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PADA Newsletter - 11 April, 2004

Chicago ISKCON 4/04 - Date: April 11, 2004
From: angel108b@yahoo.com (Puranjana)

** PADA Editorial
1) THE CORPSE COUNT
2) HARIKESHA FAILURE (Originally posted by omkara):
3) TRIPURARI'S SAHAJIYA CULT.
4) CHICAGO REPORT
5) MADHUVISA VS JAYADVAITA

Dear folks, PAMHO. AGTSP.

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PADA'S MOST WANTED LIST: Keep us apprised of the whereabouts of Jayapataka, Hridayananda, Bhakticharu and other GBC, thanks.

A few recent comments from some ISKCON gurus (according to PADA's spies): (1) "I was alway afraid of Tamal, he made my skin crawl when he was near me." (2) I think my disciples should consider Prabhupada as their guru and I am initiating on his behalf." (3) "You guys think that Tamal poisoned Prabhupada, well I know Tamal poisoned Prabhupada." (4) "I hate to agree with Puranjan on anything, but I think Jayadvaita's book changes are bogus." Thus: Progress is being made. And Narayana Maharaja is apparently "quite ill from a recent operation." There will soon be a power struggle there as well, most likely Dristadyumna will try to be "the next successor." Trouble is, he is a Tamal clone, and thus he is simply -- not trusted by dint of his association with the former imperious self appointed master of the Jagat, namely Tamal.

Meanwhile the CHICAGO report (see below) shows how badly the Windle Turley lawsuit is causing more and more grief and panic in the GBC camp, and how desperate they are to "gather funds." The lawsuit is evidently causing internal (inter-GBC "guru") back biting, bickering and finger pointing as their "stolen pie" is reducing in size, due in large part to the Windle Turley lawsuit. Again, the people who opposed the lawsuit wanted the GBC to remain well funded and well organized, because they are de facto cheeleaders of the GBC. Whereas we wanted to see their funding and organizational capacity reduced, and the molested children benefitted simultaneously (!) and we are already seeing another side benefit: that some GBC leaders are starting to fight amongst themselves about "who is to blame and who is going to pay"?

As for complaints about "the wording of the Windle Turley case," this was not Turley's own made-up concoction? Rather the idea that "the GBC are the trusted guru successors to God" was presented to Turley by ISKCON's youth, many adults, and countless GBC DOCUMENTS! Who told the children "The GBC are Prabhupada's trusted gurus successors"? The GBC did, and even their own parents did! And before the Turley suit came out, we already provided the correct explanation, that Prabhupada did not "trust the GBC" because -- he made a poison complaint, and so on? So we hope that the knuckle heads who want to "sue Windle Turley" for his hog-tying the GBC and diminishing the GBC's trouble making capacity, and for his saving some of the ISKCON children from depression and suicide, should rather sue the GBC -- for fraudulent takeover by criminal means? In sum, all of us should unite and try to do something about "the poison complaint" instead of attacking some side-show Texas lawyer, who merely repeats the parents and most of the GBC's documents?

Besides: Turley at least helped some of the children? Notice: the noisy critics who want to sue Turley: have not sued the GBC for one red cent? And thus meanwhile, Turley has at least taken some action: and bankrupted them for millions of dollars. And he has helped and encouraged the children? Sorry, Prabhupada is "everyone's" well wisher. To say he had no love for these children and would not want to help them get some justice is cruel and foolish. In short, the GBC are so depleted now, that a poison/ fraud case would be all the EASIER. Yet despite all these factors making it easier to forward such a fraud case, the knucklehead "let's sue Turley" idyoots -- cannot sue: a wet sock? Why won't they help us with the poison case is another question itself?

Anyway, as the Chicago report says: "b. We were told 'GBC supports his Sanyasa based on Vishvambhar's valuable ability to collect funds. Iskcon has law suits pending in court so the GBC feels that we need Sanyasis to collect funds. According to time place and circumstance they consider Vishvambhar Prabhu an asset and thus support his Sanyasa.'" "ISKCON Mayapur and many other projects of ISKCON, not limited to humongous LEGAL FEES required to defend ISKCON FROM MULTI MILLION DOLLAR LAWSUITS (thanks to the behavior of certain individuals in the movement) ISKCON is in dire need of funds." So! They need "sannyasis," or anyone they can find, to battle "lawsuits." That is good news because the money that is going to "the lawsuit" will NOT be going to sue Prabhupadanugas and/or hire thugs to beat them up. At the same time, the CHICAGO report shows how baffling and bewildering the GBC's myriad titles, roles and different hats have confused some people. After all, there is a big "peanut under which shell?" game in ISKCON where "the leaders" are all wearing simultaneously about fifty hats, so they can confuse people as they empty the safe. Here are a few examples:

(a) PURE DEVOTEE GURUS. Sometimes, the leaders advertise themselves as "pure devotee gurus" "residents of the spiritual world" even "like Jesus." For example, when their Pokester-pada saints want to buy a new BMW 740 I, so they can go to the latest Hollywood movies and Italian restaurants with their gurukuli children girlfriends, they are "gurus." And thus, "No one can question the pure devotee (or you will be beaten with shoes)." This is also handy since the pure devotees can meet every year and discuss, "Where is a good place to have our BMWs serviced in Las Vegas"?

(b) GOVERNING BODY MEMBERS. Simultaneously, the leaders advertise themselves as merely "voting members" of a sort of Church's "Governing Body Commission." Yet oddly, they ordain ("empower" is the word they use in GBC documents) other "pure devotee gurus" with their "voting members of the College Of Cardinals guru voting assembly." As you would expect, the "empowered ones" often end up questioning "the empowering body," and then they are chastised for: not being subordinate to (their own?) GBC body? They even excommunicate their gurus from time to time, citing that "they do not accept the authority of the GBC"? Meanwhile, some GBC's forward documents penned by Narayana Maharaja that "'GBC' is not found in shastra" since: none of them exist? They just want the money in your wallet, which apparently, does exist? Then again, we might have to give some of these GBC a little "voting grease," such as large donations, to get our required "guru" or sannyasa votes as is occuring in CHICAGO right now. Then again, one of their Pokester-padas might be "censured" for: not contributing to the GBC's "Legal Defense Fund," since they are currently being sued for having their "assistants of the gopis," perhaps spreading AIDS -- to children? And the question now is: were they actually "empowered" in the first place by murdering people, including Prabhupada?

(c) SANNYASIS. Simultaneously, the leaders advertise that they are aspiring to become renunciates or "sannyasis" and thus they need Prahladananda swami, who is the apparent actual leader of "the sum total of the demigods," to make sure their "guru's" hands are not down their disciple's pants with his "sannyasa ministry." Thus, sometime Prahladanandas writes, "Swami Pokester-pada will have to get three spanks from the sannyasa minstry's paddle at the next Mayapura meeting, adminstered by the sannyasa ministry's high court's magistrate, aka Spanky-pada aka Raw flounder swah blip." Yes, and additionally pokester-pada "sannyasas" have to have their x-rated videos taken away for a one year suspension! Not to worry, "the sannyasa minstry" will hold these videos in the GBC's safe, along with some confiscated strawberry scented condoms taken from their transvestite-pada, resdient of heaven, governing body person, and all round fix-it guy for the GBC's fire brigade. Yet Prabhupada said in early 1977, no more sannyasa, everyone should get married and start to emphasize householders/ varnasrama. Good reason to "put a stop" to his preaching then?

(d) PUNISHMENTS FOR "The Residents of Spiritual World": The leaders are, according to umpteen ka-zillion GBC documents, simultaneously, potential deviants who might be censured, fined, voted out, suspended, if not excommunicated for ill behaviors including "acting against Federal US Laws." This is what happens in the Vaikuntha heavenly world of angels, some angels are in fact crooks who have to be arrested for embezzling money, having illicit sex with men, women and children, and of course: murder. And when pokester-pada is shooting huge piles of beer bottles to pieces with his 12 guage shot gun in front of his cabin, "none should protest," because "we would not want to disturb the faith of the sisyas" in -- beer bottle pooja? PADA of course altered the song about this quite substantially in 1984, "ninety nine gurus on the wall, ninety nine gurus on the wall, and what should happen when one should fall, ninety eight gurus on the wall, etc." ... while Trivrikrama rolled his eyes in disgust. Clearly, this violated GBC resolution 44.33.56 -b, paragraph 6, that, "When the guru is sozzled down to his socks, give him the whole percodan pill and quit cutting the pill in half, this is not working." Yet we find no examples where previous acharyas were voted in, voted out, excommunited, etc.?

(e) DEMONS. And when all the above convoluted explanations start to fall apart, bingo boingo abracadabra, "All pure residents of heaven are, or potentially might be, at least according to GBC documents, Gaura Govinda swami and others -- demons." In sum, when the immoral, obnoxious, and criminal actions are simply to widespread to contain, well, jeepers, you were such and idiot you were "worshpping a demon."

And all of them can switch hats at a second's notice, well yes prabhu, your guru is an assistant of the gopis, I mean, he is a demon, I forgot which hat he is wearing today? No wonder this is all -- falling apart, there never was any "other plan" other than, "smash and grab." Meanwhile Jayadvaita swami told PADA some years ago that: he is not sure if any of the GBC "gurus" are really gurus, or demons? He says we have to worship his alleged gurus, but he is not sure if they are demons? Yet they are to be worshipped as Krishna's successors? This might be a mango, or dog stool, but you have to eat it anyway and/or offer it to Krishna? Swell policy.

As for the IRM, we do want to work with all of the devotees who are promoting "Prabhupada as the guru" and we are glad they are doing that. What Krishna Kanta did not take into account at the beginning of his "reform" plan was: that many of us are not interested in "reforming" the GBC and making them into "the next wave of leaders and ritviks" as he proposes to us. We think the current GBC are overall corrupt, if not guilty of criminal fraud, and so they are not fit to have posts of authority. Next, he failed to take into account that the root of the initiation deviation or "ritvik issue" is not "a misunderstanding of the July 9th letter" as he says, rather this is a wholesale criminal take over. Next, he was "behind the eight ball" when we brought up other issues like: child molesting, women's exploitation, changing the books, fraud, embezzlement, marriage breaking preaching, ad infinitum. This is not a "single issue" problem here, as the IRM attempts to make it by singular focus on "the initiations." Yes, false "tithes for blessings of the Pope" are one problem, true enough, but so is "burning folks at the stake" yet another problem? We cannot mutually exclude either/any problem since they are all rooted in the same issue, namely criminal exploitation?

All aspects and facets of Prabhupada's movement have been afflicted by the criminal takeover, not just the "initiations issue" although that is one of the issues that needs to be reformed and we agree. Next, we are not going to surrender to anyone's "one man band" attempt to get everyone behind one single "reform" individual, whether that is Krishna Kanta, Sanat, or any of the other independent maverick self-styled "reformers of the reform." There is going to be a group effort or we will simply duplicate the Gaudiya Matha's or GBC's failure. Next, we specifically asked Adridharana to help us with the hindi on "the poison case" and he flat out refused to help us, saying essentially that this is not an important issue. Then, a few months later he came out blasting us for: not being proper hindi speakers? We already told him we did not speak hindi? We don't speak Russian either? Then, he refuses to answer, why should the poison issue be suppressed and ignored as he wants to do, since thousands of devotees want the issue brought onto the front burner? Why is he ignoring and even harassing the thousands of devotees who want recognition of this issue? And why didn't Adri speak up about the poison issue way back in 1977 since he was in the room and he knew about it? By not speaking up in 1977, by covering for the poisoners all along as he did, and then by critcizing actually Prabhupada's hindi and not ours, even up to the present day, he has cast a lot of suspicion upon -- himself. Everyone whom we tell these events to, how he harassed us on this investigation at every step, they say, "Adri has something to hide." So, let us drop all these personal grudges and go forward, but if people are not interested in the primary root issue of the criminal takeover, they are going to be left standing in the dust as everyone else is moving forward with that issue. thanks pd

1) THE CORPSE COUNT
From: ***** - At Shree Dhama Mayapura now there are so many dead guru dudes. And many more to come. I think this place should be left for our Sampradaya Acharya Srila Prabhupada. Since we are all part of his Sampradaya but not all part of this guru or that guru, why fill it up with corpses? What do you all think? posted March 08, 2004 03:43 AM

2) HARIKESHA FAILURE
(Originally posted by omkara): It was a major blow to me when Harikesa Maharaja fell down, bc I looked up to him so much. I guess I learned from that though that empowerment/effulgence/charisma is not always attendant with purity. But Satsvarupa Maharaja? He was always the humble, sincere one, right from the start..... If he and Harikesh end up like this after all their dedication, then what chance do I have?

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3) TRIPURARI'S SAHAJIYA CULT.
From: ***** - Only, if you can get some big guns like Tripurari Maharaja to debate and challenge their attempts to show errors and defects in Prabhupada's teachings will you be able to amass a readership and garner a following. However, if you present their attacks on Srila Prabhupada without presenting rebuttles from some major disciples of Prabhupada, your site will not be popular. These fellows like to try and show how Prabhupada did not know the difference between Ragatmika and Raganuga bhakti and propose that the babjis have given the true interpretation and ignore the fact that neither one of them would know the first thing about Vaishnavism had not Prabhupada introduced the whole world to Krsna consciousness and Bhakti-yoga. thanks ******

From: ***** - What gets me about these self-styled self-appointed gurus who think they are more advanced than anyone and are the real heirs to Prabhupada's throne is that they have got themselves set up in some kind of yuppie bachelor paradise that makes most regular households look austere. Here's this sannyasi preacher living in a very stylish (designed by a very gay architect whom Bhavanada would have just loved), comfortable residence with all the latest amenities, comfortable Volvo, expensive pets (three exotic Indian zibu cows that he keeps as personal pets - they don't give milk or anything - and cost him thousands of dollars a year to maintain) along with an expensive breed of Bengali cat ($600-$700) which are not cheap to maintain, expensive marble tubs and sinks, trendy Zen style architecture and furniture. Any one else lives like this you would call them yuppie or gay - but here's Swami B.V. Tripurari (he made up the Swami B.V. by the way) calling his private pad a "monastery" since he has a couple of "disciples" with him (simple minded lackeys who work for free). And then there is his long term darling bliss chick disciple and who knows what's really happening with that. Anyway you get the picture. If some one wants to live the good life and practice Krishna consciousness, that's fine. But if someone plays the role of an advanced Gaudiya guru and takes advantage of innocent, gullible people to bankroll a comfy yuppie "spiritual" lifestyle and is accountable to no one but himself, then I think the Ministry of Gurus should suspend his license if he ever had a proper license to begin with.

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p.s. In order to get a true picture, may I humbly request that everyone to go through all the 6 letters that follow.

Letter 1. Sent out to concerned G.B.C. members February 15, 2004 FROM CHICAGO

Dear Prahaladananda Swami, Please accept our humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. All glories unto all Vaishnavas. After conducting several discussions, pertaining to Vishvambhar Prabhu’s Sanyasa and in reference to our last telephonic conversation and as per your request, we are expressing our opinion in writing. The last meeting pertaining to the above subject matter was conducted on Tuesday Feb 10, 2004 at the Chicago ISKCON; comprising of resident senior Srila Prabhupada disciples, temple administrators, devotees, long time ISKCON initiated congregation members & supporters. The following points were discussed at the meeting:

The purpose of the meeting: a brief introduction and history of Vishvambhar Prabhu was given by H. G. Shankar Pandit Prabhu. Important points pertaining to qualification for Sanyasa Ashram: Temple President Sunil Madhava Prabhu suggested that qualifications for Sanayasa ashram candidate be discussed, and whether or not Vishvambhar Prabhu met those standards or qualifications. H. G. Kalki Prabhu and the devotees at the meeting also suggested "voicing an opinion" not on any individual but on the qualifications of Sanyasa candidate and Sanyasa Ashram; based on Shastra and Srila Prabhupada's teachings and example.

Vote (FOR or AGAINST) with valid explanation(s): A suggestion by Temple President Sunil Madhava Das, univocally supported, that a vote be cast with valid explanation(s), in favor of, or against recommendation to the G.B. C., for Vishvambhar Prabhu’s Sanyasa. Brief narration, comments, and suggestions: The following is a brief narration, comments, & suggestions; of individuals who have interacted with Vishvambhar Prabhu:

a) Intention: Vishvambhar Prabhu has been with the movement for almost 3 decades, and it has been observed by those who have known him for that long, that he has been an active grahastha preacher, having completed his family responsibilities successfully, decided to move up a rung to the Vanaprastha Ashram. He had also applied for Sanyasa approximately 4 years ago, with the intention to preach Krishna Consciousness effectively.

b) Concerns about Improper Method adopted for Collecting Donations: Several congregation members have felt that Vishvambhar Prabhu has adopted a "guilt trap technique" in the name of ISKCON & scriptures. Vishvambhar Prabhu has been pressurizing congregation members for donations.

Donations from several congregation members have been collected; some in cash and some in Checks issued to ISKCON, the returned checks to the donors have endorsements of deposits to personal / private Citibank account (or accounts other than ISCKON). It was quite embarrassing, when this modus operandi was discovered and brought to the attention of the Temple President. These collections were not authorized or channeled through the local temple authorities. The senior Vaishnnavas and congregation members feel that this is "not a proper way of functioning," and thus leading to doubts about misappropriation of donations.

- The following comments were made by Vishvambhar Prabhu on different occasions, which devotees and congregation members feel are unfit for any devotee; and especially a Sanyasa candidate: At the conclusion of a home program, a few weeks ago he said to the host "Give me my donation, I want to go." - On another occasion he had said "If all Sanyasis in ISKCON are making money, why not me?"

"Devotees need money, not fruit and grains in Dakshina." - Due to the unavailability of any other devotee, a couple Sundays ago, one long time congregation member and initiated devotee requested Vishvambhar Prabhu to perform Tulsi aartik, just after he finished delivering the Sunday Feast Lecture; Vishvambhar Prabhu remarked: "I don’t have time, I have to go." A few minutes later he was found in the Prasadam hall.

d) Inappropriate mingling with the opposite Sex: In Feb of 2003, it was brought to the attention of Sanayas GBC minister H.H. Prahladanda Maharaja and Chicago G.B.C. H.H Romopada Swami about Vishvambhar Prabhu’s associating, mingling and travelling with a mataji (sometimes incognito); without the presence of any other persons. It has also been observed by devotees that he has been residing at her residence in Barrington Illinois for days together. Not much has changed since then as because eye witnesses have confirmed Vishvambhar Prabhu’s meeting and mingling with her. It has also been observed by Skokie - Illinois Bhakti Vriksha members that Vishvambhar Prabhu would sometimes arrive with her in the same car, and if he drove separately, he would wait outside the host’s home until she arrived.

e) Unaccountability of time stayed outside of temple: It is the observation and concern of all temple residents about Vishvambhar Prabhu’s pattern (at least for the last 6 months on a consistent basis) about his whereabouts. Although he occupies a permanent room, he is hardly seen in the temple. It is reported that on most Thursday’s Vishvambhar Prabhu performs Mangla aartik pujari seva and after Guru Puja he gives Srimad Bhagavatan lecture, thereafter he disappears the whole week, with the exception of arriving in the temple Sunday evenings around 7:00p.m, only when scheduled for Sunday lecture; or when H.H. Romaopada Swami is visiting Chicago. He is seen at the Skokie Bhakti Vriksha Program on Mondays and Fridays respectively for 2 hours.

[PADA: Again quite common, Harikesha, Bhavananda, Ramesvara, et al. they would give a lecture at the temple once in awhile, and then, no one knew where they were.]

When asked by temple authorities about his whereabouts, he says, "I am staying at different Bhakti Vriksha member’s houses for preaching purposes." He had given names of those members. This unusual consistent disappearance was reported to the local G.B.C. Upon receiving an order for investigation from the local G.B.C, Temple President and authorities made an investigation, the result was that, none of the members who Vishvambhar Prabhu stated confirmed his stay at their respective residences even for one night. One congregation member has witnessed his stay during the rest of the week at the 'matajis' house in Barrington Illinois. Resident devotees feel that the due to the 'lack of substantial seva' temple accommodation is being abused.

Sanyasa is the highest order of the Varnashrama dharma, a lot of trust is entrusted on such spiritual leaders by the society and devotees. Yad yad acharati sreshtas tat tad evataro janah/ Say yat pramamam kurute lokas tad anuvartate/ Whatever a great man or leaders do, common men follow. Whatever standards he sets by exemplary acts, all the world pursues. (Bhagavad Gita 3:21) "One may not drink alcoholic beverages but if he is seen walking out or in the vicinity of a bar then there is room for doubts." Mahaprabhu’s chastisements of Chota Haridas, Sri Yamunacharya’s thoughts on sex, are some of the few examples of how devotees should behave in the presence of the opposite sex. Matra svasra duhirtrava naviviktasasano bhavet/ Balavan indriya-gramovidvaamsam api karsati/ One should not sit on the same seat even with one’s own mother, sister or own daughter, for the senses are so strong that even though one is very advanced in knowledge, he may be attracted by sex. (SB 9:19:17).

[PADA: But since these guys are pure devotee "gurus," they are above all these injunctions?]

Srila Prahupada would often quote this verse from SB 9:19:17 as regards to how a devotee, especially a Sanyasi should act when a member of the opposite sex is present. Srila Prabhupada would always request a disciple or devote to remain in the room when any mataji (or his very own sister Mahbhagvati Pishima came to see him). Srila Prabhupada and Pishima are transcendental to mundane conceptions of bodily designations, he does not need any third person’s presence in the room when he is with any mataji, but to set an example for us Vaidhi Bhakti followers he imposed such restrictions and regulations even on himself.

6) Conclusion & Recommendations: In consideration of the above facts, EVERYONE VOTED AGAINST RECOMMENDATION FOR SAYASA OF VISHVAMBHAR PRABHU.

[PADA: Also good, people are waking up that we cannot keep rubber stamping fools as saints.]

The unanimous opinion at the last meeting was that: a) He should be monitored and guided constantly by exemplary senior Sanyasis in the movement.

[PADA: And who would that be? Visvambar himself says they are ALL after money, so if the whole pack is bad, according to himself?]

b) Constantly serve, stay and travel with such exemplary Sanayasis at different centers of ISKCON; thereby not favoring or developing attachment to any particular members of the congregation, family members or relatives contrary to the teachings of Acharyas, Guru, Sadhu and Shastra.

d) Vishvambhar Prabhu must wait it out at least a couple years, for consideration of Sanyasa; subject to the approval and satisfaction of G.B.C., local temple authorities, congregation members & Iskcon supporters. It is out of concern for the well being of Iskcon and Vishvambhar Prabhu that the above concerns, facts are being brought to the attention of the G.B.C.

[PADA: And why does the peons have to remind the GBC that their sannyasa/ guru program is a massive flop?]

Empowered by Mahaprabhu, Srila Prabhupada was on a special mission of spreading Krishna Consciousness all over the world. His achievement is unparalleled & second to none in the history of this world. Due to his advanced age, and the limited time he had; according to time place & circumstances he engaged any willing soul most effectively in spreading the movement. Even rapid Sanyasa was given to young devotees to execute the desire of Mahaprabhu.

[PADA: And in early 1977 Prabhupada said sannyasa was not working and he suspended making more sannyasas.]

Srila Prabhupada was sometimes misunderstood by his God brothers when he gave Sanyasa to his western disciples. He was even criticized by some, especially after a lot of Sanyasis in Iskcon 'fell down.' It is the duty of all us to act responsibly in such away that Srila Prabhupada’s integrity is protected. Of course a pure devotee’s integrity can never be questioned or judged or tarnished. It will do them (the society, common people, neophytes and less intelligent people) well, if they are never given an opportunity to criticize, doubt or commit offences at the lotus feet of Mahabhagvats like Srila Prabhupada and his Institution.

[PADA: Good point. Yet, right now the GBC says that gurus are sometimes demons, so they are attacking the whole principle of pure gurus.]

Hari stane apradhe tare hari naam/ Toma sthane apradhe nahi paritraan/ If one commits an offence against the Lord, the holy name can deliver, but if one commits an offense against a pure Viahnava there is no recourse (Srila Narrotamdas Thakur). Please convey our respectful obeisances unto all Vaishnavas. In the service of Srila Prabhupada,

LETTER 3 Sent out to concerned G.B.C. members February 16, 2004 FROM Satchitananda Das, Chicago..

Please accept our humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. Pursuant to the letter that I had e-mailed to your holinesses dated Sunday, February 15, 2004 at approximately 17:30 (Chicago time), on behalf of the Temple and congregation members, I would like to give you all an update of the meeting conducted at the Chicago temple on Sunday February 15, 2004 also.

... In the meeting he mentioned that Vishhvambhar had called him, Kalki Prabhu and Shankar Pandit Prabhu. Sunil Madhava Prabhu, declared that there was "miscommunication" And that Vishvambhar Prabhu had cleared up those doubts regarding his soliciting donations, stay at the Radhika Joshi’s residence & disappearance from the temple. The following explanation of Vishvambhar Prabhu was narrated by Sunil Madhava Prabhu Pertaining to: (1) Soliciting /Collection of Donations:

a. "So far he has collected approximately $20,000 for Mayapur and that he has turned the collected money in, and has promised receipts to all donors upon his arrival." Considering Vishvambhar Prabhu’s past, not channeling the funds through temple (as recent as Jan ’04 in Chicago) in Los Angeles and Detroit, we feel he should not be directly authorized to collect funds. Yesterday it came as shock to most of us when Kalki Prabhu revealed this information at the meeting about the inappropriate handing of funds by Vishvambhar Prabhu in Detroit and L.A. temples.

We were informed that he was asked to leave both the locations on account of the above. Also we very strongly feel based on his collection technique and depositing donations in private accounts, without proper communication, he would probably continue to do so. (Please refer letter dated Feb 15, 2004 reference to Citi Bank private account used by Vishvambhar Prabhu for deposits.) It is only because now, that his Sanyasa is in question, he has decided to turn in all the funds and reveal information about his collection activites to the local authorities.

b. We were told "GBC supports his Sanyasa based on Vishvambhar valuable ability to collect funds. Isckon has law suits pending in court so the GBC feels that we need Sanyasis to collect funds. According to time place & circumstance they consider Vishvambhar Prabhu an asset and thus support his Sanyasa."

So then we have a question here for your holinesses: Is the Sanyasa Ashram meant for collection of funds or preaching? We do agree Laxmi is needed to operate an institution, but there are different ashrams that can take responsibility for collecting funds. "Yukta Vairagya" is simply being misinterpreted for personal ambitions, rather than fulfilling the desire of Prabhupada and Krishna. Who else can be a better example than Srila Prabhupada? We all know that Sri Laxmi Devi would come with folded hands to assist Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada never adopted "cheap tricks" or gave Sanyasa for collection purposes. When a preacher touches the heart of people and when the people realize that the preacher has no self motivation, the only motive is genuine compassion and spiritual well being, then people will freely give, more then one can imagine, the Parmatma within the heart of the people inspires them to donate generously to help spread the movement.

Tridandam-etan –niksipya sarva bhuteshu manavah/ Kama-krodhau ta samyaya tatah siddhim niyacchati/ One who disciplines his mind, speech, body & controls his lust and anger towards other living beings and thus gives them these qualities is a tridandi and attains liberation. (Manu Samhita 12:11) Srila Prabhupada writes in his purport of Srimad Bhagavatam 2:2:5 "The renounced order of life is never meant for begging or living at the expense of other as a parasite. According to the dictionary a parasite is a sycophant who lives at the cost of society without making any contribution to that society."

c. It was also stated by Vishvambhar Prabhu, conveyed by Sunil Madhava Prabhu that, "We know a lot of Sanyasis who are not very strict about their ashram, doing wrongful activities and are also collecting money, so if they are doing that why are you all punishing me?, by not recommending my Sanyasa."

[PADA: All the other GBC sannyasis are crooks, so why single me out? Good point.]

So then here the question arises, is the society of many "wrong doers" our standard or ideal or is it those few who are adhering to the religious principles?

d. Pertaining to his stay with the Joshi family for a prolonged period, this is the explanation provided by Vishvambhar Prabhu, "I was staying with them, as because there was a family crisis, Mr. Joshi’s brother died untimely and I was giving them strength spiritually and helping them out during their rough times."

That was very nice of Vishvambhar Prabhu. He did help them out, I have no doubt about that, but then the question arises here that Mr. Joshi’s brother passed away approximately 4 months ago; Vishvambhar Prabhu has been staying with them on a regular basis before the family crisis. Last year during Feb 2003, he traveled with Mrs. Joshi extensively against the rules of Vanaprashta and Sanyasa ashram. Also he has misinformed the GBC, local temple authorities about him staying at other congregation members houses, so is it a good example for someone who is on the verge of taking the highest order of the Varnashram Dharma????

In the meeting Shankar Pandit Prabhu & Kalki Prabhu mentioned that Vishvsambhar Prabhu spoke to them at length on Friday and Saturday, persuading them to support his Sanyasa. We were told directly by them, yesterday that they have disapproved and have suggested that Vishvambhar Prabhu wait a little bit more, show a sincere and genuine desire to change and act appropriately as a Sanyasa candidate.

H.H. Holiness Bhakti Caru Swami Maharaja had also called Sunil Madhava Prabhu pertaining to this issue. Sunil Madhava Prabhu quoted "Maharaja expressed that, We feel bad that we were not able to give Sanyasa to Vishvambhar Prabhu last year," Maharaja suggested that Sunil Madhava Prabhu, "talk to all the devotees / congregation members and reconsider." As per Bhakti Caru Maharaja’s suggestion that was not done. Sunil Madhava Prabhu confessed in the meeting that he had spoken only to Murari Chaitanya Prabhu and Abhimanyu Prabhu, they had no objection if it was o.k. with him (Sunil Madhava Das), Sri Amar Upadhaya and Ram Shraddha Prabhu were contacted by phone after the last letter of approval/ recommendation was e-mailed to your holinesses.

Ram Shraddha Prabhu: "Sunil called me and told me that Satchitananda has not prepared the letter yet, so we sent out a letter, Vishvmbhar Prabhu is calling me, Shankar Pandit Prabhu and Kalki Prabhu constantly, so what should we do now? Vishvambhar Prabhu has given his explanations, and is sorry about the 'lack of communication,' The GBC including HH Romapada Maharaja has supported Vishvambhar Prabhu’s Sanyasa, and so I feel it is o.k. to recommend his Sanyasa." To which, Ram Shraddha Prabhu replied, "Have you contacted every one else who were present in the meeting? and have you got an opinion from them about Vishvambhar Prabhu’s justifications?" It is obvious so far that Sunil Madhav Prabhu has succumbed to 'tactical ploys' in the name of GBC being supportive. Sunil Madhava Prabhu said, "If the GBC has approved Vishvambhar Prabhu’s Sanyasa then we are nothing, so we should just co-operate."

[PADA: Cooperate with what? The GBC also reinstates known homosexual pedophiles to be worshipped as Vishnupada. We are supposed to "cooperate" with them? That is what Gaura Govinda swami told me after the 1986 recoronation of a pedophile as guru, he has to cooperate with them. Why?]

Our concern here is: Is the GBC supportive in spite of the information that contradicts Srila Prabhupada’s teachings pertaining to Vishvambhar Prabhu’s behavior?

[PADA: Good. People who are not qualified should not be given posts and titles, whether sannyasa, or guru.]

It is our understanding that the Guru's and GBC's depend on local authorities and congregation members when it comes bestowing initiations and election of responsible positions. So, if the GBC is misinformed then what is the remedy?

[PADA: Another good point, the GBC needs "local men" to oversee things, yet then they kicked out most of the "local men" and imported a few guys from Bengal, and many more from Columbia (who speak Spanish) and who are unaware of any of the pertinent issues? Read: they do not want oversight of the society.]

At this point we personally feel that there is 'double standards.' Just 7 days ago, every agreed without any hesitation and cast a 100% vote against Vishvambhar Prabhu’s Sanyasa; including Sunil Madhava Prabhu, with an emphatic 'NO,' then what made him act independently, that he not only changed his opinion but even went to the extent of misrepresenting the Congregation and other devotees by sending out the approval letter dated February 14, 2004? Temple President, Sanyasis, Guru's, GBC's are responsible positions not meant for self aggrandizement or personal conveniences. Due to great pious activities Krishna has bestowed such positions, they must be used properly.

Finally we suggest that (1) Sanyasi committee be designated in Chicago, make all necessary investigations to verify or dispute the activities of Vishvambhar Prabhu. (2) If Sanyasa is given, without a thorough investigation, the Indian Community leaders may approach the Chicago Indian Community at large and expose such Scandalous individuals.

Since we feel strongly feel that the GBC is misinformed, at this point it is not our intention to make this issue public. We are confident that a thorough investigation will only help the situation, not hurt.

Yours, in the Service of Srila Prabhupada,
Satchitananda Das

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PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS LETTER WAS SENT OUT AS A LAST RESORT SINCE NO ACKNOWLEDGEMENT WAS RECEIVED. AND AS MENTIONED EARLIER "Some of these leaders take other devotees for granted in the movement who have no 'official position' or turn a deaf ear, even worse is when they hypocritically act by promising to take care of inappropriate situations but act otherwise.. How then can one handle situations like this"?

LETTER 4 Sent out to concerned G.B.C. members, Chicago Prabhupada disciples, devotees & congregation members February 16, 2004 FROM Satchitananda Das, Chicago..

Dear Devotees, Hare Krishna. Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. Ref: FUNDS NEEDED DESPERATELY FOR ISKCON. ISKCON Mayapur & many other projects of ISKCON, not limited to humongous LEGAL FEES required to defend ISKCON FROM MULTI MILLION DOLLAR LAWSUITS, (thanks to the behavior of certain individuals in the movement) ISKCON is in dire need of funds. Please help generously. Although Pure Devotees, Sadhu's & Scriptures say: "Persons entrapped by the consciousness of enjoying material life, and who have therefore accepted as their leader or guru, a similar blind man attached to external sense objects, cannot understand that the goal of life is s to return home, back to Godhead and engage in the service of Lord Vishnu. As a blind man guided by another blind man miss the right path and fall into a ditch, materially attached men led by another materially attached man are bound by the ropes of labor. Which are very strong. They continue again & again in materialistic life, suffering the threefold miseries." (Srimad Bhagavatam 7:5:31)

Vishvambhar Prabhu’s reconsideration of Sanyasa and approval by individuals in authoritative positions, have their own interpretations of "kala, desh, parta" (time, place & circumstance) and qualifications for Sanyasa. Based on statements and actions and feelings of individuals in authoritative positions (I don’t mind revealing specific names, if requested), pertaining to reconsideration of Vishvambhar Prabhu’s Sanyasa, I feel we should advertise, using the media to expedite the fund raising project. What follows is an AD for everyone’s review, opinion and corrections. I hope this advertisement will expedite the fund raising project. I am sure we can find sponsors to run this AD in all major publications.

Sanyasa for Sale! Sanayasa available to candidates who have potential to collect; or promise to collect, $2,000,000 (Two Million Dollars only). Candidates must have some knowledge of scripture. Untruthfulness, unaccountability & misuse of funds collected on behalf of ISKCON, inappropriate behavior, eating in restaurants and material ambitions will be overlooked for the right candidate. Please get letter of recommendation from local President by hook or crook for consideration.

Perks: Lucrative commission structure on funds collected. Free 5 star type accommodation and vegetarian gourmet 3 course meals at over 500 locations around the world, air travel, seat of honor a part of the package. I hope this meets everyone in the best of health and intelligence. Satchitanada Das Vaihnava Das anu Das abhilashit.

LETTER 5 Response to Letter 4 from GBC member HH Romapda Swami, Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:47 PM.

Dear Satchitananda das, Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

I rec'd your letter of 25-Feb-04, and forwarded a copy to your guru maharaja. I humbly request that you contact Bhakti Charu Swami directly before you go further with any more e-mailings expressing your very strong feelings on this issue. Completely aside from the message itself which you wish to share with others, the method you are employing as well as the tone is NOT going to properly represent your most beloved, respected and highly-cultured spiritual master to the rest of the vaisnava community. Please consider this, and most importantly please directly contact your guru maharaja. Thank you, Satchitananda das. your servant, Romapada Swami

Dear Srila Guru Maharaja, Srila Romadpada Swami Maharaja, Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. All glories unto all the Vaishnavas. I tried to reach your holinesses via telephone last week, was unable get through. It is with great pain I write this to the devotees, leaders in our community and readers, humbly asking for guidance. After reading the 4letters that follow, please express your opinions to the concerned G.B.C. members & leaders of our great movement.

Sometimes I feel so discouraged and depressed when than Devotional service there are 'undue influences,' politics that affect our leaders, and wonder what I should do? Should I leave Iskcon?, but then I am reminded of Srila Prabhupada’s words "NEVER LEAVE ISKCON," YOUR LOVE FOR ME, MEANS CO-OPERATING WITH EACH OTHER."

I know I can never leave Isckon. It is Srila Prabhupada’s body. Association of devotees is very important. We have the topmost philosophy, very high standards of Deity worship, beautiful Deities, temple programs and festivals and also ample engagement (service) for any one, regardless of their background or time in the movement. I am indebted to that servant of Srila Prabhupada first, who made Srila Prabhupada’s teachings accessible to me, the devotees who imparted Gauidaiya Vaishnava philosophy, engaged me in service, guided me, and helped me in ‘bhajan kriya’. Srila Prabhupada is my life and soul. Some individuals with positions sometimes simply ignore facts and teachings of Srila Prabhupada and may be committing blunders, so where does one go?; whom should they approach when the leaders are silent? Some of these leaders take other devotees for granted in the movement who have no 'official position' or turn a deaf ear, even worse hypocritically act by promising to take care of inappropriate situations but act otherwise. How then can one handle situations like this without committing offenses? Who do I look forward too?

Many of you all (including myself) feel that by going public it may do MORE HARM to the institution than GOOD., but if individuals in authoritative positions are sometimes misinformed by local authorities and thus the G.B.C. or leaders may act in accordance to this misinformation, or in spite of FACTS presented 'as it is' LOOK THE OTHER WAY; and are about to 'elect / initiate' another leader, then what is the remedy? These correspondences are not aimed at any one particular individual, due to any personal interactions; but to get an opinion, guidance and actions based on Guruvarg, Sadhu & Shastra. I know I am far from perfect. In fact I have a lot of defects in me, but Srila Prabhupada’s teachings are prefect, so I am simply qoting Srila Prabhupad’s words. One thing is for sure that under oath I have quoted facts, statements made by devotees "as it is". It is now unto you all to investigate the situation.

Just as H.H . Romapada Swami Maharaja mentioned in his e-mail today that: "the method you are employing as well as the tone is NOT going to properly represent your most beloved, respected and highly-cultured spiritual master to rest of the vaisnava community." With folded hands I request, please do not misunderstand me. I have the best intentions and am acting in accordance to Srila Prabhupada’s teachings although I have limited intelligence. I hope this bold step of conveying the TRUTH, will only enhance my Guru Maharaja’s prestige. I knowing very well that there may be certain repercussions and bureaucratic attitudes may be displayed towards me in the future by certain individuals with 'positions,' but I am indebted to Srila Prabhupada, I cannot overlook such a big blunder. It would be in contempt of Srila Prabhupada and 'Singha' Jagat Guru Srila Bhakti Sidhhanta Saraswati Prabhupada. Please bless me that I may not go astray and always please the Vaishnavas. If I have committed any offenses, I beg for forgiveness and guidance.

Satchitananda Das. p.s.In order to get a true picture, may I humbly reqest Srila Guru Maharaja to go through all the 4 letters.

> I humbly admit I found it uncomfortable that you yelled at me so much tonight, calling me so many bad names and overall was very rough with me.

> We are both followers of Srila Prabhupada and we may have different opinions on some points but we should be able to meet in a gentlemanly manner.

You're twenty years my junior. You claim to be a brahmacari, and I am a sannyasi. You were initiated (if at all) ten years later than me.

[PADA: And that is why "juniors" like Madhuvisa know homosexual pedophiles are not God's successor gurus whereas "seniors" like Jayadvaita are bucket boys for the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles regime. At least JAS is the "senior" bucket boy and boot licker for the (as Sulochana said: butt buster) guru's project.]

And yet you think you're perfectly within your rights to broadcast to the whole world, "Jayadvaita Swami [is] disobeying Srila Prabhupada's direct order that he should not change a word in his books" (an order, of course, that Srila Prabhupada never gave me). And still, after publishing this and other such thoroughly rude insults, you somehow believe you're entitled to be treated "in a gentlemanly manner." Hmmm. . .

> You are asking me to apologize but I would humbly request some sort of apology from you also. You called me "shit head" so many times, I really do not think that is appropriate.

You're right. I apologize [for calling you "s...head"]. If I'd used Srila Prabhupada's language, I would have said you have cow dung for brains.

[PADA: Yes again, anyone who does not worship homosexual pedophile guru lineages is a fool, for Jayadvaita.]

> I understand you are upset about some of the things I have posted on the net, but on close examination you will find that every posting contains a significant point which we need to consider.

And lots of garbage we don't. And, by the way, you don't raise any points that BBT editors and consultants with much finer discretion than you haven't considered already....

> Just on the few changes we looked at tonight you admitted to three errors you have introduced into the new version and surely if one did a through study there would be many hundreds of new errors.

Two, if I recall. Both of them petty. And I didn't admit that I introduced them. If you'd been listening, you might have heard that I didn't know whether the errors were mine or those of a typist.

> The point of my website is to show that in so many ways the philosophy presented in your gita differers substantially from Prabhupada's original gita. And you accept that. I accept that in some cases you have recovered missing things, etc. But overall I can not personally put my faith in your gita and so many devotees feel like this.

> But your edited gita rests on your authority. You have decided what to change and what not to change and as we saw there are so many things you could have changed, but have chosen not to, therefore it is all according to your opinion. You have decided what to change and what not to change.

Son, *every* editor decides what to change and what not to change. And your complaint seems to be that my opinions differ from yours. Your opinion is that perhaps fifty of the revisions are justified, the rest not.... Should I feel crushed? Yes, after due deliberation and consultation, I decided what to change and what not to change....

> The point I have made is this is a very dangerous precedent for the future. We have to preserve the original teachings of Srila Prabhupada. And the original MacMillan gita was accepted by Prabhupada, he did not request anyone to reedit it. That is the main point. If Prabhupada wanted his books reedited that would be a different matter.

> TKG put this exact question to Srila Prabhupada in the rascal editors conversation, "Can JAS go through and reedit the books?" and Prabhupada's conclusion was, "No, the next printing should be the original way." So that is a clear order from Srila Prabhupada NOT to reedit the books. Your interpretation of this is not honest. The original way clearly means the original way the books were printed.

Not honest? Dear Mr. Honesty: I'm sitting here in front of my VedaBase, and I'll be hog-tied if I see anywhere in that conversation, "Can JAS go through and reedit the books?" You can take your brand of honesty and shove it.

> I think you are a little unfair in so heavily criticizing the articles I have written,

> I am not anything special but I am sincerely trying to serve Srila Prabhupada with all my energy and I do not really find it very comfortable if you just want to yell at me and call me names.

Oh, you're uncomfortable, are you? Dear, dear! You can dish out insults to your seniors in public, but when your seniors dish it out to you in private, you can't take it. Poor baby!

> What is the point of this? My points are valid, and you have agreed to that, you have agreed to three errors in just the few verses we looked at tonight, so I humbly submit that all the faults are not on my side. You have to admit that there are some faults on your side also then we can make some progress.

Sir, I don't have to negotiate with you. You can make progress on your own.
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Hare Krsna. Yours in Srila Prabhupada's service, Jayadvaita Swami