DISCUSSION ON NARAYANA MAHARAJA SPECIAL

Date: 21. Nov. 2000 part 1,2,3,4
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DISCUSSION ON NARAYANA MAHARAJA SPECIAL

Nama om Visnu-padaya Krsna-presthaya bhu-tale
Srimate Bhaktivedanta-Svamin iti namine

Nameste Sarasvati devam Gauravani pracarine
Nirvisesa sunyavadi Prascatya desatarine

Sri-Krsna-Caitanya Prabhu Nityananda Sri-Advaita Gadadhara
Srivasadi-Gaura-Bhakta-vrnda.

Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krssna, Hare Hare
Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare.

The following is a conversation between Puranjana dasa, editor of PADA, The Prabhupada Anti-Defamation Assosiation and Yasoda nandan dasa, assistant editor of The Prabhupada-Anti Defamation Association, recorded on Sunday, July 16th, 2000, in Berkeley, California.

pt.1 - The purpose of this discussion is to create a written article about the propaganda by His Holiness Narayana Maharaja of the Kesavaji Gaudiya Math and some of his various statements in some of his publications namely a publication by Narayana Maharaja in 1997 where he had a article called, "Ritvik and Sri Guru Tatva", as well as another article called, "Taking Srila Prabhupada straight", by one gentleman named, Bhagavata Maharaja, a disciple of Bhakti Pramode Puri Gosvami Maharaja.

This article by Bhagavat Maharja is supposed to be a reply to an article that was written by Rabinda Svarupa who is a GBC of Iskcon, as well as Guru in Iskcon and we intend to make various comments about the statements of Bhagavat Maharaja, which were published by Narayana Maharaja. First of all in this publication we find that there is an article called "Ritvik and Sri Guru Tatva," where Naryayana Maharaja quotes in the begining of this article, specifically, he doesn't give any page number here, there is a heading called, "The necessity of approaching a sad-Guru for eternal and transcendental benefit." Unfortunately, Narayana Maharaja has supported "gurus" who are not at all eternal (sat), rather he admits his type of gurus are falling down. Thus his title is a very misleading contradiction from his actual teachings. He has said repeatedly that the temporary, the material, the contaminated, and the "asat" are gurus, and thus gurus fall down.

It's also important to note herein that Narayana Maharaja quotes from a revised translation of "The Bhagavad Gita As it is" that was published in 1983 by the GBC. A translation, which we should say is unauthorized and not accepted by the vast majority of Prabhupada's disciples. This pertains to the edition that was published using Jayadvaita Swami's changes. He is one of the BBT trustees, and they have changed numerous words from Srila Prabhupada's purports claiming to be "correcting the grammar and the language." And everything. We're specifically refering to Bhagavad Gita, chapter 4, text number 34, where Narayana Maharaja quotes the unauthorised following translation of Bhagavad Gita, chapter 4, text 34: "Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto Him. The self-realized SOULS can impart knowledge unto you because they have learned the truth."

What we have just read is the unauthorised translation. The actual, original translation by Srila Prabhupada, the authorised one, reads; "The self-realised SOUL can impart knowledge unto you, because He has seen the truth." What is most shocking here according to various comments we've received from numerous devotees and senior devotees is that Narayana Maharaja at numerous times has repeated how he claims that Srila Prabhupada is his shiksa Guru, that he gets his inspiration from Prabhupada, or as he likes to call Him, "Swami Maharaja." Yet he has not protested the changes to his books? What we do not agree with, and we beg to respecfully disagree with the Maharaj, is the idea that he can quote from an unauthorised translations which Srila Prabhupada never admitted, never accepted, and never requested, and claim that this is supposed to be authorised.

Worse, Srila Prabhupada specifically ordered that his books should not be changed, at all, and thus quoting from the changed books in a scholarly commentary is giving credibility to the re-witing effort. Of course, we have also heard that Narayana Maharaja is re-writing Srila Prabhupada's entire Bhagavad Gita himself, making his own edition of the Bhagavad Gita. So it seems that he endorses changes, new editions, and so on and so forth. Srila Prabhupada said that the editing of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati's works ruined them, and so we are surprised that Narayana Maharaja ignores or steps over these important points. Nor has he helped us challenge the GBC over making these changes.

So this begs the question, when did Srila Prabhupada tell Narayana Maharaja he wanted his books to be re-written by Jayadvaita swami? Again, this is another example of Maharaja being influenced by the GBC's propaganda, or actually taking part in some of their polluted deviations. And we've noticed that he's done this several times throughout his articles by quoting various so-called translations which are supposedly from Prabhupada's books, many of which have been re-arranged and several times changed, so we do not accept this point.

And what is more noteworthy here is that he offers the prayers to the disciplic succession, "Bande hum," "Om Ajnana timirandasya," different prayers called, "Srila Prabhupada Vandana." These prayers are prayers to Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami Thakur Prabhupada, then he offers another prayer, there's a prayer to himself here that was obviously written by his disciples. Then there's another prayer to Narayana Maharaja. Then there's a prayer to His Guru Maharaja, Bhakti Kesava Goswami Maharaj, then it goes on with "Vancha kalpa tarubhyas," "namo maha badanaya," and yet nowhere in this Mangalacarana is there any prayer glorifing Srila Prabhupada, or even mentioning him at all? So, we are basically raising the issue here, if Srila Prabhupada is his Guru as he claims, why doesn't he just call Srila Prabhupada by his name and pay his pranamas to Him? That would be the appropriate thing for somebody who considers himself the shiksa disciple of Srila Prabhupada. At least the GBC makes some show bottle attempt of some nominal mention of Srila Prabhupada. So, we cannot accept the view right now at this point, based on the evidence that we have, that Narayan Maharaja is a bona fide shiksa disciple of His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Srila Prabhupada.

Puranjana dasa: Also, in 1990 Narayan Maharaja listed as the people he considers to be bona fide members of the guru parampara --people like: Tirtha Maharaja, Madhav Maharaja and Sridhar Maharaja. And he says that they are all acharyas just like Srila Prabhupada. No. Srila Prabhupada specifically says, amongst my God brothers no one is qualified to be acharya. He did not accept that these people are acharyas. Not only that, Madhava Maharaja is the person who insulted and practically threatened violence to Srila Prabhupada in 1971. Tirtha Maharaja is the person who insulted his own Guru Maharaj and considered him his "business partner," says Srila Prabhupada. Sridhar Maharaj is the founder father of the 1936 homosexual acharya fiasco, which ruined the Gaudiya Math. And he also supported the post-1977 GBC's homosexual guru imbroglio.

So why would these deviated people be listed by Narayana Maharaja as his idea of acharyas? Narayana Maharaja also knows the history, that Tirtha Maharaja is considered by most to be like ISKCON's Tamal for the Gaudiya Matha. He was not trusted. He was disliked. He was even feared and hated. And some suspect him of "giving injections" of maybe poison to Srila Saraswati Thakura and so on. So what kind of people does Narayana Maharaja give his rubber stamp of approval of guru to? Deviants. And not just regular deviants either, rather the main deviants named by Srila Prabhupada as the destroyers of the Gaudiya Matha. Narayana Maharaja also says that gurus fall down, so what kind of guru parampara does he have? Srila Prabhupada says that Tirtha is the Duryodhana of the Gaudiya Matha, he is an envious black snake, he is a cockroach, he is envious of the real guru, he cheated the other devotees out of the properties, and so on. Yet Narayana Maharaja declares that this same bogus envious snake is his co-guru?

And these named deviants are --like Srila Prabhupada? The founders of the homosexual worship are equal to Srila Prabhupada? Of course we also find this same Bhagavat Maharaja says later in this article that making a homosexual into guru in 1936 was appropriate. There was nothing wrong with it he says. So Narayana Maharaja prints a statement that there is nothing wrong with homosexuals posing as acharyas. That is another problem here, we have people endorsing homosexuals as gurus and "there is nothing wrong with it." We thus have Narayana Maharaja endorsing both the post-1936 and post-1977 homosexual "guru" programs. Now, why would someone say there is nothing wrong with homosexuals posing as gurus? Is there an agenda here? Of course, Srila Prabhupada told us so. There is a plot, there is a scheme, kill guru, become guru, and rubber stamp more gurus, and of course, rubber stamp homosexuals as gurus.

Worse, "Here is a snake who hates your guru, he may have poisoned your guru's guru, and yet: he is my co-guru"? Srila Prabhupada said the Gaudiya Matha deviant's mentality is "kill guru and become guru," and along comes Narayana Maharaja and he declares these arrogant fool guru killers, if not homosexual guru worship promoters, are his worshipped co-gurus? Of course, Narayana Maharaja was Tamal's best friend for many years. They were often seen laughing and joking together and having constant regular meeetings. The founder father of the post-1977 homosexual guru party is Tamal, and Narayana Mahaharaja has ten years of free time to talk to this Tamal, but he would not give us ten minutes when we came to talk to him? No time for us non-homosexual worshippers?

He also said that Tamal is his idea of guru as well, and Tamal is yet another suspect in a "kill guru and become guru plot." Yes, more homosexual gurus too. So, the more one is a deviant, the more one is connected to kill guru and become guru, the more one makes homosexuals into gurus, the more higher one becomes in Narayana Maharaja's altar of respect. And if you are considered as a guru killer party man, and if you are a known creator of homosexual gurus, then Narayana Maharaja offers you the highest respect of all, you are his idea of guru. So this --snake guru, envious guru, guru killer mentality and homosexual guru idea, are not even new ideas. Narayana Maharaja has endorsed this all along from 1936 as is evidenced in this publication, and he still does. "There is nothing wrong in this" his publication boasts.

Yasodanandan dasa: The preceding quotation was found in the Iskcon Journal, published, by the GBC in consultation with Narayan Maharaja, where they had an article with him. This was published in March of 1990, on page number 23. The article is called, "Conversations with Narayana Maharaja", which occurred on the 15th of January, 1990. And this is one page number 23, on the first column, on the bottom. Again, for these various reasons, we cannot accept their idea that the people that they are quoting as part of their disciplic succession are actually part of the bona-fide disciplic succession that Prabhupada started. There are numerous quotes from Srila Prabhupada, that Prabhupada had given, throughout His manifested presence with us, and I think at this point, we will mention a few of them. This is taken from a letter from Srila Prabhupada, on April 28, 1974, about Sridhar Maharaja:

Prabhupada: "We shall be very carefull and not mix with them, (regarding His God brothers), this is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So, we should be very careful about them."

Another quote from Srila Prabhupada, in a letter, in September, in 1975, Prabhupada: "I am in due receipt of your letter about Bon Maharaja so I have issued orders that all my disciples should avoid all my god brothers." Here's an interesting quote by Srila Prabhupada: "Two of my other disciples here at Vrindaban, at my place, at Radha-Damodhar Temple, and Bon Maharaja is still after them to deviate their faith upon me," from a letter from Srila Prabhupada in 1969. "So, it is better not to mix with my god brothers very intimately, because, instead of inspiring out students, and disciples, they may sometimes pollute them. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhav Maharaj and Tirtha Maharaj, and Bon Maharaj, but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on." From a letter from Sila Prabhupada, on April 28, 1974.

It's significant to note again here, that in the previous article, the conversation with Narayana Maharaja, and the GBC, he supported the idea that Tirtha Maharaja and Madhav Maharaj are bona-fide spiritual masters, along with Prabhupada, unfortunately, we see from Prabhupada's own descriptions, these people were envious of Prabhupada, and they tried to steal His disciples from Him.

pt.2 - Puranjana: And these Gaudiya Matha "gurus" that Narayana Maharaja claims are his co-gurus are amongst the same folks who vociferously protested that Srila Prabhupada was being calling "Prabhupada." In fact, Madhava Maharaja came into Srila Prabhupada's room in 1971 screaming "you have no right to call yourself Srila Prabhupada." He was practically threatening. And then Srila Prabhupada said, we have to post a guard, these people might harm me. And now Narayana Maharaja says that these "Prabhupada bashers," perhaps people who would plot to physically assault him, are his co-gurus? The people who hated our Srila Prabhupada are the people he says he worships as his co-gurus? And there are those who think there may be a connection to the "givers of injections" to Srila Saraswati Thakura in 1936 and the people who whispered "the poison is going down" in 1977 nearby our Srila Prabhupada? There may have been some forms of cooperation? Indeed, Srila Prabhupada says, "vahi bat," same thing, it is the same thing that happened to his guru maharaja? Worse, according to Pita dasa, Srila Prabhupada did say that he was being poisoned, just like his guru maharaja had been? And these poisoner's parties are gurus?

No wonder then that Narayana Maharaja was as angry as fire when our Srila Prabhupada's poison complaint came out and he has repressed it ever since. He has made no effort to contain the poisoners, and no wonder since he said they are his idea of gurus. He has only recently reluctantly agreed that there may be a poison complaint because we have pressed it so much we have forced him to admit. He takes no initiative to pursue this point, de facto defending the bad guys. It is not important he says. Yes, your guru was poisoned, so who cares? Not me. I don't give a hoot if he was poisoned, no skin off me. Does not affect me. His shiksha guru says he is poisoned and he says, nevermind, read: so what I don't care? This is his love for his guru? Jadurani says that the GBC might poison Narayana Maharaja, yet he issues no warnings to anyone else?

We may also recall that there has been a rumor that Narayana Maharaja was one of the people who joined the Gaudiya Matha in protesting Srila Prabhupada using that title in 1971. Of course recently folks like Gopa Vrindapal have said that Narayana Maharaja is authorized to preach because he is part of the Gaudiya Matha. And therefore he has authority to come and preach in the West? Oh, so Narayana Maharaja is certified by the founder fathers of homosexual worship, the people who objected to Srila Prabhupada using that title, and in sum the "kill guru and become guru" sabha? That is his authority? And they are admitting this? And they are proud of this? The same folks who certify homosexuals as gurus have certified our guru, Narayana Maharaja? And we are proud of that? If I had a "guru certificate" from the same folks who certified homosexuals as gurus, I'd hide it, bury it, and denounce it, not think it was some divine blessing of authority?

Madhava Maharaja, Bon Maharaj and Tirtha Maharaj et al., were foremost amongst the people that protested that Prabhupada was being recognized as an acharya. So, how can Narayan Maharaj say that the people who did not recognize the acharya, who tried to stop the acharya, harass the acharya, threatened violence practically to the acharya. . . they are his acharyas? So, right after this incident with Madhava Maharaj, Prabhupada said, I want two guards posted outside my door, because these "God brothers" may commit violence on me. Prabhupada thought that these people could come and attack Him, physically, and it actually occurred at that very evening, some gundas came in and dug up the foundation that Prabhupada had made for the Temple, and they put garbage in the hole there as a way of insulting Prabhupada. And these are Narayana Maharaja's co-gurus?

They insulted Srila Prabhupada and tried to harass and check him, perhaps they wanted to do violence to him, and so these are Narayana Maharaja's idea of his higher authorities? And do not forget that Narayana Maharaja supported Tamal as his idea of guru, and we think that this party did do physical violence to Srila Prabhupada with poison. People who want to harass the acharya, threaten the acharya, they are Narayana Maharaja's gurus? In sum, these people were envious of Prabhupada, insulting to Prabhupada, threatening to Prabhupada, and these are the people that Narayana Maharaj thinks are his worshipable acharyas? These are his idea of successors to Krsna?

Yasoda nandan dasa: Another quote from Srila Prabhupada here, from a letter in 1968, Srila Prabhupada: "Regarding Bhakti Puri Tirtha Maharaj, they are my God brothers and should be shown respect, but you should not have any intimate connection with them, as they have gone against the orders of my Guru Maharaj." Another conversation in 1977, Srila Prabhupada: "So if somebody thinks, Oh, here's a snake with a jewel, let me embrace him. No, no, no, it is very ferocious. Similarly, these Gaudiya Math gurus are envious. Althought they have become so-called Vaishnavas, they are ferocious. They have not acquired the qualification of a Vaishnava. Simply, vesopidin? by dress." From a conversation in Vrindabana, India, in May 24th and 25th, 1977.

Another quotation, this was a letter form Prabhupada to Narayan Maharaj, on September 5, 1969, Prabhupada: "Regarding the Section 92 case against the Gaudiya Math, I don't think there is any possibility of compromise. Both the Bhag Bazaar Party, Sridhar Maharaja's group, and the Mayapur party, Tirtha Maharaja's group, have unlawfully usurped, the missionary institution of Srila Prabhupada." What is most interesting here, is how Narayana Maharaj quoted that Sridhar Maharaj, Madhav Maharaj, and Tirtha Maharaj, as examples of the acharyas, but here, Prabhupada wrote to Narayan Maharaj in 1969, how Prabhupada did not accept their idea, and as a matter of fact, he claimed that they had usurped the property of Bhakitsiddanta. So, how can these people be considered bona-fide acharyas after Prabhupada rejected them?

So, here we see that there's a major difference between Narayan Maharaj's version of the facts, and Srila Prabhupadas version. Therefore we connot accept Narayana Maharaj, as a bona-fide shiksa disciple of Prabhupada. Neither we can accept the idea, that he considers Prabhupada his shiksa guru since he actually does not accept many elements of Srila Prabhupada's shiksa in this connection.

Puranjana dasa: There's a pattern here, and the pattern is that Narayana Maharaja takes people who Prabhupada says are envious snakes, sarpas, envious rouges and rascals, who are envious of their guru, who may have even poisoned their guru, there's some concept that in the Gaudiya Math Bhaktisiddhanta was given injections and He may have been poisoned by His beloved so-called disciples. This class of people, Narayana Maharaja is linking as his idea of acharyas, as Krsna's successors. Krsna is pure, but he's saying that Krsna's pure representative is some snake. So, how is this?

So, naturally this is going to create chaos, a chaotic condition, which also evolved in the Gaudiya Math, due to this mistargeting of the acharya. People were banned, beaten and killed for not accepting Sridhara Maharaja's homosexual "acharya." Narayana Maharaja knows this history better than any of us. He knows that making false gurus makes for disintegration, schisms, horrific publicity, and even the murder of Vaishnavas. So why does he support it? Because some of the people in this mix make a lot of profit, distinction and adoration. They have supported this false guru rubbish, then later they come out as the saviors of the day, the people who will "re-initiate" all of you who accepted this cheating in the first place. Never mind that we are among the founder fathers of this cheating, or we still support these founder fathers as gurus. Here in America an auto repair garage was sued because when they fixed people's cars, they also took out one good part and put in one bad part, so the customer would be back in six months for more repairs. Narayana Maharaja supports these false guru sabhas, knowing they will go bad, and then he will be the fixer up guy who makes out well. And he knows this business better than any of us because he saw it all before after the 1936 false guru debacle.

As the FBI says, follow the money. Wherever some of these people have supported these false gurus, whether it is Sridhara Maharaja, Govinda Maharaja, Narayana Maharaja, Puri Maharaja, Gaura Govinda Maharaja, the GBC and Gaudiy Matha deviants in general, they also walk in later on as the "re-initiation" giving saviors of the day, and so they capitalize on the chaos. They all support false gurus, then they say that gurus fall down, and then they walk in as the next wave of saviors, grab a bunch of ex-disciples of various fallen gurus, and transfer the guru daksine into their pockets. Very convenient business. This also occured in the Gaudiya Matha, so there is a pattern. And so, some folks make out well in this mix by gaining profit, distinction, adoration and money. Even our Kailasha chandra and Kundali have a variation of this program, you need a living guru, and it is me. Srila Prabhupada calls this the guru business, and he says it is very sinful.

Then Narayan Maharaj supports the same exact deviations in the Iskcon situation. We have a person who may have been connected with the poisoning of Bhaktisiddhanta, Tirtha, and he is said to be a snake and usurper by Srila Prabhupada, and Narayana Maharaja says this is his idea of guru. Then, we have a person who may have been connected to the poisoning of our Prabhupada, another usurper, and Narayana Maharaj says this guy too is an acharya. And naturally this created more chaos, including a major lawsuit for molestation and so on and so forth. And then Narayana Maharaja walks in, after endorsing this chaos for ten years or more, and he says, well never mind, you all can worship me, I'm the re-initiator.

So we have to understand, if Krsna is pure, His acharya representative must also be pure. Narayana Maharaj has thus not understood this basic square 1A point of Krsna consciousness, Krsna is pure, and His pure representative must also be pure.

pt.3 - Yasodanandan dasa: Another interesting quote from Srila Prabhupada. Prabhupada says, "We haven't got to manufacture. To manufacture ideas is troublesome. Why should we take the trouble? And as soon as you want to manufacture something, that is dangerous. Guru-mukha-padma-vakya, cittete kariya aikya, ara na kariha mane asa ...this is, you are singing everyday. What our Guru has said, this is our life and soul. We do not want, ara na kariha mane. As soon as this --poison-- will come, 'Suppress guru and I become Guru, brahman,' everything finished. Spiritual life is finished. Gaudiya Matha finished..., violated the orders of Guru Maharaja." This is from a conversation with Srila Prabhupada in Bombay, India, on April 10, l977.

Puranjana dasa: Very significant. The idea of neophytes posing as guru is "poison." And as soon as this "poison" comes, everything is finished. Of course this is very prophetic, those who are full of this "poison," that they want to imitate their guru --may use actual poisons like arsenic to eliminate the real guru and takeover his worship. And then folks like Narayana Maharaja will jump on board as the big defenders of the worship of these poisoners, from both the 1930s and the 1970s. That "poison" may be acting on many levels. It has philosophical and practical meaning.

We have also said that making homosexuals into gurus is another poison, but yet the followers of Narayana Maharaja have criticized us for being "too critical." "Puranjana is so offensive." He does not agree with homosexual pedophiles being worshipped as God's successors. Very bad! Meanwhile all kinds of molestation has been going on in the back room while these followers opted to cooperate with the GBC's homosexual worship idea. So one poison, another poison, and molestation is another poison, it has almost poisoned and paralyzed the whole second generation of our devotees. In sum, Narayana Maharaja has said that our not agreeing with his homosexual guru idea is poison. And he still says that gurus fall down --and become homosexual pedophiles. That is one layer of the Gaudiya Matha poison, that the guru is a homosexual.

That is part of the poison that Srila Prabhupada wanted us to avoid, whereas Narayana Maharaja says, here, you have to drink this poison, you have to worship poisoners as gurus, and you have to worship homosexuals as gurus, and you have to worship pedophiles as gurus, and this is all found in shastra. What shastra? His poisoned shastra. No, the ACTUAL shastra says that gurus like Narada Muni cannot be brought to the material plane, even when they associate with beautiful women. Narayana Maharaja vociferously disagrees, he says that the guru will fall down, he will have a sex orgy frenzy --when he sees a little boy's butt. So he has no common sense even. His gurus are mad after butts, even of little boys, and so this is another poison. And because he supported the worship of homosexual pedophiles, he helped poison our second generation of devotees just as if he has fed them arsenic.

In fact, one boy told me that if they had killed him it would have been more merciful. He was very sick, he had diarrhea, he was being starved, he had been kicked and he thought his ribs were broken, he had some scabies that were making him itch 24 hours a day, so they were poisoning him, and so just killing him would have been better he said. So this is another effect of the guru imitation poison, more suffering for all involved. And if you think about it, these homosexual gurus are actually helping spread AIDS all over the place. More poison. And Narayana Maharaja has, as his gurus, people who will apparently use arsenic, they will poison the siddhanta, they will torture children, they may even spread AIDS in the name of guru. And he gets very angry with us when we say this is wrong, because he also supported the ditto Gaudiya Matha poison party who did the same types of things, homosexual gurus, banning, beating and killing the Vaishnavas, same poison, different wrapper.

Very significant also, supress guru. Just see, as soon as we say that Srila Prabhupada should be worshipped as guru, both the GBC and Narayana Maharaja say in unison, no you have to worship the GBC and their homosexual gurus, you cannot worship the pure devotee Srila Prabhupada, by the ritvik system he made. They want to suppress the worship of the pure devotee and that is why Srila Prabhupada says that his God brothers give him "depression, represssion, oppression" in a letter. So "suppress" the worship of the pure devotee, and "support" the worship of the poisoners, homosexuals, and that is what Narayana Maharaja has endorsed all along. And that is why further in this article he still defends the 1936 poison and homosexual guru imbroglio.

So all of this is what the GBC and Narayana Maharaja fail to take into consideration. As soon as a neophyte artificially poses as a guru, he is deviated, he is finished. Worse, according to this quote, he is spreading poisonous ideas. His spiritual life is not only over, he is now dangerous, he now has a poisonous influence. He thinks he is God's successor. Very dangerous. And Srila Prabhupada says in "The Nectar Of Instruction," this imitator of guru will eventually becomes degraded by the imitation business. So the GBC and their advisors like Narayana Maharaja have devised all kinds of elaborate schemes for things like "suspending" the GBC's gurus, or even "giving gopi classes to the GBC's gurus to try to steer them away from associating with the Radha Kunda Babajis," as Narayana Maharaja says he had to do with the GBC gurus, and so on, but they have no clue that the people who are being suspended from being guru, for being homosexuals, people who are running off to the Radha Kunda babajis for bogus gopi classes, they are simply deviants and they are not gurus.

And when Narayana Maharaja's so-called gurus become so degraded they are caught having illicit sex with men, women and children, Narayana Maharaja then says, "Well too bad, your guru fell down." Your "guru" fell down? He is having illicit sex with men, women and children and he is "a guru"? No, these people were never gurus from square one? Narayana Maharaja keeps taking credit for "saving the GBC's gurus from the babajis," but why does he have to "save" people who are supposed to pure devotees like Jesus, at all? He has saved these alleged gurus from sex, drugs and rock and roll orgies? OK, that is because he is so ignorant he has no idea that the guru, people like Jesus, never behave like this at all, ever. His followers are always bragging, "Oh, he saved the GBC gurus from the Radha Kunda sahajiyas." No, he helped them keep in illusion that they are gurus and so he caused them to go further to hell, and ISKCON along with them.

Of course, the Gaudiya Matha also produced a huge pile of these bogus gurus as well. Narayana Maharaja never asks the first square one question, who authorized these fools and perverts to be gurus in the first place? Narayana Maharaja is walking around saying, some criminal who found a police badge in his box of Cheerios is: a police man? No, he is a crook who is wearing a bogus badge, he has no authority to be a bona fide police man, he is a cheater. But Narayana Maharaja insists, oh here comes the police man. No, his badge is from Cheerios, it is bogus. So this is called the cheaters and the cheated. Some fool says he is a "Vishnupada" and Narayana Maharaja follows such fool's ideas. Of course, in India we have a fool like Sai Baba and many common people are so brainless they think he is God. Narayana Maharaja in 1986 endorsed the GBC when they said that a known homosexual pedophile is Vishnupada, and Narayana Maharaja became the lead cheerleader and apologist for that group of idiots. He said: they are gurus. And he still does, they are gurus, but they fell down.

* Yasodanandan dasa: Interestingly, Srila Prabhupada also gave His own version of what happened to many of the post-1936 Gaudiya Matha acharyas, or so-called acharyas, that Narayan Maharaj gives here. This is Srila Prabhupada, on August 15, 1976: "He, before passing away, namely Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur, founder of the Gaudiya Math, before passing away, He gave them all directions. And He never said that this man should be the next acharya. But, these people, after He passed away, began to fight, who shall be the next acharya? That is the failure. They never thought, 'Guru Maharaja gave us instruction on so many things, why He did not say, that this man should be the next acharya'? They wanted to create somebody artificially as acharya and everything failed. They did not even consider common sense, that if Guru Maharaj had wanted to appoint somebody as acharya, why He did not say? He said so many things, and this point he missed? The main point, and they insisted on it, they declared, 'Come on unfit persons to become acharya.' And then another man comes, another man comes. So, it is better to remain a foolish person perpetually to be directed by Guru Maharaj. So that is perfection. And as soon as it was announced that Guru Maharaj is dead, now I am so advanced that I can kill Guru, and I become Guru. Then he's finished." This is from a conversation in Bombay, August 15th 1976, India.

So it is clear conclusion that Srila Prabhupada did not accept Narayan Maharaj's version, that anybody and their brother can become acharya after the departure to the Guru. And this is the same idea that is propagated by the GBC in the post 1977 Iskcon. Now, the second portion here, we will have a review of the article published by Nayrayan Maharaja called, "Taking Srila Prabhupada straight," that was written by His Holiness Bhagavat Maharaja, who claims to be a disciple of Bhakti Pramode Puri Maharaja of the Gaudiya Math.

* Puranjana dasa: We'll, let's see, the first problem with him is that he's saying he doesn't want to commit any Vaisnava aparada, he's trying to write from a neutral point of view, and he doesn't want to make anyone feel attacked or offended at heart, however, he then launches into some severe criticisms of Srila Prabhupada in his letter. He says that the 1936 homosexual guru program is bona fide. Very offensive. So, he's offending Prabhupada and he's almost admitting that from the outset saying, I don't want to offend anyone, but, nonetheless, I'm going to go ahead and do so.

* Yasodanandan dasa: We see on page number one, in the last paragraph at the bottom of the page of this article, where this Swami quotes, "It does not matter if so-called guru is in good standing according to your Iskcon or GBC rules. It has been seen that by following the instructions of your GBC, many innocent devotes have been cheated by accepting someone as their guru who has never been qualified to accept disciples. The most recent example is that of your Harikesh Maharaj, which proves my point very clearly. You should not turn the devotes into slaves of the GBC."

Well, as much as we can agree with some of the points here, there seems to be a misunderstanding and a misrepresentation. First of all, none of these GBC gurus were ever authorized by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada to act in the position of diksha gurus in the first place. They took that position on their own, they declared themselves as acharya by themselves. Prabhupada never authorized them to act as diksha guru. This is the first misconception that this Swami here seems to misunderstand to start with. And another point on page number 2, he seems to support the idea of re-initiation. He says, "According to Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur, he should not disrespect his previous guide, but should, with due respect search for a real initiation. This previous initiation is to be considered as Abhasa, (?) a faint presence, and it is strictly necessary to accept initiation in the real sense in order to begin doing real Bhajanakriya." Well, with all due respect to the Swami and his ideas, we find that Prabhupada never accepted this idea of taking two initiations, or three initiations, or re-initiation, of double-initiation, whatever people want to call it. Because these Iskcon gurus were only authorized to act as Srila Prabhupada's representatives of the Acharya, in the capacity as ritvik representatives, and they were never authorized to accept own disciples in the capacity of diksha gurus. They did this on their own, without authority from Srila Prabhupada.

* Puranjana dasa: His whole platform is ridiculous. He says that many innocent people were cheated by accepting the GBC's gurus, but his best pal Narayana Maharaja has been the GBC "guru" cheater's biggest backer for years together. Narayana Maharja has said, for years together, that Tamal was never a GBC or a ritvik, he is intended to be the next guru. So Narayana Maharaja is one of the biggest leaders of the cheater's party. But he always forgets to tell us, when was Tamal made a guru? Who made him the guru? The Cheerios company? And you accept that contrived certification? Narayana Maharaja walks around saying: this one is a guru, that one is a guru, but he never tells us, who made these fools and idiots into gurus? Well we all know who did, he did. He is the lead scholar of the cheaters. He is their defender lawyer, and he defedended them all along.

Even recently, Narayana Maharaja got very angry when Gauridasa Pandit suggested that these GBC were never intended to be gurus, but only agents. Narayana Maharaja is always very aggressive on this point, he says there is no such thing as worship of the pure devotee like Srila Prabhupada, a ritvik system, rather this is a deviation from shastra. He has said this a million times, that worship of Srila Prabhupada is bogus and not found in shastra? Of course if you ask him if the GBC's worship of homosexuals as Vishnupada is bona fide, he has been in full agreement? So Narayana Maharaja is one of the main creators of this cheating. And he still says that gurus fall down --and have this homosex? So he has created this cheating, supported this cheating, and he still will not clarify that this is cheating, rather he still insists that gurus fall down and engage in homosex with men and boys, as he has said very recently. So not only is Narayana Maharaja a big cheater, he is spreading deadly diseases like AIDS in the name of the eternal guru parampara. Even to children? So he is the worst cheater, and he is even worse than the GBC because he is from the India culture and he knows better than to say that homosexuality is found in the guru. Of course, some of these Gaudiya Matha gurus were homosexuals, so birds of a feather defend each other. One boy was molested by a Gaudiya Matha "guru" in Vrindavana, so this cheating has been going on since the 1930s.

Anyway, on page one, section two, Bhagavata Maharaja says that a person may want to get a higher instruction from another Vaisnava, but it may happen that his diksha guru will not give him approval. In other words, he's talking again about these bogus Iskcon GBC being diksha gurus. But, the Maharaj never has explained, how did these people become diksha gurus in the first place? Narayana Maharaj and various members of the Gaudiya Math are always walking around saying that Tamal Krsna and other GBC are diksha gurus, but they've never explained, not one of them has ever explained, how did they become diksha gurus? So, they've just gone along with the lying and cheating of the GBC, this so-called self appointed acharya syndrome which occured in the Gaudya Math. So, diksha means, di - pure divyan jnanam, and ksha - a person can also absorb all the sins of the follower. In other words, this can only be done by a pure devote. A pure devote can give pure divyam jnanam, and a pure devote is powerful enough to absorb the sins. They have not even studied the etymology of the word. Worse, now they're also saying that these GBC people are kanista adhikary, so how can a kanista adhikary give pure divyan jnanam and destroy the sins of his followers, when he can't even destroy his own sins? They are cheating.

pt.4 - Puranjana dasa: (Continued) He (Bhagavat Maharaja) says here, "You have also stated that His Holiness Narayan Maharaj's approach is significantly different from that of your Srila Prabhupada, and that he is not a shiksa disciple of your founder-Acharya. Does that mean that one who differs in details in the line of guru is not an advanced Vaisnava?"

What? We are not discussing a superficial, peripheral, or detail issue, but the root issue. If a "diksha guru" is having illicit sex, even homosex, even pedophile homosex, and so on and so forth, he's not a diksha guru. He's not Krsna's representative. Narayan Maharaj immediately argues, yes, these homosexuals are or were diksha gurus, and they were Krsna's representatives, but they fell down. Indeed, one of Narayana Maharaja's biggest followers, Puru dasa, still argues that Kirtanananda, a homosexual pedophile who is in jail for various felony crimes, is still a person whose "guru" status should not be challenged!

This is not a detail, this is the whole basis of the Krsna consciousness philosophy. The Acharya is a pure devotee. Narayan Maharaj does not agree. He says that Tirtha Maharaj, Madhva Maharaj, Sridhar Maharaj, founder of the 1936 homosex sampradaya and so on, are all acharyas. And Bhagavat Maharaj later on herein says, that Ananta Vasudeva was also an acharya, and he is another homosexual. So, these deviants are not Vaisnava acharyas. This is not a detail, this is a basis of the whole philosophy of Krsna consciousness.

Yasodanandan dasa: I find it somewhat ironic that one page number two Bhagavat Maharaj says, "We do not disrespect Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaj but you, yourself, are doing it to Him. We just want to warn you, so that you will not commit any offences against your own Guru by misunderstanding His teachings." Well, first of all, what's significant here, is that you again, the swami addresses Prabhupada not by His name, but by the name, "Swami Maharaj." Again. So, if anybody is starting to commit offences, that's him. But besides that point, to say "We just want to warn you...," well let's take that the other way. We'd also like to warn you. You have substantially misunderstood many points, as was described previously, about the issue of who is a bona-fide Acharya, and how this is supposed to be applied in the institution.

I mean we've already seen earlier how we've quoted from Narayan Maharaj's support of the GBC "gurus," also by his citing other unauthorized persons as gurus, but these same people are individuals our Srila Prabhupada had rejected as gurus. Srila Prabhupada claimed that these persons had disobeyed the instructions of their guru, that these persons were responsible for disobeying the order of their guru maharaj, and they unauthorizedly appointed a false acharya. Yet Narayan Maharaj has been supporting these known deviants --as acharyas? And here is another person supporting their idea, Bhagavata Mahraja. So, it would seem to me, as much as we take his comments to warn Rabidra Swarup and the GBC, which in a fair sense they could use quite a few warnings themselves, but as far as this person thinking that he's going to straighten everybody out, we can't agree with his ideas in the first place.

Puranjana dasa: We do not agree for starters, with his bogus idea that homosexuals or even pedophiles posing as Krishna's successors is a minor point of detail as was supported by Narayana Maharaja, Sridhara Maharaja and others? This is a minor detail issue? Children are being forced to worship homosexual pedophiles as good as God, and this is some minor trivial nuisance factor? A trifle? Negligible? Petty? A homosexual pedophile is being juxtaposed with the level of Jesus, and this is some minor insignificant issue that can be ignored? Well maybe, but at the peril of your children and your society's reputation?

He goes on to say, "I do not think that His Holiness Narayan Maharaj is claiming to be your authorized spiritual master. It was your own GBC who chose him to be an authorized spiritual master." Well, we might ask, who is the GBC then? They also chose Bhagavan, Ramesvara, Bhavanada and others to be their acharyas. So, who cares who the GBC chooses as a guru? He goes on, "Previously, they had done the same thing with Sridhar Bhakti Rakshaka-sudha Maharaj, it seems ridiculous that you do not understand that shiksa, diksha gurus, must always be kept on the same level. So, just as you cannot reject Srila Swami Maharaj, you and the GBC cannot reject Sila Shridhar Maharaj or His Holiness Narayan Maharaj due to the fact that you have yourselves given them this position." OK? So, our question is, but who are the GBC? Who are the GBC to decide who is a guru? And why are we worried about who they think are acharyas? Just because the GBC says that homosexual pedophiles are gurus, we should really take into consideration their rubber stamp as important? Why?

And didn't Sridhar Maharaj also say that Tamal and company are acharyas? Didn't he misunderstand the acharya in 1936? So, why should we go to people who have such a gross misunderstanding of the acharya, to understand, what is an acharya? And they have rubber stamped so many homosexuals and even pedophiles as gurus, and this is where we need to go to uncover the real guru tattva? We think not.



reply: angel108b@yahoo.com
quoted from Pada Newsletter

June 16, 2002

STRANGE ALLIANCE FORMING

Just when you thought the GBC was going to jettison "Narayana Maharaja" some of the GBC have once again started to become his dedicated groupies once again. Like Giriraja swami, who was reportedly in Badger recently. Narayana Maharaja, we may recall, emerged around 1986 as the GBC's primary: advisor, "rasika guru," cheerleader, scriptural lawyer," and so on. NM has certainly been vociferously clamoring that the GBC should NOT be viewed as mere priests or administrators (pada's view). Rather NM has said that the GBC should be viewed as full fledged "gurus" to be worshipped as a sort of Jesus-like saints. This simply proves that Narayana Maharaja has never taken the trouble to read the Bible, or else he would know by now that his homosexual pals on the GBC are not to be equated with "gurus" and worshipped like Jesus, as he has vigorously fomented. In sum, Narayana Maharaja has been a staunch advocate for the GBC's "enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophile's regime."

Yet, around 1993, NM was (de facto) sort of identified as a "demon who was trying to takeover ISKCON" by the GBC itself. And perhaps there may be something to that, since why else would he endorse a party that says homosexual pedophiles are "gurus" who should be worshipped like Jesus? He certainly has compromised integrity, or else he has got only got a limited view of how things work. In any case, as for the GBC, the more likely scenario is that some GBC were "always" NM's groupies, and as such, their continued alliance with him is simply re-surfacing from time to time. And now in ISKCON temples like Berekely, the Narayana Maharaja folk are alleged to be "taking over the temple." The temple authorities there are certainly allowing NM's biggest preachers like Kritakarma and others to openly recruit NM followers and disciples right there at the Berkeley temple's doorstep. And this has been going on for almost a year now. Now it turns out, at least according to a report, that this is because Berkeley temple's manager, Harivilas dasa, is also sort of "letting this go on." Read: He has some sympathy for the Narayana Maharaja camp, and so he allows them to recruit for his new disciples there.

The good news is that this means that the "poison case" is now being activley forwarded in Berkeley ISKCON's temple. After all, Narayana Maharaja has said that Srila Prabhupada was indeed saying he was being poisoned (by a GBC plot). NM also refuses to eat the GBC's feasts, since he says they may use such "feasts" to kill him with poison as well. Moreover some of NM's followers are actively pursuing the poison case. So this means that Berkeley temple is perhaps number one in ISKCON in promoting that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned by the GBC. Of course, apart from that, NM says that the GBC are less than kanisthas (neophytes), they are motivated, they are fools, and he is even alleged to have said they are monkeys, and so on and sor forth, so again this is all good news in that NM (finally: better late than never) is discrediting the GBC's guru regime. Oddly NM still insists the GBC were appointed as gurus and not priests, since he still has great attachment for his idea that homosexual pedophiles are, were, or could have been Jesus-like saints. Of course that means he never learned that gurus are not appointed, that appointed priests are not appointed gurus, and so on. "They were not appointed as priests," NM not only still says that, he gets quite angry when we challenge his pedophile "guru" ideas.

Anyway, the bad news is: this means that the GBC is still aligned with the Gaudiya Matha, just as they were in 1978. thanks pd

please also see:

Narayana Maharaja - Demigod or Demon ?
Narayan Maharaja's Teachings Opposed To Srila Prabhupada
Discussion On Narayana Maharaja Special


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