LORD NRSINGHA SCARES -- Radha and Krishna away?

(More idyoot preaching from Narayana Maharaja)

 

From Pada Newsletter 19. June 2005

NM = Narayana Maharaj


NM: Srila Prabhupada cautioned his followers against seeking divergent instruction. Unfortunately, some devotees did not follow that important instruction and instead became confused and left their spiritual master's society as dissidents. If ISKCON members adhere to the explicit instructions given by the founder-acarya, true gaudiya Vaisnavas will be satisfied.

[PADA: OK, Srila Prabhupada told us, do not consult with the Gaudiya Matha because NONE of them are qualified to be acharyas, such as Narayana Maharaja. And yet the GBC party dissented, they supported Narayana Maharaja (Tamal, Giriraja, etc.). People who supported NM are "dissenters"? Agreed.]

DANAVIR: First Narayan Maharaja said that he was telling something more [different] than what Srila Prabhupada told. Now in contradiction he says that he is non-different from Srila Prabhupada.

[PADA: Good point Danavir, but it was the GBC who said that Narayana Maharaja was their "rasika guru" (who was giving them gopi lila) all along, because Srila Prabhupada had apparently -- not done so. Yet Danavir is correct to say that Narayana Maharaja is contradicting himself by saying: (a) he only follows Srila Prabhupada yet, (b) he is now giving us the higher teachings than Prabhupada gave? So this is a contradiction. And yet PADA has pointed out that both Sridhara and Narayana Maharajas have "contradicted" the entire Vedas, since they endorsed the worship of deviants as "Radha's rasika servants." They have -- insulted, minimized, and degraded the position of guru/ rasika/ gopi lila? And lets not forget that other GBC like Jayapataka called Narayana and Tamal's club "The Gopi Bhava Club" because a sector of the GBC said, none of them are fit for NM's "rasika." So this is another contradiction, if the GBC are acharyas, why are they not qualified to hear "rasika"? Danavir only catches parts of their contradictions.]

DANAVIR: To resolve the two seemingly opposite statements NM proposes that if Srila Prabhupada were present now he would say the same things that NM is saying.

[PADA: Right, Narayana Maharaja has said that his homosexual pedophile guru lineages are bona fide, and "so would Prabhupada." He is attacking Srila Prabhupada.]

DANAVIR: The problem here is that NM says many things which are quite different than what Srila Prabhupada actually said, wrote and did. This leaves us with the choice of putting our trust in a notion of what Srila Prabhupada might have said if he "were here now" or trusting in what Srila Prabhupada actually did instruct. This will become clearer below.

NM: "I want to clarify this for you. If you are doing arati of Krsna and Radha, what is the use of singing to Nrsmhadeva?

[PADA: Because this was the process established by the acharya, he had us sing the Nrsingha prayers to conclude the arati. And now, Narayana Maharaja is attacking the process of worship established by the acharya: Srila Prabhupada. Moreover he is insulting Nrsinghadeva saying, "What is the use of singing to Him"? Yep, it is a waste of time to sing to God! At least, according to NM.]

NM: You should chant the kirtana by Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, by Dina Krsnadasa, and others. Srila Narottama has written, Jaya jaya radha-krsna jugala-milana, and we should chant that.

[PADA: No, Srila Prabhupada did not want us to chant these "more intimate" songs about Krishna. And Prabhupada said it would be sahajiya for us to do that. Again, why has NM been teaching the intimate conjugal love songs to -- the homosexual and pedophile guru sabha?]

NM: Suppose your gurudeva wants you to give him some mahaprasadam preparation, and instead you pour cold water on his hand. What is this? It is nonsense.

[PADA: Hmm, so Srila Prabhupada is "preaching nonsense" according to NM! Of course, if NM finds some nice homosexual pedophiles posing as "Radha's servants," he falls off his chair and starts calling them his poojapadas. NM thinks child buggery lineage is "poojapada," and that child buggers are "Krishna's living successors." Even the most degraded homosexuals in San Francisco never say that pedophiles are "God's living successors," because they have some respect for God.]

NM: Prabhupada gave some concession for the beginners. Now, if you are performing arcana and arati of Radha and Krsna, then you should sing the song of that very Radha-Krsna arati. If you are performing the arati of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, Jaya jaya gauracandra, at that time why should you chant to Nrsmhadeva?

[PADA: Because, the acharyas have ordered us to do that. And worse, Narayana Maharaja's idea that we have to worship deviants as acharyas is not even found in the process of worship "for beginners." There is no "concession" for worship of deviants as acharyas, and NM has been wrong to say that there is.]

NM: ... We give so much honor to Nrsimhadeva, but in the appropriate time and in accordance with His mood. If we are remembering Nrsimhadeva when we are doing arcana of Radha-Krsna, then Radha and Krsna will go away."

[PADA: Great, if we follow the orders of our guru, then Radha and Krishna will run away? Sorry, Narayana Maharaja's worship of pedophile's project caused all of the devotees to run away, and no doubt, Radha and Krishna ran away once they saw Narayana Maharaja endorsing placing photos of pedophiles next to Radha and Krishna on the altars. We should take away the photo of Nrsihghadeva, and place photos of pedophile on the altars, says NM? Radha and Krishna are running away from this NM -- big time!]

Danavir's Response: In all the ISKCON temples I have visited, prayers to Nrsimhadeva are sung after the arati to the main deities (Gaura Nitai or Radha Krishna) is completed. So there does not seem to be a difference of practice on this issue. NM is saying not to sing the Nrsimha prayers during the arati ceremony and devotees of ISKCON do not.

[PADA: But Srila Prabhupada wanted us to sing that after the main kirtan, and that is what NM is attacking here, NM is saying that Srila Prabhupada is bogus because he introduced the worship of Lord Nrsinghadeva as the end part of the arotike.]

DANAVIR: It seems NM does not approve of having a picture of Lord Nrsimhadeva on the altar.

[PADA: Correct. Narayana Maharaja has direct or de facto ordered that ISKCON has to remove the photos of Nrsinghadeva from the altars, and he said what ISKCON then needs to do is: to place the photos of homosexuals, pedophiles and their crew members on the altars AT KRISHNA'S FEET, because NM thinks Krishna is attracted to worship of "illicits sex with men, women and children."]

DANAVIR: On this point we must defer to Srila Prabhupada's superior judgement who wisely invoked the protection of the sankirtana movement by the presence of the half-man half-lion incarnation.

[PADA: Good.]

Danavir: Directive #1: NM strongly objects to the fact that Srila Prabhupada taught his followers to chant the guruvastakam prayers each morning during mangala arati kirtana.

[PADA: Correct. We keep finding that NM "objects" to the teachings of Srila Prabhupada.]

Danavir: Yet it behooves NM to comprehend that the selection was not an oversight by His Divine Grace, nor was it meant to be but a beginners' exercise meant to be later replaced by some other song. His Divine Grace personally chanted the song when he led mangala arati and he emphasized the importance of singing these prayers daily in his classes: Therefore we sing daily, yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasadah. By the mercy of guru, immediately we become, get the mercy of God. Yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasado yasyaprasadan na gatih kuto 'pi. Yasyaprasadat. By... If guru is not satisfied, then na gatih kuto 'pi. He has no gati. Gati means advancement. He has no advancement. Dhyayam stuvams tasya yasas tri-sandhyam. Therefore this GurvasTaka, samsara-davanala, we have to sing. (Lecture by Srila Prabhupada; October 1, 1972)

[PADA: Good point, these prayers were chanted by Srila Prabhupada himself, and that is why NM attacks Srila Prabhupada, since he did this, then he is bogus.]

Danavir: So the samsara davanala-lidha-loka, these eight stanzas of Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura is very important. We sing daily. That's very good. (Lecture by Srila Prabhupada; November, 30, 1976) The guruvastaka stanzas signify more than simply a song to be sung during arati-they express the priceless formula Srila Prabhupada used for spreading Krishna consciousness throughout the world. He wished that his own disciples and future generations of devotees should inherit this unique gift. When an empowered acarya has established a successful practice, why should it be carelessly abandoned?

Directive #2: NM advocates singing the gaura-arati song during sundara arati when the presiding deities in a temple are Lord Caitanya and Nityananda. When the presiding deities within a temple are Radha-Krishna, NM advocates singing a different song glorifying the pastimes of Radha and Krishna such as Jaya jaya Radha-Krsna jugala-milana. ISKCON temples sing the guruvastaka prayers and the Hare Krishna mantra during mangala arati and they worship Lord Caitanya and Nityananda by singing the gaura arati song (jaya jaya gauracander...) and the maha mantra during sundara arati. Even if the presiding deities are Radha-Krishna, there is no rasa bhasa in singing the gaura arati song during sundara arati because Lord Caitanya is Himself the combined form of Radha and Krishna.

[PADA: Wow! Good job Danavir!]

Danavir: (kiba) jaya jaya goracander aratiko sobha/ jahnavi-taTa-vane jaga-mana-lobha/ jaga-jana-mana-lobha/ All glories, all glories to the beautiful arati ceremony of Lord Caitanya. This Gaura-arati is taking place in a grove on the banks of the Jahnavi [Ganges] and is attracting the minds of all living entities in the universe.

Rather than trying to replace Srila Prabhupada's divine arrangements, it would be far more beneficial for the sannyasi to adopt them himself. NM: "We should try to know Srila Swami Maharaja's real mood. In the morning, at the time of mangala-arati, we sing the kirtanas written by Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, Dina Krsna dasa and other acaryas. My Guru Maharaja has written a very good mangala-arati song. Why should we not sing that?"

Response: Understandably NM carries particular preferences for how to worship Krishna, suggesting that the song written by his Guru Maharaja should be sung during mangala arati. However, Srila Prabhupada's real mood has already been revealed in the guruvastaka song of Srila Visvanatha Cakravarty Thakura which he found most pleasing. These eight stanzas establish imperative principles of Vaisnavism regarding the spiritual master, Lord Gauranga's sankirtana movement, elevated deity worship, bhagavata prasadam and the conjugal rasa between Radha and Krsna.

I find it, therefore, unreasonable to assume that Srila Prabhupada would wish his disciples to change the standards which he personally inaugurated and bequeathed to ISKCON. NM: "Your Prabhupada was so kind, and therefore he made some concessions. He did not want to disturb anyone. He considered, "Somehow they should chant, Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna." After that, however, he said, "You should not commit any offense while chanting." After that he told them, "You should chant with a sense of relationship with Krsna." After that there were so many other things he wanted to tell you. He has written it all in his books, but so many were not intelligent to accept all his teachings. They neglected his words. They never honored the mood of their gurudeva, and thus they very quickly fell down. If those who appear to be in good standing are committing offenses, it is understood that they are also falling. They must be fallen. Those who are sincere grhastha-bhaktas or renunciates will be okay. We should therefore try to know the real deep meaning of what Srila Swami Maharaja has written. If they had followed his orders, I think they would never have fallen down. We must go deeply into his teachings."

[PADA: Just see! Narayana Maharaja is saying that the GBC are acharyas, and now he says, acharyas fall down! Srila Prabhupada says that anyone who says that acharyas fall down is -- a resident of NARAKA (hell)! Gurusuh narah matih -- narakah sah. Narayana Maharaja is saying that gurus are ORDINARY men, who fall down.]

 

Narayana Maharaja's bogus siddhanta

Narayana Maharaja: Beware of this rtvik system. Without a self-realized guru you cannot achieve bhakti in thousands of births. This is an established truth. This is siddhanta.

Bhakta Jojo: Why does Narayana Maharaja say that the worship of Srila Prabhupada is bogus, and that by worship of the pure devotees like Srila Prabhupada, one cannot attain liberation?

[PADA: Notice. Narayana Maharaja says that Srila Prabhupada is a bogus and not realized guru? He says worshippers of Srila Prabhupada "will not attain bhakti for thousands of births." And no wonder, because Narayana Maharaja has supported his GBC pal's enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles regime, which he moreover says is conjugal love of God "gopi rasika." Narayana Maharaja thinks worship of child buggers is going to "give us liberation." No, NM's worship of child buggery has caused mass troubles for all of ISKCON, it has not liberated ISKCON or one single soul in ISKCON?

Narayana Maharaja mixes homosexual pedophiles with God's conjugal love exchanges with the gopis and so he is, at least according to BV Puri Maharaja, "worse than the Radha kunda sahajiyas." In other words, even the babaji sahajiyas do not mix homosexual pedophiles with Krishna's conjugal rasika like NM has been doing for the past 40 years.

So, the ritviks worship Srila Prabhupada, and Narayana Maharaja says this is bogus "poison" because Srila Prabhupada is a bogus, non-realized guru, and his worship is "poison." Narayana Maharaja has instead been ordering people to worship his homosexual and pedophile guru pals like Tamal, whom he has claimed are bona fide self-realized "living" gurus. So Narayana Maharaja advocates worship of living pedophiles, whereas the ritviks advocate for worship of the ETERNALLY living pure devotees. Whereas Narayana Maharaja says it is poison to worship a pure devotee like Jesus, rather he says we need to worship homosexuals and pedophiles who are mass molesting the children in our Church as our messiahs. And he says this is vedic "siddhanta." Narayana Maharaja is claiming that the Vedas advocate worshipping homosexual pedophiles as messiahs, and worship of the pure devotees in Krishna's parampara is "poison." This is why Srila Prabhupada says that these veda vada ratas are worse than the average man on the street, since even the man on the street never worships homosexual pedophiles as his messiah like this Narayana Maharaja has advocated. Indeed, even Mr. Snuffles the cat never advocates for worship of deviants as God's successors, since he has vastly superior common sense to the veda vada rata sector. thanks pd]


RE: SRIDHARA MAHARAJA - From STAR LIGHT
audio-taped interview between Sridhara Maharaja and a team of Iskcon GBC members

Dear PADA: I am only interested in knowing the facts. We should understand what Srila Prabhupada has said. Let the truth be known! Dispel the darkness of the demons and let the light of victory shine bright! There is audio-taped evidence (17/10/1980) between Sridhara Maharaja and a team of GBC members in which it is discussed that after Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati passed away a Governing Body of 13 members was created within ten days. The function of this Governing Body was to administer the affairs of the Gaudiya Math. However, because Sridhara Maharaja was not happy with the arrangement he chose not to serve on the Governing Body.

[PADA: Correct. In 1936 Sridhara Maharaja (and Madhava Maharaja and Professor Sannyal) wanted to make their "pet fellow" (Ananta Vasudeva) the guru, and dissolve Srila Sarawati's "managerial body." Yet Ananta Vasudeva had told Sridhara that he had wanted to get married because he still had sex urges, and he did not want to artificially become the "pure devotee" guru of the Gaudiya Matha. Yet Sridhara's team "insisted" that Vasudeva promote himself as a pure guru, and they ordered Vasudeva to forget about getting married and to become the next guru/ messiah of the Gaudiya Matha. The result was: Ananta Vasudeva's guru program deteriorated because his sex desires manifested, indeed he also engaged in homosexual activities. And the subsequent cover-up became a violent cult.

In short, those who exposed Vasudeva's illicit sex problems were "banned, beaten and killed" -- and this was the DIRECT result of Sridhara Maharaja's idea that the Gaudiya Matha needs to worship conditioned souls. Worse, because Sridhara Maharaja had dissolved the "managerial body," there was no infrastructure, program or process available to contain these problems. Sridhara Maharaja had tossed out the (GBC) adminstrative/ managing/ police force, then he installed a criminal as the head of the society. Worse, Sridhara and Narayana said that having a managment body was "ritvik poison," since they wanted a headless society with no managment whatsoever, so that their violent cult could continue unchecked.

Notice, Sridhara Maharaja broke down the "managerial system" (governing body) that was ordered by his guru, and he converted the Gaudya Matha into a violent cult that was worshipping homosexual messiahs. And yet now we find that people like Narayana Maharaja are saying "there was nothing wrong" when Sridhara Maharaja made a violent, homosexual worshipping, and devotee assassinating cult? In other words, the sincere members of the Gaudiya Matha who opposed worshipping a conditioned soul -- who was engaged in illicit sex -- were beaten and killed, and Narayana Maharaja was one of the people who openly endorsed the policy of using violence to support the worship of illicit sex deviants because he says "there was nothing wrong" with that policy. So the sincere people who wanted to worship Srila Saraswati and not Sridhara's homosexual cult were beaten and killed and Narayana Maharaja says "there is nothing wrong with using beatings and murders to suppress the worship of pure devotees. Let's kill the sincere followers of Srila Saraswati who just want to worship their guru." In other words, there was not only "no protest" of the beatings and murders, there were people like Bhagavat Maharaja and Narayana Maharaja who were saying this oppression and murders policy is bona fide, and they still say that even today.

In sum, Sridhara was not happy with the ACTUAL orders of his guru Srila Saraswati Thakura. Thus, right away in 1936, Sridhara "chose not to serve" the order of his guru, and he concocted the worship of a conditioned soul as their messiah. And Srila Prabhupada says "the result was chaos." As for Professor Sannyal, he died shortly after they started this deviation. And Srila Prabhupada says that KRISHNA killed Professor Sannyal for his offense of deviating -- by supporting a false guru. Oddly, Sridhara/ Narayana say that those of us who do not support their worship of deviants programs are -- the offenders? Yet Krishna Himself killed one of the members of Sridhara's group for their collective offense. Srila Prabhupada said that because Professor Sannyal was very dear to Srila Saraswati, Krishna killed him to stop making further offenses, but apparently Sridhara and Madhava were not so much dear to Krishna, because they lived and went on supporting the worship of homosexuals as messiahs for their entire lives. In other words, Sridhara and Narayana are saying Krishna is bogus because He killed one of the supporters of their bogus guru/ Vasudeva project. They say Krishna was wrong to do that because "there is nothing wrong" with their worship of deviants agenda.

Again, this is in writing, since some of the followers of Narayana Maharaja showed PADA where Narayana Maharaja's booklet says that "there was nothing wrong" with their making Vasudeva the guru. Yet, Srila Prabhupada says that because Vasudeva was a bi-sexual and a deviant, there was plenty "wrong" with advertising him as a pure guru? And in 1980, Jadurani (now reinitiated by Narayana Maharaja as Shyamarani) was one of the first people to come out and publicly criticize Sridhara Maharaja for his supporting the GBC's false gurus. Jadurani was handing out a booklet called "The Bona Fide Spiritual Master" wherein she cited quotes from Srila Prabhupada where he says that Sridhara Maharaja DEVIATED by supporting a false guru. Yet now, Jadurani has been brainwashed into endorsing NM's booklet which says that "there is nothing wrong" with their 1936 homosexual's guru project.]

SD: Instead, Sridhara Maharaja and "two associate gentlemen" pushed forward a brahmacari named Ananta Vasudeva to the position of acarya (against the instruction of Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati). It later turned out that this Ananta Vasudeva fell in love with and married one of his disciples. She became a prostitute! And she poisoned their child! Ananta Vasudeva then committed suicide! The chaos and subsequent division in the Gaudiya Math occurred after the falldown (major falldown!) of Ananta Vasudeva.

[PADA: This is all correct. Ananta Vasudeva's child was poisoned to death because he was possibly going to expose that Sridhara's "guru" was married to a prostitute. So we can undersand from this that Sridhara's false guru program is not only harmful to children, it is deadly to children. And Srila Prabhupada told us all about this because he wanted is to know that Sridhara's false guru program was harmful, if not deadly, for children. That is why Srila Prabhupada told us not to consult with Sridhara on these points of siddhanta, because Sridhara is a deviant.]

SD: Ananta Vasudeva, Kunja Babu & Paramananda were the original trustees; they later became part of the Governing Body.

[PADA: Sridhara broke this system apart by delcaring that Ananta Vasudeva was the sole heir acharya of the Gaudiya Matha. So Kunja Babu -- Tirtha then said, why should I not declare myself a guru since Sridhara's guru is engaged in illicit sex? At least I am a better guru that Sridhara's program? And this is what started the legal battle over the properties, Kunja Babu vs. Ananta Vasudeva spent most of the Gaudiya Matha's funds on their expensive lawsuits over "who will be the next acharya."]

SD: The Governing Body consisted of the senior sannyasa disciples. In terms of other appointments, Vinodbihari (Kesava Maharaja) was the General Superintendent and Narayana Dasadhikari (not Narayana Maharaja) was the Committee Secretary. It seems as though these other appointments were made separately from the official Governing Body. Since Sridhara Maharaja was not in favour of the Governing Body, is it fair to say that the "two associate gentlemen" were also not part of the Governing Body? If this is correct, then the other appointments stand out as potential suspects. Are these other two appointments the "two associate gentlemen"? If not then who were the "two associate gentlemen"? Does anyone know of other possible suspects?

[PADA: The deviants who made the false guru were: Sridhara, Madhava and Professor Sannyal.]


THE SRIDHARA MAHARAJA ISSUE

jatayu/ Originally Posted by subal/

If Srila Sridhar Maharaja was such a deviant, then why did Srila Prabhupada house him and his mission in his own home for so many years? And why did he spend so much time with Sridhar Maharaja during those years that he sometimes was tardy in going down to his shop? Why did he tell us in 1973 that during those years he wanted to start a new institution, with Sridhar Maharaja as the head? And why, in March of '77, did he personally invite Sridhar Maharaja to stay at his place in Mayapura so everyone could easily avail themselves of his company? And why, when Srila Prabhupada personally laid all these matters to rest at the end of his pastimes with us, do some immerse themselves in such matters? What a waste of time and energy? If you can't explain how such worry helps you increase your attachment to Krishna, you should resolve to set it aside. Bas.

This is the usual ongoing to drag down simple issues into a complicated back and forth entanglement with no end and determine average readers to run off, never to return. It is that simple, [bona fide] Gaudiya Vaishnavas don't wan't conditioned souls to sit on the vyasasana and mislead society, why endlessly argue on that for 30 years and in the GM for 70 years? People are really fed up and it is more than clear when global newspapers only mention Gaudiyas in context with worst insanity:
30% of present so called Gaudiya Vaishnavas "god-like divine gurus" end up in the nuthouse (latest in-patients: Prithu dasa, Suhotra dasa), the rest of the clique - cos birds of the same feather flock surely together - preaches like only on prescription available sleeping pills and while shedding heartbreaking tears visiting the funeral of the recently died beef eating Pope. Bas.

[PADA: Good point, the Sridhara folks have no actual idea what is pure or impure. For example, over the past 25 years we have asked the Sridhara/ Tripurari/ Narayana Maharaja people, "Are child molesters gurus?" Clearly, they have no idea what is the proper answer. Yet our neighbor's daughter's cat, Mr. Snuffles, he knows the answer already, he never worships homosexual pedophiles as his messiah under any circumstances. And that is why the GBC/ Sridhara/ Tripurari/ Narayana leaders never officially reply to this question to us in writing. We even circulated a questionaire to a bunch of Sridhara and Narayana Maharaja folks up in Badger a few years ago, asking them if child molesters are gurus, and not one of them knew the answer and/or was able to reply. Instead they start drifting off into, well, Sridhara Maharaja is a nice guy, he is friendly to Srila Prabhupada? Fine but, this is not an answer to the question at hand? Why has Sridhara/ Narayana/ Tripurari supported deviants and homosexuals and even pedophiles as Krishna's successor acharyas? Why do their follwers still say we are "poison vomit" because we did not agree to worship homosexual pedophiles as our messiahs along with Sridhara/ Narayana?

And since they start to divert all over the map in their reply, that is how they have kept the child molester infrastrcture intact. And thus all the molesting went on, and on, and on, and on. And that is why there are still molesters in the holy dham, according to some reports. The Sridhara and Narayana people cannot yet come to grips with the fact that homosexuals and pedophiles are not, were not, could not have been, Jesus-like messiahs, God's successors, Krishna's parampara members, etc. That is why, most of the time, when we asked them to support us in saying child molesters are NOT gurus they said, "This is vomit, this is poison, this is evil ritik," and so on. And note, they still say that because they still want to defend their worship of homosexual pedophiles project.

This is why they will not make an official declaration that homosexual pedophiles are NOT Krishna's successors and that the GBC/ Sridhara/ Narayana/ Tripurari clan have been wrong to have endorsed that deviation. Instead they say, since Sridhara/ Narayana and Srila Prabhupada were at one time friendly, therefore, if Sridhara/ Narayana are supporting the worship of homosexual pedophiles as gurus, that is fine with us followers. So that means, they still support the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles, as we said they have supported all along. Look at the state of some of the symptoms of the so-called Sridhara/ Narayana "acharyas" -- they are going mad, they are taking psychotropic drugs, they are getting psychotherapy, they are blaspeming Krishna as bogus, they are dating women who are twenty years their junior, and so on ad infinitum. And Sridhara's successor Sudhir ran off with a woman, one of his Indian successors named Bhaktinandana was alleged to be having sex with a mother and a daughter, and his other successor Tripurari is said to have a young woman, and so on and so forth. Even Sridhara's own guru successors are going the same route as the GBC gurus.]

Jatayu: Simple words, simple to understand, even prison inmates can follow without taxing their brains, why not certain "devotees"? Sri Isopanisad: Quote: Instead, to mislead the people in general they themselves become so-called acaryas, but they do not even follow the principles of the acaryas.These rogues are the most dangerous elements in human society. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gita that envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Bg. 16.19-20). Sri opanis ad confirms that these pseudo religionists are heading toward the most obnoxious place in the universe after the completion of their spiritual master business, which they conduct simply for sense gratification.


Dinanath das - the drivel disciple of Narayana Maharaja

Dinanath wrote: WASTING VALUABLE TIME! AGAIN AND AGAIN, SO LITTLE TIME SO MUCH TO LEARN. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO CATCH PEOPLES INTELLIGENCE FROM THE GAUDIYA FAMILY TRY WRITING SOMETHING USEFULL. DON"T BE A DRIVEL DAS ADHIKARI YOURS.

Thanks Dinanatha. You answered our point exactly and we shall post that in our next newsletter: As soon as we said that child molesters are NOT gurus in 1978, then your Sridhara and Narayana crew said, what is this poison drivel! You are wasting time! Why, we should worship child molesters as ISKCON's acharyas (and this policy molested many of the kids in ISKCON). Notice however that it is not PADA but it is SRILA PRABHUPADA who says that Narayana Maharaja's idea, that we need to worship deviants as gurus/ acharyas/ messiahs, is wrong (i.e. drivel).

And now you confirm: you still think our objecting to NM's (your guru's) child molester worship project is "drivel" -- which is what your Sridhara and NM crew said to us in 1980 as well: our objecting to the GBC/ Sridhara/ NM worship of child molesters project is ... drivel. Thanks, this is what you guys said all along while all the molesting was going on! And that is how you are responsible for all of the child molesting. And now we can report that, you still think our idea that child molesters are not gurus is "drivel" i.e. you are proud of Narayana Maharaja's support of the GBC's child molester messiah cult from 1977-97, where NM said that Tamal (founder of pedophile pooja) is his pooja pada. Thanks, our not worshipping child molesters is "drivel," says NM, still! As for "the Gaudiya family," none of the bona fide acharyas in the Gaudiya family has ever endorsed the worship of pedophiles like Narayana Maharaja has done. ys pd


JENNIFER AND NARAYANA MAHARAJA PREACHING GARBAGE

RE: Narayana Maharaja. I hope the many lifetimes of hell you are creating for yourself are long and heavy, May you never see the lotus feet of a pure devotee. (Jennifer)

[PADA: Umm, what? Sorry Jennifer, but you Narayana Maharaja folks have your facts upside down. Narayana Maharaja backed the GBC as gurus, while they were orchestrating the banning, beating and killing of devotees, and the mass molesting of children. We do not have to "create hell" since the GBC, backed by Narayana Maharaja, has already created hell for all of us. It is not us, it is the worshippers of the GBC's pedophile gurus, and supporters of that vile regime like Narayana Maharaja, who have ALREADY created a "long and heavy hell" for the children of ISKCON.

And worse, Narayana Maharaja said that these pedophiles are: (gopi) rasika, living gurus, "pure devotees" and so on and so forth. So we may or may not see pure devotees anytime soon, but at least we know that homosexual pedophiles are NOT pure devotees. We also know that Narayana Maharaja is wrong to have been targetting such -- deviants -- as "pure devotees." First of all, you NM folks have no idea what is a pure devotee? You think that NM has been correct to target pedophiles as pure devotees. Well, he has not been correct. Pedophiles are not pure devotees, and Narayana Maharaja has been wrong to say that pedophile lineages are pure devotees.]

** may all the gossip and garbage you deliver suffocate you until you are just a bag of bones,,,, waitng and desiring iberation, but no one comes for you.

[PADA: We are not "waiting for liberation," we are already liberated from Narayana Maharaja's idea: that we need to worship pedophiles as messiahs, as he has taught? NM is the person who is "waiting to be liberated" from this misunderstanding, because he still says us non-pedophile worshippers are "poison, vomit." And he still says the founders of pedophile pooja are his "pooja padas." So NM still worships pedophile lineage as his "poojapadas," that means he is not liberated since no bona fide liberated saints have ever worshipped pedophile guru lineages as their endorsed gurus and messiahs, as NM has done. As for supporting pedophile worship being "gossip and garbage," we agree. Narayana Maharaja has taught that we need to worship "living" pedophiles as our messiahs, but almost cent percent of human beings says -- NM is preaching garbage. Agreed. thanks pd]


Srila Prabhupada's Godbrothers DISOBEYED Srila Gurudeva
(by Starlight)

Caution: Never engage in committing offenses to Vaisnavas! All I merely want to do is to establish the FACTS of a letter written by Srila Prabhupada to Rupanuga, dated 28 April 1974. The letter concerns one particular Maharaja and his "two associate gentlemen" not following the instruction of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura that an acarya should not be appointed after his disappearance. This is because the acarya was to be self effulgent and we all now know that it was Srila Prabhupada who emerged as the self-effulgent acarya.

In the letter Srila Prabhupada wrote: "In the latter days of my Guru Maharaja he was very disgusted. Actually, he left this world earlier, otherwise he would have continued to live for more years. Still he requested his disciples to form a strong Governing body for preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. He never recommended anyone to be acarya of the Gaudiya Math. But Sridhara Maharaja is responsible for disobeying this order of Guru Maharaja, and he and others who are already dead unnecessarily thought there must be one acarya. If Guru Maharaja could have seen someone who was qualified at that time to be acarya he would have mentioned. Because on the night before he passed away he talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya. His idea was acarya was not to be nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected. So Sridhara Maharaja and his two associate gentlemen unauthorizedly selected one acarya and later it proved a failure. The result is now everyone is claiming to be acarya even though they may be kanistha adhikari with no ability to preach. In some of the camps, the acarya is being changed three times a year. Therefore we may not commit the same mistake in our ISKCON camp. Actually amongst my godbrothers no one is qualified to become acarya. So it is better not to mix with my godbrothers very intimately because instead of inspiring our students and disciples they may sometimes pollute them."

At http://www.harekrsna.com/philosophy...chools/mela.htm Brahma Das says:

"BD: Here SP is stating that BSST did not authorize the selecting of any one person as Acharya and that SM and two other gentlemen (probably Kesava M and Madhava M) chose a single person as acharya who later fell down."

[PADA: Wrong, it was Sridhara Maharaja, Madhava Maharaja and Professor Sannyal who established the bogus guru of the 1936 Gaudiya Matha. ]

At http://www.chakra.org/discussions/succApr30_05.html Bhagavat das says:

"If Kesava Maharaja had offended Srila Bhaktisiddhanta, why would Prabhupada start a preaching society with him? Why would Prabhupada do editing and writing, "respecting the order of Srila Kesava Maharaja," if he had been offensive to Bhaktisiddhanta? Why would Prabhupada take sannyasa from him and want his picture displayed?"

[PADA: Fine except, Bhagavat dasa then stretches the above out to say that Narayana Maharaja was therefore authorized to endorse the GBC's pedophile worship project. He is mixing apples and oranges, since these two items are not related.]

So it is not very likely that Srila Kesava Maharaja was one of the "associate gentlemen." Examining the original letter we see that the "two associate gentlemen" were "already dead" at the time the letter was written. Srila Bhakti Dayit Madhava Maharaja departed from this world in 1979. The letter was written in 1974. Therefore, Madhava Maharaja was not the other gentleman.

[PADA: Sorry, Madhava Maharaja was indeed one of the deviants who tried to establish the false guru Vasudeva in 1936 along with Sridhara Maharaja.]

The question then is: WHO were the "two associate gentlemen" ? Any ideas?

[PADA: Not only Sridhara but all of the renegade Gaudiyda Matha type cheerleaders for the worship of deviants as gurus assisted the GBC false gurus, as they assisted the 1936 false gurus of the Gaudiya Matha. Sridhara endorsed the GBC as gurus in 1978, NM endorsed them and was pals with Tamal right after 1978 as well, then both Puris endorsed them, and then the child molesters all came and started making webs and nests of molesters all over ISKCON since they too endorsed this homosexual pooja, Boy George said he became a Hare Krishna because they had gay gurus, and the list goes on, all of the deviants endorsed the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexuals as gurus and they said that deviants are not minor league managers, GBC, or priests, but Vishnupadas and gurus. thanks pd]