Thema: Tripurari update 9/4 
Datum: 04.09.05 18:29:11 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit
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interesting site: http://oppositerule.blogspot.com/

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1) TRIPURARI SWAMI (Tom Beaudry)
2) from vimana/ Post subject: Temple Presidents in Iskcon spy on devotees
3) SRIDHARA MAHARAJA UPDATE (pada)
4) RE: BV NARAYANA MAHARAJA CAMP
5) Thanks Dasaratha dasa (Tucson Arizona)
6) RE: jo jo. Thanks for your question about "PADA's strategy."
7) Hare Krishna. Perhaps some of you have seen a letter or two that I
had published regarding the a child protection issue
8) Sudama Brahmin And The Takeover  BY RAMACANDRA DAS
[PADA: An amazing account of how Satsvarupa Dasa was the master mind
of the 1978 appointed guru lie, and then he became the darling of the
Gaudiya Matha's Sridhara and Narayana.]
9) Even most abominable person: can be guru?
10) Taking delight in other's misery/ hurricane Katrina

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1) TRIPURARI SWAMI (Tom Beaudry)

Dear PADA (summary of a phone call to PADA). It is surprising you
have not yet told people that Tripurari was once married (Addie Beaudry)
and had a child (Bhakti Beaudry) ............

For any further Info please call
[ph. 707-477-4102. Thanks pd]

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2) from vimana/ Post subject: Temple Presidents in Iskcon spy on devotees

I would like to inform all and potential devotees within Iskcon that
it is common practice for temple presidents to spy on devotees whilst
residing in the temples. This has been confirmed on a number of
occasions at different temples. On one occasion the temple president
{name available on request} of a particular temple had the whole
place bugged with miniture microphones and was unknowingly observed
by myself listening in on devotees conversations. Knowlegde of others
conversations were then used for manipulation and control of the
devotees. Of this there is no doubt.

Another president was caught out spying on devotees on a number of
occasions. In this instance, the perpetrator was seen to hide around
corners, peer through windows and stand listening outside closed
doors. This president always seemed to know about everything going
on. I wonder how! This is a direct intrusion of a persons rights to
privacy. If you suspect this is going on in your temple stay away
from the perpetrator and report this to the police....

[PADA: Yep, the GBC has to "manage" by using the techniques of third
world dictatorships: shutting off outside news, brain washing, spies,
intimidation etc.]

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3) SRIDHARA MAHARAJA UPDATE (pada)

Well prabhu I do not consider Bhakti nandana (Sridhara Maharaja's
personal servant for some years) to be a kooky crank. He made a good
presentation and he was living in the matha as a child. He said
Govinda Maharaja had to support a secret woman and children, whether
he was married to someone else I don't know now that you bring that
up. I don't know the details here, but BNS is not a liar for nothing?
You have not convinced me that BNS would make all this up, he was the
child who served the matha before you even heard about any of this.
You also avoided my original point, that Sridhara and govinda have
supported the idea that Prabhupada appointed homosexual pedophiles as
his successors. thanks pd

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4) RE: BV NARAYANA MAHARAJA CAMP

According to a report, Narayana Maharaja's top sannyasi "BV Aranya"
has "run off with a Russian lady." And he reportedly sent someone a
post card from his "honeymoon." Goody for him. Srila Prabhupada said
that the sannyasa order is not working for ISKCON and he more or less
disbanded it. And he moreover said "everyone must get married." So,
this issue will gradually become the same problem for other preaching
efforts. We need to come to the platform of reality, not illusion in
the name of reality. PADA applauds such progress because it will
reduce the fever of the artificial renunciate's platform all round.
We think that part of the problem was: BV Aranya was being prepped as
the heir apparent (successor) to BV Narayana Maharaja, and he could
not take the stress of this false platform. He knew that after he
became "the successor," or de facto so, he would not be able to have
any association with a woman ... or it would create a huge scandal.
He certainly acted more honorably than many ISKCON swamis who
declared that they were pure devotees etc. while they secretly
hankered for women.

So, he did the right thing by avoiding making another big "fallen
guru" scandal (which we don't need anymore of). The other problem is
that once a sannyasa starts to associate with a woman, dissenters
catch on. And then the poor dissenters are often banned, beat and
killed, and as such certainly these bogus sannyasas have the blood of
repressed and murdered vaishnavas on their hands. This is why they
are destined for the most obnoxious regions, they oppress, harass,
threaten, beat and kill KRISHNA'S devotees. That makes them number
one on the list of evil doers for the Yamaduttas. That BV Aranya
avoided having personal involvement with such events is commendable.
The only problem is that BV Aranya supported Narayana Maharaja while
he was supporting the GBC's banning, beating, molesting and murdering
of the vaishnava's project. Thus BV Aranya has, indirectly,
considerable vaishnava's blood on his hands, actually a huge
quantity. So he needs to go the extra mile and admit that BV
Narayana's support of a regime of vaishnava's banning, beating,
molesting and murdering was and is wrong.

We also hear that Dristadyumna (reinitiated by NM as Sar Maharaja)
has had some disagreement with BV Narayana. Another "successor
apparent" hits the dirt? We hope so. Dristadyumna was Tamal's
faithful bucket boy for many years and we were sort of hoping he
would be named as the successor of BV Narayana. Then we could easily
be able to discredit this whole program by linking it to Tamal.
Anyway, there was a disagreement over "the methods of managing" (?).
This is ritvik-diculous since there is "no managing" in the Narayana
Maharaja scheme. He simply says there is no such thing as a managing
structure because "Governing Body Commission" is not found in the
Vedas, ... so we need to worship "a living body" (he thinks the
material body constitutes a pure devotee). He even says you have to
worship "the living bodies" of deviants,criminals and child
buggers,  which would make worship of our neighbor's cat Mr. Snuffles
a heavenly planet compared to NM's scheme. It would seem that there
are some lawless scoundrels in NM's mission and they are taking
advantage of NM's "lack of managing" (lawless) process. So this is
the problem, Narayana Maharaja openly advocates a lawless society
with "no management."

In short, Narayana Maharaja has no clue what the Vedas are talking
about. The Vedas say that worship of a living body is illusion and
that you have to worship the pure devotees like Srila Prabhupada. Yet
Narayana Maharaja has openly come out and said that his idea of
worship of "the living" child buggers (?) is bona fide and "found in
shastra" and that our idea: that we need to worship pure devotees is
"ritvik poison." NM says that there is no such thing as the word
"priest" -- found in the Vedas. Yet Krishna's own family had a priest
named Gargamuni, so NM thinks that Krishna himself is a bogus
deviant. NM never read the Vedas, because there are many mentions of
the priests.

Worse, shastra actually says that advocates of the worship of child
buggers like Narayana Maharaja and his GBC "living guru's" regime is
-- taking one to the lowest regions of the universe. Again this
proves that Narayana Maharaja never reads the shastra or else he
would know that his idea that we have to worship criminals, deviants
and child molesters is bogus. In any case, the reason there is a
"disagreement over the managing" is obvious, they cannot agree who is
going to manage/ be worshipped as the acharya/ after NM departs. They
are already fighting over "who(m)" is going to be the the next big
piece of cheeze in that mission. yeesh  ys pd

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5) Thanks Dasaratha dasa (Tucson Arizona) for your message that "I
never wanted the PADA newsletter to be sent to me." Hmmm, did it ever
occur to you fellows that NO ONE ever wanted your enforced cult
ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophile's regime? Has it ever
occured to you that your policy of cramming that agenda down people's
throats resulted in molesting, murder and mayhem? It seems you are
proud of the results of your fine "preaching program." Has it ever
occured to you that if you are serving false acharyas, whose fate is
to go to "the lowest regions of the universe," what to speak of your
program of pedophiles and poisoners posing as acharyas, you are going
to "the lower than the lowest regions of the universe"? I am sorry
but the party is over and you now have to account for the mayhem you
created. So this is amazing,  you and your pals thought: All we ever
wanted to do was to worship: homosexual pedophiles as our messiahs?
You are an idyoot, and at least the courts have ordered you fools to
talk to your victims, since even the courts have more sense that you
ever will, thanks pd

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6) RE: jo jo. Thanks for your question about "PADA's strategy." We
have never had a strategy? Just, attack the GBC and focus the issues,
and sort of hope we will survive to attack them another day. The most
amazing thing for us is: quite often we get all sorts of complex and
tedious "advice" ... attack here but don't attack there; use this
language but not that language; attack guru "a" but never guru "b,"
who is a pure devotee, and so on and so forth. So this reminds us of
the old High School joke, how many Italians does it take to shovel
the snow off the sidewalk? Answer: 50. Only one Italian uses the
shovel, and the other forty nine Italians are on hand to "supervise"
the one with the shovel. This has been our situation sort of. Many
devotees have given us all sorts of advice, but not many have
volunteered to join the battle. So we are sort of overwhelmed with
the tons of advice, but underwhelmed with the lack of foot soldiers
who failed to join us in the attack. Then again, whenever we get some
big victory against the GBC, for example the right to print original
books, we have people like Sanat and Mukunda complaining that their
favorite pedophile guru lineage's books are being upstaged. We have
those who begrudge any success. Yet, we are winning nonetheless. thanks pd

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7) Hare Krishna.

Perhaps some of you have seen a letter or two that I had published
regarding the a child protection issue on the Vaishnava news sites
lately. (My main points of this are toward the end, but I need to
give a little background.) Back in the Spring at Gita-nagari, I saw
that Bhakti-Tirtha Swami had invited Vakresvara Pandit to lead
kirtans at Gita-nagari, and I remembered reading something about him
being a child molester.

[PADA: According to a report, it was a public knowledge that
Vakresvara had been told not to visit ISKCON properties. Certainly,
"leaders" like Bhakti Tirtha would have beeen aware of this ...
because notice was given especially to the leaders. So it would seem
that ISKCON leaders have been, and still are, inviting molesters on
to ISKCON properties. And they are doing so knowingly, and worse ...
they have been doing that all along or at least since 1978. In short,
the GBC tells the ex-gurukulis, the rank and file, even the media,
that they are "cleaning things up," but as as soon as they get the
opportunity, they invite molesters? Not only do they invite
molesters, the GBC gives prominent posts to the very people who
turned ISKCON into "molester webs and nests" like they have with
Bhavananda. So it seems like a pattern, first they poisoned
Prabhupada himself, and by their vociferous and relentless
molester-izing of ISKCON, they are poisoning and bankrupting his
mission. That seems to be their plan. In short, it seems like they
are begging for more lawsuits against ISKCON.

In addition, as soon as one of the GBC's odious criminal thug
enforcers gets out of jail for conspiracy to commit murder, then
they'll give him a big post as they did with Tapah punja. So ... they
have no interest in "cleaning things up." They want to attract
crooks, thugs, molesters, and they still do. If one is a molester or
a criminal etc. one will be given a welcome mat by the GBC. Whereas
this poor mata-ji, who is writing this report, she is being given the
same jack-boots treatments that all the other Prabhupada devotees
received from the GBC. No wonder, since she does not want her
religion to be over-run by criminals, thugs and child molesters. So,
as soon as one says that the child molesters/ crooks have to go, then
the GBC will jack boot out those who object . And that is why their
temples are almost empty, most people do not want to defend the GBC's
pedophile sympathy/ worship cult. So this is all for the best. More
and more people are no longer giving them support, and others are
contemplating more media exposes, lawsuits etc. to attack the GBC. We
think this is all for the best, because it is part of Krishna's plan
to dry them up by removing their support structure. Notice, this
woman is now starting her own protest web site, so our side is
gaining from strength to strength.]

* Leslie and I checked up on the facts, partly because I'm an elected
community board member and she's on the child protection team. We
found out that he was found guilty in 2002 of having a year-long
sexual relationship about 9 years earlier with a 13 year old girl,
what the jurisdictional state law would classify as multiple counts
of aggravated sexual assault and indecency with a minor.

[PADA: Why do we, the rank and file level, always have to
"investigate" criminal and molester items within ISKCON? Why isn't
the GBC managing these things for ISKCON and for its citizens? And
since there is no open discussion of any of these problems, most of
this is simply swept under the carpet. And thus only a few problems
are ever allowed to surface and be discussed -- at all. That means: a
lot of the abuse is probably not reported at all because of the way
it is suppressed, and/or it falls through the cracks even when it is reported?

What amazes us at PADA is, why would an ISKCON leader want such a
molester to "lead the kirtan" for his departure, considering all the
trouble we have had with molesters? This will unfortunately give the
molesters all the more access to ISKCON properties. Worse, this gives
the message the the chanting of molesters is some divine wondrous
thing you'd want to have at your death bed. We saw a couple of nice
Catholic nuns handing out food to the homeless at Rathayatra, and it
would seem to PADA that the sincere prayers of these nuns would more
effective than the prayers of child molesters? What kind of message
is the GBC giving? OK: molesters are or were links in the parampara,
molesters deserve prominence,  and the prayers of molesters takes one
to vaikuntha, etc.. Again. This is like "a secret skulls society,"
except that to gain membership you need to compromise with molesters.]

* Vakresvara was assigned a rectification plan, of which the first
two parts were to write a letter of apology and to pay $3000 to the
girl, with a consequence of being banned from Iskcon if he would not
do these things. restrictions from leadership for two more years.
Apparently he still doesn't have to apologize or pay restitution.)

[PADA: A "plan" was made to recitfy Lokanatha swami and others as
well, yet they never seem to be held accountable.]

* I wanted to know how BT Swam felt about Vakresvara's child
molestation case, and why he felt it was ok to honor a child molester
like that, but I couldn't ask him, and his disciples weren't giving
me any answers.

[PADA: There is no good answer.]

* About a month after BT Swami's departure, I had lost as much sleep
as I could tolerate, and I posted a question about it on the BT Swami
e-mail list asking if anyone knew how he felt about the case. Leslie
and I felt that the strength of the CPO was clearly undermined by
these events. In response to my question I was given a violent threat
and was thoroughly condemned by BT Swami's disciples.

[PADA: Well join the club. As soon as anyone says that child
molesters are not Krishna's successors, then the GBC/ Sridhara/
Narayana team are right "on the job" of making threats of violence or
death and/or saying we are "poison" -- so they can get someone else
to beat or kill us. Threats of violence is how this cult was
launched. And we think violence was used against Prabhupada, he was
poisoned right from square one as well. Some Sridhara Maharaja
followers also recently told us we were offenders, because we protest
child molester gurus, they think this is offensive. So they are
trying to fomet violence, this person is offensive, he is poison and so on.]

* I was essentially told that whatever BT Swami does is perfect and
cannot be questioned, and that I was a guru-aparadhi for suggesting
that he might have done
something wrong. I feel that I have been practically driven out of
Gita-nagari for this.

[PADA: Right, Bhakti Tirtha's GBC's pattern is: harassing, character
assassinating, shunning, and when that does not work then, banning,
beating and murdering. "Whatever it takes" to keep children
worshipping molesters and/or keeping molesters on ISKCON properties
and so on. This is why we call them: "The enforced cult ritualistic
worship of homosexual pedophiles regime." They "enforce" the worship
of pedophiles -- with violence. And guys like Bhakti Tirtha have been
the violent thug enforcers of the pedophile worship. Of course, he
does not beat up people himself, rather he incites his disciples to
ban, beat, threaten and so on. This is what Hitler said as well, but
I never killed anyone. Well yes, but you incited others to kill on
your behalf.]

* In one meeting I had with the other community board members, one of
them told me that BT Swami had invited Kirtananada to Gita-nagari,
and they had a visit.

[PADA: Yep, notice that Bhakti Tirtha likes to meet with homosexual
pedophiles who think they are as pure as Jesus, and who orchestrate
mass molesting, murders and countless other crimes. Yet he never has
a spare moment to meet with the Prabhupadanugas? Bhakti Tirtha swami
only likes to meet with other members of the violent pedophile guru's
sabha. So this has been going on all along, they only support each
other, i.e. those who are members of the pedophile pooja process.]

* I was later told that they met at the 'Institute House,' about 200
yards from the temple but off of Gita-nagari property. I'm more
concerned about him than just about anybody. Also there's Bhakti
Vidya Purna Swami at the Mayapur Gurukula. We've read his report from
the CPO and (estimating from memory) there were around 60 boys there
who were raped by other boys. The CPO was amazed that he knew about
it but that he didn't seem to think there was anything wrong with this. BVPS
is still leading there.

[PADA: Right, child molesters and/or their cover-ups are welcome in
the holy dham.]

* The situation that we've been experiencing is that the leaders say
they're fully in support of the CPO; but when someone they like does
something bad, it's not OK to pursue it. Either there can be no
investigation, or whatever, but there will be nothing substantial
done about it. Those who call for child protection to actually be
enforced against the leaders or their friends are labeled as
aparadhis, threatened, and driven away. This situation has been an
incredible strain on my life for the past several months.

[PADA: Well the "strain" is: that you expect good behavior from the
leaders of a pedophile worshipping cult that bans, beats and kills
people who oppose their child buggery pooja process. For people who
worship child buggery, anyone who objects is "an aparadhi" as the
GBC/ Sridhara/ Narayana/ Tripurari crew have said all along, and they
STILL say we are aparadhis because of our objecting to their policy
that child buggers are (were or could have been) God's guru
successors. In other words, the exponents of child buggery pooja see
anyone who objects as -- a threat.]

* Last summer Dhira Govinda prabhu, the former CPO director, wrote an
excellent article on these issues:
http://www.vnn.org/world/WD0407/WD28-8672.html
I've also been documenting my feelings, mostly related to this issue,
at: http://oppositerule.blogspot.com/

[PADA: You are exposing them and that is good, that is indeed the
only way to corral in the GBC/ Sridhara/ Narayana/ Tripurari child
buggery pooja process.]

Hare Krishna

Yours in Srila Prabhupada's service, He did not do them, but there
was no actual consequence. The rest of the rectification included a
five-year restriction prohibiting leadership activities, prohibiting
close associating with girls, etc. He also did not follow these
restrictions either. He was also supposed to show the CPO decision to
the authorities at every temple he visited, and either he didn't do
that, or no one cared. Actually it was obvious that he flaunted his
contempt for the Child Protection Office ("CPO") decision, and he was
none the less given top honors everywhere he went. This was while he
was officially banned from all Iskcon-related activities as a
stipulated penalty for failing to apologize to the girl he had sex
with (when she was 13, and he was 40). On May 29, 2005, at
Gita-nagari, he was given a seat equal with six sannyasis for the Sunday class.

For his visit to Gita-nagari, two GBC members got approval from the
CPO to officially lift the restrictions so that he could lead kirtan
for BT Swami's departure. The CPO authorized it, but the local
authorities allowed him to lead kirtan for a few months (not just
during the day of his departure) and to give classes. Leslie and I
were stressed to see a child molester given these honors, and felt
that it undermined the goal of child protection in Iskcon, but we
could say nothing because of the official sanction. Then the decision
on Vakresvara's appeal was decided, and the appeal panel found that
he was guilty but decided that he'd already served enough punishment.
(Recently the appeal panel reconvened, partially in response to my
complaints, said that they didn't know he'd failed to follow his
rectification plan, and extended his.

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and my response : Dear Pandu das Prabhu and all, Please accept my
humble obeisances. All glories to His Divine Grace Srila
Prabhupada!!! Prabhu, thank you for writing as you have about the
efforts you and your dear wife made (and are certainly still making)
on behalf of Srila Prabhupada and the children. As you have clearly
experienced, the environment that promotes this maddness has not been
recitified. So what was begun by the pure Vaishnava to provide
freedom from the material energy for any soul turning to Krsna has
been diminished by sins inflicted on children and others.

I do not know what to say! Several years ago i visited a temple in
the North West for the sunday feast. The temple president lectured
that it is the "duty of the disciple to carry out the order of the
spiritual master, even if the spiritual master asks the disciple to
kill him." I was stunned ! And there stood 3 "bramacaries" with thug-
like charactaristics who looked ready and willing to do anything for
this temple president. Later, when i expressed my concern about this
situation, i was asked, "Why didn't you speak up?" Why, indeed. Just
this year when visiting another temple i spoke casually with the
TP/GBC and asked how he liked his service. He answered, "Well, i hear
about everyone's sex life!" Once again, shock!

Until and unless Srila Prabhupada and his pure teachings are placed
100% at the center of ISKCON, removing the various personality cults
begun even before Srila Prabhupada's physical departure, what is the
hope? SO, because we are each completely accountable for our actions
and responsible for our Krsna consciousness or lack thereof (as in my
case), what is there to do? Everything we will ever need to become
Krsna conscious is available in Bhagavad-gita As It Is, Srimad-
Bhagavatam, Caitanya-caritamrtra and in every other spoken word of
the Lord's dearest and most confidential A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

I realize that i may not be welcomed on this group as a result of
these writings. If that is the case, i just want to thank all of you
for your homeschooling advise and encouragement and wish you all the
very best in your endeavors! Hare Krsna ! your fallen servant, xxx d.d.

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8) Sudama Brahmin And The Takeover  BY RAMACANDRA DAS

This is a story which had its beginnings many many years ago. It was
told to me by Sudama prabhu who left the planet in 1995. His leaving
was most auspicious with devotees having 24 hour kirtan. Garlands and
Tulasi were placed upon his body and he left to the chanting of the
Holy Name. Immediately upon his departure, an unknown Indian brahmin
came into the room, looked around, and then left. (It is said that if
someone leaves their body and an unknown brahmin comes to the room,
then that person has gone back home to Godhead.)

I was Sudama Maharaja's personal servant off-and-on in NYC for five
months in 1975, and I later served him in Badger, CA for two months
before he left his body. During that time, Sudama prabhu revealed to
me something very intensely shocking and distressful. We were talking
about ISKCON in general, and after some time I then told Sudama
prabhu about a conversation that I had with Satsvarupa Maharaj. I
explained that I told Satsvarupa Maharaj at one point that I felt
Srila Prabupada was my spiritual master. (I joined the movement in
1975, got the opportunity to see Srila Prabhupada, and I felt a very
strong spiritual connection with Srila Prabhupada. I was amongst the
second group of disciples to take initiation from Satsvarupa Maharaj
in 1978.) Sudama asked me why it was I didn't get initiated by Srila
Prabhupada even though I was supposed to. After giving Sudama prabhu
my explanation, he angrily answered, (referring to Satsvarupa
Maharaj), "He's no guru anyway." Then he went into the explanation of
why he did not feel that Satsvarupa is a guru.

Sudama prabhu revealed to me that the day before Srila Prabhupada
departed from us, all of the ISKCON leaders, including Satsvarupa
Maharaj, the other original ISKCON gurus and other leaders met
together to discuss how to divide up the world. Sudama prabhu told me
that Tamal Krsna Maharaj and another sanyasi - whose name I cannot
remember - approached him and said, "There is going to be a meeting
in which we are going to divide up the world. Don't go anywhere, you
should be there." (This was the exact statement used.)

Sudama prabhu attended the meeting horrified at what he was hearing.
Tamal Krsna started off asking who wants to be guru. Sudama explained
that there was some hesitation and then Romesvara answered, "I do, I
do." Others raised their hands also. Sudama was shocked. Sudama was
then told, "We'll give you Japan and make you a guru later." Sudama
prabhu completely horrified asked, "Srila Prabhupada hasn't even left
the planet yet. How can you be even thinking like this?" Sudama
prabhu went on to say, (speaking to his Godbrothers), "I would rather
bloop and falldown then to commit the sins that you are about to
commit." (These were Sudama prabhu's EXACT words to them as he
himself told me.)

After the meeting, when it was concluded who was to be guru, Sudama
prabhu, (who explained that he was present throughout the whole
meeting), said that Satsvarupa Maharaj then addressed the assembly:
"Before we go back, we had better conclude on one story to tell all
of the devotees. The devotees are very smart, and if we have
different stories, they will know something is wrong."

Satsvarupa Maharaj along with Tamal Krsna then put together the story
that these leaders would tell the devotees. Satsvarupa Maharaj wrote
it all down and he and Tamal conferred back and forth with the other
leaders in terms of answering all questions to make sure that there
were no "loopholes" - the EXACT word used by Sudama prabhu - in the
story, and that nothing could go wrong.

Sudama prabhu stayed on to the next day when Srila Prabhupada
actually left. (This was the day immediately after the meeting in
which our GBC leaders divided up the world.) After Srila Prabhupad
left the planet, Sudama prabhu immediately left the movement, knowing
what had transpired in that meeting, and the material ambition and
visciousness of these men. He could forsee the destruction of the movement.

The assembled Vaisnavas may be wondering why it is that I never came
forth with this information at an earlier date and am now speaking
this out. The reason why I did not speak up earlier was because of
how our guru and GBC leaders have so much indoctrinated the devotees
that I did not think that anyone would accept this truth. I also have
never used a computer before, and had no opportunity to be able to
get this information out. I am also seeing that the situation in
ISKCON has become so bad that I am feeling COMPELLED to speak out
with this truth. I feel it is my duty to bring out this truth which
was given to me by Sudama prabhu, for the devotees to hear it,
whether they choose to believe it or not.

Your servant,

Ramacandra Das

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Even most abominable person can be guru?

I, NARA NARAYAN DAS, WOULD LIKE TO ADD MY COMMENT TO THIS LETTER OF
GENUINE CONCERN AND JUSTIFIED ALARM:

On Aug 22, 2005, at 2:05 PM, Jaya Murari dasa wrote:
... I saw that Bhakti-Tirtha Swami had invited Vakresvara Pandit to
lead kirtans at Gita-nagari,

I AND SEVERAL OF MY CHILDREN ATTENDED THE COURT ORDERED APOLOGY BY
THE ISKCON LEADERS TO THE ABUSED GURUKULIES. THE
POINT OF CHILD MOLESTERS BEING NOT ONLY ALLOWED INTO THE ASSOCIATION
OF DEVOTEES (INCLUDING CHILDREN AND INCLUDING CHILDREN THAT THEY HAVE
THEMSELVES MOLESTED) WAS RAISED BY SCANDALIZED AND OUTRAGED GURUKULIES.

[PADA: OK, this is the main problem. Many of the adults, most of the
big swami leaders like Hrdayananda, Sridhara, Narayan, and so many
others, they sit around and either do nothing or they support the
pedophile's regime. The molested children have to raise the issue
themselves? And forget all about our pals like Sanat and Mukunda,
their "plan" to save the molested children is: kill all of
Prabhupada's children. They are even worse than the molesters or the GBC.]

# I WAS ASTONISHED TO FIND THAT TAMOHARA DAS, THE CPO HEAD, USED THIS
OPPORTUNITY TO SOFT PEDAL THE OBJECTIONS TO
MOLESTERS PARTICIPATING IN ISKCON ACTIVITIES, AND EVEN WENT INTO A
BIZARRE EXPLANATION AS TO HOW THE RIGHTS OF THE MOLESTERS CANNOT BE
VIOLATED BY PREVENTING THEM FROM ATTENDING ISKCON PROGRAMS.

WHEN CONFRONTED WITH OBJECTIONS TO VAKRESVARA DAS AND OTHERS WHO
FLAUNTED THEIR PENALTIES AND WERE REWARDED WITH
CHOICE PRESTIGIOUS PREACHING OPPORTUNITIES, TAMOHARA APPEARED TO BE
SURPRISED, AND PROMISED TO "INVESTIGATE" ALTHOUGH HE DID
NOT TAKE THE TROUBLE TO EVEN APPEAR TO TAKE NOTES.

[PADA: Another big problem. Many times someone steps forward as the
official ISKCON/ GBC representative who is taking charge of a
problem, but they are covering up the problem?]

# WHEN ASKED AS TO HOW A KNOW ULTRA VIOLENT CHILD ABUSER COULD LATER
BE DESIGNATED AN "OFFICIAL" ISKCON GURU, TAMOHARA
RESPONDED THAT "EVEN THE MOST ABOMINABLE PERSON CAN TAKE TO
DEVOTIONAL SERVICE", HENCE IT WAS "OK".

[PADA: This was the rationale given in 1979 by Sridhara Maharaja to
the GBC, he said that the guru sometimes acts abominably and we
should "wait and see" (as the banning, beating, molesting and murder
go on). And sure enough, Sridhara Maharaja waited and the beatings,
molestings and murders kept going on while he said, "Do not fix this,
wait and do nothing, Krishna shaksat hari tvena successor gurus
sometimes behave like thug criminals, why not"?]

# THE PERSON ASKING THE QUESTION MADE IT CLEAR THAT HE HIMSELF HAD
BEEN ABUSED BY THAT "SOON TO BE GURU" AND HAD SEEN SIX YEAR OLD BOYS
BEATEN SO BADLY ABOUT THE HEAD THAT BLOOD FLOWED FROM THEIR EARS
....NONE OF THE ISKCON LEADERS EVEN TRIED TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE AS
THOUGH IT WERE REAL AND OF ACTUAL REAL CONCERN.

AS A SINGLE PARENT WHO HAS RAISED SEVEN CHILDREN AT VARIOUS STAGES OF
THEIR LIVES, I COULD NOT EVEN BEGIN TO FIND A
COMMONALITY WITH THE SO CALLED "APOLOGY" BEING FOISTED ON THESE POOR
NEGLECTED AND ABUSED FORMER "HOPE OF ISKCON" GURUKULIES.

*** Vakresvara was assigned a rectification plan,

THE CPO OFFICER, TAMOHARA DAS, DID NOT EXPRESS EVEN THE SLIGHTEST
INTEREST IN TRULY INVESTIGATING THE MATTER AND
BRINGING VAKRESVARA'S HEAD BACK ON A "SHARP STICK" OR WHATEVER WOULD
BE DEEMED APPROPRIATE TREATMENT FOR A COMPLETELY UNREPENTANT RAPIST
OF CHILDREN.

*** He was also supposed to show the CPO decision to the authorities
at every temple he visited, and either he didn't
do that, or no one cared. ...

APPARENTLY, THE CPO FOLLOWS THE "VERDICTS" OF A PANEL OF "JUDGES" WHO
ARE UNRELATED TO THE LEGAL SYSTEM OF THE UNITED
STATES OF AMERICA. IF THE JUDGES CHOOSE TO BE "LAX" THE CPO HEAD
EXPRESSED THAT "HIS HANDS ARE TIED". WHAT WAS NOT EVER MADE CLEAR IS
THE CONJUNCTIONS BETWEEN THE CPO, THESE MYSTERIOUS AND UN NAMED
"JUDGES" AND THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THEIR VERY
SPECIFIC ENFORCEMENT OF LAWS DEALING WITH CHILD ABUSE, CHILD RAPE, INCEST ETC.

IN FACT, TAMOHARA DAS SUGGESTED THAT IT IS BETTER TO GO TO THESE
MYSTERIOUS AND ANONYMOUS "JUDGES" THAN TO FILE CHARGES WITH THE US
LEGAL SYSTEM, AS THAT WOULD "PROTECT" THE ABUSE VICTIMS FROM LAWSUITS
AND CHARGES FILED BY THE ALLEGED ABUSERS WHO WOULD THEN EXPOSE THE
ABUSE VICTIMS TO RIDICULE AND PUNISHMENT FOR "LYING" ABOUT THEIR ABUSE ISSUES!

I DO NOT KNOW IF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH (WHICH HAS TAKEN EVERY STEP
NECESSARY TO PREVENT PEDOPHILE PRIESTS FROM BEING
LEGALLY CHARGED WITH THE HORRIBLE CRIMES THAT THEY HAVE COMMITTED)
HAS WRITTEN A BOOK ON HOW TO KEEP THE PRIESTHOOD OUT OF JAIL BY
EXPOSING THE VICTIM AND PROTECTING THE PRIEST .....BUT IF THEY HAD,
THEN THE CPO MANAGERS MUST HAVE MEMORIZED IT WORD FOR WORD, AS THIS
IS EXACTLY THE POSITION THAT THEY HAVE TAKEN IN REALITY, ALTHOUGH
PAYING LIP SERVICE TO "INTERFACING WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT ETC"......

I QUESTION THAT "INTERFACE" AS IF THERE WERE AND ACTUAL INTERFACE,
VAKTESHWARA DAS WOULD HAVE CERTAINLY HAVE SPENT
FIVE  TO FIFTEEN  YEARS IN JAIL FOR CHILD RAPE. (STATUTORY RAPE
APPLIES TO CHILDREN MUCH OLDER THAN 1`2 YEARS OLD).
AS SUCH, AN APOLOGY AND ONE MONTH'S LIKELY SALARY FROM HIS JOB
($3,000.00) WOULD SEEM LIKE A "SLAP ON THE WRIST
WITH A WET NOODLE" BY COMPARISON TO BEING RAPED HIMSELF BY PRISONERS
WHO HATE CHILD MOLESTERS TO THE POINT THAT THEY OFTEN KILL THEM.

THE ELABORATE PROTECTION OF THE SEX ABUSERS, AND THE DISTANT
MARGINALIZATION OF THEIR VICTIMS HAS NO RELATIONSHIP TO KRISHNA
CONSCIOUSNESS, NOR CAN IT APPEAR AND BE TOLERATED IN OUR SAMPRADAYA
EVEN FOR ONE MOMENT.

>
> For his visit to Gita-nagari, two GBC members got approval from
the CPO to officially lift the restrictions so that he could lead
kirtan for BT Swami's departure.

HOW CAN BT SWAMI BE HONORED BY VAISHNAVAS IF HE FLAUNTS CHILD RAPISTS
AT HIS DEATHBED? AT SOME POINT, WE MUST FACE THESE FACTS! WHAT IF THE
PARENTS OF THE RAPED 12 YEAR OLD GIRL WERE PRESENT .......WOULD HE
STILL HAVE THE CRIMINAL WHO ABUSED THEIR CHILD SING HOLY SONGS FOR
HIM? WHAT IF THE GIRL WERE PRESENT? WOULD SHE BE EXPECTED TO OFFER
OBEISANCES TO HIM BECAUSE HE WAS FAVORED BY A DYING SWAMI?

A VAISHNAVA CANNOT KEEP ONE STANDARD IN A CERTAIN PLACE, AND ANOTHER
IN ANOTHER PLACE. EVEN THOUGH BT SWAMI WOULD NEVER
PRESUME TO TAKE UP THE TITLE OF "ACHARYA" YET, AS AN INITIATE OF
SRILA PRABHUPADA FUNCTIONING AS SOME SORT OF REPRESENTATIVE OF SRILA
PRABHUPADA, HE MUST REALIZE THAT "CAESAR'S WIFE" MUST BE ABOVE
SUSPICION! ......EVEN THAT THE GIRL WAS NOT PRESENT, AND THE PARENTS
OF THE GIRL WERE NOT PRESENT, STILL, THE HUMILIATION SUFFERED BY THEM
WOULD BE JUST AS REAL AT A DISTANCE OF THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY FROM
THAT SPOT, AS IT WOULD BE IF THEY TOO, WERE GATHERED AT THE BEDSIDE
OF BT SWAMI IN HIS LAST DAYS.

HAS IT REALLY COME TO THIS? .....THAT THE MOST VENAL MORALLY
DEGENERATE AMONGST US ARE KEPT ON AFTER THE FUNERAL TO
"CHANT AND GIVE CLASS" AT GITANAGARI? WE SHOULD SAVE SUCH PASTIMES
FOR OUR FUTURE ISKCON BRANCHES IN THE PATALA LOKA PLANETS!

> Then the decision on Vakresvara's appeal was decided, and the
appeal panel found that he was guilty but decided that
he'd already served enough punishment.

WHAT PUNISHMENT?

>(Recently the appeal panel reconvened, partially in response to my
complaints, said that theydidn't know he'd
failed to follow his rectification plan, and extended his
restrictions from leadership for two more years. Apparently he still
doesn't have to apologize or pay restitution.)

FROM WHAT WAS SAID AT THE COURT ORDERED APOLOGY TO THE GURUKULIES,
THE CPO HAS SYSTEMATICALLY OVERLOOKED IF NOT OVERSEEN
THESE EVENTS.

*** In response to my question I was given a violent threat and was
thoroughly condemned by BT Swami's disciples.

THOUSANDS OF PEDOPHILE CATHOLIC PRIESTS HAVE BEEN "OUTED" SUED,
JAILED, AND DE-FROCKED ... HOW SHAMEFUL THAT ISKCON LAGS SO FAR
BEHIND THESE VENAL MEAT EATERS, BOOZE DRINKERS AND MISLEADERS OF THE
INNOCENT PUBLIC.

*** The situation that we've been experiencing is that the leaders
say they're fully in support of the CPO; but when someone they like
does something bad, it's not OK to pursue it.

THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE CPO, NOT WITH WHO SUPPORTS IT. THERE IS THIS
MYSTERIOUS PANEL OF "JUDGES" WHO "TIE THE HANDS"
OF THE CPO! ......WHOEVER THEY ARE, THEY GIVE MOLESTERS AND RAPISTS A
FREE RIDE BACK TO THE TEMPLE VYASASANA IN ORDER TO PREACH TO THEIR
VICTIMS AND THEIR VICTIMS GENERATIONAL FRIENDS. WHEN WILL SOMEONE
COME TO THEIR SENSES!

*** Either there can be no investigation, or whatever, but there will
be nothing substantial done about it.  Those who call for child
protection to actually be enforced against the leaders or their
friends are labeled as aparadhis, threatened, and driven away.

YOU ARE SIMPLY A "PAWN" IN THE HANDS OF THESE MYSTERIOUS "JUDGES" WHO
"TIE THE HANDS" OF THE CPO, WHO THEN  IS REDUCED
TO BLAND STATEMENTS WHERE KSATRIYA RAGE IS DUE!

YOUR ETERNAL SERVANT,

NNV DAS

=====================

10) Taking delight in other's misery/ hurricane Katrina
RE: Sanat and Mukunda by NNV

Mukunda is very fond of "kicking" anyone in the "face" that is more
educated than he is. Like Jayadwaita swami, he is an overcompensating
high school drop out. I joined Iskcon in 1967, and worked literally
night and day to BUILD this movement out of bare (often used!)
materials!......We build into a future that was to be Glorious, and
to see Mukunda and other termite-like offenders try to tear down our
hard work is not a pleasant sight to see. Most particularly, persons
like Mukunda have NEVER BUILT ANYTHING AT ALL for Srila
Prabhupada.....yet they wish to tear everything down with glee!

Actually, Mukunda is not trying to convert the scientists. I am sure
that there are no scientists on his mailing list ....not even the
Iskcon scientists. He has a one person audience, and that is
Puranjana from PADA. If it were not for PADA, Mukunda would have no
reason nor inclination to write anything at all. He hates one person,
and will write volumes to annoy that person as much as he can.

[PADA: Thanks NNV, whenever there are tragic problems in the world,
whether wars, earthquakes, tidal waves, floods, etc. then folks like
Sanat and Mukunda as well as some of our GBC pals and other similar
deviants are doing the happy dance, gleeful that "people are getting
their karma." A real devotee would immediately think the exact
opposite, "Here is a tragic situation, we should alleviate that, let
us start some harinama and prasad distribution in that area -- and so
forth." A devotee would not be gleeful that there is suffering,
rather he would want to reduce the suffering of the conditioned
souls. Indeed, he would want to go there and help out, as religious
missionaries have gone to troubled regions for thousands of years.

Notice that for the most part whether Sanat, Mukunda, GBC, Sridhara,
Narayana, Tripurari crews, none of these people are starting any
program to feed people down in New Orleans or etc. Neither did these
people help Kapindra maharaja when he went in to help the 9/11
victims with prasad. So, these critics have no plan to help others,
but if someone does help, they harass that person. In sum, the
devotees want to alleviate suffering, while the non-devotees
encourage or applaud suffering.

There was also dancing in the streets in parts of Iraq over the
Katrina wipe out, and Sanat and Mukunda were dancing with them
rejoicing. And unfortunately, the GBC, Sridhara, Narayana, Tripurari
and others are in the same theology camp for example, they think the
kulis "got their karma" and in sum: there is no compassion for
other's suffering. So there is a whole class of people artificially
dressing as devotees who have no feelings, or worse, who "taking
delight in the suffering of others" i.e. thinking alike with the
demoniac. No doubt, if these people run over a dog with their car,
they will get out of the car and do the happy dance because "karma
has been meted."

Of course, a bona fide Krishna devotee understands that people are
getting their karma, just as Maharaja Yudhisthira had done. Yet we
find that Yudhisthira was crying in compassion over their suffering?
Where do we find the bona fide devotees delighting in other's
suffering, especially, the suffering of the ordinary ignorant
materialists? And that is why Krishna made Yudhisthira the king of
the world, because of his having the saintly qualities of compassion.
Again, Yudhisthira never took delight in the fact that people were
suffering, even his own enemies. Rather he was stunned, shocked and
saddened after the Kurushetra war, he was not doing the happy dance?
So there is karma, which is designed to reduce the material fever,
and this may in fact turn people to God, but the suffering is not
something the devotees are gloating over? Then again, in the case of
suffering devotee children, then that is not just "their karma" --
that means there was a failure on the parts of the leaders and the
adults, this is the result of the elder's negligence and is not the
fault of the victims. So this whole karma argument is often used in
the wrong context.

And while some devotees wrote to PADA to ask about the fate (karma?)
of our dear devotees near New Talavan (apparently they are ok) only
Sanat and Mukunda wrote to say they are happy that Prabhupada's
family of devotees are getting pounded, and they hope those devotees
are suffering and dying and getting evil karma. Notice that even the
most ignorant of karmis, indeed even the animal butchers, they do not
wish suffering upon others because they are saintly when compared to
these demoniac thinkers, who are always hoping and plotting how
others should suffer more and more. And if Sanat and Mukunda types
find that a storm has caused lots of suffering to other beings such
as birds, fish, cows, dogs, women, devotees and children etc., they
enjoy that all the more. Tamal also used to gloat when a devotee died
of a drug overdose, he was just as happy as the Sanat and Mukunda
types to see suffering -- because they are like minded, they enjoy
the suffering of others.

In sum, the Bhagavat Gita says that the demons -- ultimately -- want
to see the destruction of the entire world, and that is why they
openly wish evil and suffering to mankind. Now the demons are pleased
as drunks during happy hour that there has been a big hurricane. This
is what Prabhupada confirms: "The demoniac are happy to see the
suffering of others." Of course some guys like Pat Robertson were
preaching that "New Orleans was wiped out because they tolerated
gays," so Sanat is another version of Pat Robertson, more or less
gloating that people are suffering and dying. Fanatics. In short,
when old people, women and children are dying and suffering, these
fools are gloating over that. We may recall that in the Bible God
notified one devotee that He was going to destoy the city, and the
devotee immediately pleaded to save the citizens, having compassion.
So this is the nature of the devotees, and that is why they are dear
to Krishna.

Sanat and Mukunda are always writing about how they want to see more
suffering, a nuclear war, the end of the world's oil supplies, and/or
storms, floods, earthquakes, fires, and general violent chaos, which
-- hurts and kills people. And when there is a hurricane, they start
having ecstatic symptoms, ... happy that people are suffering and
dying. So this is the mentality of the demons, says shastra. Every
time there is a calamity, the demons are happy, and this has been the
case since Kamsa wanted to destroy Vrindavana many years ago. Of
course Prabhupada says that the demons are so foolish, their desire
to see big calamity -- destroys them as well.

This mentality is not at all new in ISKCON either, a big holocaust/
war/ natural disaster was what Harikesha, Hansadutta, Kirtanananda
and others preached as well. "The world will end soon, so surrender
to us"! That is also what Charles Manson, Jim Jones, David Koresh,
and many others "preached." Even the idyoot Heaven's Gate cult
preached that the end was coming soon, and they wanted the end to
come -- just like Sanat and Mukunda. Many devotees have noted this,
every time there is some horrible catastrophe these guys are writing
about how happy they are that other living beings are suffering, i.e.
they want to see humanity suffer and die, just like so many other
demons have done since time immemorial. Whereas the devotees want to
help suffering humanity. Haridasa Thakura for example, he wanted to
take everyone's sins so they would not have to suffer, whereas Sanat
and Mukunda are hoping other people will suffer, so they are not
devotees of Krishna. Oddly, they want a nuclear war, which will kill
millions of babies and cows, while they say they want to "protect"
cows? Even the police wonder why Sanat wants to kill molested
children, does that not make him the same as an evil Catholic Priest
molester? No, he is far worse. In sum, we never find Haridasa saying
that he hopes the suffering of humanity will increase, because he is
not a demon.

Worse, Sanat and Mukunda never "act" to initiate any action. Mukunda
e-mailed photos of a nuclear bomb going off to the GBC, thinking the
GBC would hide in fear. The GBC laughed like hyenas at the
foolishness of this Mukunda idyoot. This is like sending a photo of a
gun to a terrorist thinking he will stop being a crook.
The thing is, they simply "react" to PADA's implementing action, as
we have on the bogus appointment, books changes, molesting issue,
poison issue and so many other issues. This is why they only write
about PADA's stories and actions, and how PADA is dealing with
various issues, because they are not dealing with any of these issues
themselves. BIG NEWS for Sanat! PADA editor was sitting by a dumpster
today! Wow! Bigger news, PADA editor was eating a cheese taco, wow!
Ecstacy! This is pretty sad, the only ecstacy they have in life, the
only thing they can think about 24 hours a day is, PADA was washing
his shirt, PADA was changing his sneakers, etc.! WOW!

That means they are not doing anything themselves. That is how the
kulis complained too, Sanat and Mukunda want to make sure no one
plans to help the kulis, and meanwhile they have no plan to help the
kulis themselves, they are worse than big fat zeros because they will
harass any effort to help save the orginal books, the kulis, and so
on. Thanks NNV, you are right, they only thing they have written
about since 1997 is "PADA did this," "PADA did that," and/or "Can't
wait for the bombs to drop" and/or feeding Sulochana was sinful
because PADA was helping financing him, they wanted Sulochana to die
as well, they have no life of their own, and indeed they want death
for us, Sulochana and -- for the world. This is why there has been so
many problems in ISKCON, these ideas have driven the severe
repression, abuses and indeed gloating over the devotee abuses. ys pd]