1987 was NOT reformed. He admits that the main mistake has never been properly rectified i.e. it is still continuing today. Yet for the last 17 years he has made ZERO attempt to rectify this deviation, and instead he has continued 'going in the wrong direction', vigorously practising and promoting this same 'watered down' misconception. Rather, he HAS been very active in trying to suppress those who have been trying to 'properly rectify this 'main mistake' - the IRM.
e) "Like I noticed that the first ones to leave the movement were the leading devotees who did not become initiating spiritual masters. Like, er, to name a few, like Acutyananda, Gurukrpa, Gargamuni. Like they were all leading devotees but they didn't become gurus. Many of them were GBCs and then we noticed that those who did not support the gurus, they were systematically driven out of the movement." (Bhakti Caru Swami)
And guess who was one of those who supported the Gurus while they 'systematically' drove these devotees out of the movement? The person who DID support the Gurus and hence did NOT get thrown out? Yes, Bhakti Caru Swami.
f) "And personally I felt that it was becoming fragmented because Prabhupada's position hasn't been properly established. Theoretically we may have established but we haven't practically applied it. Like one of the main things is that we have to understand is that in ISKCON everything belongs to Srila Prabhupada, not only the assets and properties belong to Srila Prabhupada, but even the individuals also belong to Srila Prabhupada. [...] And everything moving and non-moving, as they say, belongs to Srila Prabhupada." (Bhakti Caru Swami)
If everything belongs to Srila Prabhupada, then obviously so do the disciples. Yet BCS is still initiating like crazy trying to scoop up as many disciples as possible for himself. If he truly believed everything belonged to Srila Prabhupada then he would hand all his disciples back to Srila Prabhupada - not be rushing around making more for himself!
g) "But after Prabhupada left, we actually started a philosophy or started an understanding, that now Srila Prabhupada is gone, and now the gurus, mainly the diksa gurus, are the sole responsibility of their disciples. Now, had it been a situation where the institution wasn't there, then probably that could have been the case but generally that was the old traditional understanding in India that the guru leaves the planet and the disciple initiates and then it is that guru's responsibility to guide his disciples. But ISKCON was something very different from that. Like those situations are when an individual opens an ashram, and has a few disciples personally training them and they were in this way responsible for their spiritual life. But when you look at ISKCON, there you can see that it's an institution, it's a worldwide international organization with so many centres, so many devotees, and this structure has been created by Srila Prabhupada." (Bhakti Caru Swami)
Again here BCS is saying the very opposite of what he is doing. The very reason the GBC give for propping up their unauthorised Guru system is that "the guru leaves the planet and the disciple initiates and then it is that guru's responsibility to guide his disciples." The same system BCS practises. BCS is however correct in saying that in ISKCON there was another "structure created by Srila Prabhupada". It was known as the ritvik system and was clearly documented in writing in many places, and is the very system that BCS does NOT follow!
In summary, this has to be one of the most brazen displays of hypocrisy ever witnessed. BCS admits that what is going on in ISKCON today, and hence what he is doing, is WRONG - but he continues to do it anyway.
He admits they should have stopped initiating in 1999 - but HE didn't.
He admits that the correct thing is to say to the disciples they are Srila Prabhupada's disciples, since everything in ISKCON belongs to Srila Prabhupada anyway - but HE doesn't do this.
Rather he carries on initiating, taking more and more worship, daksina and disciples. It seems in today's ISKCON you can say any damn thing and get away with it. You can admit that everything I am doing is wrong, but I am still going to do it anyway, and like all good cults, no one takes a blind bit of notice. In the meantime, Srila Prabhupada's movement continues to disintegrate due to the 'defective' 'main mistake' initiation system that BCS agrees is wrong but still practises anyway, while assisting the suppression of the 'everyone is Srila Prabhupada's disciple' system which he agrees is correct.
Bhakti Charu - The master of hypocrisy continues to surpass himself!
[Pada: Bhakti Caru swami was "voted in as a guru" at the 1986 recoronation ceremony of the GBC's homosexual pedophile "guru" Bhavananda. He was so anxious to get his guru certificate from the pedophile's sabha, and at that time they also said that Kirtanananda is like Jesus, while he was covered with the hands of fifty boys while BCS sat there chanting "Jaya Bhatipada" (the molester guru) along with the GBC.
BCS not only acquesced he fully endorsed the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles, lets not forget, the GBC reports of Bhavananda's acitivities showed that he was having HOMO sex in the holy dham. So if you BCS, then you are certified as guru at the recoronation of homosexual pedophiles, posing as Vishnupada, who are having butt sex, and then you are a pure butt sex guru-ophile, and you are Bhakti Caru, we agree, he is butt sex guru (with kids) certified. He also says, even today, that those of us who tried to protect the kids from his butt sex guru project are "ritvik deviants" since he is proud he got so many kids molested. For any questions please write to: email@example.com --thanks pd]