Thema: Syamarani/ Narayana Maharaja 9-30 
Datum: 30.09.2007 16:20:17 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit

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2) The Homonym ISKCON (about Narayana Maharaja) BY: JADURANI DASI

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Prabhupada DVD: Hare Krishna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada! To give you
some idea of the new material on the Prabhupada DVD set I have posted a few
sample video clips at: Please check them out and see
what you think. The sample clips available are: - Guide to Self Realization
- "Happiness on 2nd. Avenue" New York City 1966 - Srila Prabhupada Arriving
in Australia 1974 - Ratha Yatra Festival, Philadelphia, 1975 - Srila
Prabhupada Installing Mahaprabhu in Australia - Newly Discovered
Film--Prabhupada in Germany - Srila Prabhupada's Birthday Celebration at
New Vrindavana. You can find all this and more at:
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy! Madhudvisa dasa

RE: Austin Texas guru Sankarsana: Dear PADA, Hari Bol PAMHO, Jai
Prabhupada. I'm not sure who you are and if you are affiliated with GBC or
not, but I did a google on the infamous Sankarshan Das of Austin,TX..and it
startles me that he is an initiating guru. I lived in Austin for quite
sometime, and I believe there is something wrong if a center that has been
around for 15 years in a large city isn't growing, and is actually turning
away devotees like a repulsive force. I don't want to shake up my aparadha
meter, I just hope that some higher authorities could take the time to
'check' out this place, like an accreditation. I know for a fact that
devotees trying to advance, are suffering because of what's going on in
Austin. Where is all the money going that they consistently ask for? Oh,
the travels..I thought we were trying to make 'Austin a Grand Success'...Oh
that's right, find e-devotees because Austin is such a small city with no
one interested in Krsna. Sorry about the vent,please help them! ***********

not, however, lend any weight to Janmastami's attempted rebuttal of
Balavidya's paper on the defeat of Appointism and Posthumous Rtvikism. It
would be good of Janmastami to admit that, and to directly respond to the
actual assertions Balavidya made, and to the rebuttal points that followed."

[PADA: Notice: Rocana is still saying his guru is the "post mortem" dead
body. As a devotee said recently, "This is a fancy way for Rocana's to say:
his guru is dead, post mortem. Why not just say, 'my guru is the dead guy'
and be honest"? PADA editor had to tell to this devotee that Rocana cannot
ever be honest, simply stated, he has to use the bogus GBC/ Sridhara/
Narayana/ coined euphemisms whereas Srila Prabhupada is clear: "As soon as
it was announced that guru is dead, then I can kill guru and become guru."
Rocana says that is not clear? No, it is clear, Rocana is "killing guru"
with his post mortem pada idea. The guru is being killed with distorted

So we told this devotee that Rocana is "clear," he is aligned with the
"kill guru and become sabha," and hence he has sympathy for the Kailasha's
and "living Bhakti Marga" whose ex-servant just wrote to tell PADA how much
money is being wasted with these bogus "Canada walks" -- which impresses
the neophytes like Rocana. "Srila Prabhupada is dead but Bhakti Marga can
waste months of time walking around the country." Wowsers! Of course a dog
can also "walk accross Canada," and a few fools like Rocana will be
impressed with that too.

And how did you guess, Rocana is simply repeating / following his actual
"authorities" such as Satsvarupa Dasa Goswami and Ravindra Swarupa. They
are Rocana's mentors who concocted the idea that "Srila Prabhupada is
posthumous." PADA is still not able to comprehend the actual siddhanta of
Rocana/ Kailasha/ and Sridhara/ Narayana/ Tripurari/ Jayadvaita/ Garua
Govinda Maharajas et al. "We are all supposed to abandon ISKCON, start to
trek all over the planet in search of their -- real guru -- maybe in the
mountains of Peru." Fine, the problem is that this creates a dysfuntional
state of chaos if everyone is ordered to abandon the ISKCON ship and go
somewhere else.

However, anyone who actually worships the bona fide acharya Srila
Prabhupada infuriates Rocana who says we cannot have some "Post mortem
worship of Srila Prabhupada church" -- perhaps because then there would be
standardized worship -- and a system of governing or "law and order" and
thus a means of curtailing criminal activity. Rocana never tell us, where
does Srila Prabhupada order us to abandon ISKCON and find Rocana's alleged
"living guru"? Where does Srila Prabhupada refer to the previous acharyas
as "the post mortem guys"? Of course Rocana never walks into an actual
Church and announces his big plan that Jesus is the dead and post mortem
guy, the Christians would tar and feath this smarty pants guy.

In short, Srila Prabhupada says this "post mortem guru" process is the
bogus idea of the Gaudiya Matha. No wonder so many children were molested
under these folks (and Rocana's) scheme. They are promoting lawless
anarchy. There is no governance at all, it is a free-for-all. Leave ISKCON,
let everyone in Prabhupada's mission be unprotected and victimized, go out
and find another guru, another relgion, another spiritual process, abandon
ISKCON, and let everyone of Srila Prabhupada's posthumous "dead" followers
get banned, beat, molested and shot. Good job Rocana! Amazing, Rocana is
proud he caused all this mayhem and molesting.

Fact is: these people have so much blood on their hands they could never
clean it up, and yet oddly Rocana refers to us as "the shotgun ritviks."
Rocana, it is your scatter gun guru ideas, for example that everyone should
abandon ship and let your imperious, lawless, tyrant, anarchist "gurus"
rule, that is the bottom line of your process, and this has ruined ISKCON
and the lives of countless of ISKCON's citizens. thanks pd]


2) The Homonym ISKCON (about Narayana Maharaja) BY: JADURANI DASI

Cutting Through The Jungles Of False Propaganda and Misunderstanding: A
response to Gadadhara prabhu's article on Srila Narayana Maharaja. Some
time back an article appeared on Chakra entitled "Understanding Narayana
Maharaja: His Own Words and Primary Sources". More recently, an updated
version of that article was published in the Sun by Gadadhara dasa. The
following article was written as a refutation of the original
"Understanding Narayana Maharaja".

Recently there was an article published on the Cakra website, attempting to
show that Srila Narayana Maharaja's teachings are different from those of
Srila Prabhupada, and trying to discourage devotees from hearing from him.
This compilation, full of quotes gathered by an ISKCON Gurukula teacher,
was also translated and distributed in Mexico during Srila Maharaja's
recent visit there. The ideas expressed in the compilation have already
been refuted repeatedly over the years on the Internet. Still, because the
compilation has just been translated into Spanish, we are again replying
for the sake of new readers.

In this present article we will state the same quotes of Srila Narayana
Maharaja used in the compilation, along with quotes from Srila Prabhupada
confirming Srila Maharaja's statements. Knowing that every one of us
understands both life and scripture according to our millions of births of
impressions, sukrtis and samskaras, the author humbly requests the
respected reader to consider the points presented herein in the light of
your highest aspiration. Decide as you like.

The compilation posted on Cakra is called 'Understanding Narayana Maharaja:
his own words and other primary sources'. Let us first of all consider the
meaning of the title, which may lead the reader to think that it is
accurately representing Srila Maharaja's words. Actually, his words are
many times taken out of context, and sometimes simply changed. Moreover, in
the ISKCON compilation, the 'primary sources' are not even credible.

When quoting the compilation, we shall begin with the word 'COMPILATION',
and we will begin our own statements with the word 'REFUTATION'. Because
the compilation is very lengthy and contains so many ideas, we shall
discuss only half of those ideas in this article and more of them in
articles to come. Our article is quite long, but we beg your indulgence,
for a careful reading will clear the matter. Otherwise, you are quite
welcome to browse:

COMPILATION 1: Narayana Maharaja Mathura, October 24, 1999: "We can glorify
Swamiji, Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja. But those who are falling down, how
can they glorify him? They cannot glorify him, never; they are cutting.
They are establishing that he was the founder of ISKCON, but I know that he
was not founder, he was one of the members of this in guru parampara. It
was founded by Krishna, and first acarya was Brahma, then Narada, then
Vyasa. Only he has changed the name and he has preached these things in
Western countries."

[PADA: FOUNDER ACHARYA. First of all, notice the immediate disrespect to
Srila Prabhupada. He gave "Jadurani" that name, and now she has been in
essence "re-initiated" by Narayana Maharaja with a new name --
"Shyamarani." When some of Srila Prabhupada's God brothers gave these "new
names" to his disciples in the late 1960s he said, "This is most
disrespectful to me and this action would never be conducted by any bona
fide Vaishnava." How did you guess, NM has given other "new names" to Srila
Prabhupada's disciples. Sridhara Maharaja did the same thing, yet Srila
Prabhupada totally disapproves of this process. In fact many of the "new"
names are so far removed from the originals -- know one even knows anymore
who these people ever were under Srila Prabhupada. At least Tripurari had
the sense to demand that his name not be changed. Narayana Maharaja is
doing what the other Gaudiya Matha deviants have been doing all along,
trying to siphon off Srila Prabhupada's followers and "re-initiate" them.
This is simply another example of how Narayana Maharaja is part of the pack
of Gaudiya Matha deviants.       

Sorry to have to report this to Narayana Maharaja, but Srila Prabhupada IS
the founder of ISKCON, and he himself uses the title of the "founder
acharya of ISKCON." "ISKCON" is sometimes categorized by Srila Prabhupada
as a branch of the Chaitanya tree, and Srila Prabhupada SAYS he is "the
founder acharya" of this particular branch known as ISKCON. Narayana
Maharaja has no authority to change the process and nomenclatures given by
the acharya. We also find that other parampara gurus are credited with
various accomplishments, such as founding their particular missions. And
Srila Prabhupada duly credits the other acharyas with their individual

Yet, as far as Srila Prabhupada is concerned -- he is definitely "the
founder acharya" of ISKCON, just as Srila Sarasvati is credited with being
the "founder acharya" of the Gaudiya Matha. Each acharya can be credited
for his particular accomplishments, why does Narayana Maharaja not
understand the process? Srila Prabhupada thus says, my guru maharaja (Srila
Saraswati) founded the Gaudiya Matha mission. He does not say, Lord Brahma
founded the Gaudiya Matha mission? According to Narayana Maharaja, Krishna
is the founder of everything, so why give credit to His devotees like
Arjuna? No, Krishna HIMSELF gives credit to His devotees for their
particular accomplishments.

Srila Prabhupada furthermore says that while he was busy establishing his
ISKCON movement, his God brothers were "not preaching, but simply ringing
the bell in the temple" and as such they were essentially "asara" --
useless, and worse, many of them were "envious" of his attempts. Srila
Prabhupada is thus the whole and sole reason that ISKCON exists at all, and
that the Holy Name of Krishna has appeared in the Western world. He did the
job. Nobody else did! Then again, in 1997 even the lowly PADA editor
brought forward "the poison issue" to Narayana Maharaja's attention and he
angrily slammed us for doing that service and for our CITING of SRILA
PRABHUPADA in this regard. Later on, he was forced to accept the issue due
to our presentation of substantial evidence, yet he never publicly
"credits" us with helping him understand the issue. In short, we are the
ones who helped him figure this out, and yet he does not ever credit us
either. To sum, it seems NM does not want to "give credit" to anyone, he is
the exclusive most important "king of the hill."]    

** [Srila Prabhupada: "But actually the original father of this movement is
Lord Krsna Himself, since it was started a very long time ago, but is
coming down to human society by disciplic succession. If I have any credit
in this connection, it does not belong to me personally, but it is due to
my eternal spiritual master, His Divine Grace Om Visnupada Paramahamsa
Parivrajakacarya 108 Sri Srimad Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Maharaja

[PADA: Fine, this is wonderful but does not change the fact that -- each
particular acharya is still being given credit for his own particular
preaching actions, such as establishing the Gaudiya Matha or ISKCON.
Moreover Srila Prabhupada says that the ENTIRE basis for his ISKCON
movement is his Bhagavad Gita, and yet Narayana Maharaja slams and
criticizes Srila Prabhupada's Gita process as "only" giving partial
information and not the real "rasika" information. Then again, Narayana
Maharaja wrote his own entire version of the Gita, trying to make a
superior commentary to Srila Prabhupada's (just like Kirtanananda has
done). In any case NM says he is doing the higher work after Srila
Prabhupada did the initial rough cleaning work.

Srila Prabhupada says: there is no need for a disciple to re-write a book
ALREADY written by his acharya, and thus to do so is an insult. Jadurani
says that Narayana Maharaja is a disciple of Srila Prabhupada, so if this
is the true, why is "a disciple" writing another version of a book ALREADY
written by his own guru? Srila Prabhupada says it is a great offense to
write another commentary over your guru's. Narayana Maharaja is thus
re-writing apparently like Kirtanananda, he also needs to write "another
commentary," so they are establishing the wrong attitude towards the

** [SRILA PRABHUPADA: We follow the same principle because we belong to the
Brahma sampradaya, directly in the disciplic chain from Brahma to Narada,
from Narada to Vyasa, from Vyasa to Madhva Muni, from Madhva Muni to
Madhavendra Puri, from Madhavendra Puri to Isvara Puri, from Isvara Puri to
Lord Caitanya and gradually to His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati,
our divine master."]

[PADA: Good! Why then does Narayana Maharaja cite that "there is nothing
wrong" with his "worship of homosexuals as acharyas" project, linking and
juxtaposing homosexuals and other deviants with "gurus," and the ABOVE
mentioned guru parampara, and Krishna's successors? Why does not Narayana
Maharaja teach us that it is VERY wrong to juxtapose material contamination
with our parampara?]

** [COMPILATION 2: Narayana Maharaja 28th April 1999, morning, Caracas:
"Also you should know that Caitanya Mahaprabhu is the founder of ISKCON.
Swamiji, AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja is one of the prominent acaryas in
this line only. He is not founder; he's one of the prominent acaryas, who
spread all these things [over] whole world, in a very short time.]

[PADA: Sorry, there is no excuse to ignore listing Srila Prabhupada as "the
founder acharya of the ISKCON institution." He is the one who went to New
York City, he is the one who forwarded the message of Lord Chaitanya, and
he is the one who duly registered the name of ISKCON as his society. ISKCON
is his official institution, and its founder is, and always will be, Srila
Prabhupada. Arjuna also performed his particular service as one of our
acharyas, he helped create the Bhagavad Gita. So he too is listed as an
acharya who is credited with helping create our Bhagavad Gita. Arjuna is
credited for that and not Lord Brahma or anyone else because -- he did the
job. Arjuna is given credit for that service, and credit has to be given
where credit is due, and no doubt Lord Brahma praises Arjuna for his
service! The acharyas are glad to give credit to each other!]

** JD: Thus, to be a prominent acarya in this line is the greatest glory.

[PADA: Straw man agument. This is not the question being debated, the
question is not "who is in the line." The question is, "Who founded the
contemporary ISKCON institution." And it is without a doubt Srila
Prabhupada, plain and simple. Madhvacharya is similarly credited with being
"the founder" of the Dvaita (dualism) school of siddhanta. No other
acharyas would EVER dare try to steal that title, rather they ALL credit
Madhvacarya, and thus the other acharyas glorify Madva as "the founder
acharya" of that siddhanta. Each particular acharya is credited for his own
various accomplishments. Just as Arjuna is the acharya of our current
Bhagavat Gita, that is his particular participation and seva in our
parampara. Yet, all of us neophyte disciples are told in any case to
worship the last link, and so for us, that is Srila Prabhupada.]

** [COMPILATION 3: Narayana Maharaja Murwillumbah, Australia: Feb. 18, 2002
(eve): "Your Prabhupada, Srila Swami Maharaja, only changed the name into
English. He is not the founder-acarya of that eternal ISKCON ... I am
ISKCON. I'm not different from ISKCON. I am 'Bhaktivedanta' [Srila
Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja].

[PADA: Yet Narayana Maharaja is always friends with the Gaudiya Matha
deviants who harassed, criticized and even threatened Srila Prabhupada with
violence for his using the titles of "Bhaktivedanta and Prabhupada." In
1980 Jadurani was foremost in distributing Srila Prabhupada's quotes about:
avoiding the Gaudiya Matha; Appointed and zonal gurus being certified by
the Gaudiya Matha's Sridhara Maharaja (and Narayana Maharaja); Sridhara's
talking about rasika with neophytes (as did Narayana Maharaja), and so on,
she seems to forgot all those quotes? NOTICE, the bogus Gaudiya Matha's
influence above -- Narayana Maharaja STILL refers to Srila Prabhupada as
"swami maharaja." Narayana Maharaja has allegedly been associated with the
most envious of the God brothers that Jadurani was warning us about in
1980, and for sure NM glorifies those deviants as his acharya / messiahs as
he did in 1990.

These deviants still refuse to give Srila Prabhupada his proper title.
Hence Srila Prabhupada says, that is because they are envious. And now we
see that Narayana Maharaja is furthermore envious of Srila Prabhupada's
additional title: "founder acharya of ISKCON." Each acharya is credited for
his contribution. Now Srila Prabhupada is only "swami maharaja," he is not
even "Bhaktivedanta" or "Srila Prabhupada," he is not even "the founder
acharya," he is not even "ISKCON." NOTICE! Now all of a sudden NM is
emerging as "the real successor, the Bhaktivedanta, the acharya, the rasika
guru, the senior to Srila Prabhupada, the actual ISKCON," etc.]

** [NM: "Like father, like son. I am the real successor of Srila
Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, and there is no other. You should know this
very openly. I am Bhaktivedanta and he is Bhaktivedanta, but he received
this name after I did. I'm senior to him in this regard ... I'm
Bhaktivedanta, and I'm also ISKCON. Don't think that I'm out of ISKCON."]

[PADA: Great, now Narayana Maharaja is "the father" of both Srila
Prabhupada and ISKCON? Moreover he thinks "I'm senior to him" -- and Srila
Prabhupada is the lesser, the son. And yet Narayana Maharaja said in 1990
that the Gaudiya Matha's Sridhara, Madhava, and Tirtha maharajas are all
acharyas -- just like Srila Sarasawati and Srila Prabhupada. Srila
Prabhupada says the opposite, these three deviated and "amongst my God
brothers NO ONE is qualified to be acharya."

Narayana Maharaja says that the three deviants NAMED by Srila Prabhupada
are his idea of acharyas and EQUALS to Srila Prabhupada. NM insults Srila
Prabhupada as being one and the same with NAMED deviants. And NM also
defended the bogus GBC's guru program as "guru successors." Meanwhile
NOTICE: At other times Narayana Maharaja contradicts himself and says, "I
am not ISKCON, I am Gaudiya Matha." As some say, he just says whatever will
"fool the foolish" at that moment in time .... Notice that NM equates
deviants with Srila Prabhupada, and then says he is "glorifying" Srila
Prabhupada. Later we find that Narayana Maharaja admits he has been
juxtaposing and equating "monkey-like neophytes" -- with Srila Prabhupada.]

[JD: "... Srila Prabhupada sometimes said he was the founder-acarya for two
reasons: for management and legal purposes, and also for the faith of his
young disciples who would not have understood another presentation at that

[PADA: Narayana Maharaja (and folks like Gaura Govinda Maharaja) similarly
said that Srila Prabhupada wrongly (?) stated that "the soul originates
with Krishna, and not impersonal brahman," because "his young disciples
would not understand." Srila Prabhupada has to change the whole siddhanta
to pacify a few neophytes? No! Srila Prabhupada says that his God brothers
are infested with mayavada ideas, that the soul originates in brahman. And
Srila Prabhupada said he is the founder acharya of ISKCON, because he is.
He said we originate in Krishna's lila, because we do, he is merely stating
the facts, not stating some concocted rubbish to pacify the new people? And
even if Srila Prabhupada only stated that he is "the founder acharya" just
in order to pacify some neophytes -- in order to make stable system of
managing for his ISKCON -- why then is Narayana Maharaja disturbing Srila
Prabhupada's process? NM is changing the formula given by the acharya --
and he is creating his own system of the chaos of maverick, bogus and
"illicit sex" so-called acharyas in ISKCON, just like he and his pals did
when they ruined the Gaudiya Matha by making false acharyas.]

[** NM: I was like the priest at his sannyasa ceremony.]

[PADA: Narayana Maharaja shoots himself in the foot, again! First, Narayana
Maharaja says "there is no such thing as a priest," yet NOW he says "I am
the priest." NM said previously "there is no such thing as a 'priest' in
the Vaishnava dictionary." A priest is also known as a ritvik. Now he says,
he is Srila Prabhupada's priest, a ritvik, but then again -- there is no
such thing as -- a priest -- like NM? So he has nullified his own
existence? This is why Srila Prabhupada says the mayavadis "nullify their
own existence." Narayana Maharaja also says that the priests and ritviks
are all "poison," hence the priests who brought forth Lord Narayana from
the sacrificial ceremony in the Srimad Bhagavatam are "poison"? Or maybe
these people mentioned in the Bhagatam do not exist, but NM does?

Worse, Narayana Maharaja says that worship of someone like Jesus is also
"priest" poison? Why does NM hate Jesus? The good news is, NM finally
admits: he is a ritvik and hence he is according to himself, poison. Why is
Narayana Maharaja saying he is ISKCON, simultaneously, he is poison?
NOTICE, none of Narayana Maharaja's followers even remember what he said
previously, since he is ALWAYS confuting and refuting himself. He just says
whatever he has to in order to "fool the foolish" at the moment ...]

** [Srila Prabhupada: But actually I am just like a peon. I have brought,
but I am delivering it without any adulteration. That may be my credit. And
if you take it without any adulteration and practice it, then your life is

[PADA: And as soon as Srila Prabhupada AND THE VEDAS say that "priests"
exist, Narayana Maharaja then says Srila Prabhupada's teaching is "poison"
for making such a claim. Worship of Jesus is poison, but "there is nothing
wrong" with the worship of homosexuals (and pedophiles). Why does NM love
to orchestrate the worship homosexuals and pedophiles? Simultaneously, NM
says he is the ritvik priest of Srila Prabhupada. Is this why Jesus says,
"oh ye hypocrites, sons of vipers"? This is why many have said: Narayana
Maharaja is intentionally spreading confusion so he can manipulate his own
self-created crises to his advantage. The robbers throw dust into the
pilgrim's faces, then steal their money.]

[NM: ... "Then, after them, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura and Srila Prabhupada
Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Thakura appeared in their line, and they
are also part of the real ISKCON. All these are ideal ISKCON personalities,
and you should always be aware of this."]

[PADA: Narayana Maharaja has said that big deviants like Sridhara, Madhava
and Tirtha maharajas are acharyas, as are NM's post-1977 Tamal's homosexual
guru fiasco. The deviants are always acharyas -- and we all know they have
established homosexuals as gurus. Why does Narayana Maharaja always include
homosexuals and deviants -- or their vociferous backers -- in his process
of gurus / acharyas? NM also says that Bon Maharaja is his worshipped
"poojya-pada," whereas Srila Prabhuada says Bon is "a black snake." We
worship -- the black snakes? Others have said that Bon was orchestrating
homosexual activity in the holy dham, is this why he is our "pooja-pada"?

Why does Narayana Maharaja cite "there is nothing wrong" with his placing
homosexuals into the chain of gurus. By what authority is NM making
deviants into Krishna's successors? Krishna says "acharyam mam vijnaniyam,"
"the acharyas are as pure as My very self." Yet NM refutes Krishna and
cites "there is nothing wrong" with adding and mixing criminals, poisoners,
homosexuals and deviants into the acharya's list, prompting another class
of NM's critics to claim Narayana Maharaja is himself a homosexual and so
he wants to see other homosexuals worshiped as "pure." That is the
perception among some at least. For sure, NM never explains why he cites
"there is nothing wrong" with his worship of deviants as good as "God's
feet" process.]

** [JD: If we think that Prabhupada is first, it means we think we don't
have to refer to the previous acaryas of the succession to understand what
he is trying to teach. It means we think that we, and conditioned souls
like us, are the authorities on understanding him.]

[PADA: For starters, Srila Prabhupada always cites the names of ALL the
other gurus in the parampara, why is he being criticized for not doing
that? Srila Prabhupada never creates the impression he is the sole acharya,
he always credits the whole chain of gurus. Why is Jadurani saying that
Srila Prabhupada does not make this clear? At the same time Srila
Prabhupada refers to himself as the founder acharya of ISKCON, why is this
something we can challenge? Is this why Narayana Maharaja had to write his
"own version" of the Gita. At the very beginning of Srila Prabhupada's Gita
he lists the acharyas in our line, and Narayana Maharaja was incensed to
find that his deviant pals were not included. As soon as Narayana Maharaja
found that his homosexual guru's project was not recognized in ISKCON's
Gita, he had to write another Gita. Or what?]

** [COMPILATION 4: Hari Sauri 3/31/97 7:54 AM Letter: "He (Narayana
Maharaja) shouted, 'I am not under your rules. I am not ISKCON, I am
Gaudiya Math!'"]

[PADA: Now the followers of Narayana Maharaja are REALLY chasing their own
tail in a circle. First of all, starting around 1996, they argued (and
argued and argued and argued!) that Narayana Maharaja is NOT part of the
Gaudiya Matha, because as we all know they promoted bogus gurus. Hence
Srila Prabhupada told us to avoid them. Moreover Tamal was in trouble with
other bogus GBC by 1987 for his "associating with Narayana Maharaja -- of
the Gaudiya Matha." So Narayana Maharaja was suddenly, "not part of the
Gaudiya Matha, he was only Keshava Matha." Then in 1990, Narayana Maharaja
publicly said in Ravindra's "ISKCON Journal" that the bogus gurus of the
Gaudiya Matha are recognized by him as acharyas -- because he IS -- part --
of the Gaudiya Matha. Hence by 1993 the bogus GBC wanted to remove Tamal
for being "with" NM because he was "part of the Gaudiya Matha."

Then Narayana Maharaja said he is NOT Gaudiya Matha but he is ISKCON, later
(as we see above) he said he is Gaudiya Matha and not ISKCON, therefore as
we see, he "fools the foolish" by his fully self-contradictory statements,
all day long, and his followers don't even notice what he said the day
before. Some have argued, NM has lied so many times he himself cannot keep
track of all his changed up reversals of siddhanta. Jadurani needs to be
given credit for producing some of the worst of these contradictions in
this paper. Bravo girl! We could not have presented these self-confuting
statements without your help!]

** [REFUTATION 4: The compilation is trying to say that Srila Maharaja
contradicts himself to suit his purposes.]

[PADA: Well said, yes NM is a mass of contradictions!]

** [JD: They had been accusing him of re-initiating Gaurangi dasi, who had
actually never been initiated before.]

[PADA: Right, this is yet another complaint, that Narayana Maharaja is
simply unable to preach on his own and he has to siphon off devotees like
Gaurangi from ISKCON. Notice also that Narayana Maharaja had in 1984 helped
the bogus GBC's make their "re-initiations" scheme, and yet the bogus GBC's
are critical when this process is used against them by NM. As for Gaurangi
and Jadurani, they are simply followers of Tamal, he is the one who said
that we have to work with Narayana Maharaja -- and they accept Tamal's

** [Srila Narayana Maharaja:] "I have seen that Srila Swami Maharaja has
given the definition of ISKCON with this sloka: krsnah bhakti rasa bhavita.
This is the basis of ISKCON."]

[PADA: Why does Narayana Maharaja critize Srila Prabhupada as being "only a
devotee of Maha Vishnu," he thinks Srila Prabhupada did not give the "rasa"
and "rasika" process. This is still the big advertisement NM's followers
give the innocent, "In ISKCON you cannot get the rasika teachings." And in
the mid 1980s the bogus GBC advertised NM as "the rasika guru."]

** [COMPILATION 5: A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada Letter to: Dr.
Bigelow: -- Allahabad 20 January, 1971: "I am the founder-acharya of the
International Society for Krishna Consciousness."]

[PADA: Good. Why then is it so difficult for Narayana Maharaja to accept
this point? Srila Prabhupada is the person who came to New York and did the
real service of establishing ISKCON. Narayana Maharaja claims to be better
than Srila Prabhupada as "the father, the senior man," NM is the father and
Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON are NM's son, but NM can only act like a bug
sitting in the lap of the king.]

** [Srila Narayana Maharaja:] "If you fully surrender, by body, mind, words
and ego, then I may tell you [if he is a servant of the gopis]. Otherwise,
I will not. I know who he is, but you do not know. None of the ISKCON
leaders know. Your Prabhupada has cheated them all, in the sense that he
has not revealed himself to them at all."

[PADA: Narayana Maharaja said in 1990 that he knew that the bogus GBC has
been applying to titles of "rati keli siddha" (gopi's servants) to
homosexuals, and YET he still went on supporting them. NM also cites "there
is nothing wrong" when his pals affixed "rati keli siddha" to homosexuals
after 1936. Narayana Maharaja is simply another version of Radha Kunda
Babajis, they also affix "acharya" titles to illicit sex deviants.]

** [COMPILATION 8: Narayana Maharaja, Lecture given on September 19th,
1994: "Those who are not rasika Vaisnavas, who don't know tattva, and who
have not had the association of any pure Vaisnava, think that to preach
throughout the world the name of Krsna and to give Gita-sandesa is the
whole thing. So I want to say that if your Prabhupada had only given these
things and nothing beyond these things, then he would have only been the
servant of Mahavisnu, not Krsna. This strange idea is for those who are
ignorant. But those who are wise and have taken initiation from any rasika
Vaisnava and bhavaka-bhakta of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, those who have given
their heart to him and have realized something, even very little, can
realize these things about who Prabhupada actually is.]

[PADA: This point was the entire basis for Narayana Maharaja's being
required as "the rasika guru" for ISKCON, as he was called openly by Tamal
and his clique: Srila Prabhupada gave us only the fundamentals, now we are
getting the "real" rasika thing, this was preached openly and still is by
the followers of NM. Never mind there is considerable marijuana use amongst
many of his "rasika followers."]

** [NM: He is a follower of Rupa Gosvami, and he was very happy to say
that, 'I am Rupanuga.' You should know what is Rupanuga. Even Srila
Sanatana Gosvami, the guru of Rupa Gosvami, felt very great happiness in
thinking that "I am a follower of Srila Rupa Gosvami. I should follow Rupa.
He is so high.]

[PADA: Good. Except as soon as we said we are "Prabhupada - anugas," then
Narayana Maharaja is angry as fire. NM says "there is no such word as
Prabhupada-anugas." Now he contradicts himself and says, we should be proud
to use the title of "anuga" with our guru's name? NM says, (a) there is no
such thing as us -- "guru-anugas" but, (b) we should be proud to declare we
are the "anugas" of our guru, so once again he is simply confuting his own
statements and making up stuff as he goes along. Mano rathena.]

** [COMPILATION 9: Narayana Maharaja Bambra, a farm near Melbourne: "Srila
Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja told me in the last days 'You should help my
disciples. They are like monkeys; I could not train them so much. So always
try to help them.'"

[PADA: Great admission from NM! The first thing NM did was to declare that
the "monkey" class are Vishnupada's and acharyas, not minor league ritviks.
In sum NM refused to help us. Instead, he simply associated with his bogus
"monkey class" and declared that his pet monkeys are the next messiahs, and
he supported his monkey messiahs as "Vishnupada's acharyas." As such, NM is
the leading apologist for the "the enforced cult ritualistic worship of
homosexual pedophile guru's regime," as he vociferously backed the worship
of deviants even when thousands of children were getting molested. NM
admits, he openly mixes "monkeys" (i.e. illicit sex and drugs) with
"Krishna's pure devotees, Krishna's feet etc.", very offensive says shastra!

And NM said that anyone who objects to his monkey's and pedophile's worship
proqram is "posion" because he is tying to get us dissenters killed. And he
did get some of us kiled, and the result was thousands of kids were
molested thanks to his handiwork of supporting his "monkey business" --
pedophile worship. "Monkeys are Vishnupada gurus'," just see the ignorance
of this NM fellow. The good news is that Jadurani now admits that NM and
her program is "supporting monkeys -- to be worshiped as good as -- Vishnu
and Srila Prabhupada."

NM is the number one promoter of Monkey acharyas, according to NM himself!
Great admission here, NM loves to put monkeys into the seat of Srila
Prabhupada and ON KRISHNA'S ALTARS, he is happy to see photos of monkeys on
the altars, that is his way of worship of the guru, put monkeys in the
guru's seat of "the sum total of the demigods." This is why Sulochana used
to say that NM is placing a bucket of stools on Krishna's altars, and now
NM admits: he is pretty much doing that! Thanks Jadurani, yes you are
correct, NM is the monkey's worship "founder acharya."]

** [COMPILATION 10: NM: Don't think that I am teaching anything other than
what your Srila Prabhupada wanted and wrote. His voice has been recorded on
his last day. He ordered me, 'Help my disciples.']

[PADA: NM openly admits, he made monkeys, homosexuals and molesters into:
Vishnupada acharyas. He admits he drove ISKCON off a cliff by forcing it to
worship monkeys as Krishna's pure successors! He was told clearly "they are
only monkeys," then he declared the monkeys are "rasika acharyas." NM is de
facto admitting that he openly, and apparently intentionally, ruined ISKCON
and the lives of thousands of its children by his promoting of monkey
gurus. The good news is that now we know who is responsible for promoting
monkeys as messiahs, by his own admission!]

** [NM: For this reason he spoke so many things in Bengali. He told me, 'I
brought them, but I could not teach them in full.' If he had told them
everything, and if they were so knowledgeable and expert, why have so many
of the senior devotees, even those in the renounced order, fallen down?
Where are they now?]

[PADA: Good, Srila Prabhupada told NM they are falling, they are not fit
for sannyasa, they are monkeys. And now NM admits he is so foolish he made
the falling down, unfit, and the monkeys into gurus? And in Bengali Srila
Prabhupada also says he is being poisoned, but as soon as we mentioned that
to Narayana Maharaja, he was ONCE AGAIN very angry that we were attacking
his best pal: homosexual guru lover Tamal. NM felt no sympathy for Srila
Prabhupada's poison complaint, and no wonder, he was licking the boots of
the poison sabha every day for 15 years.]

** [COMPILATION 12: Satsvarupa Goswami: "In the ultimate issue, however,
what matters is not so much what Srila Prabhupada may or may not have said
to Srila Narayana Maharaja, but what Srila Prabhupada said to us, his
disciples. And there is no record of him ever instructing the members of
ISKCON to take direction from Srila Narayana Maharaja, other than to seek
his advice concerning the details of performing Srila Prabhupada's samadhi

[PADA: Actually this is good, Srila Prabhupada said we should not consult
with the Gaudiya Matha. Correct.]

** [REFUTATION 12: Prabhupada himself states, "They never thought, 'Why
Guru Maharaja gave us instruction so many things, why he did not say that
this man should be acarya?' They wanted to create artificially somebody
acarya and everything failed. They did not consider even with common sense
that if Guru Maharaja wanted to appoint somebody as acarya, why did he not
say? He said so many things, and this point he missed?" So Prabhupada
himself was not announced or externally appointed. He manifested as a
self-effulgent acarya, and those who were sincere recognized him. That is
the system since time immemorial.]

[PADA: And Narayana Maharaja says "there was nothing wrong" when they made
a false "appointed" acharya, he further says Sridhara is bona fide and he
made false acharyas, in sum NM supports the deviation of appointed gurus.
"No common sense," goody!]

** [COMPILATION 13: Hrdayananda Maharaja, letter Thursday, 7 December 2000:
"Narayana Maharaja states that he is the 'first' or maybe the 'true'
disciple of Srila Prabhupada etc. Actually I have personally served Srila
Prabhupada for so many years as a GBC member and he has never mentioned
Narayana Maharaja, nor was Narayana Maharaja engaged in any significant
service to Srila Prabhupada's Mission. Srila Prabhupada never told in any
book, article interview or any other documented statements, that Narayana
Maharaja should become the siksa guru of ISKCON."]

[PADA: Hrdayananda finally realized that by his bringing Narayana Maharaja
into ISKCON, this was causing major problems. Hrdayananda never admits that
it was him and Tamal who introduced NM to ISKCON.]

** [JD: From 1990-1995, several ISKCON gurus regularly visited Srila
Maharaja and inquired from him about proper Gaudiya Vaisnava philosophy and
the Lord's qualities and pastimes, and Srila Maharaja was satisfied to help
the members of ISKCON in their understanding. As the problems in ISKCON
still further increased, many ISKCON devotees who were disciples of
Prabhupada's disciples but had lost faith in their gurus, being inspired by
Srila Maharaja, begged him for bona fide Vaisnava initiation.]

[PADA: And yet is is NM who created the whole false guru problem because,
as he says himself, he made "monkeys" into gurus. He has no authority to
make monkeys into gurus? The guru is the successor to Krishna, now NM says
that monkeys are Krishna's "shaksat" successors!]

** [JD: Srila Maharaja told them he would be their siksa guru and he
encouraged them to continue in ISKCON. Also, many devotees who were not yet
initiated begged him for initiation, but he refused them. However, in 1995,
when ISKCON leaders banned him from their temple properties, and forbade
the devotees under their charge from seeing this pure devotee, Srila
Maharaja felt bound to travel around the world - to preach and help
devotees be re-inspired in their enthusiasm and spiritual practices, like
chanting rounds and Gayatri mantra and giving up sinful activities. He gave
them all shelter and began initiating, initiating to continue the disciplic
line from Prabhupada. He also became the beloved siksa-guru of many
hundreds of Prabhupada's direct disciples, giving them a new life after
their feeling dried up and hopeless since Prabhupada's departure.]

[PADA: He made a chaos out of ISKCON by creating what he now says are
monkey gurus, and then he exploited the chaos he created. The robber starts
the court house on fire, and while everyone goes to put that out, the
robber takes advantage of the chaos and robs the bank.]

** [JD: For example, some of the members of the GBC might have believed
that Prabhupada was making them his spiritual successors when they helped
him in formulating his last will, but it was not his last will regarding
spiritual matters. After Prabhupada's disappearance from our vision in
November of 1977, all the devotees and congregation members of ISKCON were
told that Prabhupada had written a last will, making the GBC the ultimate
managerial authorities and the ultimate executors in managing all the
affairs of ISKCON. But the will was only a legal document regarding
properties. The following is an excerpt of a conversation that took place
on June 2, 1977, so that you can have more information. It was not a will
of successorship or controlling the lives of devotees at all.

Prabhupada: Instead of trustees...
Tamala Krsna: Use a different word.
Prabhupada: Ah!
Ramesvara: Not to apply to a trust.
Giriraja: Oh, I see.
Ramesvara: It's a different word.
Prabhupada: Supreme managers.
Gopala Krsna: Supreme managers. (laughter)
Prabhupada: Or the ultimate managers, like that.
Gopala Krsna: The ultimate executives?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: Yes, the executors.
Gopala Krsna: Ultimate executors.
Tamala Krsna: Or commissioners. You have...
Prabhupada: Hm. Yes, commissioners.
Tamala Krsna: Commissioner is good, 'cause it's already...
Prabhupada: Use such word.
Tamala Krsna: Use a word that's proper.
Giriraja: Okay.
Tamala Krsna: For now just use one word.
Giriraja: "2) Each temple will be a trust property..."
Prabhupada: Again "trust" word.
Gopala Krsna: Again "ISKCON property."
Giriraja: Okay, we can change that wording.
Prabhupada: Hm.

[PADA: Good, they are trustees, like in a prison there are "trustees," that
means they are not gurus!]

COMPILATION 14: Narayana Maharaja Los Angeles, California - May 31, 2000:
"Never. Srila Swami Maharaja has not instructed like this. Has he said that
we should go to the atheists' university? ... Has Srila Swami Maharaja told
anywhere that you should go to this bad university or that bad university?
What will be the result? Narayana Maharaja December 3, 2001 India: "So many
of those who claim to be disciples of Prabhupada neither have faith in him
nor in nama-bhajana. Rather, they have faith in universities and mayavada
professors. Did Prabhupada tell anyone to learn from mayavadi professors?
How can we accept them as ISKCON devotees? They have no faith in ISKCON and
ISKCON principles."

REFUTATION 14: There are over 500 quotes from Prabhupada's folio like the
ones mentioned below. In these sample quotes, Prabhupada confirms Srila
Maharaja's statements about the degrading influence of mundane university

[PADA: Correct, Narayana Maharaja knew that Tamal and Hrdayananda were
"going to college" and yet he still supported them as gurus, and he said we
were bogus for protesting their college education program. Now he admits he
created an atmosphere of atheism in ISKCON, and NM is responsible because
he supported the "college gurus."]

REFUTATION 15: The compilation is trying to say that Prabhupada authorized
certain ISKCON gurus to attend university and get a PHD. This letter is not
evidence that a real sannyasi or acarya will attend any other university
than the university of Haridasa Thakura. This letter simply encourages a
brand new aspiring devotee, who was already in a university, to become a

[PADA: Correct, so Narayana Maharaja supported bogus college gurus as being
bona fide.]

** [Narayana Maharaja Sri Vraja-Mandala Parikrama, p.46: "So you can see
that the mood of vipralambha is much more complex than possibly the way you
envisioned it to be before. And those who still persist in advocating that
vipralambha is the highest, they do not yet have the spiritual maturity and
understanding to realize that it is not possible for anything to be more
elevated than Srimati Radharani and Krishna's ecstatic loving exchanges in
reuniting again."]

[PADA: Great, when Narayana Maharaja's bogus gopis were "engaged in illicit
sex with men, women and children" he was preaching to them about these
rasika topics, which prompted BV Puri to say that NM is simply a sahajiya.]

REFUTATION 18: There is no contradiction between the statements of Srila
Maharaja and those of Srila Prabhupada.

[PADA: Wrong! NM says so many things that contradict the acharyas, for
example that there is no Kalki avatar, that there is no such thing as
priests, that the soul originates in brahman, he says so many things that
contradict the acharyas!]

** [Prabhupada continues: But now, these sahajiyas, they are going on in
the name of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu: aula, baula, kartta-bhaja, neda,
daravesa, sani sahajiya, sakhibheki, like that, so many. They are

[PADA: How did you guess, many of these sahajiya missions claim you need
their "living gurus," who are often debauchees, just as Narayana Maharaja
says there is nothing wrong when debauchees pose as acharyas.]

** ["The group known as Gaura-nagarai, who are actually oblivious to Lord
Krsna, make a licentious display of sambhoga-rasa. Due to their negligence
of Lord Krsna, they simply create obstacles to the development of
aprakrta-rasa. Those who aspire for sambhoga always endeavor for the
selfish satisfaction of their own senses. Therefore, they are devoid of

[PADA: Good, and it is Narayana Maharaja who is a leader of this idea. He
has promoted "licentuous debauchees" as gurus.]

** [We are ending now because have limited time and space. Every allegation
made by Urmilla's paper has a satisfying refutation. Her claims are in
every case poorly researched and misleading. We will respond with more
answers soon, and if in the meantime anyone has any questions write us at.]

[PADA: Great, now the GBC has deputed a poor woman, Urmila dasi, to combat
their own rasika guru program.] Thanks pd