Dear pada. Hare bol.
I really cant believe all the abusive things you have said about my Guru Maharaj Narayan Maharaj. Don't you know he agrees with you about all the degradation in iskcon? Please dont criticise him. Believe me he is a holy man from the spiritual world. I'm not a fanatic, just a housewife who has the blessing of meeting a pure soul. Please open your heart. Offer your apolagies and respect. He will accept you as he's all merciful. ys L dd

Dear L dd,
Thanks very much for your letter of concern regarding Narayana Maharaja. Apparently you do not know that we have tried to "iron out our disagreements" with him over the years. We even went to Fullerton at Jadurani's behest to speak with the maharaja, because we wanted to work these issues out with him. First, we sent Narayana Maharaja a 23 page letter asking him some of our questions. Then, he replied, "We'll have to meet together in person to discuss these issues." Yet, when we actually came to meet him in person at Fullerton, he refused to talk to us.

And we waited the whole day there to talk to him, after driving two hours to get there. And he cancelled our meeting three times, then left the premises to go visit some Hindus -- who were going to give him some money, without his saying even one word to us. So it seems we are willing to discuss the issues and it is your party that is not willing to discuss. And actually, from Vedic viewpoint, that means Narayana Maharaja was defeated because he knew he would be unable to answer even one of our questions. Thus, he refused to allow any questions to be asked. If he cannot answer even one our questions, he is defeated, that is the law of Vedic debates.

First of all, Narayana Maharaja has been advertising his GBC friends as a bona fide lineage of "gurus." Thus, it is not only PADA who disagrees with him on this point over the past 25 years. For example, in 1988 John Hubner wrote "Murder, Madness and the Hare Krishnas." Therefore, most of the millions of members of the general public all over the United States, they ALL agree with PADA (and that 1988 book), that Narayana Maharaja's "gurus" are actually criminal "madmen." As such, his "gurus" are much more likely to be criminals than "Jesus-like messiahs." Yet in 1988 Narayana Maharaja was the then biggest cheerleader advocate of the GBC's guru lineage, and he was saying that his GBC guru pals are in fact messiah class "gurus," and that us critics are "poison." So NM did not want to unite Srila Prabhupada's followers under the banner of worship of the pure devotee, he wanted to break down ISKCON in factions that were worshipping criminals and pedophiles, as occured. And this is still the current imbroglio, which he helped cause. And worse, even in 1988 John Hubner and millions of Americans knew that NM was bogus because he was supporting madmen as "gurus."

Of course, even after NM finally admitted that he agreed with PADA, that Tamal's party poisoned Srila Prabhupada, he still wrote a long letter glorifying Tamal as one of the "greatest preachers in ISKCON." "Poisoning your guru" is the "greatest preaching"? Why does NM always says things like this? That means NM thinks Judas is the best preacher and disciple of Jesus, because he betrayed Jesus and helped Jesus get killed? Why does NM always think like this? No bona fide Vaishnavas EVER think that Judas is the best preacher and disciple of Jesus? Only NM says these things? This sounds like extreme offense to most of us to say, "Yes, here is the party that killed your guru, Srila Prabhupada, and they are my favorite pujyapada worshipped heros." Why does NM always say this? NOTICE! "Here are the guru killers, and they are my worshipped pujyapadas"? Unfortunately, this makes NM look like he was dancing on Srila Prabhupada's grave, with his pujyapada pal Tamal?

And then more of NM's folks were also writing about "Pujyapada Tamal" under NM's sway. So, the NM team says; "Tamal poisoned Srila Prabhupada," and yet, "Tamal is our worshipped hero, best preacher, pujyapada"? Of course, there are those who worship betrayer guru killers like Judas, and Tamal. So this is like going to a funeral saying, "The people who murdered your father are our pujyapada best preacher heros." Why does NM glorify Tamal AFTER admitting his party poisoned Srila Prabhupada? Because NM and Tamal are like minded? That is why they were inseperable twins for 15 years? After -- Srila Prabhupada was eliminated by NM's "pujyapada" hero? This is no accident, that NM and Tamal were inseperable twins, nor is it any accident that Dristadyumna, Tamal's right hand henchman, is being groomed as NM's next successor? Birds of a feather?

That means NM likes to glorify the killers of pure devotees as his "pujyapadas." We find this most upsetting. Of course NM calls Bon Maharaja his favorite pujyapada as well, since NM likes to glorify other deviants as his worshipped persons. Srila Prabhupada says Bon is an "envious black snake," so there is another person that NM likes to worship. Moreover, this is extremely insensitive? So this is not going to do NM any good with the Yamaduttas, for him to be glorifying the people he says are guru killers as his "best preachers." NM is in sum, the leader of a cult that worships Judas/ guru killers as his hero pujyapadas. "The Pharisees, Judas, Pontius Pilate, and the Roman soldiers who killed Jesus, they are all our best preacher pujyapadas." OK, the Yamaduttas will want to have a few words with you then sir! And they won't be nice words either! No one can glorify the people who kill pure devotees, NM is not excempt from this injunction at all. He is fully culpable.

So that means NM has some attraction for the poison snake Bon class, Judas class, Pontius Pilate class, guru poisoner class. And this seems pretty obvious because he was always sitting around and having tea and crumpets with Tamal's party, and NM still is because his new associate is Drstadyumna, Tamal's twin brother. And although NM finally admits his pujyapada pals poisoned Srila Prabhupada, he still writes a long letter glorifying Tamal, even after identifying Tamal as the main instigator in the poison case. And so has the Sridhara camp, Tripurari was crying buckets of tears that his favorite pedophile guru founder, Tamal, had died. So NM still has sympathy for the idea that even the poisoners of our guru are his greatest pujyapada preachers and saints. And actually, as another result of NM's saying that the GBC's pedophile pooja are bona fide pujyapadas, he is one of the persons who helped bring homosexual pedophiles into the gurukulas in the holy land of Vrindavana. We are told, that influence is still there, thanks in part to NM supporting that camp and importing that influence into the dham, through his pujyapda pedophile buddies. So this is another form of poison, poison guru, poison the holy dham, this is: pujyapada?

NM said that we have to worship homosexual pedophiles as Vishnupada in the holy dham, and anyone who objects is "poison ritvik." He has never wrote to tell us he thinks that is the wrong policy? He has never even apologized to his thousands of victims? He has never said word one to anyone about any of this in public, except he writes to say that the people who brought the pedophiles into the holy dham are his favorite pujyapda preachers? He is proud that he supported a child molester messiah cult? So, guru poisoners are his pujyapadas, molesters are his pujyapadas, and no, he has never publicly retracted any of this? NM was recently talking to Svarupa Damodara swami, another GBC lackey, and NM was saying he wants to join forces with the GBC. And how did you guess, because Svarupa Damodara is voted in as guru by pedophiles, NM calls him "pujyapada." Does NM want to join forces with those of us who do not worship pedophiles and poisoners as our pujyapadas? No. Anyone who is certified as guru by pedophiles is pujypada, and anyone who worships Srila Prabhupada is "poison."

NM was always a big fan of Tamal Krishna, whom many of us consider as the Judas of ISKCON. And NM himself says that Tamal is implicated in the poison case. From 1983-1993 Narayana Maharaja was constantly associating with Tamal, but we could not have associated with Tamal for one minute because we knew he was making his homosexual and pedophile pals into Vishnupada messiahs. And in 1993, when the GBC wanted to stop Tamal from association with NM, Tamal stood up and said, "But you can never remove NM from my heart." So, they were very close associates, even after it was clear that Tamal was establishing pedophiles as messiahs. And the only reason their party was broken up was that the ghost buster guru sector of Harikesha and Jayapataka wanted to establish their ghost busting program over NM's gopi lila program. Satsvarupa is also the person who always said that Kirtanananda is like Jesus, and NM said, Satsvarupa is my dearmost friend, .... because SDG thought that pedophiles are equal to Jesus, Haridasa thakur and Prahlad?

Why was NM supporting that group and teaching them "gopi rasika"? No one ever explains this to us? So pedophile pooja is pujyapada, murderers and poisoners are pujyapda, black snake Bon is pujyapda, but us worshippers of Srila Prabhupada, he calls us "ritvik poison." So NM has been trying to defy the general devotees and the public's opinion: that his gurus are actually criminal madmen and he has tried to paint them as bona fide/ messiah/ acharya/ Vishnupada/ gurus. Thus, in 1988 Narayana Maharaja was essentially saying that the book, "Murder and Madness" was wrong because his GBC guru lineage was actually bona fide and saintly. Yet even the ordinary public beer drinking Joe knew, even at that time, that Narayana Maharaja was wrong, that his lineage of gurus was in fact madmen criminals, and that the John Hubner's book is essentially, correct. Even the beer drinking Joe knew in 1988 that NM's Vishnupada/ pujyapadas were homosexuals, molesters, and murderers. That is because the beer drinking Joe is more advanced than NM, he knows that the guru has to be as pure as Jesus, and therefore NM's homosexuals and murderers are not gurus.

Moreover, most devotees think that Narayana Maharaja is a severe attacker of Krishna and Srila Prabhuada because he keeps saying that madmen, homosexuals, and pedophiles are (or were) Krishna's and Srila Prabhupada's "guru successors." So he is known by many folks as perhaps the worst insulter of Krishna and Srila Prabhupada on the planet, since no one else juxtaposes Krishna, Srila Prabhupada, ... with homosexuals and other deviants, the way that Narayana Maharaja has been doing since 1936. Worse, in 1988, Narayana Maharaja was then saying that these criminal madmen were qualified to hear about "the rasika pastimes of the gopis." And so he was lecturing to his "homosexual and murderer guru cult leaders" about "the colors of the gopis saris," when he should have been reading to these criminals "The lawbook of Manu" which describes the hellish future of such false gurus and especially homosexual and pedophile guru cults.

So once again, since 1936 Narayana Maharaja is always juxtaposing Krishna, the gopis, the acharyas, and his homosexual and pedophile "successors to God." Pujyapadas! No other bona fide acharyas have ever done this, ever, indeed even the regular person on the street does not insult God with by juxtaposing "God" with deviant "successors to God" like this. This is an insult to even us personally, if you say "a homosexual pedophile is the succesor to the PADA editor," that is an insult to us even, and what to speak of claiming this is God's successor? So every day Narayana Maharaja wakes up and he says, "How can I insult God worse than I did yesterday." Can I find a worse deviant to call "pujyapada"? How can I juxtapose worse criminal deviants as His successors? NM has no idea that God is pure and therefore His successors must also be pure, and that it is an offense to claim that the impure are "Krishna's successors." Of course, madmen in Bellevue always think that they or their friends are Jesus-like successors to God, that is the process of the mad person's thinking, as John Hubner pointed out in his 1988 book.

Apparently, NM does not understand the square one principle that Krishna and His successors are pure, because otherwise he would know that juxtaposing Krishna with criminal madmen and pedophiles is -- wrong. Yet NM wrote a "Guru Tattva" book saying, "there is nothing wrong" with juxtaposing homosexuals, child molesters, murderers, as "Krishna's successors." So NM has failed in the first point of understanding of Krishna consciousness, Krishna and His successors are pure. Instead, NM says there is "nothing wrong" with tossing in a mix of homosexuals, pedophiles, murderers, poisoners, etc. as "Krishna's successors." Of course, this may also mean that NM thinks Krishna is a murderous mad Bellevue fool, therefore His successors are of the same quality. NM has no idea whatsoever, who Krishna really is? Even monkeys behave better than Narayana Maharaja's "successors to Krishna." So Narayana Maharaja thinks that monkeys are more advanced than -- God or His pure successors. So Srila Prabhupada says that these Gaudiya Matha people are "motivated fools," no kidding.

We don't know what your personal opinion is here. Yet we actually fear God enough to know that we cannot walk around saying "there is nothing wrong" with saying that God's successors are perverts, murderers, drunkards, drug addicts, Bellevue patients, gay messiahs etc., the way your GBC/ Sridhara/ Narayana/ Tripurari clan is doing every single day since 1936. Even the atheists are not walking around insulting God on a regular daily basis by saying His successors are deviants, as your team is doing. So Narayana Maharaja is trying to defy the entire Vedic principle that the guru must be pure, as well as the general opinion of the mass of public: that the guru must be pure. So this is his first problem, he says that the impure, indeed even the "Murder, Madness and the Hare Krishna's" class are in fact "Vishnupada gurus." NM is wrong, because these GBC deviants are not, were not, and could not have been, gurus.

Everyone in the public already knows this, thus even the public knew better than NM regarding the qualities of a guru. In 1988, the whole USA public was saying, these GBC are dangeorus murderers, not gurus, while NM was saying, no, the GBC are Vishnupada acharyas? So the man in the public is much more advanced than he is! It gets worse, just after the news came in that Sulochana had been murdered in 1986, and that the GBC had reinstated a known homosexual pedophile as "Vishnupada," Narayana Maharaja was then sitting together with the GBC, smiling and patting them on the back. He was encouraging them that Sulochana was wrong, that Sulochana was a bogus fool crank "ritvik," and that the GBC were right to promote their ("Murder and Madness") gurus. So he has encouraged the beatings, murders and so on and so forth by saying the leaders of the devotee oppressors and murderers are "gurus."

Meanwhile everyone else, not just PADA, thinks that Narayana Maharaja is simply a madman himself because he is promoting other criminal madmen as his Jesus-like acharyas. And we also know that Narayana Maharaja has promoted Sulochana's murderer team, like Satsvarupa, as his personal friends and guru saints. So NM also (directly or indirectly) endorses murder to prop us his molester guru programs. We would say; NM has no authority to prop up molesters as his messiahs, and thus orchestrate murders of devotees? Nor does he have any authority to say that people who are objecting to his child molester guru cults are "poison," because he directly aids the molesters thereby, and he has generated murders of dissenters as well. He has no authority to be the cheerleader for a violent pedophile cult.

The good news is that nowadays we are finding that many of Narayana Maharaja's "gurus" are seeking "psychological counseling," "psychotropic drug therapy," and so on, because they are admitting that they are in fact Bellevue madmen, just as PADA and the 1988 book had said they were. Therefore Narayana Maharaja's story is like that of the Bellevue mental home where some madmen (Tamal et al.) think they are like Jesus. And then along comes another one of the madmen from that Bellevue mental home (Narayana Maharaja) and he agrees with the false messiah's proposal. And they all join together to try to form a cult based on the worship of Bellevue madmen as messiahs. So, this is the first problem we are having with Narayana Maharaja. In 1988, at the height of the guru "madness" of banning, beating, molesting, and murders (which was all well known common public knowledge because it was in the public media at the time) Narayana Maharaja was then saying that these "madmen" are actually the messiah category, the acharya category, the Krishna's successor "guru" category. And that they need to hear about the "rasika gopi pastimes" of Krishna. In sum, more madness.

So NM fed their ego madness all the more by saying they are not only as pure as Jesus, they are quite fit to join in with the conjugal pastimes of -- God! So NM simply -- increased -- their madness. This would be like reading about "the gopis" to Charles Manson in the criminal mental home, "Yes, not only are you another Jesus, you need to hear about the intimate conjugal love of God scriptures." NM has no authority to present "gopi lila" to mad criminal gurus? This is an extreme offense to the gopis, apart from all the other bad implications. Therefore, the banning, beating, molesting and murder program was empowered by NM to continue with more of those actions, so much so that a woman can still be beaten almost to death in Narayana Maharaja's back yard in Mathura/ Vrindavana even today (2004). He has empowered these mad criminal messiahs to be able to perform such foul deeds by his openly declaring -- that these criminals are his messiah gurus. He has never publicy declared otherwise?

He still says we are the bogus poison party (ritviks) because we oppose his "mad guru" Bellevue messiah program? So he is still trying to get us beaten up and killed. And he almost had some recent success with his "murder of devotees" program because he helped get one nice lady named Indulekha beaten up recently in Vrindavana with his propaganda that she is the evil deviant: because she opposes NM's mad pedophile guru project. NM still says she is an evil poison deviant, and this empowers his mad guru party to be able to beat and kill her. And Narayana Maharaja says, "That is right, nothing wrong here, beat her and even kill her because she wants to worship Srila Prabhupada and that means she is 'poison' (his direct word) because she will not worship our Bellevue mad murderer pedophile guru class." "Anyone who does not want to worship Narayana Maharaja's mad Bellvue gurus is 'poison.'" So says Narayana Maharaja himself, thus he is still encouraging beatings and murders with his vitriolic rhetoric. Notice: NM is still trying to get devotees beaten and murdered because he is still using these same vitriolic rhetoric terms, the same terms he used to get people beaten and killed after 1936 for not worshipping his "rectal and genital business" gurus then. And he says there is nothing wrong, when he gets Krishna's devotees beaten and killed, he is proud of that?

NM knows full well that by his saying that the devotees of Srila Prabhupada are "poison" he can get them beaten and killed, because that is how he got people beaten and killed in post 1936 India. So this is either a big mistake on his part, or it is his plan, to orchestrate the beating and killing of the devotees of the Lord. In any event, the shastra says that people like Narayan Maharaja will have to endure the sqeezing rollers of Yamaraja because -- no one has the authority to beat and kill the devotees of Krishna, or to orchestrate the same with vitriolic hyperbole rhethoric, as NM does. Not even NM himself has that authority. The shastra says that the attackers of the devotees of Krishna will not be excused in any circumstance. That is what shastra says, they will not be excused by any of the higher authorities in Krishna's chain of command, nevermind they have some big "swami" title. So NM might be an atheist if he does not believe in these statements of shastra, but the shastra is very clear, no one has the authority to have the devotees of Krishna beaten and killed, nor can one support a regime that is doing that. Shastra does not say, "No one can orchestrate violence to the devotees by supporting a Bellevue mad pedophile guru project, except Narayana Maharaja, he has the right to do that." No, there are no exceptions. NM is not reading the shastra, or he simply does not believe in the shastra.

So for starters, we do not think that Narayana Maharaja is authorized to encourage "the beating, molesting and murder of devotees program," as his idea of guru/ messiahs, as he has done since 1936. He has no authority to declare that the Bellevue madmen class are the Jesus-like messiah acharya class, and to juxtapose these levels together, and to then create murders, madness and so on, as he has done since 1936. In point of fact, Narayana Maharaja has no authority to orchestrate the killing of even us barking fox terrier category of devotees, what to speak of his encouraging the mass beatings, molesting and murders of many devotees program, as he has done since 1936. We are sorry to report that Krishna will punish these crimes quite severely. NM's idea that he is authorized to have us beaten, molested and assassinated by calling us Srila Prabhupada worshippers "poison" is in sum -- wrong headed from top to bottom. "The people who want to worship the pure devotee are posion," read: "You GBC child molester worshippers can go out there and ban, beat and kill them," as has occured with Narayana Maharaja's applauding the GBC devotee's oppressing and murdering party in approval. Of course, if one likes to worship NM's nice homosexual pedophiles in the holy dham project, then NM will smile, pat one on the back, embrace one as his long lost brother, and even glorify one as a big acharya, and so on.

Do not forget, NM even says "there is nothing wrong" when his party made another self-same "madness" homosexual guru program in 1936 and they also murdered dissenters. His plan resulted in "murders and madness" in 1936, and again after 1977. "Nothing wrong with that" NM says in his "Guru Tattva" booklet. There is "nothing wrong" with his supporting (as Sulochana called NM's "gurus") "baby raper gurus," and "nothing wrong" with his orchestrated murders of those who do not worship his "baby raper gurus," dissenters NM openly calls "poison" because they do not worship pedophiles as he is ordering us to do? Why is this "nothing wrong"? So Narayan Maharaja endorses "mad gurus" and their murderous regimes. And the poor devotees who opposed his mad homosexual guru in 1936 also had their their faces pushed into dog stools, their heads beaten in with bricks, and some did not survive, they were killed. And Narayana Maharaja simply says "there was nothing wrong" with this madness, beating and murder program. So he likes to see the devotees of the pure devotees beaten, shoved into dog stools, and killed.

Again, we would say: NM has no authority to declare that "there is nothing wrong" with these programs. And so when the book came out in 1988, "Murder, Madness and the Hare Krishnas," NM said the same thing, "there is nothing wrong with our mad/ molester/ murderer/ messiah program, moreover anyone who opposes is 'posion.'" So he not only says that molester murder messiahs are right, he says that anyone who opposes them is "poison." So NM is clearly in favor of child molester murder cults in the name of messiahs and "Hare Krishna," just as he has been all along since 1936. He also thinks there is "nothing wrong" when devotees are beaten in the head with bricks and they are badly injured, or killed, as he and his pal Sridhara orchestrated after 1936. We disagree, we say that his program, which beats and kills the devotees, is VERY wrong. We find no shastric support for NM's idea that we have to worship "the living madman pedophile messiah (?) in order to go back to Godhead" as NM not only orders us to do, as he has applauded by having us beaten and murdered by saying "those who disagree are poison" read: go kill the poisonous offenders who object to NM's pedophile worship project. He is TRYING to get us killed, and he has had some success.

Anyway, another disagreement we have with Narayana Maharaja is that he has supported the idea that Srila Prabhupada "appointed" eleven guru successors. Yet there is no evidence to support that claim? And moreover, most of these gurus have had spectacular fall downs, so they were never qualified to be gurus either. They were only qualified to be managers. Yet even today (2004) as soon as we say that the eleven were only supposed to be proxy managers, or priest/ ritviks, but not gurus, then Narayana Maharaja gets very angry and says this is the managerial/ "ritvik poison" deviation. So he has never shown us how these eleven were EVER gurus, despite his vociferous cheerleading for the idea that the eleven were "appointed" as gurus. Therefore Narayana Maharaja thinks that Srila Prabhupada is defective, he ordered or appointed -- unqualified -- people to be "gurus." This is also Visoka's illness, he still supports people who say that Srila Prabhupada appointed eleven gurus who just -- "accepted" -- his appointment.

Moreover, NM's idea that there should be "no management" (GBC/ rtivk) means that he wanted to create simply another edition of his 1936 mad criminal messiah chaos system, just as he and his friends did after 1936 in the Gaudiya Matha. Narayana Maharaja says that the idea of management and "law and order" for a religion is "poison." And his idea: madness, Bellvue "Jesus'", homosexual pedophiles, disciple molesters, murderers, drug addicts, psychotherapy patients, .... all "posing as Krishna's successor messiahs" is the right idea. Again, he will never convince the mass of devotees and mass of public of his idea: people like Jesus are -- mad criminals? So NM is perhaps borrowing from the siddhanta of -- Rasputin and Chales Manson, but he has no connection to the Vedas? Nor has he ever cited where he has the auhtority to support these regimes from 1936 or now, from shastra? Rather NM says that Sridhara, Madhava, and Tirtha, the self- appointed and homosexual acharyas founder fathers, are bona fide. In sum, NM says that worshippers of homosexuals as Vishnupada are bona fide.

Yet, we "ritviks," those who do not worship pedophiles as Vishnupada, we are poison. Clearly, NM is a worshipper of anus sex as his idea of Vishnupada acharyas, since he supports all the people who founded that deviation in 1936, and nowadays as well. Whereas PADA's editor might worship "Mr. Snuffles," our neighbor's cat, because this cat will never molest or harm a Vaishnava ever. And in fact, the cat is happy to see a Vaishnava and he rubs his back against our ankle in friendship, but on no account would we worship violent pedophiles posing as Vishnupada in the holy dham, as NM does since 1936? Narayana Maharaja has not shown that he has faith in the actual orders of the acharyas, that the GBC are only to be viewed as proxy/ GBC/ ritviks. Rather, he still says it is wrong to agree with Srila Prabhupada -- who only gave them the GBC/ ritvik designation.

Moreover, Narayana Maharaja's idea that a "managing body" is mangerial/ priest "poison," has simply made ISKCON a haven for criminal acitivities including child molesting. So Narayana Maharaja's idea is that gurus are "appointed," but this is something which Srila Prabhupada discredited all the time. Srila Prabhupada says that in India there are many appointed gurus, caste gurus, ecclessiastical gurus, and we reject all of them. Not only our Srila Prabhupada, but Srila Rupa goswami also says we have to reject the caste, appointed, voted in, ecclessiastical guru systems -- which Narayana Mahajara has supported.

Therefore, by around 1983-4, Narayana Maharaja's name started cropping up more and more in the writings of Satsvarupa Dasa Goswami, the GBC's main author at the time. They were conjointly trying to establish a concocted system for "reinitiation" of the disciples of their "gurus" who were falling down. And Satsvarupa mentions that the GBC was "consulting" Narayana Maharaja over this issue and other issues. So this was simply concoction upon concoction.
(a) Gurus are apppointed,
(b) Gurus "fall down" into illicit sex with men, women and children,
(c) A second wave of gurus is "voted in" by the first wave of fallen and deviant gurus,
(d) Disciples are then "reinitiated" by five or six successively failing gurus. No one has ever heard about any of this from the Vedas? Yet this deviation is also what NM's party did after 1936. Their madmen Bellevue "gurus" were also failing left, right and center and so Srila Prabhupada says "another man comes, then another then another, to be guru, so, kill guru and become guru." They had already concocted this whole "reinitiation" scam from that era. Notice, Srila Prabhupada says NM's scheme is "kill guru to become guru." And worse, the disciples can only be reinitiated by the next wave of gurus who were
(e) "voted in" by the fallen down first wave of gurus.

So, your first guru (as rubber stamped by GBC/ Sridhara/ Narayana) has to be rejected, maybe because he was a deviant, but now you have to get a new guru, who was "voted in" by the deviant guru class? None of this has any connection to activities in the bona fide guru parampara of pure saints? So, we are sorry to report that Narayana Maharaja's whole idea; that deviants are or were gurus in the first place, and that deviants then vote in more gurus, or that deviants "gave initiation" and now you need another initiation from the gurus -- voted in -- by the deviants, and so on ad infinitum, this is all bogus for most of us? We are sorry to report that none of Narayana Maharaja's intricate plots and schemes for managing the parampara are ever found in the actual bona fide parampara, from time immemorial? He is a mental speculator. Mano rathena.

Narayana Maharaja was thus the main person (and he was then widely advertised by the GBC as their "rasika advisor") helping the GBC with their whole: guru appointment scheme, guru voting scheme, reinitiations scheme, and so on and so forth. Yet we have said all along that none of this is bona fide and to date Narayana Maharaja cannot show us any example of any bona fide acharya who ever concocted any of these ideas? Then, Narayana Maharaja's topmost follower at the time, Virabahu dasa, wrote a book "The Guru." And in the book he writes, "The experience you get from your new guru is the same experience as you'd get from any bona fide guru in the parampara." Ummm, drugs, percodans, machine guns; illicit sex with men, women and children is "the same experience" you'd get from meeting Jesus or Lord Chaitanya"? There are those who think Narayana Maharaja is a very sick puppy indeed for helping along these ideas since 1936? Then Narayana Maharaja himself wrote a "Guru Tattva" booklet wherein he cites: "There was nothing wrong" with making homosexuals into Vishnupadas in 1936, proving that he is the ghost writer of Virabahu's book. By the way, Virabahu's wife Karta was (and still is) a big Narayana Maharaja groupie. And Virabahu has himself said many times that he cannot criticze Narayana Maharaja, no wonder, Narayana Maharaja was the biggest cheerleader of the 1986 homosexual pedophile guru recoronation ceremony where Virabahu was made "the next messiah" for Los Angeles. And just after the GBC reinstated their pedophile guru, Narayana Maharaja became the main supporter of the pedophile guru regime leader, Tamal Krishna.

So, Narayana Maharaja thinks that the experience of homosexual activities, in the holy dham, man to man sexual affairs in the name of "Vishnupada," is "nothing wrong." He thus thinks that the holy dham, and a gay bar in San Francisco's Castro, are one and the same place, for one and the same activity? And that is why we hear that there are still homosexual things going on in Vrindavana, because he has justified these acts, even in the name of Vishnupada, even in the holy dham. "Nothing wrong here," he says. Sorry, we think it is wrong to juxtapose homosexual acts to: the holy dham and to Vishnupada. Yet after he wrote that there is nothing wrong with homosexual Vishnupadas in the holy dham, and we asked him about this, he just said we are the "poison" group, ummm because we do not worship man - to - man sex as Vishnupada? Of course, Narayana Maharaja's "gurus" have even man - to - boy sex, even in the holy dham, and who knows what else?

And so, way back in 1984 we said that Narayana Maharaja's term "reinitiation" was wrong because deviants cannot give initiation in the first place. There was no "initiation," what you need is a real initiation, not a reinitiation. Nor has Narayana Maharaja's support of SDG's "guru reform" made sense to us, since "gurus" do not need reform? So, Narayana Maharaja has misunderstood so many things like this over the years. NM thinks that when "the guru" is having illicit sex with men, women and children, he needs to be "reformed" and sent back to the vyasasana. No, the deviant never was a guru, thus NM should declare the whole GBC guru system as bogus bunkum, and he should have done that right from square one in 1978. Instead, he emerged as their biggest scholar, apologist, ghost writer of GBC documents, rasika acharya etc. Great, he was the "rasika teacher" for the mad murderer false gurus.

Of course Narayana Maharaja criticizes not only us, he attacks Krishna Himself. NM says that anyone who accepts a "priest" as an authority is a poison deviant, but Krishna Himself accepts a family priest named Gargamuni? So even Krishna is a poisonous deviant according to Narayana Maharaja. Narayana Maharaja says there is no such word as priest "ritvik" in the shastra, but Krishna says, He eats through the offerings of the brahmana/ ritviks. Narayana Maharaja wants Krishna to starve to death! NM wants to control Krishna, "God is no longer allowed to work with the poison brahmana/ ritviks." Who is in charge here? NM thinks he is! No wonder, because Krishna is another poison ritvik advocate. Krishna says His best friend is Sudama brahmana, ooops, another bogus poison ritvik brahmana! So Krishna's best friend is another poisonous deviant? Now wonder, he does not worship anus sex in the holy dham?

The shastra is full of examples of brahmanas offering sacrifices to Vishnu, again, all poison deviants and bogus ritviks. The word ritvik means priest, and Srila Prabhupada's books are full of discussions using the word priest, but this word does not even exist, says NM? Srila Prabhupada's books are all bogus? What is correct then, according to NM? How did you guess?: madmen acharyas, Bellevue gurus, homosexual pedophile messiahs, murder of "poison" dissenters (to Narayana Maharaja's rectal and genital guru program) that is the only program NM accepts as bona fide. So we are quite proud to be in the deviant ritvik camp! Because even Krishna says "go brahmanaya (ritvik) hitaya ca," Krishna says: He loves the ritvik/ brahamanas. And so if NM says we are all poison, that is good, that means we are with Krishna and NM clearly is not. Of course, shastra says the ritviks also brought Lord Narayana out of the sacrificial fire, ooops, Lord Narayana is also poison because His appearance is a by-product of the actions of the ritviks? So your Narayana Maharaja does not like Krishna's priests, he says they are poisonous, but the actual Lord Narayana LOVES the ritvik brahmanas. Even Mother Rukmini says, "No one can calculate the benefit of being a brahaman (ritvik) like Sudama, it is beyond one's ability to calculate." Yet, NM has it all calculated, it is poison. Period. Sudama is a ritvik, so he is poisonous. Worship of child molesters, that is bona fide, and worship of anus sex is what NM has supported since 1936. That is nectar for him, and Sridhara, and Tripurari, and all of these gay messiah groupies.

So it is all very simple. Srila Prabhupada says that the brahmans, the priests, they should form a management commitee and regulate the religion. There needs to be some management system so problems like child molesting can be contained. NM says no, the managing system is poisonous, we want the criminal madmen, the ersatz Jesus, the violent homosexuals and pedophiles to run rampant, as occurs under his system. NM wants to empower the pedophiles with his idea that there should be no system to contain them. We need to have murderers running around, embezzling going on, devotees getting banned, beaten and killed, that is wanted. And when there is no managing system, then of course women can be victimized, children can be molested, this is NM's idea of Vaikuntha, but most of us call his vision: hell. As Srila Prabhupada says, we can to judge by the result. Clearly, the result of NM supporting mad messiahs is "Murder, Madness, and the Hare Krishnas."

Everyone knows that is the result of his system. Yet NM says, managing systems are not found in the Vaishnava dictionary. So he wants the lawless madman process as his society. NM says, we do not need to manage problems like child molesting, we need to rather "manage" to paint those who object to our molester pooja as "poison." So NM is actually "managing the chaos" in effect or directly, NM is "managing" to keep up his mad molesting and murder project going on. There is no actual chaos, this is all going on according to the plan of folks like NM. He wants to see the religion descend into the hell of worship of mad molesters. This is his orchestrated plan, since 1936, it is not an accident. He wants the chaos, the murderers, the molesters, to be the biggest worshipped rulers of the land. That is why he says deviants are "Krishna's living successors." Since 1936. And that is also what he did after 1936, he orchestrated the same exact process.

So this is why Srila Prabhupada says, we should not become another NM style Gaudiya Matha imbroglio. He warns us over and over against this descent in chaos that was caused by Sridhara/ Narayana and other deviants. What is even worse than any of this is that when it was discovered the NM's "messiahs" has poisoned Srila Prabhupada, he was once again as angry as fire, but not at the poisoners, he was angry at those of us exposing the poisoners. So whenever we say his messiahs are molesters, he is angry at us for exposing his criminal gurus. He is not angry that children are being mass molested? So he said that our whole idea of investigation of the poison complaint is all bogus as well. He defended the evil doers. Now we hate to point this out here, but defending the evil doers who poison the pure devotee is the most serious crime in the universe. No one can stand around saying that the poisoners of the pure devotee are their worshipped messiahs, as NM has done for 20 years, without having severe repurcussions. NM simply does not understand the gravity of his deviations, or how badly he has impacted the lives of thousands of people by supporting these deviants as his messiahs.

So we are not angry at NM, indeed we feel sorry for him. No one is allowed to say that mad fool Bellevue deviants are Krishna's successors. No one is allowed to say that the poisoners of the pure devotee are his idea of messiahs. No one is allowed to say that "rectal and genital business" equals Vishnupada. No one is allowed to say that the worshippers of the bona fide acharyas are "poison." No one is allowed to say "there is nothing wrong" with homosexual pedophile/ mad Bellevue gurus, having illicit sex, even with children, in the holy dham. No one is allowed to say that Krishna is a deviant because His family has a ritvik priest, and so on ad infinitum. This NM is a lost soul, period, end of story. So the good news is, really the best news is, we are not him! And so we can simply dust ourselves off and go on knowing we are going to get the blessings of the Lord by dint of service to His pure devotee. And as for the promoters of the Judas, mad, Bellevue, drug addict, molester, guru poisoner class, who make their pet fools into their acharyas in 1936 and later on, as the Bible says, "There will be piteous crying and knashing of teeth." And "The first ones now will later be last. "

No kidding! Now as for us personally, the fox terrier class of devotee, we have not really been shocked by all this. The fox terrier class likes to chase the fifty-ton truck, and jump up and down and bite at the wheels of the fifty-ton truck like a crazy fool. The fox terrier class is specifically blessed by the Lord, he does not give a Chinese noodle of concern -- even if he is run over by the fifty tons of truck.

We are not angry for ourselves, ... even though NM has tried to get us killed for 25 years by calling us "poison" ... we are however angry that NM's gurus have victimized so many devotees, starting with their poison of the pure devotee. And NM still says the members of the pedophile lineage are his pujyapdas:

"On November 25, one of the ISKCON leaders, Pujyapada Svarupa Damodara Maharaja, came to Govardhana to visit Srila Narayana Maharaja. After that meeting he attended bhajanas and Srila Maharaja’s class, and Srila Maharaja requested him to speak." Of course as soon as we come to speak, and we say Svarupa Damodar is certifed by pedophiles so his guru certificate is bogus, NM spits in anger and he says, "Get these poison Prabhupada worshippers out of here, they are contaminating the holy dham by trying to get rid of our pujyapada pedophile lineage! told ya! Thanks, ys pd