WHAT ABOUT THE GAUDIYA MATH?

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I joined the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON) in 1974. The founder acarya is A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada (or "Prabhupad"). He cared so much about following his guru's instructions AND about us, that he crossed the rough sea and suffered two heart attacks to tell us Who God/Krishna is, how to connect with Him, and how to get out of this material world in one lifetime. <p>

 

I am often caught in a somewhat difficult situation when it comes to my Gaudiya Math godsiblings. On the one hand I do not wish to offend them; on the other, I firmly want to follow Prabhupada's instructions and do not wish to offend him, ever. <p>

 

B.R. Srila Sridhara Swami, Gaudiya Math
Srila Sridhara Maharaja
Gaudiya Matha
Once, many years ago while living at a temple, I was informed Prabhupada instructed us not to associate with his godbrothers (the Gaudiya Math), while simultaneously we should also not compare ourselves to them, nor judge them. It seems we too often are unable to follow this instruction.

 

Whether it's out of curiosity, or because we don't want to follow the 4 regs or chant 16 rounds but wish to believe we'll still get the results and go back to Godhead, or whether it's because we don't know how to take satisfaction therefore always looking for a better "high" in Krishna Consciousness, or possibly because of the guru issues -- one I am not going to get into here -- but whatever the reason, the final deciding factors should be Prabhupada's instructions on the GM (Gaudiya Math). Which really are not so hard. All he has asked us to do is mind our own business. :) 

 

Yet too many of us join these various branches, or go the other extreme and make offenses against his godbrothers. Either way is wrong. *He* can criticize his godbrothers -- we cannot. I was once told Prabhupada explained that we do not understand their maya. 

 

We simply need to follow Prabhupada's instructions without judging the GM. But we cannot let that be used as an excuse to go the other extreme. It's about holding your ground to follow Prabhupada's directive on this without making offenses. 

 

One argument given in favor of accepting a GM guru is derived from the time when Prabhupada asked Sridhara Maharaja to sit on the vyasana with him. Plus, in Prabhupada's lecture he spoke nicely of Sridhara Maharaja and about accepting instruction from him. This made me think. I also read that lecture. It made me think further. To understand the mind of the pure devotee is impossible. To follow his specific instructions is not. As I delved into this topic it really became quite clear: Do what he instructs and don't get lost in anything else.

 

Then there is the point made that Prabhupada said Sridhara Maharaja is even his siksa guru. It can all be very confusing without research into the entire picture. 
B.R. Srila Sridhara Swami, Gaudiya Math
Srila Sridhara Maharaja
Gaudiya Matha

 

Prabhupada has instructed that we are all "siksa" guru. Every sankirtana devotee, everyone who still believes in preaching/sharing, all of this is called "siksa." We even preach to each other and for that moment we may be the persons siksa, or not. Just that we can be one, according to Srila Prabhupada. Therefore, some small advice may be taken from those outside of Prabhupada's movement (if it's not contradictory), but not big advice. Big advice must come through "our" parampara - Srila Prabhupada.  Additionally, I have been informed that Prabhupada merely wanted us to get advice from Sridhara Maharaja regarding how to make his samadhi.

 

But what about sitting with Prabhupada? Srila Prabhupada asked George Harrison to sit with him on his asana in his room. Although George did not do it, this invite from Prabhupada was there. It did not make George anyone's diksa guru.  :-) Nor does it anyone else. 

 

Though some may feel there is a difference between an asana and a vyasana. I agree. However, we try very hard to read 'this or that' into Prabhupada's teachings. But his relationship with his godbrothers is something we cannot understand, and he has specifically stated he does not want us to go there. (Quotes below.) Two godbrothers sharing a vyasana is simply that. Until he tells us it has some other meaning, we should not try to make it so.

 

I explain these things only to present the facts and with no intent of  offense to anyone mentioned. 

 

Next, there has been the argument that Prabhupada apologized to his godbrothers on his death bed, thus had a change of mind. I was a devotee at the time and  remember hearing this story. That was not the understanding back than. Rather, it was "Prabhupada is showing us how to die, that you apologize to everyone, regardless." But now some have misunderstood, believing that last minute, jagat guru changed his mind. Some are under the impression that what he said and believed about his godbrothers all throughout his sublime life became nullified and something he was retracting. Let's clear this up. The pure devotee is not under illusion in such a way. It is not that in life he was covered-over, but upon death he came to his senses. He never lost his (divine) senses. We should never think this way of the pure devotee. Srila Prabhupada has "always" known what he was doing and saying. The apology was simply etiquette and an example of humility we should follow even upon our death beds. 

 

Just for the record, while Prabhupada took the humble position, this specific apology is not to be found in the folio or on any taped recordings. Especially in his last days, every word Prabhupada spoke was recorded! Who actually witnessed it? If it's true, I wish they would come forward, and wonder why they haven't. In which case, I also wonder why nothing at all is documented 'somewhere' (bona fide) as proof that this took place. 

 

Below I will post Prabhupada's quotes for those interested. I do not intend to offend any of you out there and only to share what I know Prabhupada instructed. Thank you for loaning an ear. Hare Krishna.

 

Your Servant,

 

Prtha dd

 

P.S. Please don't email me with a debate if you have a problem with this site. No one is forcing you to read. 

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"Regarding Bhakti Puri, Tirtha Maharaja, they are my God-brothers and should be shown respect. But you should not have any intimate connection with them as they have gone against the orders of my Guru Maharaja." Srila Prabhupada Letter to Pradyumna 02/17/68<p>

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"Now, one thing is I understand that in the past you were visiting Lalita Prasadji and that you may also be planning to continue to visit him when you return to India. This is not approved by me and I request you not to go to see him any more. He holds a grudge against
my Guru Maharaja and even if it is transcendental it will gradually appear mundane in our eyes."

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"Regarding our Gaudiya Math in Bombay: I am very sorry that you are disappointed in respect of their activities. I know this fact because in 1934 I was one of the active members in starting this Math. The Gowalia Tank center was opened by me, and although I lived separately from the Math, practically I was in charge of the Math and under the instructions from His Divine Grace. Then after His Departure, you know so many unhappy things happened, but, as I was a householder, I remained always aloof from those unhappy incidences."  S.P. letter to Jagannatha Prabhu, Montreal, June 22, 68

 

 

BRIEF HISTORY OF EVENTS

 

In Mayapura India Madhava Maharaja came over and shouted at Srila Prabhupada, pointed in his face with his finger quite rudely -- to stop using the title "Prabhupada."  Devotees were very worried and alarmed at this sub-violent outburst. Then Prabhupada said (paraphrased), "Post a guard at my door, my God brothers might try to harm me."   

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"In Isana and his wife's letters there is reference to Tirtha Maharaja's name, as if they were advised by Brahmananda Maharaja and company to come to India and join Tirtha Maharaja. It appears like that. I shall be glad if you kindly inquire on this point. It is now clear that my Godbrothers take objection of my being called as Prabhupada and on this point they wanted to poison the whole Society - that is now clear. But how it was manipulated - that is a mystery." ~ SP letter to Rupanuga, Sept 25, 70, Calcutta 

 

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"You should not write anything to Madhava Maharaja's camp. You may have talked many things with Mangala Niloy but why write him in black and white. The letter must not be sent. Their policy has been all along to suppress me and take credit for himself. Their proposal for cooperation is a myth. They haven't done anything which is cooperative. You know in a recent article they managed to write in such a way that Madhava is doing the world movement and we are his subordinate. From the beginning that has been their mentality. So there is no possibility of cooperation with them. Rather you should avoid strictly meeting with them. They are not after preaching but material gain and reputation and adoration. Otherwise why they are non cooperating with me? So no cooperation is possible. Do not think or indulge in loose talks. Be careful always. Let us do the duty of propagation sincerely and seriously on our own principles. Krsna and Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura are our only hope and they and helping us. If anything thing has to be done it is to be talked on the higher level between Madhava Maharaja and myself, but I know his mentality is different and there is no possibility of cooperation." Srila Prabhupada's letter to Acutananda 6/8/74

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"Our big, big godbrothers in India, they could not preach Lord Gauranga's name all over India. They are simply inclined to criticize me, that my students call me Prabhupada. They could not do anything practical and tangible. They are satisfied with a temple and a few disciples begging alms for the maintenance of the temple." SP letter to Niranjana, Brooklyn, May 21, 73

 

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"If somebody thinks, 'Oh, here is a snake with jewel. Let me embrace him, no, no, no, it is very ferocious. Even it is jewel there, it is ferocious. Similarly, these people are envious. Although they have become so-called Vaisnava, they are ferocious. They have not acquired the qualification of Vaisnava. Simply vesopidin(?), by dress." Srila Prabhupada's Room Conversation in Vrindaban 5/24/77

 

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"Damodara Maharaja is a dangerous man. Remain very cautious with him. He is always causing difficulty. Regarding the two men who have come to us from Gaudiya Math, for the time being we should try not to give shelter to such persons unless they are tested." Srila Prabhupada letter to Jayapataka, Hyderbad, Dec. 4, 1976

 

 

MERELY A GURU FOR HIPPIES

 

In the beginning of the late end of the 60's, ISKCON devotees in Mayapura were all going to Sridhara's math. One time Himavati and some other devotees went there. She noted that some of their leaders were sort of snickering and saying Prabhupada can only make "Western mleccha Hippies" into devotees, and not pukka brahmanas from India. Therefore Himavati  challenged them, they insulted her, and they said Prabhupada is only "the guru for the hippies."

Himavati went back across the river crying and reported all this to Srila  Prabhupada. He said that we should not go to any of their temples. Srila Prabhupada did not say don't go to any of their ashrams *except* Sridhara's or Narayana M's. His instructions were clear - don't go to any.

 

 

"Regarding the Gaudiya Math, our position has nothing to do with them. They cannot do anything and if somebody does something, they will be envious. That is the nature of third class men. My Guru Maharaja once told this story; one friend informed another that one man has become the High Court Judge. "Oh no," he replied, "No. That cannot be right." "Yes, he is now a Judge," said the first friend. "I have seen him sitting on the bench." The second man replied, "Maybe. But I don't think he is getting any salary." Such envious men will find out some fault anywhere. There is no fault, actually, but they will manufacture some fault. That is their business. So many persons were envious of my Guru Maharaja, but He was preaching and did not care for them." ~ SP letter to Yamuna dd, Nov 18, 70

 

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"There are similarly men also. Unnecessarily they are envious, offensive, unnecessary. They cannot tolerate others' opulence. Just like our Godbrothers. They are envious. What I have done to them? I am doing my business, trying to serve my Guru Maharaja. But they are envious because I am so opulent. I have got so much fame, so many influence, so much influence all over the world. Everyone is praising me about... That is ignorance. And this is regrettable because they are posing themselves as Vaisnava. Ordinary man can do that, but they are dressing like Vaisnava, and they are so envious. That Tirtha Maharaja, unnecessarily he was envious, whole life fighting, fighting, fighting in the court and died. Simply planning."  Srila Prabhupada's Room Conversation in Bombay 1/8/77

 

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"So, we can understand that they have all become sudras. How can they have interest in Bhagavad-gita. Although some of them have been born in brahmana families, but by quality are all sudras." Srila Prabhupada's letter to Niranjana 5/21/73

 

 

NARAYANA MAHARAJA

 

Having never read a quote from Prabhupada specifically against Narayana Maharaja, I often would not comment when hearing 'this-or-that' about him. Over time it seems the answer to this question has cleared up on its own. 

 

In a published flyer two years ago adverting a Narayan Maharaja Festival in southern California, in La Jolla, it read: "Founder of ISKCON: A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami; Present Acarya of ISKCON: Narayana Maharaja.

 

Srila Prabhupada clearly never, ever named Narayana Maharaja the present acarya of ISKCON. He would have if he wanted that to be so. It's not that he was unable to, it's that he did not want to.

 

As of this writing (Jan, 2004) during Kartika and after parikram, at one of Narayana Maharaja's temples (a big one), in front of a group of hundreds, possibly over a thousand devotees, Narayana Maharaja was awarded a the title of "yuga acharya". Last I looked, that was Srila Prabhupada's position. Now that he's disappeared from our vision, we've changed our minds? Our loyalty to Srila Prabhupada must run deeper than that. What to speak of -- who took the instructions of his spiritual master so seriously that he gave up many comforts and dredged over here to save us in the first place? Of course you know the answer - Srila Prabhupada. Since he did not name Narayana Maharaja as the next ISKCON acarya, neither should we. 

 

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UPDATE: As of my last writing I've discovered or uncovered more on the Narayana Maharaja issue. I do my best to present the facts. From my own temple even, I have seen how his disciples come here and try to steal away our devotees to move to N.M.'s or at least take initiation from him. Though more than that is going on. Vedic literatures reveals that anyone who is guru must perfectly repeat the previous acarya without changing his instructions. Yet its been showed that Narayana Maharaja has made contradictory comments to our beloved Prabhupada's. Let me clarify, in no way am I saying anything nasty or making mean comments. I will simply use their own words, showing the difference between Prabhuapada's teachings and those of Narayana Maharaja. From there, you decide for yourself. (You can look them up on your own if you want. They have been said - factually.)

 

Narayana M: "Prahlada Maharaja was a very bona fide bhakta, and he never wanted anything worldly, but he could not serve Krsna. His bhakti was mixed with jnana, knowledge of the Lord's opulence. If you have some worldly desire, or any desire, then your bhakti may be sanga-siddha bhakti or aropa sidha bhakti, but not pure transcendental bhakti." (Narayana M. Hawaii, Feb 17, 2001 

 

Prabhupada: "Consequently, instead of accepting the results of karma and jnana, Prabhlada Maharaja simply begged the Lord for engagement in the service of His servant." S.B. 5.24.25

 

Prabhupada: "Prahlada Maharaja is the topmost example of a Vaisnava." SP lecture, Mayapur, Feb 14, 76

 

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Narayana Maharaja: "Sri Advaita Acarya...He is a part of the part of the part of Krishna. Being so far away, He can preach with kirtana, but he cannot give Vraja-bhakti. Never. He is not qualified for this. Only Krishna can do this." N.M., Los Angeles, Ca May 31, 2000

 

Whereas Prabhupada teaches: (Speaking of Advaita Acarya) "He delivered all living beings by offering the gift of Krishna bhakti. He explained Bhagavad-gita and Srimad Bhagavatam in the light of devotional service." SP, CC, Adi lila 6.28

 

There is MUCH more, but for now this should suffice. Point made.

 

"So any one of my godbrothers cannot help me in this way of book writing because they are unfortunate in the matter of preaching work. They are simply trying to infiltrate our society to so something harmful by their attempt. So please do not have any correspondence with this Purusottama or any of my godbrothers, so-called."  ~ SP letter to Karaunasindhu, Bombay, Nov 9, 75

 

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"Such neophytes, unable to appreciate the exalted service of the advanced devotee, try to bring the maha-bhagavata to their platform. We experience such difficulty in propagating this Krishna consciousness all over the world. Unfortunately we are surrounded by neophyte Godbrothers who do not appreciate the extraordinary activities of spreading Krishna consciousness all over the world. They simply try to bring us to their platform, and they try to criticize us in every respect. We very much regret their naive activities and poor fund of knowledge. An empowered person who is actually engaged in the confidential service of the Lord should not be treated as an ordinary human being, for it is stated that unless one is empowered by Krishna, one cannot spread the Krishna consciousness movement all over the world.


When one thus criticizes a pure devotee, he commits an offense (vaisnava-aparadha) that is very obstructive and dangerous for those who desire to advance in Krishna consciousness. A person cannot derive any spiritual benefit when he offends the lotus feet of a Vaisnava. Everyone should therefore be very careful not to be jealous of an empowered Vaineava, or a cuddha-vaineava." ~ SP, N.O.I. , 6

 

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"So I have now issued orders that all my disciples should avoid all of my godbrothers. They should not have any dealings with them nor even correspondence, nor should they give them any of my books or should they purchase any of their books, neither should you visit any of their temples. Please avoid them." ~ Srila Prabhupada's Letter to Visvakarma, 11/9/75

 

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"Different Godbrothers took the words of Guru Maharaja in different interpretations for sense gratification and the whole mission disrupted." ~ SP letter to Tamala Krishna, Titenhurst, Oct 18, 69

 

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"For practical example I may say that one of my Godbrothers, a sannyasi, he was deputed to go to London for starting a temple, but three or four years he remained there, he could not execute the will; therefore he was called back. Now, I sent six married couples. All of them are present here. And they worked so nicely that within one year we started our London temple, and that is going on very nicely."  ~ BG 7.3 S.P. lecture, Bombay, March, 29, 71

 

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"Just like my Godbrothers. The propensity is that “ Oh, he has become greater than us, ” they are very envious. Their propensity is to become but they could not, they are therefore envious. This is materialism. There is no spiritual sense here. " SB 7.7.28, Mombassa, Sept 11, 71

 

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"So far as cooperating with my Godbrothers is concerned, that is not very urgent business. So far until now my Godbrothers have regularly not cooperated with me and by the grace of my Spiritual Master, things are still going ahead. So cooperation or non-cooperation, it is the desire of Bhaktivinode Thakura to preach the Caitanya cult all over the world and in 1875 he predicted that someone would come very soon who would individually preach this *cult all over the world. So if his benediction is there and my Guru Maharaja's blessings are there, we can go ahead without any impediment but all of us must be very sincere and serious. We have been a little inflicted by public criticism that we Godbrothers do not work together. My Guru Maharaja wanted also us to work together but some how or other it has not happened up until now. So your program of cooperating with Madhava Maharaja is not so important."  ~ SP letter to Jayapataka, Gorakhpur, Feb 23, 71 

 

*Note: For those who don't know, Prabhupada is using the word "cult" here as "culture." This has been looked into and is a fact that's how he meant it.  

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"Do not be depressed. All along my godbrothers gave me only depression, repression, compression--but I continued strong in my duty. So never mind there is some discouragement, continue with your work in full enthusiastic Krishna Consciousness attitude of service." ~ Srila Prabhupada's Letter to Gurudasa 8/29/72

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"But one thing is, all of these arrangements, whether they are going to receive us at each place or if we are just taking the place to put on our own program? From their side we should be received, not just that we simply canvass to take their place for our own program. The Gaudiya Math invitation should not be accepted." ~ SP letter to Bhavananda, Jan 20, 72

 

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SRIDHARA MAHARAJA AS SIKSA TO PRABHUPADA?

 

Often the following has been quoted to show that Srila Prabhupada approved and supported Sridhara Swami, even the acceptance of him as Prabhupada's siksa guru. Lets take a look:

 

"I can refer you to one who is most highly competent of all my god-brothers. This is B.R. Sridhara Maharaja, whom I consider to be even my siksa guru, so what to speak of the benefit that you can have from his association." ~ SP to Hrsikesa January 9, 1969, 

 

Impressive. Made me think. I found out is not the whole story. It doesn't reveal the specific situation at hand. And, its only a partial quote. We really don't know what was going on. So here it is.

 

Acutyananda and Hrisikesa had run off to Bon Maharaja's place to learn from him. They wanted to permanently camp there and be his (siksa) disciples. At this point they all ready had decided they were not going to follow Prabhupada's instructions (go to Germany). Instead they wanted to take a Siksa Guru from the Gaudiya Matha in India. Prabhupada's letter was specific to the situation and not blanket approval. It was more along the lines of "damage control" for the soul of these two disciple. Bon Maharaja had even been rejected by Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja, so Prabhupada was trying to save them by drawing them away from him. 

 

Lets look at ALL of Prabhupada's letter:

 

"I suspect that you have interest in taking instruction from some siksa guru, but in this connection, because you are my disciple and I think, a sincere soul, it is my duty to refer you to someone who is competent to act as siksa guru. This Bon Maharaja, perhaps you do not know, has been rejected by Guru Maharaja. So I cannot recommend him as siksa guru. I think that he has no actual spiritual asset. For spiritual advancement of life, we must go to one who is actually practising spiritual life; not to some head of a mundane institution, not to one who has offended his Spiritual Master in so many ways. I do not wish to go into all details here, but I must inform you that this Bon Maharaja may be considered as a black snake, and at the time of His Disappearance, my Guru Maharaja did not even wish to have him in His presence due to the character of this Bon Maharaja. So if you are actually serious to take instructions from a siksa guru, I can refer you to one who is most highly competent of all my god-brothers. This is B.R. Sridhara Maharaja, whom I consider to be even my siksa guru, so what to speak of the benefit that you can have from his association. He is living in Navadvipa, and if you like, I can give you letter of introduction as well as I will send him letter to allow you to stay there with him. So if you and Acyutananda are not lost to the poison of Bon Maharaja, and are still serious about advancement of your spiritual life, I will advise you to go to Sridhara Maharaja. Or else I do not know what will save you. So my advice to you both is that you immediately leave the unhealthy and envious association of Bon Maharaja and either proceed to Germany as I have instructed you, or at least go to someone who will be competent to act as sisksha guru. This is Sridhara Maharaja.


When I was in India, Acyutananda, Ramanuga, and myself, with others, lived with Sridhara Maharaja, so Acyutananda knows him very well. He spared a big house for us and if both of you go there now, it will be very good for your spiritual benefit.
Then I will feel that you are safe. Besides that, if you wish to live in India, you can make arrangements for this house so that other of your god-brothers may go there in the future. Just on the other side of the Ganges there is Mayapur, and you can occasionally or every week go there and learn Bengali and Sanskrit if it is your desire. All facilities are there. Sridhara Maharaja is a very good English scholar and he can talk with you very nicely in English. The room in Vrindaban where you are residing may also be kept so that it may be utilized when necessary. But so far as I am concerned, I am becoming older and older, and my life may be finished at any moment. As I have got my permanent residence in America, it is indication of Krishna that I shall live here to organize this movement to the best possible extent. If I sometimes go out of this country, I will go to Europe only and again come back. So, practically I have decided not to go to India anymore. In case I suddenly meet my death, then I shall make my will how to deal with my body later on.


So don't be carried away by whims. It is
my duty to save you. Leave Vrindaban, live peacefully with Sridhara Maharaja, if you do not wish to go to Germany, and thereby you will be spiritually enlightened. Please inform me immediately regarding what you have decided."

 

 

Enlightening? :-)

Regarding Prabhupada accepting Sridhara M. as his own siksa guru, a few simple points to consider: 

 

First, let's remember Prabhupada can be exceptionally humble! He even asked one of his American disciples to pray to Krishna for him. 

 

Secondly, while Prabhupada is referring to Sridhara M. as his siksa guru, basically any devotee who tells anyone at all about Krishna is siksa, even the Western birthed Sankirtana devotees. And no, that does not put us on any exalted platform of comparison. It's not about us, its about the definition of siksa.

 

Add to it all, a quote from another letter, often left out of the equation as if it has no influence on the above letter, but it does: 

 

"You are right about Sridhara Maharaja's genuineness. But in my opinion he is the best of the lot. He is my old friend, at least he executes the regulative principles of devotional service. I do not wish to discuss about activities of my Godbrothers but it is a fact they have no life for preaching work." ~ SP Letter to Rupunuga, 28/4/74 (Full letter directly below.)

 

Let us not forget, in addition to referring to Sridhara Maharaja as his siksa guru, he simultaneously said this same godbrother was responsible for taking apart the Gaudiya Math (reputed as a "form" breaker), as well as disobeying His Guru Maharaja and having no interest in preaching. 

 

And, the 'siksa' letter  -- for lack of a better term --  was written in 1969 before the Mayapur Festival fallout in 1972.  Not all, but many of Srila Prabhupada's godbrothers showed up for that first Mayapur festival of 72. A meeting was arranged in the bamboo cottage between Prabhupada and his Mayapur (Tirtha Maharaja's group) godbrothers. They came in a rage and Srila Prabhupada sat on the floor at equal level with them. They accused Prabhupada of starting His own movement "without Authority of the Gaudiya Math."

They stated that this is a "great offense," and that Srila Prabhupada must turn over all his disciples and world wide assets (such as vehicles and temples) to them. Then he can be forgiven for his "offenses."  Additionally, they stated that he "unauthorizedly" allows women and men to dance together, has created brahmacarini's, allows bead bags to be seen in public, gives Brahmin initiation for women, etc. 

 

Srila Prabhupada made an offer to them. He invited them to come to America with him and preach in various centers. He offered to make them like GBC and manage areas of Iskcon. They were insulted by this offer and stormed out. 

 

While they are talking in one room, a feast of all Srila Bhaktisiddhanta's favorite dishes has been prepared by *their* godbrother Ananda Prabhu, who was the personal cook for Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Maharaja. Storming out, they *step over* the banana leaves of *prasadam* containing these ecstatic preparations dedicated to the exact taste of their Guru Maharaj. The devotees who were present at the time implored them to stop and take Prasadam. They continued to storm out and not look back.

 

Some point out that not all of Prabhupada's godbrothers were present, and not all of Prabhupada's godbrother's said such things. Maybe this is true. However, even Prabhupada's friend did not speak out or verbalize: "This is wrong!" 

Finally, while Srila Prabhupada may have said that he considered a particular godbrother as a siksa guru in the sense that He may have consulted with him in some matters, we should recognize there is no evidence that Srila Prabhupada consulted or agreed with this godbrother in the most important principle in Vaisnavism, guru tattwa siddhanta. Or the second most important: developing attachment for chanting. Matter of fact, the stronger evidence reveals that Srila Prabhupada not only said His godbrother lacked qualification to be Acarya but did not obey Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Maharaja. 

 

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RELATIONSHIPS WITH GODBROTHERS VS. INSTRUCTIONS TO DISCIPLES 

 

Something we neophytes don't understand is that it's possible to still care about a friend and make comments such as the various quotes on this site by Prabhupada. 

 

I have children. If they were to hear me in a debate with an old friend, they may assume I can't stand that person. However, I know that my friend and myself are able to disagree yet still care about one another. Other times my children may hear me speak sweetly to a godsibling / friend and think I am in agreement with them, when inside I just want to avoid an argument. My example is, of course, on a much more mundane level, but the example is there that we are only spiritual children with much we can't comprehend about Srila Prabhupada's personal relationships with his godbrother / friends. 

 

Another point we could consider is..... many devotees are friends with those of other yoga paths or other religions, yet they do not hold the same spiritual belief's simply based on friendships or even kind words toward them. Sometimes a priest and rabbi may be friends, but obviously they hold different religious beliefs. Heck, even within our own Movement, most of us have friends we philosophically differ with, but we are not rude and do not toss them to the wind. At least most of us don't. :-)

 

Prabhupada was most humble and followed a particular etiquette and relation that was unique and not easy for us to understand.  We should not speculate on the relationships between Srila Prabhupada and his godbrothers, and he told us not to! However, he also told us to avoid them. Us children have a hard time learning to do that without putting them down. Since we don't want to go that route, we tend to go the other. But that is extremism. The fact is, we should not let our emotions and opinions get caught up in all of this and simply do what he has told us to do. 

 

Ours is not to analyze if the pure devotee is right or wrong and then judge; ours is to follow his  instructions. Bas.

 

 

"You are right about Sridhara Maharaja's genuineness. But in my opinion he is the best of the lot. He is my old friend, at least he executes the regulative principles of devotional service. I do not wish to discuss about activities of my Godbrothers but it is a fact they have no life for preaching work. All are satisfied with a place for residence in the name of a temple, they engage disciples to get foodstuff by transcendental devices and eat and sleep. They have no idea or brain how to broadcast the cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. My Guru Maharaja used to lament many times for this reason and he thought if one man at least had understood the principle of preaching then his mission would achieve success. In the latter days of my Guru Maharaja he was very disgusted. Actually, he left this world earlier, otherwise he would have continued to live for more years. Still he requested his disciples to form a strong Governing body for preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. He never recommended anyone to be acarya of the Gaudiya Math. But Sridhara Maharaja is responsible for disobeying this order of Guru Maharaja, and he and others who are already dead unnecessarily thought that there must be one acarya. If Guru Maharaja could have seen someone who was qualified at that time to be acarya he would have mentioned. Because on the night before he passed away he talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya. His idea was talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya. His idea was acarya was not to be nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected. So Sridhara Maharaja and his two associate gentlemen unauthorizedly selected one acarya and later it proved a failure. The result is now everyone is claiming to be acarya even though they may be kanistha adhikari with no ability to preach. In some of the camps the acarya is being changed three times a year. Therefore we may not commit the same mistake in our ISKCON camp. Actually amongst my Godbrothers no one is qualified to become acarya. So it is better not to mix with my Godbrothers very intimately because instead of inspiring our students and disciples they may sometimes pollute them. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them." ~ Srila Prabhupada's letter to Rupanuga 4/28/74

 

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Tamala Krsna: Today I was reading a very beautiful section of Caitanya-caritamrta that Krsna comes in the form of the spiritual master. And then that...
Prabhupada: Spiritual master is a revelation of Krsna.
Tamala Krsna: Yes.
Prabhupada: Guru-krsna.
Tamala Krsna: It was mentioning how the initiator spiritual master is the representative of Sri-Sri-Madana-mohana, and the instructing spiritual master is a representative of Sri-Govindadeva. Very nice explanation you gave in the purport.
Prabhupada: As far as possible, I have tried to present.
In one place I have criticized my Godbrothers.
Tamala Krsna: Last night?
Prabhupada: No, no, in
Caitanya-caritamrta.
Tamala Krsna: Oh, yeah, at the end in one line. We were... When we read that, it was actually relishable, very personal.
Prabhupada: Sridhara Maharaja is little...
Tamala Krsna: He read it?
Prabhupada: I think so.
Tamala Krsna: Did he make any comment?
Prabhupada: He cannot make any comment.
These are facts. Two parties there were. One party, to use guru as their instrument for self-aggrandizement, and another party left guru. So both of them are offenders. This Kunja Babu, this Tirtha Maharaja's party, he wanted to enjoy senses through guru. And the Bagh Bazaar party, they left.
Tamala Krsna: Vasudeva.
Prabhupada: So both of them are severe offenders.
Tamala Krsna: What about Sridhara Maharaja?
Prabhupada: Sridhara Maharaja belonged to the Bagh Bazaar party. And I was living aloof. My Guru Maharaja approved. He said, "It is better that he is aloof from them."
Tamala Krsna: He could understand that his disciples were not...
Prabhupada: No, he was very sorry. At the last stage he was disgusted.
Tamala Krsna: But that... That doesn't mean that your disciples should think also, "I will remain aloof just as our Prabhupada..."
Prabhupada: No, that I have not said. Therefore I used so strong word on the, our Surabhi's action. This was made independently. He has written. He has given photograph. That is not good.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, I took that as a good instruction to all of us, your rebuking.
Prabhupada: I told him that "
You cannot do so independent. You are doing nice, but not to do in the... You admit." People complained against Hamsaduta. Did you know that?
Tamala Krsna: I'm not sure of the particular incidences, but I've heard general...
Prabhupada: In Germany. In Germany.
Tamala Krsna: The devotees there.
Prabhupada: So many complaints.
Tamala Krsna: Therefore change is good.
Prabhupada: No, you become guru,
but you must be qualified first of all. Then you become.
Tamala Krsna: Oh, that kind of complaint was there.
Prabhupada: Did you know that?
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, I heard that, yeah.
Prabhupada:
What is the use of producing some rascal guru?
Tamala Krsna: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it's clear fact that we are all conditioned souls, so we cannot be guru. Maybe one day it may be possible...
Prabhupada: Hm.
Tamala Krsna: ...but not now.
Prabhupada: Yes.
I shall choose some guru. I shall say, "Now you become acarya. You become authorized." I am waiting for that. You become all acarya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete.
Tamala Krsna: The process of purification must be there.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes, must be there. Caitanya Mahaprabhu wants that. Amara ajnaya guru hana. "You become guru." (laughs)
But be qualified. Little thing, strictly follower...
Tamala Krsna: Not rubber stamp.
Prabhupada: Then you'll not be effective. You can cheat, but it will not be effective. Just see our Gaudiya Matha. Everyone wanted to become guru, and a small temple and "guru." What kind of guru? No publication, no preaching, simply bring some foodstuff... My Guru Maharaja used to say, "Joint mess," a place for eating and sleeping. Amar amar ara takana (?)(Bengali): "Joint mess." He said this.
Tamala Krsna: That word "mess," by that word he meant eating, messing, eating?
Prabhupada: Yes. Messing, there is a system. Some clerks, they make a small cooperative hotel. In India there are many.
Tamala Krsna: That I see in South India sometimes... In dharm... I mean, in places like hotels I see.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: Men who work, they all come...
Prabhupada: Cooperative effort.
Tamala Krsna: So he called that a joint mess, and he said that some of the disciples were doing that.
Prabhupada: He knew that. What is the use? Tirtha Maharaja's defense was that. "These people..." They were fighting with Tirtha Maharaja in the court that "Tirtha Maharaja was not good." Tirtha Maharaja's only defense was "All right, you want to combine to make a guru. All right, why don't you combine yourself for preaching?"
Tamala Krsna: What was his defense?
Prabhupada: That "You want to work jointly, so why you do not work jointly? You are jointly working to harass me. Why not preach jointly?"
Tamala Krsna: What was their reply?
Prabhupada: No reply.
Tamala Krsna: So it was a good defense.
Prabhupada: Yes. "You have joined together to defeat me. Why don't you preach jointly? What do you want? That I shall also join and we shall jointly preach. Do this. You are divided amongst yourselves, and you have joined together to defeat me."
Sridhara Maharaja is the leader.
Tamala Krsna: Of that group.
Prabhupada:
Madhava Maharaja also
Tamala Krsna: Madhava Maharaja is.
Prabhupada: For the last forty years they're fighting in the courts. They indirectly wanted me also to join them. "He has got money. If he joins, then our monetary, financial help will be there." That is their...
Tamala Krsna: Sridhara Maharaja. I remember a letter they wrote you in Los Angeles in 1969. You replied them, "Yes, I will join, but since I have preached in eleven-twelfths of the world, eleven of my men will be representatives, and you can put one."
Prabhupada: (laughing) Yes. Yes, according to the area, my representatives are there.
Tamala Krsna: Now there should be all twelve. (Prabhupada laughs)
Prabhupada: Another Godbrother, he asked me fifty thousand rupees to maintain his temple.
Tamala Krsna: How much?
Prabhupada: Fifty thousand. So I said,
"Yes, I can give you fifty thousand, but this is mleccha money. You'll be polluted. Best thing is that give. We can maintain. I'll immediately deposit fifty thousand." He has stopped. (laughs) "We are mlecchas. I am the leader of the mlecchas, so my money will pollute you. But if you are feeling difficulty, you hand over the temple to us, and on condition I immediately deposit fifty thousand in the name of the temple."
Tamala Krsna: Then he was not interested. Suddenly his problems were solved. He didn't take the money.
Prabhupada: Money is not mleccha. But when we offer to eat something, we are mleccha."  ~ SP Room Conversation, April 22, 19
77, Bombay

 

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Prabhupada: Vandavana, yes. That “Bhaktivedanta Swami speaks as strongly as Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvate was speaking. ” You know that?
Ksirodaksaya: Oh, yes. I met so many times. I understand also.
Prabhupada: He said that.
Jayatertha: Very nice compliment.
Ksirodaksaya: He also said that “Srila Prabhupada is
only one who has really taken the, his mission seriously. ”
Prabhupada: That is a fact. Of course, I do not say myself. That will not look good, but there is other... They, all my Godbrothers,
realize it. “But he is only representative. ” Somebody, they frankly admit, and somebody do not.
Ksirodaksaya: I met... Some they are starting coming here to see how the things are. (laughs) "  ~ SP Converstation at house of Ksirodaksi das, London, July 25, 76

 

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Tamala Kanea: No one helped you. That's a fact. You asked that...
Prabhupada: Who?
Tamala Kanea:... Tirtha Maharaja for some help, he did not help at all. He would not even give a little place.
Prabhupada:
Nobody. Everyone admits." ~ SP Room Conversations, June 17, 77, Vrindavana India

 

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Prabhupada: That was the policy of Madhava Maharaja and Sridhara Maharaja, that "Although Bhaktivedanta Swami is propagating throughout, he is subordinate to us, under our instruction." So all these three..."  ~ SP Room Conversation, January 19, 1976, Mayapur

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"Krsna sakti vina nahe krsna name pracara: 'Without Krsna's special power of attorney, nobody can preach His name.' Caitanya-caritamrta. So these rascals, Godbrothers, they are envious that... What he has written? Bon Maharaja. Just see what kind of men they are. They are not even ordinary human being. They are envious of me, and what to speak of make a judgment by estimation? They're envious. Enviousness is immediately disqualification of Vaisnava, immediate. He is not a human being. Paramo nirmatsaranam satam. This Bhagavatam is meant for the person who is completely not envious. That is the beginning. Why a Vaisnava should be envious for anyone? Everyone is working according to his karma. He is trying to rectify him, that 'Be out of these clutches of karma. You come to bhakti.' Why he should be envious? Vancha-kalpatarubhyas ca krpa-sindhubhya eva ca. A Vaisnava should be like ocean of mercy to reclaim the fallen souls. That is Vaisnava's qualification. So Vaisnava should be envious? Just see. So these persons, they are not even human being, what to speak of Vaisnava. Vaisnava cannot be envious. Vaisnava should be: 'Oh, my Lord's name is being broadcast. He is getting, giving so much service to make Krsna known.' That man has appreciated, that 'All these spiritual leaders, they are deriding. You are the only man... You are... It enthuses us, give us more encouragement, that you are keeping intact, love of Krsna.' This is an appreciation. Why he should be envious? He should be, rather, very much enthused that 'This single man is keeping Krsna all over the world.' And everyone is deriding. Even Gandhi is killing Krsna. Dr. Radhakrishnan is killing. Their only business is to kill Krsna. He is also doing that, our, this Bon Maharaja. He never speaks of Krsna. His rascal, that Institute of Indian Philosophy, nobody goes to [pass] urine there. We see practically. And our temple is always filled up, five hundred men. And he is trying for the last forty years. He is simply planning: 'This will be playground. This will be this ground. This will be this ground.' And it is becoming jungle. Still, he is so envious, black snake. So one circular letter should be issued to all our center, that 'Any Bon Maharaja or anyone, his representative, should not be received.' They are envious. Yes. Quoting that. We have got several complaints like that. Satsvarupa also complained. Sometimes our order was cancelled by Bon Maharaja's propaganda."  ~ Srila Prabhupada's Room Conversation with a Reporter in Johannesburg 10/16/75

 

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MORE HISTORY

 

Sridhara Maharaja, Professor Sannyal, Madhava Maharaja and a few others decided to make Ananta Vasudeva the acharya, against the orders of Srila Sarasvati to make a GBC. Ananta Vasudeva did not even want to be the acharya but Prabhupada tells that "they insisted on it." 

 

A short while later he began to fail, so Bhakti Vilas Tirtha Maharaja decided he would make just as good of an acharya. Therefore he took control of some of the buildings and started a lawsuit to take the post of acharya away from Vasudeva and take the assets of the math. At the same time other Gaudiya Matha people suspected Tirtha of foul play.

This turned into a major 40 years court battle. And then a whole bunch of other people thought they too should be acharyas. Prabhupada informs us "another man comes, then another and another."  The sum and substance is that Prabhupada instructed, "amongst my God brothers *no one*is qualified to be acharya ... and it is thus better *not to mix* with them since they may disturb *our* natural progress." 

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CONVERSATION (You can look it up in the folio, etc, yourself for verification, as you can with any quotes on this site.)

 

"Hari-sauri: That's the thing. In the West, even though the opulence is there, the children can see the parents are not happy. The parents are always full of anxiety. So even though the parents want the children to stay at home, the children they resent that, because they can see that "You have nothing to offer. It's just a facade."
Pusta Krsna: They don't want to become like their parents. They don't see that their parents are a desirable example to follow.
Prabhupada: Yes. Wine and sex. They see from childhood. One boy, Rancor, so his father and mother divorced and he was young child. He was the first child of his mother. And the mother, he said, would daily bring a new friend. So he could understand.
Pusta Krsna: A new woman.
Prabhupada: Not new woman, his mother, he was under the care of mother.
Pusta Krsna: Oh, mother had new husbands, new boyfriends.
Prabhupada: Daily night. And he was shocked. One of my Gaudiya Matha Godbrothers, big, he became the head of this Bhag Bazaar Gaudiya Matha. So his wife was debauched, and she was bringing new paramour, and the child protested.
Pusta Krsna: New?
Prabhupada: Paramour. And the boy, he was ten years or twelve years old, he could understand: "Who is this man?" So he protested and said, "I shall tell all these things to my father." And he was killed.
Pusta Krsna: The boy was killed?
Prabhupada: By the mother.
Hari-sauri:
She murdered him?
Prabhupada: Yes. Killed means given poison. And the father, that is, my Godbrother, seeing this, he also took poison. This is the end of Gaudiya Matha scandal. He was also one of the trustees. This Tirtha Maharaja was a trustee, and another Godbrother and this man. In the beginning, they were made trustees. In the beginning, Prabhupada was to undergo surgical operation. So he was a little nervous, that "I may die."
So he made a scrap paper, that "In case I die, these three disciples will be trustees of the Gaudiya Matha Institute." That's all. So this Kunja Babu kept this. There are many long histories. So one of the so-called trustees was this Vasudeva. So he died, his end was like this.
Pusta Krsna: His son was killed, isn't it?
Prabhupada: His wife was a regular prostitute, and she killed her child, and on this shock, he took poison and died.
Pusta Krsna: He killed himself, oh.
Prabhupada: Naturally, he became shocked, that "This is my family life--the wife is prostitute and son is killed. What is the value of my life?" This was his spiritual realization. Just see. (laughs) And he was made the chief, and one of the supporter was Sridhara Maharaja.
Pusta Krsna: Vasudeva Sridhara?
Prabhupada: No, no. He was made chief. Guru Maharaja did not make him chief. But after his passing away, some of our Godbrothers
voted him chief.
Pusta Krsna: Am I mis...? You had told me once, I'm not certain. Maybe I made a mistake. You said that Vasudeva, it was known fact that he was homosex?
Prabhupada:
Yes.
Pusta Krsna: Vasudeva.
Prabhupada: He was
homosex and sex, everything." ~ Srila Prabupada, Morning Walk, June 18, 1976, Toronto

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"Prabhupada:... that if we remain rascals, then that Gaurasundara's example will be followed. One day you'll again become crazy and close up everything and smoke. That's all. My Guru Maharaja used to say, praea arthe yaira sei hetu pracara. “ One who has got life, he can preach. ” The dead man cannot preach. So you become with life, not like dead man. Without life... Just like all my godbrothers. They are dead men. And therefore they are envious of my activities. They have no life. If you want to make easy-going life, showing the Deity and then sleep, then it is a failure movement."  ~ SP Morning Walk, Marine del Rey, July 13, 74, LA, Ca.

 

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"Why is there this politics? This is not good. If politics come, then the preaching will be stopped. That is the difficulty. As soon as politics come, everything is spoiled. In the Gaudiya Math the politics is still going on. My Guru Maharaja left in 1936, and now it is 1976, so after 40 years the litigation is still going on. Do not come to this."  ~ Srila Prabhupada's Letter to Gurukrpa, 9/30/75

 

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"Regarding the 92 section case against the Gaudiya Math, I don't think there is any possibility of compromise. Both the Bhagbazar Party [Sridhar Maharaja's group] and Mayapur party [Tirtha Maharaja's group] have unlawfully usurped the missionary institution of Srila Prabhupada, and whenever they will talk of a compromise, it means another complication." Srila Prabhupada's Letter to Narayana Maharaja 9/30/69

 

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"In India some of the important members they have collected huge amounts in the name of the Society and spent it luxuriously. I wanted you all my experienced disciples should manage the whole institution very cleverly without any personal ambition like ordinary materialistic men. The Gaudiya Math institution has become smashed, at least stopped its program of preaching work on account of personal ambitions."  ~ Srila Prabhupada's Letter to Karandhara 10/8/74

 

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"My other godbrothers they are concerned with litigations, politics, and diplomacy, so what is the pracara? As far as I am concerned I have the blessings of my guru maharaj. I do not need anything else. That is how I went to your country, just to try to carry out his order. By his blessings it has come out successful."  ~ Srila Prabhupada's Letter to Subala 10/15/74  

 

 


 

PRABHUPADA'S TEACHINGS DIFFER FROM GAUDIYA MATH

 

Many followers and initiates of Gaudiya Math gurus claim they are following the same teachings of Srila Prabhupada. It's time to admit they are not. 

 

From criticism of Prabhupada as if he did not present the highest, that he did not give enough information about "Rasa Lila," that he was a businessman, or that his teachings are in various ways, incomplete -- the differences in philosophy are significant. To continue, Prabhupada taught we were originally with Krishna but fell down whereas various Gaudiya Math guru's teach we were only part of the Brahmajyoti, a unit. Some GM guru's preach that the spiritual master does not take very much karma of the disciple on his head, whereas Prabhupada points out it is a grave responsibility to be guru and that he does indeed take on large amount of the disciples karma. As well as some GM guru's teach one to assume the rasa of a gopi whereas Prabhupada teaches us not to think about such things and just worship in awe and reverence, then any relationship we have with the Lord will be self manifest at the right time and after sufficient purification. And this is the short list. 

 

Srila Prabhupada instructed no sex without chanting 50 rounds and for the purpose of ‘trying’ to get pregnant. etc. yet I know many GM who preach to have sex with spouse anytime but don’t mention much about pregnancy. Prabhupada was VERY strict that initiated disciples follow all four of the regulative principles. Some GM guru's, though supportive of the idea, tend to preach you can follow them if you want to, but don't have to.  One may argue some ISKCON devotees fall down in such ways. The difference is, it's clearly viewed as a fall down - not something acceptable and Prabhupada was 'strictly' against it. Yoga means sense control, so how do we expect to achieve the highest yoga if we can't give up bodily attachments to the highest pleasure in the material world (sex life). If one can't do it that is a different topic, but lets not pretend we are all following the same process.

 

The differences are vast. Prabhupada's teachings are not, NOT, the same as those who are initiates or even followers of the various branches of the Gaudiya Math. They should stop claiming they are also followers of Prabhupada. How can that be when they believe contradictory to his teachings? This is not to suggest any anger need be involved. No. Simply truth.

 

It is up to each individual to study Prabhupada's books and decide for themselves. But without study how will anyone know? Then we will merely jump on the popularity train. Therefore we must become ambitious and make a serious study.

 

What comes to mind are things like: they laughed at us as hippies and now we accept them as guru, or that Prabhupada felt so very strongly about them yet we do not consider his feelings and again,  we take initiation from them. Or that Prabhupada was willing to come pick us up - even it cost him two heart attacks to travel and get us (and if you haven't experienced some type of severe pain you may not be able to relate to how painful that truly is), whereas his godbrothers had no interest in making such a trip in a mlecca country that Prabhupada had not  first 'broken in' like a pair of shoes, etc. What to speak of the many things they did to him -- some described here on this web page, some not (that would require a book). Or the mere fact that Prabhupada states more than once they are not following the instruction of their/his spiritual master. I humbly implore anyone who has been considering various Gaudiya Math gurus and their literature to any degree to please reconsider the only one who most deeply considered them, our beloved Srila Prabhupada. 

 

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"Regarding the Gaudiya Math books being circulated there, who is distributing? Who is sending these books? The Gaudiya Math does not sell our books, why we should sell their books. Who has introduced these books? Let me know. These books should not at all be circulated in our Society. Bhakti Vilas Tirtha is very much antagonistic to our society and he has no clear conception of devotional service. He is contaminated. Anyway, who has introduced these books? You say that you would read only one book if that was all that I had written, so you teach others to do like that. You have very good determination." ~ S.P. letter to Sukadeva, New Delhi, Nov 14, 73

 

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Prabhupada: Let us not be discouraged. Let us go on with our studies, activities, Krsna consciousness.
Bhagavan: Seeing their foolishness makes one more convinced; it does not discourage.
Prabhupada: Yes. This failure was assured ten years ago by me.
Jayatirtha: Yes, you predicted it.
Prabhupada: Yes, but still, I am saying, "This will be all failure." And still, they are hopeful. My Guru Maharaja is very pleased. As soon as a book comes out, he is pleased.
Jayatirtha: Especially one so beautiful.
Prabhupada: He was lamenting that "These men, they did not make, publish any number of books. They are simply after this stone and bricks." He condemned. He was very, very sorry. So I thought that I must take a risk. And he's pleased.
Bhagavan: So now you have books and temples.
Prabhupada: Yes, temple is automatically.
Jayatirtha: Without fighting, you've got so many temples.
Prabhupada: No, I never stressed on temple. I was engaged in publishing the Back to Godhead. Whatever I could do, I did it because I took it very seriously that he is very sorry that these things were not done. He said that "There will be fire in this Gaudiya Math." Agun jvalbe, he said. Amari taci loka kichui boi kakrayebo (?):
"If I can, I shall sell these marbles of this temple and convert them into books." That was his ambition. He started a very nice press and this Tirtha Maharaja sold it.
Jayatirtha: Sold it?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Bhagavan: The press.
Prabhupada: He's not representing Guru.... "Better let's have money for fight in the court."
Jayatirtha: Sometimes I'm sorry that my name also has this word in it.
Prabhupada: You are Jaya-tirtha. You are victorious. Now whatever is being done, it is by his blessing. Let us work sincerely. Things will be all.... Otherwise it is humanly impossible. It is by his grace.
Jayatirtha: George was also commenting on that, how one man could have written so many books.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Jayatirtha: He could not even read them all, what to speak of writing them all.
Prabhupada:

mukam karoti vacalam
pangum langhayate girim
yat-krpa tam aham vande
sri-gurum dina-taranam

Mukam karoti vacalam: "A dumb is a great orator." Mukam karoti vacalam. Pangum langhayate girim: "The lame man, lame man is jumping over the mountain." Mukam karoti vacalam pangum langhayate girim. Yat-krpa: "By the mercy of guru it is possible." So let us cooperate and do this business. Higher authority will be pleased, and that is our success. Yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasadah. If the higher authorities are pleased, then Krsna is pleased. That is our success." SP Room Conversation, July 26, 1976, London

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"Disturbance is caused by ignorance; where there is no ignorance, there is no disturbance. The four Sannyasis may bark, but still the caravan will pass. There is every evidence that they are influenced by some of my fourth-class Godbrothers." Srila Prabhupada's letter to Hayagriva 9/14/70

 

 

THE CHEATERS & THE CHEATED

 

When I first became a devotee, this is one important point I would hear: That nondevotees were either cheaters or being cheated, with many actually desiring to be cheated! That concept stuck with me. 

 

What has surprised me over the years is when some would point out even devotees desire to be cheated. Ok, maybe on a small basis, since we are not perfect or pure yet. But they said no, this was not what they meant. So what did they mean? You guessed it, but be polite and let me say it anyway. :) Or maybe it's not "exactly" what you're thinking.


Soooooooooo.......... Being a true follower of Srila Prabhupada is actually very demanding and such a heavy responsibility these days, one that most of us shy away from it anymore. 

 

Some still take risks and sacrifice a lot, and often pay a high price for telling it as it is.

 

Some of us feel too absorbed in the struggles of material  maintenance, like myself. 

 

And some fall prey to the lure of an easy, less demanding, instantly gratifying, spiritual romp such as  those who go to Narayana Maharaja and Sridhara Maharaja, to name just a couple (Gaudiya Math).  Fact is, most of us have fallen from the high standards set by Srila Prabhupada, but at least let us be honest within. This too is part of the problem. 

 

Often we want to hold onto various forms of sense gratification which Srila Prabhupada would never allow, be it the more obvious form of sex within marriage (it's not illicit but won't free one from material bondage), to intoxication (some like to smoke "just a little" weed or drink just "one" beer, telling themselves its ok, or it's the "ashrama" they are in, etc). The list of things we tell ourselves are acceptable for the "initiate" is quite long. In that way we can hold onto our anarthas yet believe we simultaneously go back to Godhead. 

 

Inner honesty can be rough. It includes admitting we don't have a ticket back to Godhead in such ways, that we still have to do the work, have to give up these various material attachments to sense pleasures, follow all four of the regulative principles very strictly, and chant 16 rounds minimum each day. 

 

In addition, one is to follow the rule that sex life is only to bring Krishna conscious children into the word, and then 50 rounds coupled with prime time for conception - not to avoid conception. If one can't do it, that's another topic, one I don't have room for here. 

 

Or some artificially follow, therefore sexual frustrations arise which results in mistreatment of women and therefore children, though also another topic. Briefly: That is NOT following - that is CHEATING.

 

To continue, it is also important to rise early each morning and be part of the Morning Program either at the temple or at home (including reading). Then of course to share Krishna with others and to think of Him as often as possible, always. 

 

It's a lot to do and maintain! 

 

Many devotees aren't meeting up to this standard. Yet I would rather associate with the devotee who is not doing so but honestly admits their fallen condition coupled with acknowledgement they should indeed be following such things (not rationalizing it away via their guru), rather than those who present themselves as first class but can't make it to Mongala Aroti without their cup of coffee each morning. 

 

I also believe many devotees aren't meeting up to this standard for some of the very reasons mentioned here on this web site. That is, we have lost touch with Prabhupada's instructions. We've watered them down, we've changed them, we've tolerated for the sake of peace.  (Ever hear of selfish peace?). 

 

In the beginning of the movement we see the oldest of devotees, when young, had no problem renouncing even the highest material pleasure. How was it that such young folk at the prime time of life when everyone's senses are pushing the strongest, could give up sex desire? The fact is, when we are experiencing spiritual energy, it's simple to let go of material pleasures because they have been replaced with higher, spiritual pleasures. Whereas when there is a lack of spiritual energy to be found, we can't gain such an experience, what to speak of even begin to dream we could give up these things. Yet we see it was achieved by many devotees repeatedly when Prabhupada was on the planet. To clarify -- I am not speaking of false renunciation and pretenders here. When we are sincere, we get sincere results. 

 

Anyhow, a connection to an empowered guru coupled with a good support system (or those who don't block Prabhupada's instructions) is all that's needed to overcome material temptations. It's something anyone can achieve no matter how fallen they may view themselves. Matter of fact, "I'm too fallen" can be used an excuse to give up trying. Remember, Prabhupada rescued many from some of the most fallen conditions of life. All anyone needs to do is to genuinely desire a connection with him; then act on it of course. 

 

In the cases of some of the newer initiates who have turned to various branches of the Gaudiya Math for a guru, I feel for you. I realize it's hard to accept that the initiation was not authorized by Srila Prabhupada and therefore does not bring the same guarantee one gets via Prabhupada. However, the only way out, is through. When His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada clearly states that none of his godbrothers are qualified to be guru, it would only be fooling ourselves to think otherwise. So additionally, the only way forward is truth. 

 

Yet, some will still prefer to "believe" their Gaudiya Math guru will automatically bring them back Home, even though they (the disciple) may not follow all four of the regulative principles, may continue to engage in pleasures with their spouse, may believe it's ok to smoke once in a while, etc., etc. What can be done? One can lead a horse to water, but whether they drink or not is up to them.

 

There is also a common misunderstanding that by following the instructions of Prabhupada that we believe there is no one else on the planet who is a pure Vaisnava or can link one up to Krishna. Let's clear that up. I believe there can be groups other than Prabhupada's ISKCON consisting of pure devotees and pure devotion. I also believe there are other pure devotees in general, be it in India or other locations of various Vaisnava temples. However, with our material senses and limited understanding of shastra, we can easily be mislead. To think we can judge who is a pure devotee and who is not better than Prabhupada could, is a loss of humility and great illusion.  Or that we understand his books better then he did and can therefore use his own quote to override his DIRECT instruction to us, is again a loss of humility. Without him we would be lost! Therefore, try to understand -- this is not about any other group or individual, but the direct instruction of the founder acarya of our movement who cared enough to travel here and pick us up. Who knows what is best for 'us' better than him?! 

 

What to speak of the fact that most who are initiated by GM usually have never had had brahminical training, or training in Vaisnava etiquette either. Or never lived in an ashrama and don't know what it's like to live with a group of people and *have* to give up their false ego. 

 

Not that temple training is always required. I have seen some train themselves wonderfully on their own. Unfortunately I have seen far more do horribly without it, often due to not knowing the training process -- thus making offenses. Some behaving as know-it-all's, because in comparison to their previous lifestyle their knowledge has vastly increased, therefore they don't realize the older devotees know even more, thus becoming bossy or rude to these senior devotees. This disrespect is often the result of insufficient training. However, I certainly am not here to tell you what to do. Don't listen to me; listen to Prabhupada. Do the research, double check anything here on this site; discover for yourself. If you do honest research, my bet is you will understand what I am trying to convey here. If you disagree, at least you gave it some genuine consideration, to which I will respect. 

 

I have read many justifications, rationalizations, as well as received letters from GM disciples to try to counteract or play down Prabhupada’s words (from the folio) on this site. For example, stories of Srila Prabhupada’s friendship and lovely interactions with various godbrothers. They are sweet, I never doubted that. But they should not be confused as an instruction. His relationship with his godbrothers is none of our business. His affection for any of them should not be misunderstood as approval or qualification of their guruship. Friendship = friendship, it does not = guruship.

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Another misconception is that kind words spoken by Prabhupada about various godbrothers cancels out the negative comments (or what appears negative to our mundane interpretations) and the instructions he gave. His nice comments are indeed nice, and those which are true (validated) are not to be denied. However, kind words do not cancel instructions, and he clearly instructed to avoid ALL of his godbrothers. Nothing wishy-washy about that. He made it very clear.

 

It's time we stop thinking about the relationship Prabhupada had with this or that godbrothers: what it means, how to translate it, if they were friends then it must mean yada yada, if they shared an asana it must mean blah blah, if he said 'this' to one of them it must mean 'that.' --  Merely our speculations. Prabhupada said he did not want us thinking about this in the first place. We need to stop getting into his private affairs and instead start to pay attention to Prabhupada’s INSTRUCTIONS to US.

 

One rationalization that I find the most painful are devotees who try to minimize Prabhupada’s instructions as old fashioned, antiquish, even quaint, or no longer as important -- since they were given so long ago. The belief that an instruction is “too old,” or 'no longer' valid, is not only contradictory to our "ancient" tradition of parampara (unbroken pure lineage reaching back through all times), but it's also a way to water them down so we don't have to follow as strictly, thus can artificially elevate or justify ourselves.

 

So here we have some devotees who have taken to the philosophy that Prabhupada teachings applied only to those times, and not modern times of difficulties. Really? He arrived during the 60s, a time of immense drugs, illicit sex, and the corporate world was dog-eat-dog. He was not blind but fully realized, and fully aware what was going on around him. There is a misunderstanding that a transcendental personality knows much about Krishna but not about the world. On the contrary, that is not fact. Now, such a definition may apply to a spiritual 'person,' but not to a "pure" devotee. And we see Prabhupada dealt regularly with various real life problems of the devotees as well as gave factual answers. It was us, the regular devotee, who often responded to problems with a "Just be Krishna conscious prabhu," as an excuse to put our irresponsible heads in the sand and blame it on God. Prabhupada on the other hand, gave realistic and practical solutions. Let's be careful we don't project our weakness as his.

 

Even from the perspective that his instructions may not fit in with modern day society, how highly we must think of ourselves if we believe our problems and situations are so special that Prabhupada’s instructions are not good enough for us, that the times have changed and now we have to override some of them? Or that the great sages of the past who spoke the Bhagavatam for example, only believed their instructions (which Prabhupada repeated) were valid for a generation or so down the road, but would no longer apply to folks during various points of kali-yuga and would require updating and modification, as if ‘transcendental’ knowledge changes. On the contrary, that is a definition of material knowledge. Such transcendental instructions remain perfect just the way they are. We may not fully understand them (yet), but they themselves are perfect. As are Prabhupada’s instructions - transcendental and untouchable by time.  What worked then, works now. 

 

Prabhupada’s instructions never, ever will need modification; they are all ready open minded enough. Do not think they are limiting, oppressive, artificial, or close minded. In which case, you need to read more. :) If we feel we have the right to change them, then where is real religion? Where is the principle of Absolute Knowledge that a guru must have? We can change it as we go along? Bogus. In that case it becomes a man-made religion. If one has insufficient faith or insufficient understanding, that is another topic, but they should own it, study Prabhupada’s books more, and take it from there. Let us stop claiming the instructions Prabhupada gave about his godbrothers, or on any topic, no longer applies. Otherwise we are merely trying to mold his teachings to please ourselves. They should not be touched by human hands.

 

The point is, let us stop cheating ourselves; let us stop making false claims that the Gaudiya Math standards and teachings are the same as Prabhupada's original ISKCON's. Let us discontinue claims that we can avoid the strict, various prerequisites for spiritual life set down by Prabhupada yet are still following him and still be guaranteed we'll go back to Godhead. Let us stop pretending it's ok to accept initiation but not work hard to achieve the goal of returning to the Spiritual Sky. Let's not become the cheated -- at least let's own our differences. I have no problem with the Gaudiya Math starting their own groups or temples. Simply, they can't have Prabhupada's. 

 

Nor should those who attend his temples be taken aside by GM advocates to convert them. By all means, go out and preach as we have had to do, as Prabhupada did, and draw from the material world filled with suffering souls the GM converts from there. Save them, as Prabhupada has all ready saved us.  If GM must steal people from Prabhupada's temples, what does that say about the potency of Gaudiya Math? Instead, take those who know nothing of Krishna. Pick up a book bag and go out and preach to the nondevotee. Sankirtana ki jai! :-)

 

 


"So far personal association with the Guru is concerned, I was only with my Guru Maharaja four or five times, but I have never left his association, not even for a moment. Because I am following his instructions, I have never felt any separation. There are some of my Godbrothers here in India who had constant personal association with Guru Maharaja, but who are neglecting his orders. This is just like the bug who is sitting on the lap of the king. He may be very puffed-up by his position, but all he can succeed in doing is biting the king. Personal association is not so important as association through service." SP letter to Satadhanya, Feb 20, 72, Calcutta

 

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Prabhupada: Yes. This is the order. Guru-mukha-padma-vakya, cittete koriya aikya. Now citta means consciousness or heart. “ I shall do this only, bas. My Guru Maharaja told me; I shall do this. ” Cittete koriya aikya, ar na koriho mane aca. So it is not my pride, but I can say, for your instruction, I did it. Therefore whatever little success you see than my all my Godbrothers, it is due to this. I have no capacity, but I took it, the words of my guru, as life and soul. So this is fact. Guru-mukha-padma-vakya, cittete koriya aikya. Everyone should do that. But if he makes addition, alteration, then he is finished. No addition, alteration. You have to approach guru-guru means the faithful servant of God, Krishna-and take his word how to serve Him. Then you are successful. If you concoct, “ I am very intelligent than my guru, and I can make addition or alteration,” then you are finished. So that is the only."  ~ S.B. 6.1.26, Phily, Pa, July 12, 75

 

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"We have to become Visnudutas. Our preachers are Visnudutas, just to give protection to any person who is slightly inclined to worship the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is pancaratra-vidhi. We shall give all help, all assistance, to such persons. That is our business. It is not sleeping business, it is not lazying business. We should be always active. We shall always make plan, think how to protect this miserable condition of the material... They cannot understand. They are fools. They are rascals. So you have to give them knowledge. You have to give them help. That is missionary activity. Missionary activity is not laziness or sleeping. My Guru Maharaja used to say that prana ache yara sei hetu pracara, that "I have got some dozens of disciples, and I have got a temple, and people are contributing. Now I have got good arrangement for eating and sleeping. Now I am perfect. Because I am getting some food without any work, and honor, then I am perfect." This is not the mentality. Prana ache yara. You must be engaged continually for these missionary activity. The Gaudiya Mission has failed in preaching work because they adopted this principle. As soon as they got a little shelter under the name of Matha, or temple, and a few dozen of..., not few dozen, one dozen, then he is settled up there. Now he is bhajana, "Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna," showing that he is very great chanter. And what is your preaching? Lord Caitanya ordered you prthivite ache yata nagaradi. Why don't you go? How you are Indian?

Therefore
my Guru Maharaja condemned this policy. Mana tumi kisera vaisnava: "What kind of Vaisnava you are?" Pratisthara tare nirjanera ghare: "And simply for cheap popularity, 'Oh, he is a Vaisnava. He is chanting. All right.'" Pratisthara tare nirjanera ghare tava hari..., nirjanera ghare. No botheration, because if there is no preaching, there is no botheration. You can sit down and show people, "I have now become a very liberated soul," and chant and meditate. That means sleeping. This sort of business is condemned by my Guru Maharaja. Pratisthara tare nirjanera ghare tava harinama kevala. This is simply cheating. He did not approve this kind of business not approve this kind of business. He did not approve. He wanted to see that everyone is engaged in preaching work, some sort of preaching work, either indoor or outdoor. When you are indoor you have to be busy writing articles for a magazine and proofread and so many things indoors. And outdoors you have to go door to door, make them members, make them interested in this movement, collect money for expenses, outdoor. Preaching, you have to meet opposing elements. So many will criticize, so many will attack. Nityananda Prabhu was hurt personally, but still, outdoor. This is missionary work, not that "Whenever I find some opportunity, go to some solitary place and sleep." This is not missionary life.

So we should adjust things, not that "All right, it is going on. That's all." You have got very responsible business, this Krsna consciousness. It is genuine, it is authorized, and Lord Caitanya wants us to do it all over the world. The things should be adjusted and keep us always alive to our self responsibility. That is missionary life, not to give away." ~ Srila Prabhupada lecture, Srimad-Bhagavatam  6.3.18, Gorakhpur, 2/11/71

 

 

CLARIFICATION and CONCLUSION

 

I'd like to clarify an important point. The quotes on this web page are not to be misused by us fallen souls to name-call, criticize, point fingers, etc., at Srila Prabhupada's godbrothers. Prabhupada can say whatever he wants about them - we may not! 

 

However, that too is not to be misused to open the door to go the other extreme, as if it's ok to join the Gaudiya Math, be back seat supporters, or minimize any problems they may still present to Srila Prabhupada (ISKCON) from time to time. In such cases we may have to quote Prabhupada, but we may not evaluate his godbrothers for ourselves. Prabhupada has told us we should respect them. His very next sentence was that we should never have any intimate connection with them, as well as other statements that makes it clear he wanted us to to stay away from 'all' his godbrothers. 

 

Which brings me to the next point. Some followers of Gaudiya Math have expressed Prabhupada differentiated between his godbrothers, thereby making some acceptable to him and by him. While certainly it's not "all one" and Prabhupada made such distinctions, it should not be taken to the extreme as an excuse to get initiated by them. He can't go through every name, nor should he have to explain himself or his reasons to us for each and every godbrother. We need to take note that Prabhupada very specifically instructed that we avoid "all" of his godbrothers.

 

I understand the frustration some experiencing when trying to get the point across that it is indeed going against Prabhupada's instructions by accepting a Gaudiya Math guru. Simultaneously we need to control our anger about such issues, learn to find a balance, and just follow what Prabhupada told us to follow on this matter. We don't have to insult in order to accomplish that. Our duty is simply to maintain Prabhupada's movement as "Prabhupada's." 

 

 

To All Readers ~ Since Prabhupada is my spiritual Father, than his godbrothers would be my Uncles. I offer all respects to my spiritual Uncles (truly), and will always maintain the instructions of my spiritual Father, who picked me up out of the darkness of ignorance and gave me light: Krishna. Where there is Godhead, there is no nescience. Thank you Srila Prabhupada!  ~ YS, Prtha devi dasi 

 

"So I have now issued orders that all my disciples should avoid all of my godbrothers. They should not have any dealings with them nor even correspondence, nor should they give them any of my books or should they purchase any of their books, neither should you visit any of their temples. Please avoid them."  --- SP Letter to Visvakarma, 11/9/75 

 

Now that we know, let us all follow the very clear and specific instructions of Srila Prabhupada, ki jai! 

 

 

POETRY COMPOSED BY HIS DIVINE GRACE A.C. BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPADA TO HIS SPIRITUAL MASTER


"VIRAHA-ASTAKA"

 

Eight Prayers in Separation From My Spiritual Master, 
composed in December 1958 by His Divine Grace Srila
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 


(Printed in the Gaudiya Patrika magazine by his godbrother Kesava Maharaja in February 1959 for Srila Bhaktisidhanta Sarasvati Thakur's Disappearance Day.)



Prathama Astaka (First Octet)


1.1 O Srila Prabhupada! You personally suffer to see the suffering of the fallen conditioned souls. On this anniversary of your separation I am utterly despondent.

 

1.2 "The ocean of mercy was previously held back by a dam, but Lord Nityananda personally cut a channel in it and thereby released the outpouring flood of pure ecstatic love of God." (from Locana Dasa's song "Nitai guna-mani")

 

1.3 Those devotees to whom the responsibility was given to continue spreading this flood of love somehow became overpowered by Maya and were thus reduced to simply performing ritualistic Hindu ceremonies for the benefit of materialists.

 

1.4 Lord Nityananda's inundation of prema was thus completely stopped by those known as "jati-gosai" (caste gosvamis). But then you personally came, O Master, to open wide the floodgates once again.

 

1.5 Again you engulfed everyone in the deluge of pure divine love – even such a low, wretched, fallen, and sinful soul as myself.

 

1.6 On the strength of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu's command, you sent out all of your servants as spiritual masters, going from door to door, just to deliver the fallen souls.

 

1.7 The devotees were enthusiastically preaching everywhere – from the oceans to the Himalaya mountains. But now that you have gone from our midst, everything today has become very dark.

 

1.8 O Srila Prabhupada! You personally suffer to see the suffering of the fallen conditioned souls. On this day of your separation I am utterly despondent.



Dvitiya Astaka (Second Octet)

2.1 Just as Advaita Prabhu had prayed fervently and thus induced Sri Gauranga to descend, so did your father, Bhaktivinoda Thakura, pray for you to incarnate.

 

2.2 Due to Bhaktivinoda's eagerness, O Master, you came and proclaimed to everyone that India is the most holy land of the Lord's divine pastimes.

 

2.3 "One who has taken his birth in this land of Bharata-bhumi [India] should first make his own life successful and then work for the benefit of all other people." (Cc Adi 9.41)

 

2.4 This is the most significant message of Lord Caitanya that you boldly preached everywhere. But now in your absence, O Master, everything has fallen into darkness.

 

2.5 The overflowing ocean of your compassion has once again been dammed up. This makes me feel as if a spear of great misery has indeed pierced my heart.

 

2.6 Without Caitanya Mahaprabhu's message being spread, there is only confusion and upheaval in the movement. Seeing this situation, all the Vaisnavas are also feeling overwhelmed with the pangs of your separation.

 

2.7 The spirit souls have once again been captured by Maya and plunged into absolute darkness. Desperately searching for relief, they are simply perishing in a fathomless ocean of anxiety.

 

2.8 O Srila Prabhupada! You personally suffer to see the suffering of the fallen conditioned souls. On this day of your separation I am utterly despondent.

Trtiya Astaka (Third Octet)

3.1 You instructed everyone you met to chant the holy name of Lord Krsna. You showed the example by continually reciting that maha-mantra into their ears.

 

3.2 You empowered everyone with the qualification to further distribute that holy name. But now, by the influence of Maya, there is only darkness on all sides.

 

3.3 The souls who are truly attached to worshiping the Lord always sing and dance in joyful sankirtana. Following in the footsteps of their spiritual master, they deliver the whole world.

 

3.4 But those who have no such qualification perform nirjana bhajana, or so-called confidential worship in a solitary place. Thus acting whimsically, all of them actually remain absorbed in personal sense gratification.

 

3.5 "An ordinary soul should never imitate the activities of the Supreme Lord, even in his mind." (SB 10.33.30) According to these instructions in devotional service, the unqualified imitators are all ruined.

 

3.6 You preached "utility is the principle" – that is, one should act without attachment and use anything that is deemed appropriate in the devotional service of the Lord.

 

3.7 In such detached devotional service to Lord Krsna, there would be a temple established in every house. But now just the opposite situation is apparent everywhere.

 

3.8 O Srila Prabhupada! You personally suffer to see the suffering of the fallen conditioned souls. On this day of your separation I am utterly despondent.

Caturtha Astaka (Fourth Octet)

4.1 Everything regarding material prosperity as well as mystic perfection is fully present in your transcendental message: "Because the residents of Vraja have life, therefore they engage in preaching work." (Dusta Mana, verse 18)

 

4.2 The "resolute intelligence" (vyavasayatmika buddhi) explained by Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti [in his commentary to Bhagavad-gita 2.41] is now spoiled since your disciples have become ensnared in the bewildering noose of Maya.

 

4.3 Those disciples who were irresolute in performing devotional service according to your instructions have divided your mission into many factions. It appears that the tigress of ambition for material name and fame has appeared and personally provoked this upheaval.

 

4.4 The essential purport of your message obviously did not enter their ears. O where will I get the strength to perform this hari-nama-sankirtana?

 

4.5 To chant the holy name of the Lord is the explicit command of my worshipful spiritual master. I could never honestly neglect that order.

 

4.6 Your greatest acclaim is that you propagated the topmost religious culture. Anyone who accepts the holy name from you becomes spiritually qualified.

 

4.7 If all those who have attained this qualification were to go out and make disciples, then the miserable conditioned souls would all be delivered from the world of birth and death.

 

4.8 O Srila Prabhupada! You personally suffer to see the suffering of the fallen conditioned souls. On this day of your separation I am utterly despondent.

Pancama Astaka (Fifth Octet)

5.1 The greatest mantra of all, consisting of thirty-two letters, is: Hare Krsna Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama, Rama Rama Hare Hare.
People who are possessed by gross foolishness refuse to chant it.

 

5.2 Your so-called disciple, the jackal named Ananta Vasudeva, disobeyed your final instructions to keep the mission united, and thereby created a scandalous fiasco. The result of this philosophical deviation is evident to this day as imitative sahajiyas are being worshiped as gurus in your temples.

 

5.3 Is there a single temple to be found where your instructions are still being followed? As it is said: "punar musiko bhava" – Everyone has "again become a mouse."

 

5.4 The lion's food has been stolen away by the deceptive tricks of the jackal. Now caught in Maya's mighty clutches, everyone is reduced to wailing and weeping.

 

5.5 O Master! If you are merciful to us once again, then even though we are trapped here on the shore of the ocean of death, we will finally behold a change for the better.

 

5.6 Then once again we can blissfully remember the holy name of Krsna, and once again we will have firm faith in your "Vaikuntha messages."

 

5.7 Once again you will make us dance in the pure holy name of Krsna. Thus you will personally dispel all this confusion caused by Maya.

 

5.8 O Srila Prabhupada! You personally suffer to see the suffering of the fallen conditioned souls. On this day of your separation I am utterly despondent.

Sastha Astaka (Sixth Octet)

6.1 "Continue dancing, singing and performing sankirtana in the association of devotees." (Cc Adi 7.92) These words spoken by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu are especially nectarine.

 

6.2 If we have complete faith in these instructions given by you, our spiritual master, then in the performance of sankirtana actual love for Krsna will be aroused in us.

 

6.3 Without love of God, our tiny individual intelligence only becomes entangled in the network of Maya's delusions. Because no one actually attained prema, now there has been great upheaval in your mission.

 

6.4 The whole world has become filled with impersonalists, and the Vaisnavas have given up the work of preaching that was entrusted to them and have simply gone off to perform solitary worship.

 

6.5 The Vaisnavas were famous as "patita pavana" (deliverers of the fallen), but now this title has fallen into disgrace. Countless numbers of your disciples have been forced to leave your movement.

 

6.6 At such an inauspicious time, O Master, what can be done to repair the damage that is done? The beautiful garden that you had so carefully planted is now parched and withered away. 

 

6.7 O Master, please awaken some good intelligence in this insignificant disciple of yours so that my firm faith in your transcendental message may increase more and more.

 

6.8 O Srila Prabhupada! You personally suffer to see the suffering of the fallen conditioned souls. On this day of your separation I am utterly despondent.

Saptama Astaka (Seventh Octet)

7.1 The most magnanimous incarnation of the Lord was Sri Krsna Caitanya. Distributing the process of attaining love of God by chanting the holy name of Krsna, He thus blessed the entire universe.

 

7.2 O Master, you are the personification of the  transcendental message of Lord Caitanya. You are the distributor of the message to every town and village of the world.

 

7.3 You sent your devotees to preach in the faraway lands of the Western Countries, and you personally traveled all over India, even to the South.

 

7.4 You preached the pure philosophy of Lord Gauranga in such a way that intelligent persons could understand. And you showed such great concern, O Master, in convincing all your adversaries!
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7.5 Lord Gauranga used many tricks just to engage the conditioned souls in devotional service, and you have also understood how to use all those tricks perfectly well.

 

7.6 You understood time, place, and circumstance, and utilized everything as a strategy for preaching. Although observing your activities with their very eyes, those who are blind like owls and other creatures of the night could not see your true purpose.

 

7.7 What will the Auls and the Sahajiiyas and the other nonsense groups ever understand? And what will the sheep-like common people or the dry logicians ever understand?

 

7.8 O Srila Prabhupada! You personally suffer to see the suffering of the fallen conditioned souls. On this day of your separation I am utterly despondent.

Astama Astaka (Eighth Octet)

8.1 Lord Caitanya's method of devotional service is not performed in solitude. You preached this again and again to your own devotees.

 

8.2 Just as the Lord delivered Jagai and Madhai out of His own causeless mercy, you explained to everyone that this same method of preaching work has to go on.

 

8.3 The world has now filled up with many Jagais and Madhais to deliver. Everyone is anxiously looking down the road waiting for Caitanya-Nitai to come to their rescue.

 

8.4 If, at such a time as this, you were to personally return to this world and once more preach about all these things the way you always used to--

 

8.5 If there were enthusiastic preaching activities again taking place in every direction, then all the people as before would be stirred up in blissful excitement.

 

8.6 Your profound shouting would cause the demons and atheists to flee, and your narrations of Lord Caitanya's message would fill the hearts of the innocent souls.

 

8.7 Again the whole world would be excitedly bustling with good tidings; but as it is, in your absence now there is nothing of value anywhere.

 

8.8 O Srila Prabhupada! You personally suffer to see the suffering of the fallen conditioned souls. On this day of your separation I am utterly despondent.

 

8.9 O Master! My heart is broken in your absence. This disciple named Abhay has hereby revealed only a small token of his wretched agony of separation.

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VAISISTYA-ASTAKA

(A Vyasa-Puja offering of prayers glorifying special
characteristics of Srila 108 Bhaktisiddanta Saraswati Goswami Thakura.
Presented on the commemoration of his Appearance, by His Divine Grace A.C.
Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, at the Radha-Damodara temple,
Vrindavana, India, in 1961.)



Prathama Vaisistya (First Distinction)


1.1 On this day of your separation, O Master, I bitterly lament the absence of my beloved sri-guru, which has become utterly intolerable.

 

1.2 To worship you on this auspicious anniversary day, I have brought this humble offering of poetry in remembrance of your lotus feet.

 

1.3 Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's verdict is that renunciation is the most important thing. Not only that, but knowledge of such renunciation must be delivered to every living being.

 

1.4 We are neophytes in devotional service and have no qualification to do this properly; but since you are an empowered devotee of the highest order, you have shown us how to perform such service.


1.5 If one is bewildered by ignorance, then what kind of renunciant can he be? He will only be an imitation renunciant, externally giving up things while internally remaining attached.

 

1.6 True renunciation is actually the result of transcendental realization. Without such realization, a display of renunciation is simply known as "show-bottle."

 

1.7 But there is another type of "show-bottle" display, used solely for the purpose of preaching. That is Lord Caitanya's acceptance of the sannyasa asrama, by which the Mayavadis are defeated.

 

1.8 Lord Caitanya's philosophy is far beyond the social concept of varnasrama-dharma. It is called bhagavata-dharma, and it is meant for putting an end to all cheating processes of religion.

 

1.9 The performance of dry renunciation accomplishes no real preaching. Therefore, yukta-vairagya (appropriate renunciation) is the highest essential understanding.

 

1.10 The sannyasa initiation which you have given us is only for preaching in devotion to the Lord. The throngs of atheistic sense enjoyers are unable to comprehend this.


Dvitiya Vaisistya (Second Vasistya)

2.1 A sannyasi traditionally renounces everything of the world and goes to stay in mountain caves; but you, O Master, keep your sannyasis in luxurious palaces of marble.

 

2.2 A renunciant is traditionally forbidden to look upon a sense enjoyer, for that would be just like drinking poison; but you, O Master, deliberately go to visit big aristocratic persons just to give them your darsana.

 

2.3 The mlecchas (meat-eaters) and yavanas (Muslims) are traditionally forbidden from entering Hindu temples; but you honor them as members of the board and seat them prominently in the assembly.

 

2.4 Hindus are traditionally forbidden to travel across the ocean; but you boldly send your devotees overseas to preach there on your behalf.

 

2.5 In the horrible cities contaminated by Kali-yuga the instructions of bonafide spiritual preceptors are considered by the populace to be "taboo," but you choose to spend all of your time there.

 

2.6 Some devotes want to hide in a secluded place to quietly perform confidential bhajana, but in your view, such selfish behavior is totally unacceptable.

 

2.7 Wherever there is the most heavily crowded population, in that place your preaching work is to be found.

 

2.8 In London you want to make a youth hostel for travelers. You explain that it must be organized in a first-class manner.

 

2.9 In the land of meat-eating barbarians, a student hostel for preaching hari-katha! Who can possibly understand the significance of these things?

 

2.10 The reconciliation of all these apparently contradictory policies is not some trifling child's play for a pretentious and small-minded observer.

Trtiya Vaisistya (Third Distinction)

3.1 O Master! If all of your disciples would sit down and carefully consider these things, then what nice preaching everyone could do together!

 

3.2 That was your explicit order given to us – that everyone should work together to propagate the preaching mission while remaining immersed in your instructions.

 

3.3 But if everyone simply imitates your exalted position, then there will only be a contrary result. As long as this pretense continues, there will only be utter failure.

 

3.4 Even now, O Godbrothers, you have returned here on the order of our spiritual master as together we are immersed in worshiping His Divine Grace.

 

3.5 But merely having a festival of flowers and fruits does not constitute worship; those who serve the instructions of the spiritual master actually worship him.

 

3.6 By serving the spiritual master's instructions the disciples are empowered with the transcendental sound vibration. O Godbrothers, please return to this standard and give up your false pride.

 

3.7 Once the greatly learned man known as Kalidasa Naga had openly challenged our master in the public assembly by saying:

 

3.8 "Kali's mission is keeping the entire world falsely contented with material pleasures– why then are your disciples keeping the essential message of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu locked up in a cage?"

 

3.9 Oh, shame! shame! my dear Godbrothers – aren't we embarrassed by what we're doing? In the manner of mundane businessmen we deceptively increase the numbers of our own disciples.

 

3.10 Our spiritual master had told us to go out and preach! Let the neophytes remain inside the temples and simply ring the bells.

Caturtha Vaisistya (Fourth Distinction)

4.1 All these things that we have fabricated are not our spiritual master's preaching methods. All these deviations are the business of the caste gosvamis who are fond of posing as gurus.

 

4.2 Just open your eyes and see the tragedy that has arisen.
Everyone has become a sense enjoyer and has given up preaching.

 

4.3 In your temples you have even begun to lock the doors tight. Oh, just preach this bhagavata-dharma – don't procrastinate any longer!

 

4.4 Within the surface of this planet there is another layer of the earth's crust. But the power of sound is a matchless force that can penetrate right through the earth.

 

4.5 As it is said: "The malla [Muslim priest] only ventures out as far as the mosque extends" – all preaching that is limited by concepts such as this should be put to an end this very day!

 

4.6 From sea to sea, crossing the earth, penetrating the universal shell, all of us should unite in purpose and flood the lands with the inundation of Krsna conscious preaching!

 

4.7 Doing so, then this annual ceremony of coming together to worship our spiritual master will be honored quite appropriately. Please make your promise on this very day to give up all your political wrangling.

 

4.8 Everyone, please come together on this very day and contribute your valued opinion. All of us can assemble to discuss the situation and decide what should be done.

 

4.9 You have become renunciants, O Godbrothers, and so you indeed renounce everything. But if you also give up the order of your spiritual master, then what kind of renunciation is that?

 

4.10 One who tries to enjoy the assets of his spiritual master (guru-bhogi) and one who renounces his guru's order (guru-tyagi) are two kinds of useless persons. But one who actually serves his spiritual master (guru-sevi) will clearly understand all these things.

Pancama Vaisistya (Fifth Distinction)

5.1 There is only one all-opulent Supreme Lord; therefore, if one's personal opulence increases, a truly saintly person rejects it, knowing it to be the cause of a dangerous position in the material world.

 

5.2 Your hoarding of money, O Godbrothers, is the cause of material sense gratification. This meaningful statement was spoken by Prabhupada himself.

 

5.3 Give up your personal wealth for the cause of preaching. Sit down together and make a special effort to plan for its practical use.

 

5.4 The Supreme Lord Himself says, "Everything is Mine alone." Don't say anything in protest – just joint together and preach.

 

5.5 Srila Prabhupada personally gave that command as his final instruction to us. Please take great care to carry out his wish by adopting various preaching tactics.

 

5.6 Otherwise your efforts are in vain and all your results will be spoiled. Be very careful in this regard, or later you will regret everything.

 

5.7 So what is the difficulty if all of us would come together in this way? And why do these things even have to be said to you?

 

5.8 Please give up your stubbornness – there is no better time than this! Oh come, all my Godbrothers, this is the auspicious occasion to unite as one!


Sasta Vaisistya (Sixth Distinction)

6.1 When will that day come when there will be a temple established in each and every home in all corners of the world?

 

6.2 When the high court judges sitting on the bench will be devout Gaudiya Vaisnavas with radiant tilaka marks beautifully decorating their foreheads?

 

6.3 When a Vaisnava winning votes from the people will be elected President of the country, and pure preaching, O Godbrothers, will be spreading out everywhere?

 

6.4 But now all the demons are simply plundering and enjoying the Lord's resources as the helpless populace cries out in distress, "Alas! Alas!"

 

6.5 The demons want to concoct so many "plans" just to cheat the people. They outlandishly sell wheat flour at thirty-two rupees a mound.

 

6.6 Will opening an iron factory fill a hungry man's belly? Being afflicted with starvation, the people will eat grass and mango pits.

 

6.7 By simply wearing a string coasting two paisa, a man is called a brahmana. By simply wearing a cloth dyed saffron, another has become a sannyasi.

 

6.8 The householders now beg alms from the sannyasis, and why not? The sannyasis have tends of millions of rupees in the bank.

 

6.9 The pernicious influence of Kali-yuga increases day by day as the poor souls tortured by Kali are all crying out in distress, "Alas! Alas!"

 

6.10 Ten thousand cows are killed every day in the slaughterhouses, and the nation's so-called leaders are eating untouchable foodstuffs.

 

6.11 People of dull intelligence keep having babies and thus increase their numbers day by day. A husband and his wife separate forever merely because of the first unpleasant word.

 

6.12 All the people have become demons under the influence of the age of Kali. Everyone is miserable due to the absence of the mercy of the Vaisnavas.


Saptama Vaisistya (Seventh Distinction)


7.1 The Vaisnavas are famous as para-duhkha-duhkhi, for they are saddened to see others suffering. This fame will simply increase as they continue their preaching.

 

7.2 When devotional service to Krsna, which is eternally perfect, is awakened in everyone, then the personality of Kali will flee for his life, loudly wailing, "Alas! Alas!"

 

7.3 "One must work for the benefit of all living beings." That is Mahaprabhu's teaching. (Cc Adi 9.43) This activity is the storehouse of happiness in the present life as well as the next.

 

7.4 According to this command, much work has fallen into your hands, O Godbrothers, so please gather together in a unified effort and see that it is done.

 

7.5 Vasudeva Datta said to Lord Caitanya, after first paying obeisance: "Please deliver all the living beings from the material world."

 

7.6 "Give all their sins and sufferings to me, who am the lowest of all. In this way, all the distress of the miserable conditioned souls will be relieved."

 

7.7 Vasudeva Datta was the best of Vaisnavas, becoming sad to see others suffering. He knew that there was no real happiness to be found in gratifying his own senses.

 

7.8 And what kind of mercy can be demonstrated by those who are not Vaisnavas? Those who show compassion to others under the banner of "poor-Narayana" philosophy are simply offenders to the Lord.

 

7.9 The mercy that is displayed by the Vaisnavas is scientific and authorized. Without the Vaisnavas' mercy, this world remains as an insurmountable illusion.

 

7.10 If there is a kingdom of Lord Visnu and the Vaisnavas
established here on earth, only then will the people be happy. This is confirmed by all the great saints and sages.


Astama Vaisistya (Eighth Distinction)


8.1 Why are all the people crying for Rama-rajya, the kingdom governed by the Lord? The only way it can be achieved is by establishing a Visnu-centered nation.

 

8.2 Lord Krsna personally installed King Yudhisthira to rule upon the royal lion-throne. At that time, the whole world was opulent with riches and grains due to the auspiciousness of having a Vaisnava leader.

 

8.3 The rivers, streams, trees, fields, and mountains were all full of fruits and flowers. The milk-cows were indeed overflowing with an abundance of milk.

 

8.4 Even the animals, birds, and lower creatures did not kill each other as they do now. The quality of life in that Vaisnava kingdom was glorified throughout the universe.

 

8.5 Immersed in transcendental bliss, everyone was singing the glories of Lord Hari. Seeing this, the hearts of the Vaisnavas were leaping in ecstasy.

 

8.6 But today the entire world is filled with mundane people who are devoid of even a trace of devotion to Lord Krsna; instead they are completely enamored with material sense objects.

 

8.7 Still, these people are searching for peace of mind. By preaching Krsna consciousness, please fulfill their desire.

 

8.8 On this very day, O Godbrothers, reconcile your separate factions and unite. Come to the rescue of all these fallen souls by preaching Krsna consciousness to them.

 

8.9 O Srila Prabhupada! Please be merciful upon us today. Have compassion now and let us feel your affection for us.

 

8.10 Whatever independence we may have, let it be cast now into the waters. The lowly Abhay offers this presentation today.


Vrndavana, Radha Damodara.

 

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