vrindavan
suicide watch - Date: Apr. 26, 2004
From: angel108b@yahoo.com (Puranjana)
1) Vrindavana Meltdown: Devotees threaten suicide in Vrndavana!
2) SATSVARUPA MELT DOWN
3) Chicago Meltdown
4) PAMHO, AGTSP, HERE'S A RITVIC POEM, DOWN BELOW HERE ...
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1)
Vrindavana Meltdown: Devotees threaten suicide in Vrndavana!
From: "B-I-F" <govinda@b-i-f.com>
To: "Puranjana Prabhu" <angel108b@yahoo.com>
Subject: Vrindavan chaos
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 10:38:33 +1000
1. As the new management came into administration in May 2002 the problems
started immediately after that.
2. Our biggest problem is that we are never provided with the proper facilities.
Lot of partiality we always face while staying in the temple. This is necessary
to mention here that most of the devotees suffer but they don't come forward because
of their cowardliness behavior. Now the time has come to show our unity and get
our legitimate rights. We never get the same priority or facility in comparison
to the western devotees. We bramcharies never want to have any bad feelings against
our brothers. Only the behavior of our management forces us to think the bodily
difference between them and us.
3. Management threw out almost 80 devotees out of the temple in last 2 years. Now their latest tactic is that they are trying to remove all the devotees out of the ashram and shift them to some other place away from the temple. On one side they talk of our spiritual standards should go high and on the other side they are trying to put us away from the temple. If we will not be able to attend to temple programs because we will be living at a distant place. Their plan is to shift us in a rented place and later on not pay the rent of that place so automatically we will be out of our spiritual life.
These 60 devotees will also meet the same fate what the other 80 devotees are facing. Most of them are living on road side's and begging alms and somehow managing their living. Many of them are trying to join Narayan Maharaj's Place. Some of them went back to their karmi (material) life. We think that this is the biggest sinful act done by the management.
4. Brihat Mridanga Das our President from South Africa is really a demon wearing saffron. He always prefers western devotees and keeps on telling that this temple was made from the foreign funds so only western people should be living here. The so called bramchari (Brihat Mridanga Das) stays in A.C. room of the guest house and gets special prasadam. He can not bear the summer as well as winter of Vrindavan. Nine months of the year he is out of Vrindavan. How somebody can manage the temple when he is not present in Vrindavan most of time. For a long time he stopped hindi Srimad Bhagawat Gita and Srimad Bhagawatam classes. When we protested the classes were again started after long time. He always implements such regulations that the devotees feel frustrated and they leave the temple. He repeatedly says only English speaking devotees are needed in the temple (this was never Prabhupada's Program). His travelling expenses are a big burden on the temple.
The Indian devotees who are close to him they get special facilities but the others always suffer. He introduced a new (legal paper) form. He used such a language in that form, no where it was mentioned that we are devotees. He always calls us volunteer workers whom he can throw out of the temple without giving any reasoning. He forcefully told all the devotees to fill this form. Those who will not fill this form will be turned out of the temple and the facilities will be stopped.
5. We would request all the senior Vaisnavas and Vaisnavis to come forward and stop this humiliation and try to save the Bramcharies and the Sri Krishna Balaram Temple from this inhumane behavior of the temple management.
6. We would like to accept one single presidant Who can stay all the time in Vrindavan (DEVAKINANDAN DAS). The above mentioned problems were repeatedly told to the management but they always gave deaf ear to it. In frustration we were forced to sit on hunger strike. Since the management is not completing their commitment given at the time of breaking our strike on 15th April 2004. We will sit on hunger strike again and if they don't take it seriously we will be self immolating after putting gasoline (petrol) on our body.
Your servants, Divya Purush das, Vishnu Mohan das, On behalf of all devotees of Sri Krishna Balaram Temple Vrindanvan dham. ps: The management is trying to get the signatures of the resident devotees of the ashram on the favorable report prepared by them.
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2) SATSVARUPA MELT DOWN
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada and his ISKCON.
I am writing this letter as a last ditch effort to save someone that is dear to my soul. Before I have written such a letter for publication on VNN I approached HH Prahladanandana Swami as ISKCON's Sanyassa Minister in hope of him helping correct this situation. After finding that he, as well as a GBC Godbrother, has failed to take me seriously I write this letter with heavy heart.
I am very much concerned about something I have been carrying within my heart over the last year. I have prayed to our Srila Prabhupada and Sri Sri Radha Govinda for a sign on how I should seek resolution to the disturbance within my heart. I feel strongly that their Lordships would be pleased if I reveal my mind and pray that this situation be resolved by their mercy.
A very important Vaisnava in my life has experienced troubles that are obviously a concern of all ISKCON devotees, Srila Prabhupada and Sri Sri Radha Govinda. I pray that you can help me with this problem.
His Holiness Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami lived for a long time in seclusion in Ireland. It was understood by us all that his need for seclusion was due to his very bad health. During his stay he was in the company of devotees very rare and it was even requested that no one write to him. It was known that Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami was visited by some devotees during this period from America including a married God Sister of Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami's named Pranada dasi Mataji. During this period he lost his longtime servant Madhumangala prabhu as he was disturbed with Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami. It was a shocking period for everyone.
Then a disciples and long time personal servant of Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami's came to be his servant named Baladeva Vidyabhusana dasa as well as an Inian devotee Hari Bhaktivilasa dasa. During this time it seemed that Maharaja got more distant from everyone in Ireland. He was taking lots of different medications and was always alone with his servants. Then Hari Bhaktivilasa dasa left disturbed.
Then it was just Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami's and Baladeva Vidyabhusana dasa who were both on medication and acting very strange. It was at this time that Pranada dasi Mataji continued to visit as a counselor for Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami. She came several times and they would see each other alone when no one else was ever allowed to see Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami. It became rumored that they were having sexual relations because they were meeting secretly and alone many times. All of the while Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami would not see anyone else and continued to seem stranger in his behavior.
Then all of a sudden his servant Baladeva Vidyabhusana dasa went mad from drugs and Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami was rushed out of Ireland to some where in America.
At this same time Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami's longtime editor and closest disciple Kaisori Devi Dasi Mataji rejected Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami. In confidence she related to several devotees that Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami and Prananda dasi Mataji had become attached and their relationship became sexual and nature. She say that they could not have intercourse because of Maharajas medication but that they had a sexual relationship including kissing and fondling with no clothes.
So I write because many here know that Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami had sexual relations with Pranada dasi Mataji, that he has developed a drug habit and that he does not partake in any devotional programs nor chant 16 rounds per day. He now does artwork that is very strange and listens to black music as a part of his devotional service while remaining in hiding. I know that he continues to initiate disciples for himself even with his difficulties which is why I decided to write to your good self. Maharaja needs help. He needs to stop being Guru and Sanyassi and live in a Temple in the association of the devotees while taking part in the devotional programs and stopping the nonsense of listening to crazy music and doing strange art. This is not Srila Prabhupada's wish especially for Sanyassis.
This is why I write to you. Please help urge ISKCON to help this stalwart disciple and bring him back to health pysichally, mentally and spiritually. Make sure he no longer initiates and stops taking drugs and living out of the association ISKCON. How can a Sanyassi be allowed to live in isolation and not do devotional service and preach? It seems like these drugs have gone to his head. I wish you to contact Pranada dasi Mataji and Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami and ask them about their relations. Also ask many of the devotees in the Irish yatra which will confirm what I am saying. Please bring Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami back to ISKCON and living with the devotees while attending the devotional programs. I beg you.
I know Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami for many years and if you are to tell him that you have heard their was a problem between him and Pranada dasi Mataji of a sexual nature I believe he would not lie as he is honest at heart. You could talk to Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami, Pranada dasi Mataji, Kaisori devi dasi and Baladeva Vidyabhusana dasa and I am sure the truth would come out. I believe them all to be sincere but there was problems with drugs and a intimate relationship between Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami and Pranada dasi Mataji. I don't know many, including myself, that would go public because Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami is very powerful and has many disciples who will give us all trouble. Also we want Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami to be better and take care of us but if we say something he will no longer give us shelter.
In trying to help Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami it has been demanded that I say my name, where I live and how I cvan be contacted. I have been treated very rudely by Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami's GBC Disciple, Praghosa dasa, for even saying such a thing. He has been demeaning and rude so what he will do when the truth comes out? I have been through this before. I was to take initiation from our Zonal Guru and was saved by devotees who felt the obligation to speak up about what he was doing that was wrong and that didn't please Srila Prabhupada. that is why i am speaking up because I was saved and I am afraid for all of those that Srila Satsvarupa dasa Goswami now accepts as disciples as he is not fit to continue on as Guru. He needs to care for himself and those he has already accepted. By taking more disciples he is continueing the sins that can ruin so many lives. I hope you understand.
I saw many lives ruined when Jayatirtha dasa left. It ruined the disciples, the yet to be initiated like myself and especially those who spoke out against him. Even though they did the right thing no one forgave them and they were left on their own with no association and Krishna Consciousness. I dont want this to happen to me. I dont want to lose my family.
Thank you very much and all glories to Srila Prabhupada.
PS.I know my English is not so good so you may correct where needed.
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Please also see: http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc/weedtxt.htm Satsvarupas deviations
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3) Chicago Meltdown
>To: satchit_desai@hotmail.com
>Subject: Your dilema?
>Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:26:40 -0500
>
>Sriman Satchit Prabhu:
>
>PAMHO, AGTSP, and Hare Krishna.
>
>I read your letters with good analysis. I am impressed that you are able to
see the truth despite being within a cult environment. I liked your words below:
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Some individuals with positions sometimes simply ignore facts & teachings
of Srila Prabhupada and may be committing blunders, so where does one go?; whom
should they approach when the leaders are silent? Some of these leaders take other
devotees for granted in the movement who have no 'official position' or turn a
deaf ear, even worse hypocritically act by promising to take care of inappropriate
situations but act otherwise. How then can one handle situations like this without
committing offenses? Who do I look forward too?
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They promise and cajole you to speak up so that they know what you are thinking.
This way they can exploit and control you. When they find out that you only stand
for the truth they go behind your back and say every one agrees but you -- this
they do with all who are against their plan.
>
They do not like truth. When you insist on it, they say you should ask your most
beloved, respected etc . This is another way to force you to shut up.
>
This GBC of Gundas, Bandits, and Crooks have destroyed once flourishing ISKCON.
>
In 1975, Chicago had 100 Brahmacharis. Today how many?
>
In 1975, 1 million Back To Godhead magazinges were published and distributed every
month and now not even 10000. ISKCON had it's own printing press, trucks, warehouses
for books etc. All gone.
>
All have been destroyed by all these rouges, thugs, and rascals who pretend to
be beloved Rajarshis.
>
These bait and switch operator are not even 10th class. They are such shameless
rascals that they use vehicle of religion to get their bread and butter and sense
gratification. They should give up their dress and become karmis and get their
sense gratification as all karmis do. This way name of religion is not spoiled
and faith of people in religion is not destroyed.
>
Guilt trap collection tactics is not the only one they use.
>
I know Sunil ( Patel?), Shankar Pandir, Kalki, Vishwambhar, Vrashabhdas, Rama
Sraddha etc. and they know me too.
>
The point "If GBC supports then who are we to object?" is nonsense.
A dhobi even criticized Lord Ramachandra's action of taking Sita back. Why don't
these crooks (Roadpad etc.) answer your objections?
>
They are expert liars, sharp bait and switch operators, and are supported by blind
followers.
>
Hope you can keep up your struggle. Keep your own words in mind "even worse
hypocritically act by promising to take care of inappropriate situations but act
otherwise."
>
>That is their true color.
>
Here are words of Srila Prabhupada:
(1) A wise man does not contend with the tounge of a rascal.
(2) Criminals will not listen to any amount of reasoning. They have to be defeated
by force.
(3) Remember Story of Punar Mushak Bhavet.
YS- Gadadhara dasa
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PAMHO,AGTSP,HERE'S A RITVIC POEM,DOWN BELOW HERE...
Anubhavananda poetry site http://community.webtv.net/krishna108
Subject: MY FRIENDS
MY FRIENDS,I AM A DEMON,
WHO LOVES A PURE SAINT,
THE GURU OF THE UNIVERSE,
WHO HAS NOT A SINFUL TAINT...
FOR THAT IS THE NATURE,
OF KRISHNA'S SERVANTS NOW,
THEY ARE OCEANS OF COMPASSION,
FOR US SO POORLY ENDOWED.
THIS IS THE AGE OF KALI,
WHERE WE'RE ADDICTED TO FOLLY,
AND WE ARE SO VERY FALLEN,
IN OUR SINS WE BECOME JOLLY...
SINS ARE SIMPLY OUR WHIMS,
TO ACT FOR OUR OWN PLEASURE,
IN IGNORANCE OF OUR SOUL'S
UNLIMITED ETERNAL TREASURE.
IN FORGETFULNESS OF HIM,
WE CAN NOT HELP BUT SIN,
BECAUSE OUR NATURE IS BLISS
BUT WE FORGOT WHERE IT IS.
BUT BEHOLD OUR CAPTAIN IS HERE,
WITH A INFALLIBLE SPIRITUAL SHIP,
TO STEER US FREE FROM DANGER,
IF WE WILL ONLY TAKE HIS TIP
AND JUST CHANT KRISHNA'S NAMES
TO FREE US FROM ALL CHAINS,
WE MUST JUST CHANT GOD'S NAMES,
TO CLEANSE OUR HEARTS STAINS
FOR COUNTLESS LIFE TIMES,
WE HAVE LIVED NOT FOR LIFE'S GOAL
AND WERE MISLED BY ONLY DEMONS
TO ONLY LOOSE OUR VERY SOUL...
AND THUS FORGOT OUR LORD,
AND THE BLISS OF SERVING HIM
THE ONLY WAY TO RISE ABOVE,
OUR CHASING AFTER SIN....
IS REMEMBERING OUR LORD GOPAL
WHO IS THE ORIGIN OF ALL,
OUR ORIGINAL SUPREME FATHER,
BY CONSTANTLY GIVING HIM A CALL
HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA
KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE
HARE RAMA HARE RAMA
RAMA RAMA HARE HARE
KRISHNA IS OUR DEAR MOST FRIEND
WITH NO BEGINNING NOR END,
AND HE SENT HIS DEAR SERVANTS,
TO RETURN US TO HIM AGAIN.
LIKE LORD JESUS CHRIST,
LIKE SHRILA PRABHUPADA,
HE HAS UNLIMITED SERVANTS
OUR ONE UNLIMITED GOD.
BUT BEHOLD HIS MOST RECENT SON
HE SENT TO GUIDE US HOME TO GOD
IS HIS MOST DIVINE LOVING GRACE,
SWAMI SHRILA PRABHUPADA!!!!!!
HE IS FULLY PRESENT IN HIS BOOKS,
THE GURU NEVER EVER DIES,
AND THOSE WHO TELL US NO,
SPREAD THE MOST POISONOUS LIES.
AND SINCE 1977 THESE THIEVES,
ARE TELLING ALL ACCEPT US PLEASE PRABHUPADA CAN'T HELP YOU,
AND KILL THE ONE WHO DISAGREES
THEY MURDERED PRABHUPADA,
THINKING HIM AN INVALID COMMON MAN,
WHICH LORD SHRI KRISHNA HIMSELF
AGAIN AND AGAIN CONDEMNS
NEVER FOR A MOMENT,
CAN ONE DARE THINK,
MY SERVANT IS MUNDANE,
OR MY DEITIES TO BE DULL MATTER,
THEY ALWAYS DWELL IN HELL,
IN THE WORLDS OF THE PROFANE,
THINKING THE WORLD,
IS THEIR PLATTER
SO IN REPLY TO THIS GREATEST OFFENSE,
I MUST GIVE MY FULL DEFENSE
FOR THIS WORLD'S ETERNAL GUIDE,
OR I'M NOT WORTH ONE PENCE
OUR EYES ARE CLOSED TIGHT,
FOR WE KNOW NOT WHAT IS RIGHT
AND WE FIGHT JUST TO SURVIVE
AND NOT FOR ETERNAL LIGHT!!!!
THUS BIRTH AFTER BIRTH,
WE JUST PLAY IN THE DIRT,
AND NEVER MIND THE BEAST WE HURT
SO WE MAY HAVE DESSERT...
THUS THE BLIND LEAD THE BLIND,
AND BOLDLY CALL IT HUMAN KIND,
NEVER KNOWING FOR WHAT,
WE'VE BEEN DESIGNED,
OR THAT WE ARE IN ESSENCE DIVINE
AND IT IS ONLY A BONAFIDE GURU
WHO CAN PUT THIS TO AN END,
WHOM THESE BOGUS CHEATERS
POSE TO BE AGAIN AND AGAIN!!!!
SO IT IS OUR GREATEST DUTY,
WHEN WE FIND THAT DIVINE MIND
TO DEFEND HIM TO THE END,
SO WE MAY BE ENSHRINED
AS THE DEFENDER OF THE TRUE
PURE SON OF GOD AND GURU,
WHO ALONE CAN GUIDE US THROUGH,
TO OUR HOME,THAT WE ONCE KNEW
FREED FROM MATTER'S CLUTCHES,
AND ALL OUR USELESS CRUTCHES,
AND THE MERCILESS BUTCHERS,
AND CHEATERS AND PUSHERS....
YES I AM A DEMON,
YET THE TRUTH I AM SCREAMING,
WE MUST HUMBLY APPROACH,
GOD'S SONS LIKE PRABHUPADA,
OR YOU'LL NEVER KNOW LIFE'S MEANING
AND EVEN THOUGH YOUR A DEMON,
YOU WILL KNOW A DEMON
YOU WON'T REMAIN,
BY SERVING KRISHNA'S PURE SERVANTS
BY JUST CHANTING KRISHNA'S HOLY NAMES
HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA
KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE
HARE RAMA HARE RAMA
RAMA RAMA HARE HARE
Anubhavananda poetry site http://community.webtv.net/krishna108
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
All glories to His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada!