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He ate his sheeties. :)
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> Dear PADA, Does Bhakti Caru eat his wheaties or his > feeties? **** dd
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NARAYANA MAHARAJA SPECIAL

From: "GBCSIKSA.COM" [its_ml@wispernet.com] (The Narayana Maharaja camp)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:02:00 GMT
Subject: GBCSIKSA.COM in the service of His Divine Grace Srila A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

GBC SIKSHA - YOU DECIDE
by Isa das

Our dandavat pranam to all the Vaisnavas and Vaisnavis.
All glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga!

Pure Bhakti Media Group is pleased to announce the creation of a new web site - http://gbcsiksa.com - where anyone can hear a series of intimate talks in 1990 on Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura's life's masterwork "JAIVA DHARMA", between representatives of ISKCON's GBC & gurus such as Sripad Tamal Krishna Gosvami, Sripad Giriraj Maharaja, Sripad Satsvarupa Gosvami, Sripad Sivarama Swami, Sripad Dhanurdhara Swami, Sriman Bhurijana Prabhu, his wife Srimati Jagattarini Devi and others; and, His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja.

There are over 40 hours of captivating questions and answers, along with many rich moments of heartwarming, loving repartee.

More will soon be available, including other dialogues on such subjects as Srila Raghunatha dasa Gosvami's "Vilapa Kusumanjali", Srimad Bhagavatam 10.21, "Venu-gita"; 10.29 - 33 "Rasa-pancadhyaya"; SB: 10.31, "Gopi-gita"; SB 10.47, "Bhramara-gita." Now all devotees can decide for themselves what was really going on when these devotees spent those many, long years taking siksha at the lotus feet of an elderly, senior Vaishnava (see Srila Prabhupada's excellent purports in Srimad Bhagavatam 3.4.26 and Sri Caitanya-caritamrita, Madhya-lila, Chapter 22, Text 71).

It is interesting to note that when asked by the BBT (Bhaktivedanta Book Trust) Trustees to edit Jaiva Dharma for ISKCON members, their chief editor, Sriman Dravida Prabhu found himself in a dilemma as Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura's presentation of jiva tattva differs from official GBC resolutions on the topic. Needless to say, the BBT has never published their version to date. Also Free audio lectures of Srila A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, Srila BR Sridhara Gosvami Maharaja, Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja and Srila BV Narayana Gosvami Maharaja (in 6 languages + bhajans) are all available 24/7 at http://www.asksp.org/sp/portal.

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Gaura premanande! Hari Hari Bol!

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ANALYSIS BY PADA

From: "GBCSIKSA.COM" [its_ml@wispernet.com]
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:02:00 GMT
Subject: GBCSIKSA.COM in the service of His Divine Grace Srila A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

GBC SIKSHA - YOU DECIDE
by Isa das

Our dandavat pranam to all the Vaisnavas and Vaisnavis.
All glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga!

** Pure Bhakti Media Group is pleased to announce the creation of a new website - http://gbcsiksa.com - where anyone can hear a series of intimate talks...

[PADA: "Intimate talks" "along with many rich moments of heartwarming, loving repartee" -- with the "Judas Iscariot" sabha of ISKCON? First of all, why is Narayana Maharaja conducting heartfelt "intimate loving repartee talks" with the identical group of people who: (a) poisoned (i.e. crucified) Srila Prabhupada, (b) established a sort of system of bogus Popes, that homosexual pedophiles are "Prabhupada's and Krishna's guru successors," (c) vociferously promoted the above with the use of violence, indeed they orchestrated shunning, banning, beatings and and murders, and (d) they orchestrated concentration camps for the children, exploited women as "cash collecting cows," criminally neglected actual cows, and so on -- ad infinitum? In sum, NM's "intimate" friends, those whom he calls his heartwarming intimate loving repartee of -- "gurus" and "sripada" saints -- have ruined the lives of countless devotees, including many innocent children. They also ruined the reputation of the Krishna movement, wholesale. And they bankrupted not only many innocent lives but Prabhupada's entire organization? Why has Narayana Maharaja traveled thousands of miles to Texas to have "intimate loving repartee association" with the leaders of the above mentioned "enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles'" clique for ten years or more. And why are NM's followers still saying the founders of this guru killer, devotee killer, and child molester cult (like Tamal) are Narayana Maharaja's intimate, loving repartee "gurus and sripads" -- as Narayana Maharaja's cult members have been saying since at least 1984 -- and probably earlier than that?

Why hasn't Narayana Maharaja responded to us over the past 25 years when we said that his GBC guru regime is molesting children, rather he has simply replied that we are "animal creatures" -- for disagreeing with his molester pooja scheme? For example in the early 1980s myself and Sulochana were saying that the GBC guru regime is a child molester and indeed "butt buster guru lineage" and here we find that Narayana Maharaja is the "intimate loving repartee associate" of that lineage while he discredited and harassed us all along. Later, in 1997 when we brought out the poison case and presented it to Narayana Maharaja in Texas, he became as angry as fire that we were blaming his "intimate heartwarming loving repartee sripad guru" -- Tamal -- for any crime at all. Narayana Maharaja said the poison case is nonsense just as he said our molesting complaint is nonsense, i.e. he has defended his "heartwarming intimate repartee sripad gurus," and apparently his best friend, Tamal. No wonder that Narayana Maharaja was angry, if we are correct, and it is true that Narayana Maharaja's intimate pal had murdered Prabhupada, and Narayana Maharaja was the heartwarming intimate repartee loving associate of that guru killer -- for more than ten years, then that places a considerable amount of Prabhupada's blood on Narayana Maharaja's hands through -- "guilt by (loving repartee) association." And despite NM's follower's attempt to wash Narayana Maharaja's hands of Prabhupada's blood by denial, by saying he was not an intimate shiksha guru affiliate of the GBC, we still keep finding evidence of such connection, such Isa's post coming from the Narayana Maharaja camp itself.

And notice: NM has still not made a public declaration about the poison case since he is STILL de facto defending the culprits. Of course, our IRM fiends like Krishna Kanta Desai have come out in full agreement with his intimate repartee lovers of Tamal and their deviant version of the poison case, since his associates also have Prabhupada's blood on their hands by their "intimate loving repartee" with that club for more than 20 years. The only good news here is that many folks in the Narayana Maharaja camp, including Isa dasa and Jadurani and others, already agree that Prabhupada was poisoned and that their "heartwarming, loving and intimate sripada guru" Tamal is the main culprit. Of course at one point the IRM leader Adridharana de facto agreed with the poison case by saying that he was "alarmed" by the poison complaint. So now the Narayana Maharaja camp are admitting further -- that Narayana Maharaja is the official scriptural apologist, cheerleader, if not ringleader, of the "intimate loving repartee with Judas and the Roman solidiers who executed Jesus" social beeja club. And even more "good news," it is now official, Narayana Mahararaja has conducted "heartwarming intimate repartee loving exchanges" -- with his "sripad guru" party, those who killed Prabhupada, who killed dissenters to their "Prabhupada killer" club, who said that homosexual pedophiles are as pure as God or "Vishnupada," and who also orchestrated Prabhupada's children to be starved, beat, raped, and so on.

And while many of the children of ISKCON were being starved, beaten and molested, and dissenters were being murdered, NM was having "intimate loving repartee" with this clique of "sripada gurus," i.e. ISKCON's child molester and Judas lover's club. And they were filling their greedy faces with butter dripping pooris, twenty three course feasts in Dallas, and while they were stuffing down huge tasty gulabs, some of the children in their care were in a concentration camp/ forced death march/ and they were eating moldy oatmeal. Meanwhile, Narayana Maharaja has said that those of us who do not worship his intimate circle of friends, the Prabhupada killers, child starving and molesting "sripada guru" sabha, ... we are "animal creatures." That is actually good news because Prabhupada says even us animals are "innocent." So we are innocent whereas NM's camp admits they are "initmate loving repartee" participants in the Judas lover's club. And so, for the next 10,000 years Narayana Maharaja and his clan will be reviled as the "GBC shiksa" leaders, and in sum boot lickers for the Judas guru killer and child torture club. They have no idea what kind of karma awaits people who are "intimate repartee lovers" with the poisoners of pure devotees -- people who have engaged in loving exchanges with those who torture and kill pure devotees, and who starve, beat, molest and kill other followers of the pure devotees. For that matter, even members of the IRM who are currently defending their Tamal/ ISKCON's Judas club are going to receive a most severe reaction for their plan of trying to clean up ISKCON's "Judas -- Roman soldiers" sabha's bloody hands and make them look like saints.

Nor does Narayana Maharaja even understand the basic ideas of karma or even common sense. For example, when a MAFIA "don" is arrested, so are his hit men, associates, colleagues, bookkeepers and so on. They are all implicated, just as NM is implicated by being the GBC's main cheerleader -- after Sridhara Maharaja, and his clones like Tripurari/ Tom Beaudry of Philo CA, who was trying to get a homosexual pedophile guru certification himself -- as we eye-witnessed. And similarly when a person is murdered, all the people involved may be arrested for "conspiracy to commit murder." Yet Narayana Maharaja, self advertised "shiksha guru" for the GBC thinks he is not implicated in the GBC's crimes, which he assisted in all forms by encouraging their "guru" status. In short, NM has been covering up for the GBC by declaring -- that they are gurus? NM gave the GBC their title of "guru" -- and this gave these false gurus a cloak of "Papal infallibility" under which they were able to commit countless crimes. The Sri Isopanisad says that these false gurus are "the most dangerous elements in human society," and this makes Narayan Maharaja also one the most dangerous elements in human society since he has acted as the confidential "shiksha guide" to these false gurus and he has propped up their false propaganda -- that they are gurus. NM helped dress up the GBC in the cloak of "Papal infallibility" and when we protested, NM said we are "animal creatures" for disagreeing -- that Judas is the next Jesus. (?) This also occurred at the time of Rasputin. He was conducting drunken orgies, while the Narayana Maharaja types of that era were saying Rasputin was a saint. Of course, even Rasputin is factually a saint -- when compared to Narayana Maharaja's guru poisoner and child molester guru club. Worship of a pedophile Judas poisoner club is far worse than any of can understand.

In short, NM says that those of us who fail to worship his deviant gurus are "bogus ritviks" and even "animal creatures." So he is aiding and abetting the criminals, and indeed he is aiding the GBC scheme to foment violence, even murder, against those who protest their false gurus with their vicious name calling rhetoric. When NM says that the worshippers of Jesus and Prabhupada are "bogus," even "animals" the de facto message is very clear: the "dissident" devotees are really evil Satanic dogs, thus they can be harassed and even killed without any consideration. The GBC has called us these exact types of names as well: "animals." Indeed, one guru called me "the barking dog of ISKCON." One devotee jokingly calls me "ISKCON's junkyard dog," knowing all about this animal and dog rhetoric from the GBC and NM that is going on. And people like the GBC and NM use this inflammatory rhetoric on purpose, since they know full well the resultant animosity foments beatings and killings. And now we know who has been encouraging this violent "name calling" attitude all along, namely Narayana Maharaja.

He is one of the reasons many devotees were beaten, molested and killed, because he says that the objectors and victims to his violent GBC guru cult are simply expendable "animals." By the way, Narayana Maharaja also says that when children are molested (by his "guru" regime which he is having "loving repartee" with) these children are merely "getting their karma." So, when one is Narayana Maharaja's victim of either molesting or murder, too bad, one deserves to be crushed under his regime's jackboots since -- "you deserve to be molested or killed, it is you (the victim) who are at fault." Oddly, violent dictators like Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, Stalin and others -- use the exact same reasoning and argument? Needless to say, this type of Narayana Maharaja's "preaching" has caused havoc amongst the school students (gurukulis) who were told that -- they are responsible for their being molested as children since "it is your karma." And Narayana Maharaja thinks he has "no karma" for being one of the apologists, advocates, if not intimate repartee ringleaders and cheerleaders of this regime? No, his hands are full of blood, even Prabhupada's blood, since he is the intimate repartee associate of, and advocate/ apologist for, Prabhupada's killers, even to the point of saying his killers are "sripada gurus."

And even if we are "animals" as NM says -- so what? Who authorizes Narayana Maharaja to incite the GBC and their goondas to beat and kill us protestors, and in short, to have our animal blood on his hands? Worse, "blaming the victims" in the case of the gurukulis has caused some of them to commit suicide. "No problem" says Narayana Maharaja, that is their fault, their karma? Of course our friends like Sanat, Mukunda and Jaya Krishna say that if all the gurukuli children commit suicide, all the better for ISKCON and "Prabhupada's reputation," as if Prabhupada endorses molesting -- and then death or suicide as the "final solution"? And they even said they would be happy to see a "bloodbath" of these molested ex-children. And they are very bitter that some of the children actually lived and got a huge settlement of money from their intimate repartee pals at the GBC, since they are "mini" versions of Narayan Maharaja: they gloat in happiness when their victims suffer -- and even -- die. "Too bad, it is their karma." Even the children under their care, or de facto under their care, can be eaten alive by these people and they feel not the slightest tinge of remorse? "It was your karma to get run over by my army tank, too bad sucker"!

Why has Narayana Maharaja always been giving "intimate" lectures at the GBC's temples, festivals and functions exhorting everyone (especially children?) that they must worship the GBC's "gurus," or as Narayana Maharaja says "a living (GBC) guru" -- like Tamal and his "intimate loving repartee" homosexual pedophile associates? Why has Narayana Maharaja always been saying that worship of a bona fide guru, like for example Jesus or Prabhupada, is bogus because -- instead -- we all have to worship "living" homosexuals and pedophiles? Why does Narayana Maharaja think that his plan of worship of "living homosexual pedophile gurus" will benefit children? And we also have to worship his "intimate" circle of gangster "gurus," who orchestrated the beatings and murders of those of us who failed to worship Narayana Maharaja's pet homosexual and pedophile "guru" project? Why is he "intimate" with this agenda? Why is NM still saying that these gangsters are "gurus" knowing that this gives these GBC "gurus" the cloak of "Papal infallibility" and makes it almost impossible, and no small amount of deadly dangerous, to contain their crimes?

Why has Narayana Maharaja been expressing "intimate" loving repartee with these deviants -- at all? "Intimate" means: loving, very close, like minded, in agreement. For example Webster's defines "intimate" as: belonging to one's deepest nature; warm friendship over a long period of time; close friend or confidant. Thus Narayana Maharaja's camp admits that they are "intimate" and loving repartee connected i.e. closely associated with the leaders of ISKCON's post-1977 GBC -- and their agenda of false gurus and child molester worship. Narayana Maharaja was indeed given a similar "advisor guru" title by the GBC themselves: he was their intimate "rasika guru" (guru of intimate love) -- almost exactly -- as the title of NM's own camp's advertisement (NM is the "GBC shiksha" i.e. advisor guru) states above. Thus, that Narayana Maharaja has been the "GBC's siksha guru" (apologist/ cheerleader/ advisor/ enabler/ scriptural defender/ lawyer/ loving repartee participant) is a clear historical fact, as they admit herein. And when innocent Krishna devotees were being banned, beaten, molested and killed, Narayana Maharaja was foremost in encouraging the orchestrators of these crimes that they are "Krishna's pure devotee successor gurus," since at least the early 1980s, as if God/ Krishna or His "guru successors" are criminal despots who endorse molesting and murder.

Of course now we have people like Svavasa, Badrinarayan, Sura and others claiming that Narayana Maharaja is a deviant, but wait, wasn't he your GBC's "intimate repartee shiksha guru" for more than ten years? This is just like when a group of vultures finish off their prey, then they start to screech and bite at each other's tails and fight viciously amongst themselves. The GBC and NM combined to make the policies which banned, beat, molested and killed people, this made the temples into empty ghost towns, or as Lokanatha Swami says "the temples had hundreds of devotees but now they are skeleton crew," and now that they have tipped ISKCON upside down and drained off any spare change in the pockets, they are like thieves fighting over their stolen bread -- blaming the former members of their "intimate repartee" club.]

** -- in 1990 on Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura's life's masterwork "JAIVA DHARMA", between representatives of ISKCON's GBC and gurus ...

[PADA: In recent years some of Narayana Maharaja's followers have tried to deny that their group ever supported the GBC's deviants as "gurus." They falsely stated (lied) that Narayana Maharaja has "never" endorsed the GBC's leaders as "gurus." They said that we at PADA are "liars" for saying NM endorsed the GBC as "gurus." And this is rather silly, some of NM's followers even said they are going to "take PADA to court and sue me" for saying that NM endorsed the GBC as "gurus." It looks like they will have to sue themselves then? Here we find a follower of Narayana Maharaja still expressing that not only has NM said that the GBC were "gurus" previously, according to Narayana Maharaja's camp these deviants STILL are "gurus." Therefore, despite so many false claims and denials (lies) to the contrary, made by Narayana Maharaja's dedicated followers, Narayan Maharaja has in fact vociferously tried to establish that the GBC's deviants are "gurus." And now we see his followers STILL to the current day (January 2004) admit to this as well. And worse, they still think the GBC's deviants are "gurus" despite knowing of all sorts of GBC related crimes such as murder, poisoning, molesting, and so on ad infinitum. In sum, Narayana Maharaja has been freely giving the GBC the nomenclature of "guru," even to the worst of the GBC's criminal deviants. And NM has confused people so badly with his rhetoric, including his own followers, that his own follower like Isa dasa writes (1) that he agrees with us on the idea that Tamal is the prime suspect in poisoning Prabhupada, but simultaneously (2) Tamal is a "heartwarming intimate repartee sripad guru fit to discuss rasika love of God and Jaiva Dharma." In short, Narayana Maharaja is trying to establish that Judas is an "intimate" lover of God or "rati keli siddha" (as is sung in ISKCON temple to their gurus like Tamal) -- or a gopi (conjugal lover of God), or that Judas is fit to discuss such topics! Meanwhile, those who want to worship Jesus and Prabhupada are "animal creatures."

Yet Narayana Maharaja has never indicated how deviants, such as the founders of the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles, guru poisoners, orchestrators of dissenter's murders, ISKCON's Judas clique, and so on and so forth, are fit to be worshipped as "pure devotees (Jesus like) gurus." Narayana Maharaja has known since 1978 that the GBC were advertising deviants if not homosexuals (and murderers?) as "Vishnupada's," "as pure as God's feet" and so on. This was certainly common public knowledge by 1980. Thus, according to Narayana Maharaja: God is equal to -- homosexual pedophiles (who murder people who do not worship such pedophiles)? And why are Narayana Maharaja's followers still saying these deviants are "sripad gurus," just as NM's follower Jadurani wrote recently that Narayana Maharaja has been helping and advising the GBC's -- "gurus"? And since Narayana Maharaja's "gurus" helped murder those who protested the mass molesting, this makes Narayana Maharaja an accomplice to these molesters and murderers since he is their "intimate" associate, advocate and "shiksha advisor." And Narayana Maharaja's followers admit he was the "advisor" to the GBC gangster gurus and he called these gangsters "gurus."

Worse, Narayana Maharaja disbanded Prabhupada's concept of GBC or "Governing Body." NM said there is no Governing Body (or ritviks) found "in the Vaishnava dictionary," leaving us only with his independent maverick gangster gurus -- free to commit any crimes they could get away with. Therefore there has been no formal "governing committee" to manage the crimes and crisis of the false gurus in ISKCON. All the better for Narayana Maharaja's supporting his false gurus and their criminal if not murder and molesting agenda in the name of "Jesus like gurus"? Narayana Maharaja did not want these problems to be "managed and contained," rather he said the whole idea that there should be a management council to contain these problems (like child molesting) is some evil "ritvik" deviation. "Let the criminal activity go on without any counter force to check it." And of course if the rank and file devotees of ISKCON try to correct and check these problems, then Narayana Maharaja will say they are "animal creatures" so that -- he can get them banned, beat and killed. As Prabhupada says, "Give a dog a bad name and hang it." So Narayana Maharaja says protesters to his molester pooja are "dogs" so that he can get us banned, beat and killed (or hung), as he has done with his vile propaganda already. He wants to paint his opponents as "animals" so that he can get them -- treated with violence, maybe murder, as he has done already by backing the GBC. So he thinks the killers of pure devotees and even killers of us animal / dog devotees are "sripada gurus," but we are sorry to report that killing Vaishnavas is never excused by the Lord or any agents of the Lord, nor are the cheerleaders for such agendas. In short, sitting and having "rich, heartwarming loving repartee" with the Judas class of rascals will not help one's future life, or even this life. At least we know what "warms Narayana Maharaja's heart," i.e. worship of Judas, murderers and molesters as his idea of "Vishnupadas." Notice: this is a direct attack on Krishna: "Krishna, Your Vishnupada successors are homosexuals, pedophiles, and guru poisoners" -- at least according to bone heads like Narayana Maharaja. Even us "animal creatures" would NEVER dare to attack and insult God in this way!

Why has Narayana Maharaja insisted that these types of deviants are "gurus"? And in the time period mentioned above by Isa (1990) the GBC was in the process of establishing that their gurus are -- infected with multiple ghostly haunting. And so the GBC employed their official "ghost-buster" Chiteshsvara to give "vibhuti dust" to Narayana Maharaja's endorsed "gurus," to chase away their many ghosts, and have their ghosts "locked up" in a wire bird cage -- which Chitesvara had purchased for fifty rupees at a flea market? And while all of this foolishness of placing "guru's ghosts" (?) into a bird cage was going on, Narayana Maharaja was "preaching" about "God's highest love" such as "Venu-gita" "Gopi-gita" -- to these self-admitted "ghostly haunted guru creatures"? And NM was telling these ghostly haunted gangsters about their "higher conjugal loving relationships with God"? Why didn't NM tell the GBC for starters that: pure devotees are not infected with ghosts? Why didn't Narayan Maharaja tell them that gurus are not in need of mundane ceremonies such as ghost busting? The "Nectar Of Devotion" says that anyone who thinks that the pure devotees needs some Vedic purification rituals performed for them, what to speak of some village fool's ghost busting by placing ghosts into a wire bird cage, is -- a pasandi (an atheist). Rather, the guru is the person who -- drives away -- ghosts? Narayana Maharaja has the whole process reversed, his gurus are attracting ghosts and are indeed they are full of many ghosts? Why doesn't Narayana Maharaja enlighten us "animal creatures" instead of telling us that "sripada gurus" -- Jesus like saints, are full of demoniac spirits? NM is trying to discredit pure devotees and worse, drive the pure devotees and us into the depths of the modes of ignorance by endorsing the party that says "gurus" are overcome by demoniac ghosts? Umm, even the lady that runs the coffee shop next door is not "overcome by many ghostly hauntings," she does not even have one ghostly haunting, thus -- she is more advanced that NM's entire sridapa/ guru/ Vishnupada sabha? The coffee shop lady is vastly more spiritually advanced than NM's "sum total of the demigods" gurus?

That Narayana Maharaja has endorsed people filled with many ghosts as "God's pure devotee guru successors" means Narayana Maharaja thinks the Jesus class of devotee (gurus) can thus be overcome by ghosts or Satanic influences, which even an ordinary woman who runs a coffee shop is TOTALLY free from? Even an illiterate street idiot knows that the guru is under the control of God and -- not -- some Satanic ghostly powers? Of course, the rascal class has preached for many hundreds of years that people like Jesus, gurus, are overwhelmed by ghosts, evil spirits, demons and Satans. For example in 1985, Hansadutta was distributing a book in Berkeley called "Communicating With The Spirit World" which said: pure devotees like Jesus are -- overcome by ghosts? Why is NM endorsing this nonsense sabha's ideas?

The plan is: to say that when their "Jesus" gurus are committing crimes, that is because "the ghosts" have taken over Jesus' body. "The Devil made them do it." Even Narayana Maharaja was fooled by the GBC and their foolish idea that they are "gurus," and that gurus are full of ghosts, just like another fool named Chitesvara. Even in 1990, at the height of the ghost busting process, Narayana Maharaja was defending the GBC. And thus there was some "excuse" for Narayana Maharaja's "gurus" to "explain away" all their criminality -- the ghosts committed the crimes and not the "gurus." Of course all criminals like to say "I am not responsible, some ghost possessed me, and then the ghost made me rob the bank, so arrest the ghost and not me." And there is a class of fools who think this is a bona fide argument, and that it even applies to a "Vishnupada"/ "Jesus" who robs banks. This is also why Hansadutta was distributing his "gurus are overwhelmed by ghosts" book, to "explain away" all of his own "guru" deviations as being "caused by ghosts." Kirtanananda also gave a lecture that the real Jayatirtha was not committing any errors, but the "maya Jayatirtha" was. So NM and his clique have tried all sorts of rationalizations to "prove" that pure devotees are sometimes deviants -- "Jesus is sometimes: Satan." So these rascals have tried to discredit the pure devotees since time immemorial, and they say that pure devotees are sometimes demons, ghosts, deviants, criminals, possessed by Satanic spirits, and so on. And according to NM anyone who fails to agree that pure devotees are sometimes: criminals, child molesters, murderers, guru poisoners, demons, ghosts, evil spirits, is an "animal creature." And the GBC deviants deserve the "Papal infallibility" rubber stamp of "guru," given to them by Narayana Maharaja, so he can let their crimes expand geometrically all over the planet, as occurred IN FACT under his "expert guidance (shiksha)."

So this is interesting, in 1990 the GBC had really two main "advisors" namely (1) Narayana Maharaja, and (2) ghost buster Chitesvara. And while Narayana Maharaja was saying the GBC are gurus, Chitesvara said, yes agreed, they are gurus, and by the way your gurus are full of evil demoniac ghosts who are controlling them and forcing them to commit evil deeds. So both of them are fools. Yet again, any village drunk knows that criminals who are inhabited by many evil demoniac ghosts are not "gurus," nor do bona fide gurus require "ghost removal ceremonies." Nor would ghosts be contained by Chitesvara's bird cage made from strands of thin wires in any event? Ghosts can move through brick walls, and now they are going to be stopped by only a few pieces of wire? These people are all idiots. When I met Chitesvara he ran away from me as fast as he could since he knew he had no reply for my questions, just like Narayana Maharaja ran away from me and refused to allow me even one question at his ashram. This is because PADA would have defeated NM with merely one question, "Why are you saying deviants are sripads, and Krishna's successor gurus"?

The proof that Narayana Maharaja supported all this foolishness as the behavior of "gurus" is that in the same year that Chitesvara was ghost busting the gurus, in 1990, Narayana Maharaja made a famous publicly written defense of the GBC's "gurus" which was printed in "The ISKCON Journal." In essence, "My ghostly haunted intimate friends, who have Satanic spirts taking over and possessing them, are -- gurus." And NM's camp are still saying these ghostly haunted souls are: gurus? NM still thinks someone like Jesus is NOT "driving out" the evil spirits (as is stated in the Bible) rather he endorses that a Jesus-like guru is being -- overtaken and controlled -- by evil spirits? Of course, what do you expect from a person like Narayana Maharaja who was patting Tamal on the back in great glee in 1986 just after they had reinstated a known homosexual pedophile as their "Vishnupada" guru and they had orchestrated the murder of Sulochana (and others such as Taru), since Sulochana had refused to worship Narayana Maharaja's homosexual child molesters as Jesus like "sripada" "gurus"? But not to worry, Narayana Maharaja has another "intimate loving repartee advisor" for the GBC, a ghost buster.

Thus Narayana Maharaja essentially said in 1986, "Congratulations, you just reinstated your best child molester guru, that means crimes will go on nicely, and you also killed some of the people who objected, this really cements the crimes, yes that makes you sripada gurus. And those who do not bow down to our homosexual pedophile and murderer gurus are 'animal creatures.'" Yes, as a matter of fact Narayana Maharaja likes to lick the boots of the founders and reinstators of homosexual pedophile worship, and murderers, as his "sripad gurus." "The ghosts make our Vishnupada/ sripada gurus act like Devils," as if people like Jesus are puppets in the hands of ghosts and Satanic spirits. "Vishnupada" means: equal to God in purity. So the "Vishnupada" class of devotees are being controlled remotely by Satanic ghosts to commit crimes? And Narayana Maharaja is such a fool he endorses the people who are saying this: as his idea of "gurus"? The Srimad Bhagavatam says that simply for beating a devotee the culprit will have to go through the stone rollers of Yamaraja's courts. Imagine what will be the fate of the people like NM who say that the poisoners and torturers of the pure devotee should be given the cloak of Papal infallibility, and guru titles, so they can molest and kill other devotees, albeit some of us are animals?

Narayana Maharaja has been saying that -- the GBCs are "gurus" all along up to today, and yes, even when their ghost busting process was going on fully in 1990. Why does NM not know that gurus are free from ghosts and the modes of ignorance? Apart from this, one of the "gurus" named Harikesha swami had the "vibhuti" from Chitesvara analyzed at a laboratory in Sweden, and he found that Chitesvara's spiritual "vibhuti" actually contained large quantities of dangerous Western grade "psychotropic" mind altering pharmaceuticals. These drugs had apparently been purchased in the West, sent to India, then mailed to Harikesha in Sweden. Harikesha thus thought that he was being "poisoned" with this bad medicine, or that he was being given these dangerous mind altering drugs to him to make him think he was going mad, by some of Narayana Maharaja's divine GBC "gurus." These actions are of course the works of Narayana Maharaja's "sripad" "guru" "saints"? By the way, Harikesha said that it is very strange indeed that Srila Prabhupada was saying he was being given poison. Perhaps Harikesha was not going to go along with Narayana Maharaja's guru clique or the poison case or something else, and instead he was starting to ask some embarrassing questions? And as such, he would have to be suppressed or eliminated, and maybe by some dangerous vibhuti (psychotropic chemicals)?

In sum while all of this lunacy of: gurus being controlled by ghosts, ghosts in bird cages and of course psychotropic vibhuti, was all going on, Narayana Maharaja was reading the book "Jaiva Dharma" and "rasa" literature to the GBC. Yet, where in Jaiva Dharma do we find that homosexuals, pedophiles, ghostly haunted persons, are -- "gurus"? Yes, only an intimate repartee advisor like Narayana Maharaja can overlook the fact that his warm and loving gurus are filled with and surrounded by evil spirits, that had taken over their bodies and therefore his gurus were behaving like little Satans. So NM is telling his little Satanic ghostly haunted class members all about -- the colors of the gopis saris! Why? Why is NM discussing "the gopis" with ghostly haunted little Satans who think they are equal to Jesus? Well the answer is quite simple, because Narayana Maharaja intimately loves them, they are his like minded loving repartee cadre. And whereas Prabhupada says that the chanting of Hare Krishna is sufficient to take away ghosts, Narayana Maharaja's "sripad gurus" need some nut case to chant mantras allegedly to Lord Shiva to place ghosts into bird cages? Thus Narayana Maharaja has reduced the status of a "Jesus like guru" to some circus side show of ghostly haunted gurus needing bird cages and psycho tropic vibhuti for their ghosts.

** -- such as Sripad Tamal Krishna Gosvami,

[PADA: Tamal Krishna said that Bhavananda (a homosexual pedophile) is "my favorite of all the gurus" and Narayana Maharaja says that Tamal is his favorite loving repartee companion out of all these gurus, and thus notice Tamal's name is at the top of their list. So the lovers of homosexual pedophile gurus are loved by Narayana Maharaja. Notice that Narayana Maharaja's camp has been using divine and "pure as God" titles such as "pujyapada" "sripad" and "guru" very freely -- and Narayana Maharaja has applied these types of terms to deviants, even the promoters of anus sex with children worship project. "Sri" means to have the purity, characteristics, opulence, or similar divine qualities as that of God Almighty, Krishna. Yet, if some Satanic ghostly haunted deviants promote a violent homosexual molesting of children worshipping cult, then Narayana Maharaja falls off his seat and starts to lick the jackboots of those deviants and he thinks he has found divine "gurus" saints and "sripads." And indeed, Narayana Maharaja is directly advertised by his followers as an "intimate loving repartee" associate of the worship of anus sex with children project. Of course, if Narayana Maharaja finds persons like us who want to worship a bona fide guru like Jesus or Prabhupada, then he says we are bogus ritvik "animal creatures," and he has tea and crumpets with the people who hunt devotees and kill us like animals. Indeed NM's "gurus" hunted and killed Jesus and Prabhupada. And this is how NM will be remembered for the next 10,000 years, as the deviant's "heart warming loving repartee like - minded sabha member."

Of course Narayana Maharaja endorsed another false guru named "Bon Maharaja" as a "pujyapada," yet another "sripad," despite that Srila Prabhupada says Bon Maharaja is a motivated person who is envious of his guru and he is in sum "an envious black snake." Bon Maharaja challenged Prabhupada's preaching in India in the early 1970s and he tried to "re-initiate" Prabhupada's disciples. In sum, Bon Maharaja tried to harass the pure devotee. Such degraded types of deviants are what Narayana Maharaja describes as "pujyapada." "Pujya" means "to worship," so NM worships people who attack the pure devotees. Srila Prabhupada also says that Bon Maharaja "does not follow basic Vaishnava etiquette." And so, a person who cannot even follow the basic principles of religion is Narayana Maharaja's idea of a "pujyapada" saint. Why is it that if we suggest that we worship Prabhupada instead of criminals, envious deviants, and even anus sex worshippers, Narayana Maharaja will get very angry and call us "animal creatures"? Narayana Maharaja says those of us who want to worship Jesus or Prabhupada are "animals," yet even if that is true, we are more advanced than he is. Even us animals never endorse the worship of homosexual pedophiles, and endorse people who murder Krishna's devotees for not bowing down and worshipping NM's anus sex with children guru project.

Narayana Maharaja also said that Madhava Maharaja is another "pujyapad," and he is the founder father of a 1936 homosexual worship project in India which also murdered dissenters. Making a violent homosexual worship cult and thereby orchestrating the murders of innocent devotees makes one a "sripad" or "pujyapada"? In 1970, Srila Prabhupada said that some of his God Brothers might attack him physically, just after being visited by the same Madhava Maharaja. Of course, Narayana Maharaja recently wrote a booklet on "Guru Tattva" (citing Bhagavat Maharaja) wherein he says that "there is nothing wrong" with Madhava and Sridhara maharaja's 1936 homosexual guru project, which murdered people. Narayan Maharaja has described those of us who want to worship bona fide gurus like Jesus and Srila Prabhupada as "animal creatures (ritviks)" yet he sees "nothing wrong" with his "intimate associate's" worship of anus sex guru projects -- which by the way orchestrates the murders of those of us who do not worship their homosexual pedophile "gurus."

Worse, Narayana Maharaja camp's CURRENT use of the word "sripad" to refer to Tamal Krishna is simply astonishing, since it is now well known public knowledge that Tamal is the founder of the post-1977 worship of the homosexual pedophile's project, which resulted in perhaps two thousand children being molested. Many of these children were also starved, beaten, deprived of basic medical assistance -- in addition to being molested. The founder of this child raping and even killing system is a guru "saint," and a "sripad," according to Narayana Maharaja's camp?

And while the molesting was going on, NM was discussing "the love of the gopis" with the orchestrators? Tamal is also the well known prime suspect in the poisoning of Prabhupada scandal. Tamal is also the well known founder of so many other scandals in ISKCON, so how has he become elevated to the status of "guru" and "sripad"? This is the "root problem" of the criminal activity in ISKCON, especially after 1977, the people who were orchestrating the criminality were being given the most exalted titles and status by -- people like Narayana Maharaja. To say Tamal is a "sripad" is like saying "sripad Judas," "sripad Hitler," "sripad Atilla the Hun," or in sum, "sripad Satan." Why is Tamal still being given this exalted title and status? Why hasn't Narayana Maharaja made a public statement that these deviants are not gurus, not sridpadas, not pujyapadas, not bona fide, and instead we keep seeing him or his followers saying NM has been "talking warm heartedly and intimately" with these "gurus and sripads"?]

** -- Sripad Giriraj Maharaja,

[PADA: Giriraja was one of the first people in 1978 to challenge Tamal's false claim that "eleven of the GBC had been appointed as gurus." Thus, Giriraja knew right from the start that the GBC's "guru" program was and is a farce. A few years later, he was taken into Tamal's confidential association and he almost became Tamal's right hand man. Then Giriraja was "voted in" as an ISKCON guru under a "guru voting system" concocted by Narayana Maharaja's associate: Sridhara Maharaja. Of course Narayana Maharaja has also been a supporter of Sridhara and his "guru voting system" and he has backed the idea that Giriraja and other similar deviants are "gurus." Yet no one has ever answered our first question, "How can homosexuals and pedophiles, and their supporters and founder fathers 'vote in' -- a pure devotee guru"? And so Narayana Maharaja has glorified Giriraja as a "guru" knowing full well that he was "voted in" as guru by a homosexual guru clique and similar deviants falsely posing as gurus. Thus, if a person is "certified as guru" by homosexual pedophile guru lovers, while children in their care are being starved, beaten and mass molested, then he is a "sripad guru." In short, Giriraja is one of the worst hypocrites in ISKCON. He said he knew that Prabhupada had not appointed any gurus, yet he then went along with the "appointed guru" project and he became one of Narayana Maharaja's "gopi lessons clones." By the way, in 1998 I gave one of our poison books to Giriraja and he said he was "unaware of the issue," just like he was "unaware" of the molesting and murders going on under his feet. If he is always unaware of the issues, why is he being made a manager in ISKCON?]

** -- Sripad Satsvarupa Gosvami,

[PADA: And yet another great saintly guru and "sripad" is Satsvarupa? And Satsvarupa is the person who threw out most of the devotees who were minding the cows at Gita Nagari, resulting in severe cow neglect and abuse. Indeed, cows were frozen to death, cows were breaking bones from slipping on ice, since water was flowing from broken water pipes, broken pipes which had no one to fix them thanks to Satsvarupa, and so on ad infinitum. And worse, "every single child was molested in Satsvarupa's schools" according to his former teacher, Linda Voith. Satsvarupa is also the person who said in 1986 that homosexual pedophiles like Kirtanananda are "pure devotees" "like Jesus, Haridasa Thakura and Prahlad." According to the writings of Satsvarupa, Narayana Maharaja was already advising the GBC as early as 1984 when Satsvarupa wrote that Narayan Maharaja was helping the GBC with their "re-initiation" scheme. How did you guess? The GBC was saying that homosexual pedophiles "give initiations" (they absorb sins like Jesus), and now you need to be "re-initiated" -- but only by the persons "voted in as guru" by -- the homosexual pedophile "gurus." In other words, in 1986 the GBC said that homosexual pedophile "gurus" and their backers are now "voting in" more gurus. So their idea is that deviants are able to "vote in" another guru, -- someone like Jesus? Once again NM is always trying to establish his system of Papal voting for his "gurus" proving that he is at best, the reincarnation of a medieval Cardinal from Rome. Unfortunately, he tries to make his "initmate friends" i.e. homosexuals, molesters, criminals, poisoners and murderers the exclusive main members his "college of Cardinals" to conduct the votes for the next Jesus.

And Narayana Maharaja was acting as the GBC's "legal scriptural advisor" helping the GBC gangsters put all of this false religion together and "hammer out the details," according to Satsvarupa's "Guru Reform Notebook." Portions of this "Notebook" were first published actually in 1984 wherein Satsvarupa says that Narayana Maharaja is the GBC's "shiksha" (consultant). Yet neither Satsvarupa nor his ghost writer Narayana Maharaja have ever explained how a person like Jesus needs to be "reformed" for committing crimes such as: embezzlement; illicit sex with men, women and children; orchestrating murders, and so on and so forth? Narayan Maharaja has said that his gurus (i.e. his sripada and pujyapada -- Jesus like gurus -- and intimate repartee associates) are falling into illicit affairs and crimes and thus they need to be "reformed." A guru, a person like Jesus, is a criminal who needs to be "reformed"? No, the guru "reforms" the society? He is not "reformed" by being sent to prison for illegal acts and heinous crimes? Nor has any of these people ever explained how their intimate repartee homosexual pedophile lineage of deviants could "vote in" pure gurus, simultaneously, they need to be ghost busted, reformed, and sometimes sent ot jail for criminal acts? And while all of the child molesting, cow abuse, women abuse, devotee abuse, ad infinitum, was going on, what business has NM to be discussing "the colors of the gopis saris" with these child molester and cow torturing tyrants? According to some of the former cow herders from Gita Nagari the local beef cattle ranchers in Pennslyvania said, "sure, we kill our cows, but we do not torture them to death like your (Satsvarupa's) operation."

To sum then, a person like NM's "pujyapada" "guru" Satsvarupa is cold and heartless. Under Satsvarupa's "care" children were starved, beaten and molested. Cows were treated badly if not tortured to death. Women were forced to collect hundreds of thousands of dollars so Satsvarupa could live in a nicely heated Howard Johnson's Motel, eating sumptuous meals, while his gurukuli children were starving and freezing with improper blankets, and his cows were freezing to death. And the women who were collecting the money were outside freezing in the snow collecting his money. A person who is causing so much pain to women, children and cows is: Narayan Maharaja's worshipped pujyapada. Satsvarupa is also well known to have not just neglected the child molesting issue and so many other crimes and crises, he defended the worst culprits like Kirtanananda as "pure devotees." And while people were getting starved, beat, molested and killed due to Satsvarupa's vicious writings that we are "poison pens," he was simultaneously writing his wacky "mystical koans" such as "Prayers to Spider man shoes." Lately, Satsvarupa has been making more wacky things like his "pop art" which according to some, looks like the renderings of a psychopath. Yes, while citizens under his jackboots were being starved, beat, molested, and killed, Satsvarupa was sitting at Howard Johnson's motel watching reruns of "General Hospital" on TV, and reading NM's "bhava classes transcripts."

When Satsvarupa got a packet of hundreds of letters of complaints and crises sent to him in Vrindavana, he tossed all of them into the trash and did not reply to any of these letters. No wonder, Narayana Maharaja told Satsvarupa, "There is no such thing as a managerial body of priests, so you do not have to contain these crises, just come to listen to my 'gopi rasa talks.' (read: let the cow torture, women exploiting, and child molesting go on)." And when one tortures cows, women and children, then Narayana Maharaja falls off his seat in awe and reverence and comes up to lick one's jackboots, thinking he has found then next "pujyapada" and "guru." Of course, those of us who do not torture cows, women and children, Narayan Maharaja says we are "animal creatures." NM just has "intimate" talks with these deviant people about "the gopis" -- while their flock is being starved, beat, molested and killed. For example in 1986 Narayan Maharaj was sitting happily and intimately with the GBC when they announced their big "reform." The sum and substance of the "reform" was: they reinstated a known homosexual pedophile as a "Jesus like guru," and they voted in 20 more bogus Jesus. In sum, Narayana Maharaja was passing around more and more of his Papal infallibility cloaks to more and more homosexuals, criminals, and deviants, and this simply spread more child molesting, crimes, deviations, exploitation's. And encouraging the GBC as "gurus" resulted in Sulochana's murder and so on and so forth. And this is how NM will be remembered for the next ten thousand years, he is the cheerleader for the Judas sabha.

And as a final note, Narayana Maharaja was discussing "the gopis" (Krishna's conjugal lovers) with Satsvarupa and this was recorded by Satsvarupa in his "Journals" -- along with an account of Satsvarupa's inability to pass stools without an enema. Even one of Narayana Maharaja's contemporaries in Vrindavana said, "No one, even the most blasphemous sahajiyas, has ever dared to write about Krishna's conjugal love and -- one's passing of stools with an enema. This is all due to the bogus preaching of Narayana Maharaja." Yes, when someone is "intimately" associated with Narayana Maharaja, he mixes his problems of taking a good crap, his wonderful encounters with an enema bag, and the highest lovers of God called the gopis, all on the same page. Even the animals never dare to mix their stool passing crap with Krishna and the gopis, like NM's top sisya followers! This is the result of NM's drinking from Judas' cup, he has lost his ability to discriminate any form of good and evil as described in the Vedas: "buddhi nasa."]

** -- Sripad Sivarama Swami,

[PADA: In 1986, Sivarama was voted in as guru at the recoronation of a known homosexual pedophile "guru." Yes, anyone who is certified as guru simultaneously with homosexual pedophiles is a "sripad guru." Sivarama is another person who harasses and excludes the worshippers of Prabhupada from ISKCON centers. He was Vipramukhya's supporter for many years. Vipramukhya finally "blooped" and "gave up" his guru position, after kicking out hundreds if not thousands of people from ISKCON. These fools just cause chaos and then leave and do not give a hoot for the fate of ISKCON or its devotees. They establish homosexuals as gurus, and when it is time to account for the resultant mass molesting, they grab some money and leave. Sivarama has not left officially, but he is spending more and more time in places like the former Soviet countries where no one knows about his crimes of supporting deviants as gurus.]

** -- Sripad Dhanurdhara Swami,

[PADA: Dhanurdara Swami was one of the leaders in the "gurukula" system when all of the molesting was going on. According to some accounts, when children complained to him of being molested, he physically beat them severely. Dhanurdhara is credited with traumatizing many children since he is a very large person and he intimidated the molesting victims. In other words, he aided and abetted the molester empire. He was thus forced to write an apology for these actions by the demands of some of his victims, and he admitted that he was engaged in these actions. Thus, a leader of the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles, who beats up small children and forces them to worship child molesters as their Jesus like Vishnupada gurus, is another one of Narayana Maharaja's worshipped "sripads."]

** -- Sriman Bhurijana Prabhu, his wife Srimati Jagattarini Devi and others;

[PADA: Oh great, more apologists and intimate repartee lovers of the Judas/ baby raper guru regime.]

** -- and, His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja.

[PADA: And Bhaktivedanta swami's killer's -- rich, heartwarming intimate repartee lover club's leader, NM.]

** -- There are over 40 hours of captivating questions and answers, along with many rich moments of heartwarming, loving repartee.

[PADA: Do I get to barf now?]

** -- More will soon be available, including other dialogues on such subjects as Srila Raghunatha dasa Gosvami's "Vilapa Kusumanjali", Srimad Bhagavatam 10.21, "Venu-gita"; 10.29 - 33 "Rasa-pancadhyaya"; SB: 10.31, "Gopi-gita"; SB 10.47, "Bhramara-gita." Now all devotees can decide for themselves what was really going on when these devotees spent those many, long years taking siksha at the lotus feet of an elderly, senior Vaishnava (see Srila Prabhupada's excellent purports in Srimad Bhagavatam 3.4.26 and Sri Caitanya-caritamrita, Madhya-lila, Chapter 22, Text 71).

[PADA: Good, show us that while the innocent devotees were being forced to worhip guru poisoner's and baby raper's guru project leaders, NM was their "intimate shiksa advisor."]

** -- It is interesting to note that when asked by the BBT (Bhaktivedanta Book Trust) Trustees to edit Jaiva Dharma for ISKCON members, their chief editor, Sriman Dravida Prabhu found himself in a dilemma as Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura's presentation of jiva tattva differs from official GBC resolutions on the topic.

[PADA: How did you guess? Narayana Maharaja says that Srila Prabhupada's version of jiva tattva is bogus and he agrees with the version of the smarta brahmanas?]

** -- Srila BR Sridhara Gosvami Maharaja,

[PADA: Great, the founder of the 1936 homosexual guru disaster, and cheerleader for the post-1977 GBC gurus, is another one of Narayana Maharaja's intimate repartee associates.]

** -- Srila Gour Govinda Maharaja and Srila BV Narayana Gosvami Maharaja ...

[PADA: When the GBC finally decided that Tamal and his "rasika guru" Narayana Maharaja "had to be removed from ISKCON" in 1993, it was Gaura Govinda Maharaja who said: Tamal and NM have to stay. Gaura Govinda Maharaja said that Tamal has to stay since he was Gaura Govinda's "intimate repartee" guru (?) associate. Sorry, defending guru poisonsers and their baby raper guru Judas party, in any capacity, is a severe crime. Gaura Govinda Maharaja also defends NM's bogus jiva tattva ideas, which is identical to that of the 1936 Gaudiya Matha's deviants and it OPPOSES Prabhupada's version.

Narayana Maharaja was in sum "intimate" with the GBC's guru gangsters whom he engaged in "intimate talks of love of God," while molestation and murder was going on in the back room, and worship of guru poisoners was going on in the front room, on the altars. And all the while, he knew we were protesting these crimes and he said we protesters are: animal creatures, deviants, bogus ritviks, and in sum he has protected the founders of guru poison and anus sex with children worshipping cults. And here we see he is indeed "intimate" with the leaders of that cult. Good, that is how he shall be remembered and known for the next 10,000 years of history. So this is Narayana Maharaja's policy, by his saying we are "animals" -- he is de facto authorizing people to ban, beat and kill us. No wonder since he sits at the feet of guru murderers and people who force children to worship anus sex as "Vishnupada" and he thinks they are his "heartwarming intimate repartee guru associate friends, fit to discuss the highest love of God." And so, NM and his followers may go to the nether regions of their "heartwarming, intimate repartee associates," like Tamal. This is near the planet where Judas and the Roman soldiers who killed Jesus live. And the insulters of God who say that Krishna's successors are: guru poisoners, murderers and molesters, are the worst insulters to God on the planet, which is why Bhagavad Gita says these false preachers are the most abominable and degraded persons and they will go to a destination lower than the average materialistic, but vastly more innocent, citizens. thanks pd]