Narayana Maharajas claim of being IskCon and
being the founder/ acarya of IskCon
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Narayana Maharaja: You should know
one thing. ISKCON was first established by catur-mukha (four-headed) Brahma.
He is our first guru. He is the original founder-acarya of ISKCON, and his disciples
like Sanaka, Sanandana, Sanatana, Sanat-kumara, and Narada are real ISKCON preachers.
After them, especially in Kali-yuga, Madhvacarya, Ramanuja, Visnuswami, Nimbaditya,
and so many others appeared. In our line (the Gaudiya Sampradaya), especially
in Kali-yuga, Sri Madavendra Puri is the root, the seed. His disciples are Srila
Isvara Puripada and Nityananda Prabhu, from Isvara Puripada came Sri Caitanya
Mahaprabhu, and from Him came Svarupa Damodara. Then, after them, Srila Bhaktivinoda
Thakura and Srila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Thakura appeared
in their line, and they are also part of the real ISKCON. All these are ideal
ISKCON personalities, and you should always be aware of this.
At the time of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Thakura, Srila Sarasvati
Thakura was the president of ISKCON. He sent one arm, Srila Prabhupada Bhaktivedanta
Swami Maharaja, who was given sannyasa by Srila Bhakti Prajnana Kesava Gosvami
Maharaja, and who then gave ISKCON its English name [Previously it was called
by different names, like Gaudiya Vedanta Samiti, Gaudiya Matha, Visva Vaisnava
Raja Sabha, and Krsna-bhakti-rasa bhavitah mati.] Your Prabhupada, Srila Swami
Maharaja, only changed the name into English. He is not the founder-acarya of
that eternal ISKCON. [Srila Prabhupada sometimes said he was the founder-acarya
for two reasons: for management and legal purposes, and also for the faith of
his young disciples who would not have understood another presentation at that
time.] The founder-acarya is originally Brahma, and it was actually established
by Krsna.
[The following are two of the many quotes by Srila Prabhupada in this regard:
"It is not that, 'Bhaktivedanta Swami has brought this.' They say. They give
me the credit. That is my good fortune also. But actually I am just like a peon.
I have brought, but I am delivering it without any adulteration. That may be
my credit. And if you take it without any adulteration and practice it, then
your life is successful. (Aug 3, 1975)"
"The Hare Krsna movement is not a new movement as people sometimes mistakenly
think. The Hare Krsna movement is present in every millennium of Lord Brahma's
life, and the holy name is chanted in all the higher planetary systems, including
Brahmaloka and Candraloka, not to speak of Gandharvaloka and Apsaroloka. The
sankirtana movement that was started in this world five hundred years ago by
Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is therefore not a new movement. Sometimes, because
of our bad luck, this movement is stopped, but Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and His
servants again start the movement for the benefit of the entire word or, indeed,
the entire universe."
(SB 7.15.72 purp.)]
All of you who are following this disciplic succession are ISKCON. Don't think
that you are not. I am ISKCON. I'm not different from ISKCON. I am 'Bhaktivedanta'
. Like father, like son. I am the real successor of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami
Maharaja, and there is no other. You should know this very openly.
I am Bhaktivedanta and he is Bhaktivedanta, but he received this name after
I did. I'm senior to him in this regard. By my request he became ready to take
sannyasa, and my Guru Maharaja gave sannyasa to him. I was like the priest at
his sannyasa ceremony. I performed the fire sacrifice, I made his danda and
I taught him how to wear his sannyasa garments. Although he is junior to me
and I'm senior to him in sannyasa, he is my siksa-guru. I'm his disciple. I'm
Bhaktivedanta, and I'm also ISKCON. Don't think that I'm out of ISKCON.
Prapujyacarana Sri Srimad Bhaktiraksaka Sridhara Maharaja, Srila Madhava Maharaja,
and other bona fide disciples of Srila Sarasvati Thakura are also in ISKCON.
You may know that Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja has said, "Pujyapada Sridhara
Maharaja is my siksa-guru." Those who have the false ego that dictates, "We
are ISKCON, and all others are not ISKCON," are very easily going down. They
are not really ISKCON if they do not accept and respect all our gurus. You should
always respect all those who have taken shelter of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, whether
they are initiated or not. Give them proper respect. This is the idea of real
ISKCON.
Don't think, "He is a disciple of someone other than my gurudeva." Don't be
sectarian, like a closed box. Be open. Give respect to all those who chant Hare
Krsna and accept Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, Nityananda Prabhu, and our guru-parampara.
I've come to tell you all these truths.
I'm happy that all local and other devotees here are coming and honoring all
Vaisnavas in Caitanya Mahaprabhu's family. Always respect those who have this
idea. Don't quarrel, as some devotees are now quarreling amongst themselves.
Giving respect to each other, and come together at least for festivals, on days
like Krsna Janmastami, and Mahaprabhu's birthday. Invite everyone, give classes
to each other, remember the words of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Srila Rupa
Gosvami, and try to follow them. If you do that, you will not fall down. If
you don't, you may fall.
Transcribers:
Raghunatha dasa Adhikari and Jagad Mohini dasi
Editor: Sri Syamarani dasi
Typist: Sri Radhika dasi
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Narayana
Maharaja Mathura, October 24, 1999:
"We can glorify Swamiji, Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja. But those who are falling
down, how can they glorify him? They cannot glorify him, never; they are cutting.
They are establishing that he was the founder of ISKCON, but
I know that he was not founder,
he was one of the members of this in guru parampara. It was founded by Krishna,
and first acarya was Brahma, then Narada, then Vyasa. Only he has changed the
name and he has preached these things in Western countries."
Narayana
Maharaja Murwillumbah, Australia: Feb. 18, 2002 (eve):
"Your Prabhupada, Srila Swami Maharaja, only changed the name into English.
He is not the founder-acarya of that eternal ISKCON... I am ISKCON. I'm
not different from ISKCON. I am 'Bhaktivedanta' [Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana
Gosvami Maharaja]. Like father, like son. I
am the real successor of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja,
and there is no other.
You should know this very openly. I am Bhaktivedanta and he is Bhaktivedanta,
but he received this name after I did. I'm senior to him in this regard...
I'm Bhaktivedanta, and I'm also ISKCON. Don't think that I'm out of ISKCON."
Narayana Maharaja 28th April 1999, morning, Caracas:
"Also you should know that Caitanya Mahaprabhu is the founder of ISKCON. Swamiji,
AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja is one of the prominent acaryas in this line
only. He is not founder; he's one of the prominent acaryas, who spread all these
things [over] whole world, in a very short time. Though Prabhupada Srila Bhaktisiddhanta
Sarasvati himself could not come here, and he sent Swami Bhaktivedanta Swami
Maharaja here. So Swamiji is one of the hands of Srila Prabhupada. It is not
that Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja is also father and forefather of Srila
Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Thakura. We should try to realize all these
things. He was one hand, one hand, he was one hand, and that hand was so long
that it traveled [over the] whole world, that long hand. But for this you should
not minimize all other acaryas who have not come here, but more qualified
they were. Like parama pujyapada Sridhara Maharaja, Gosvami Maharaja, my
Guru Maharaja, to whom this Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja used to make, used
to honor like siksa-guru."
Narayana Maharaja Murwillumbah, Australia: Feb. 18, 2002 (eve):
"I
am the real successor of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, and there is no
other."
Narayana Maharaja: So
I want to say that your Prabhupada has given these things...only these things...and
not beyond these things. Then he was only the servant of Mahavisnu, not of Krishna.
Bhakta George: In Sri Krsna-Sanhita Bhaktivinode
Thakur gives a listing of the types of devotees who are asslike.
Among those devotees are the servants of Vishnu so SNM is saying that Srila
Prabhupada is an asslike devotee. The fact of the matter is that SNM is
a liar when he says that he considers Srila Prabhupada to be his siska guru
and that he is envious of Srila Prabhupada.
Devotee:
The way ISKCON has presented that "Mahavishnu" quote is disingenuous, to say
the least. There are good reasons to be worried about Narayana Maharaja's sangha...
but to use that (mis)quoted conversation only undermines ISKCON's credibility.
There are a couple of "if" statements missing from the ISKCON transcription
in this deceitful paper. If you look at an accurate transcript of that full
conversation, you can see plainly that SNM was saying that because Srila Prabhupada
is a rasika-bhakta, absorbed in conjugal mellows and able to distribute that,
then he was no mere servant of Mahavishnu, and that those who deny his rasika
status are the ones who are insulting their gurudeva by implicitly calling him
a servant of Mahavishnu.
Frankly, both "sides" in this dispute have shown themselves
quite willing to lie, cheat, mislead and generally act in a profoundly non-Vaishnava
manner. These deceitful papers, back and forth, will surely drive sincere devotees
away from BOTH camps.
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Quote: "Prabhupada did not actually establish Iskcon. Yes,
He did incorporate ISKCON as a legal entity. Iskcon was established by Brahma,
and by Krsna Himself. Brahma is one of the four sampradaya gurus, and he established
Iskcon by the mercy of Krsna. Narada is the first Iskcon member"
Which rascal says that Iskcon was NOT founded by Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada: "Yes, I am the Spiritual Master of this institution, and ALL the members of the Society, they're supposed to be MY disciples.
Urdhvaga das: Nararan Maharaja's claim to being IskCon is quite preposterous.
Srila Prabhupada called himself the "Founder-Acharya" of ISKCON, not the Acharya of the ISKCON.
Srila Prabhupada: "Yes, I am the Spiritual Master of this institution, and ALL the members of the Society, they're supposed to be MY disciples. They follow the rules and regulations which I ask them to follow, and they are INITIATED by me spiritually. So therefore the Spiritual Master is called Guru. That is Sanskrit language." (Srila Prabhupada Radio Interview March 12, 1968, San Francisco)
Note here Srila Prabhupada clearly claims ALL members of the INSTITUTION as his disciples - not only those who are connected with his physical presence. Thus Srila Prabhupada's position as Guru is linked to the existence of the ISKCON institution, and not the existence of Srila Prabhupada's physical body.
In 1966, Srila Prabhupada incorporated the International Society for Krishna Consciousness in New York. The Articles of Incorporation state, "A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami is the Founder-Acharya of ISKCON. No one else may ever occupy that position."
In Srila Prabhupadas books also it is STRESSED: His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada *Founder*-Acarya of the International Society For Krishna Consciousness. And below Srila Prabhupadas signature, he always personally wrote: Swami A. C. Bhaktivedanta Founder-Acarya International Society for Krishna Consciousness
Founder* HYPEN* Acarya means that Srila Prabhupada is NOT ONLY the Founder BUT ALSO the Acarya of ISKCON. It is also Srila Prabhupadas desire to REMAIN at the centre so all devotees take the advantage of receiving diksa from his Divine Grace.
67-02-11. Letter: Kirtanananda I wish that each and every Branch shall keep their independent identity and cooperate keeping the Acarya in the centre. On this principle we can open any number of Branches all over the world. The Ramakrishna mission works on this principle and thus as organization they have done wonderfully.
Srila Prabhupada always wanted that his position as Founder-Acarya of ISKCON be undertood by all. The use of the title "acaryadeva" by Hridayananda (the god of the acaryas) shows Hridayanandas arrogance, disrespect and envy to Srila Prabhupada.
Srila prabhupada: "There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaishnavas in this Krishna Consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. A false acarya may try to override a vaishnava by a high-court decision, (2/3 hand vote) but Bhaktivinoda Thakura says that he is nothing but a disciple of Kali-yuga.".
"Bhaktivinoda Thakura says, Kali-cela. He indicates that there are other Vaishnavas, pseudo-Vaishnavas, with tilaka on their nose and kunti beads around their neck. Such a pseudo-Vaishnava associates with money and women and is jealous of successful Vaishnavas. Although passing for a Vaishnava, his only business is earning money in the dress of a Vaishnava". (CC.Madhy.,Ch.1, Text 218 / 220, purport)
Gaudiya Math Gurus / Acaryas
exposed by Srila prabhupada
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Prabhupada: My Guru Maharaja used to
say, "WHEN our men will be sahajiya, he will be MORE DANGEROUS."
Satsvarupa: Our own men.
Prabhupada: Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati
Thakura, he said that "WHEN OUR MEN WILL BE SAHAJIYA, OH, THEY'LL BE
MORE DANGEROUS." SO OUR MEN ARE BECOMING, SOME OF THEM, SAHAJIYAS. This very
word he said, that "WHEN our men will be sahajiyas he'll be MORE DANGEROUS."
Note: what was to follow was at the time of Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura's disappearance was a scheme to invent "acaryas" by nomination. Prabhupada BEGS with humility for the devotees to see the sense. BUT as history shows and as Prabhupada predicts In the Isopanisad 12 they WILL NOT LISTEN. The GBC disobeyed Prabhupada and created a self made guru system of nomination (voting) of 2/3 majority. They do not address themselves as acaryas yet? BUT they want to be worshiped as good as God the prerogative which is offered ONLY to the acarya. Otherwise what is the meaning of this so-called gurus Photos on the altar and Vyasa puja for? This shows just how much they envied Prabhupada because of the position of acarya he held. The honest position of the ritvik allows them to stem their lust for power.
SPL 74-04-28 Rupanuga
If Guru Maharaja could have seen someone who was qualified at that time to be
acarya he would have mentioned. Because on the night before he passed away he
talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya. HIS
IDEA WAS ACARYA WAS NOT TO BE NOMINATED AMONGST THE GOVERNING BODY.
He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst
the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would
be automatically selected. So Sridhara Maharaja and his two associate gentlemen
unauthorizedly selected one acarya and later it proved a failure. THE
RESULT IS NOW EVERYONE IS CLAIMING TO BE ACARYA EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY BE KANISTHA
ADHIKARI WITH NO ABILITY TO PREACH. IN SOME OF THE CAMPS THE ACARYA IS BEING
CHANGED THREE TIMES A YEAR. THEREFORE WE MAY NOT COMMIT THE SAME MISTAKE IN
OUR ISKCON CAMP. ACTUALLY AMONGST MY GODBROTHERS NO ONE IS QUALIFIED TO BECOME
ACARYA. So it is better not to mix with my Godbrothers very intimately
because instead of inspiring our students and disciples they may sometimes pollute
them.
Isopasisad Text 12
The Lord states that as soon as one reaches Him by devotional service--which
is the one and only way to approach the Personality of Godhead--one attains
complete freedom from the bondage of birth and death. In other words, the path
of salvation from the material clutches fully depends on the principles of knowledge
and detachment gained from serving the Lord. THE PSEUDO
RELIGIONISTS HAVE NEITHER KNOWLEDGE NOR DETACHMENT FROM MATERIAL AFFAIRS, FOR
MOST OF THEM WANT TO LIVE IN THE GOLDEN SHACKLES OF MATERIAL BONDAGE UNDER THE
SHADOW OF PHILANTHROPIC ACTIVITIES DISGUISED AS RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES.
By a false display of religious sentiments, they present a show of devotional
service while indulging in all sorts of immoral activities.
IN THIS WAY THEY PASS AS SPIRITUAL MASTERS AND DEVOTEES OF GOD. Such
violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas,
the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession. THEY
IGNORE THE VEDIC INJUNCTION ACARYOPASANA--"ONE MUST WORSHIP THE ACARYA"--and
Krsna's statement in the Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam, "This supreme
science of God is received through the disciplic succession." INSTEAD,
TO MISLEAD THE PEOPLE IN GENERAL THEY THEMSELVES BECOME SO-CALLED ACARYAS, BUT
THEY DO NOT EVEN FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLES OF THE ACARYAS. These rogues are
the most dangerous elements in human society. Because there is no religious
government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however,
escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gita
that envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into
the darkest regions of hell (Bg. 16.19-)
SRI ISOPANISAD CONFIRMS THAT THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION.
The pseudo religionists have neither knowledge nor detachment
from material affairs, for most of them want to live in the golden shackles
of material bondage under the shadow of philanthropic activities disguised as
religious principles. By a false display of religious sentiments, they present
a show of devotional service while indulging in all sorts of immoral activities.
In this way they pass as spiritual masters and devotees of God. Such violators
of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy
teachers in the strict disciplic succession.
THEY IGNORE THE VEDIC INJUNCTION ACARYOPASANA--"ONE MUST WORSHIP THE ACARYA"--and
Krsna's statement in the Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam, "This supreme
science of God is received through the disciplic succession." Instead, to mislead
the people in general they themselves become so-called acaryas, but they do
not even follow the principles of the acaryas. These rogues are the most dangerous
elements in human society. Because there is no religious government, they escape
punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of
the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gita that envious demons
in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest
regions of hell (Isopanisad 12)
SRI ISOPANISAD CONFIRMS THAT THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION. (Bg.16.19-20)
(Note: they do NOT recognise the superior unique position of Prabhupada, acarya
gives diksa to madhyam adhikari see antya lila 4.192-194) therefore competition
envy of Prabhupada leads to splicing tapes and concoction of 2\3 majority voted
"guru" BUSINESS FRANCHISE club.)
Arrogance, pride, anger, conceit, harshness and ignorance--these
qualities belong to those of demoniac nature, O son of Prtha. (Bg 16.4)
"In this verse, the royal road to hell is described. The demoniac want to make
a show of religion and advancement in spiritual science, although they do not
follow the principles. They are always arrogant and proud in possessing some
type of education or so much wealth. THEY DESIRE TO BE
WORSHIPED BY OTHERS, AND DEMAND RESPECTABILITY, ALTHOUGH THEY DO NOT COMMAND
RESPECT. Over trifles they become very angry and speak harshly, not gently.
THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT SHOULD BE DONE AND WHAT SHOULD NOT
BE DONE. THEY DO EVERYTHING WHIMSICALLY, ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN DESIRE, AND
THEY DO NOT RECOGNIZE ANY AUTHORITY. These demoniac qualities are taken
on by them from the beginning of their bodies in the wombs of their mothers,
and as they grow they manifest all these inauspicious qualities." (Bg 16.4 Pp.)
Jackals who imitate Prabhupada's unique position of being worshiped as acarya (as good as God) who want their photos put on alter and their socks worhiped MUST be exposed----Prabhupada's order.
Narayana Maharaj defeated
I met narayan maharaja,
I defeated narayan maharaja,
I challenged him to explain why he, sridhar maharaja, and fifty others boycotted srila prabhupada's first mayapur festival in 1972.
He became very upset, told an unsupportable lie that he was in mathura, not nabadwip during gaura purnima that year, and then when i told him that puri maharaja had gone there on sp's request to invite him to join us all in mayapur, he screamed three times that "puri maharaja is a liar"!
So, he may have contempt for sp, and claim that he was "bhaktivedanta" first.......but how can he blaspheme puri maharaja. who was an innocent bystander who's only "crime" ws stop invite him and srila prabupada's godbrothers to join us at the first mayapur festival.
If he wants to represent that sp is his "shiksha guru" or "priya
bhandu"......... then that is a truly "crappy" way to treat him!
He should be ashamed.
NNV das
I have no need to lie about narayan maharaja.
his weaknesses and venality are an open book for all to see.
Devotee: The way ISKCON has presented that "Mahavishnu" quote is disingenuous, to say the least. There are good reasons to be worried about Narayana Maharaja's sangha... but to use that (mis)quoted conversation only undermines ISKCON's credibility. There are a couple of "if" statements missing from the ISKCON transcription in this deceitful paper. If you look at an accurate transcript of that full conversation, you can see plainly that SNM was saying that because Srila Prabhupada is a rasika-bhakta, absorbed in conjugal mellows and able to distribute that, then he was no mere servant of Mahavishnu, and that those who deny his rasika status are the ones who are insulting their gurudeva by implicitly calling him a servant of Mahavishnu.
Frankly, both "sides" in this dispute have shown themselves quite willing to lie, cheat, mislead and generally act in a profoundly non-Vaishnava manner. These deceitful papers, back and forth, will surely drive sincere devotees away from BOTH camps.
Damaghosa das: Years ago when Isa das and others set up VNN,
they published one lecture given by NM--It contained at least 7 major differences
in topic than what Srila Prabhupada had spoken or written to us.
I cut and pasted these 7 items from Prabhupada into a letter back to Isa das
along with the statements by his NM-side by side.
It was so obvious about the glaring differences in "opinion" between
NM and our Srila Prabhupada, that I asked Isa das to reply to my letter about
these contradictions. I also asked him to print my letter on VNN to him-he never
did.
His only reply back to me was--basically this--"sure I know about these
differences between the two, but you just have to meet NM, then you will "see"
how pure he is"....some words along that line .
So our Srila Prabhupada who is the chosen Senapati Bhakta of Lord Gauranga Mahaprabhu,
His field commander, or THE ONE who was chosen to distribute this sublime vedic
culture into the entire world.
And NM says, NO HE is the one who is the real "Bhaktivedanta".
As that old Vedic adage goes---"Judge by the result"---its good enough
for me and it STILL WORKS,
Hari bol
Damaghosa das
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