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*) BADGER BUST
1) QUESTION ABOUT THE POISON TAPE
2) JAYAPATAKA TAPE MINISTRY IS BANKRUPT
3) LOVE CANNOT BE LEGISLATED
4) PADA's EXCERPTS AND COMMENTS From: "Adri" (re: sahajiya-ism)
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BADGER BUST
According to a report, a business (?) operated by Bhakta dasa (Bangkok,
Thailand) has been raided by Federal Agents, such as the US Marshalls
and/or the FBI. This business is operated in Badger, California. And an
employee and his son were present when the alleged bust took place. The son
was let go later, since he was found to be not implicated. Was not this
same businessman, Mr. Bhakta dasa, busted before for selling a drug mix
chemical?
Did or did not Mr. Bhakta dasa know that his employees were at risk for
selling another illegal substance? If he knew, then is Bhakta going to come
to America and tell the court that he is responsible since he knew from a
previous bust that this was illegal? Or just exactly what is the scoop
here? Bhakta dasa wrote us a few letters telling us to avoid politics and
join him with the (rasika?) Gaudiya Matha crew, so, if this report is true,
is letting your friends down part of rasika? Or what exactly is this?
And wasn't the Berkeley farm raided by Federal agents, linking them to
other ISKCON sites? And wasn't the New Vrindavana farm busted by Federal
agents, linking this to other ISKCON sites? And wasn't the Mississipi farm
business of Jayapataka's crew busted by Federal agents, linking this to
other ISKCON sites? And was Bhakta selling whatever it was to any devotees,
potentially linking this activity to even more ISKCON sites? And is it not
possible that if all this continues, then Federal agents will jointly bust
many temples or farms at once and shut their whole show down? Or what?
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1) QUESTION ABOUT THE POISON TAPE:
"All other audio forensic engineers only
had 4th generation copies of audio tapes from which they worked." Why?
This
"fourth generation tape" seems to be the tape that pada had sent to
Naveen
Krishna in 1997? Why was that tape the only one that was made available to
Balavanta? Why was he not given access to the master copies in the archives
right from the start? Talk about suppressing the evidence? Is pada the
source of the taped evidence in the GBC's investigation?
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2) JAYAPATAKA TAPE MINISTRY IS BANKRUPT
[PADA: See related item below by Adridharana about samadhi funds being
stolen by JPS gangsters.]
From: "Madhusudani Radha (dd) JPS (Mill Valley, CA - USA)"
To: "JPSEM (Jayapataka Swami Electronic Ministry)"
Subject: JPSEM Today
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 00 00:13 -0800
If it does not go well I will have to file a bankruptcy where I do not
require to have an income, but the downside is that all the assets will be
seized and auctioned off to pay the creditors.
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3) LOVE CANNOT BE LEGISLATED
From:
Subject: A History of Blaming Anyone but me
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 00 14:57 -0800
Madhusudhani Radha wrote:
Right. It all depends on how we speak up. Before mistakes can be corrected
and new protective procedures put into place, we have to become *aware* of
what is wrong.
[PADA: And what is wrong is that the GBC has an ongoing policy which
exploits people, harasses people, character assassinates people, embezzles
from people, molests people, bans people, beats people, and assassinates
people. That is their sordid history, especially since 1977. Therefore they
are not trusted, and trust comes before love, so therefore until this
policy changes, few if any will go back to ISKCON and more people will
leave, as is occuring.
For example, in Los Angeles, Ian prabhu was a nice new guy. Intelligent.
Just the kind of guy you do not want in a violent GBC thug cult. So he was
beaten up at the Sunday feast by Bhagavat Kripa, a disciple of Jayapataka,
in front of many people. Ian was even bleeding severely into his plate of
prasad. And thus a few of the Americans brave enough to come to the feast
came out and told me "we are never coming back here again ever."
Then when the police came, ten of the GBC's LA thugs came out and said that
Ian had started it, when in fact Vaidraja had tried to stop Bhagavat from
jumping over him to attack Ian. So not only did they beat him up, they
wanted him to have a felony arrest on his record so he could not get a good
job. So who is going to come and join this?
Of course these GBC "Latino thugs at the temple" are not real LA
gang
members. I was friendly with some real bona fide 14th street gang style
Latinos, who were my Cadillac Street neighbors, and had I told them that
the Watseka temple leaders had compared a known homosexual pedophile to
Jesus, they would have been as angry as fire. Indeed many of them have a
picture of Jesus tattooed on their body. They LOVE Jesus, depite their
other flaws. So these LA GBC thugs seem to be there mainly to get their
green immigration card, and they just do whatever Jayapataka orders. Just
like the GBC's audio tape man Deva Gaura Hari, he is paid up to hear three
different words other than poison, they are all paid for goons.]
MDR: We have to understand what was done and how it could have been avoided
and we have to feel free to discuss both the problems and alternative
methods with others who care and who have expertise.
[PADA: Well, for starters, those of us who objected to Jayapataka's program
of enforcing the worship of his homsexual pals have been systematically
banned, beaten if not killed. This is the first problem which you types of
folks keep avoiding, we have a violent cult atmosphere here. And as such,
"communication" and "problem resolving" are diffcult (no
duh!) if not
impossible in such violent forms of cults.
For example, people who complained about Jim Jones in Guyana got a bullet
in the forehead, since "no dissenting views" were allowed. The "absolute
guru status" of the GBC is causing a great impasse, as it did in the
post-1930s Gaudiya Matha where "dissenters" were banned, beat and
killed.
This is also what occured in the Medieval times, remember?, "the
inquisition for not following the absolute rule of Rome"?]
MDR: In child rearing, parents and teachers are often advised to focus on
the *behaviors* that need changing, rather than make negative attributions
to the children themselves (e.g. "it's wrong to hit another person",
rather
than "you're a bad person for hitting him/her").
[PADA: Well, bad behavior comes from bad people? Yet the GBC, Gaudiya Matha
renegades and Narayana Maharaja have endorsed that bad behavior comes from
our parampara and its acharyas? So if the bad person is simultaneously:
the acharya, how can he be criticized? Shastra says we should never
criticize the acharyas. So there is a violent cult mood and almost no scope
for criticism, without severe fanatical backlash, what to speak of
rectification. Or at best, rectification is very, very dangerous, even life
threatening, as we have personally experienced in getting so many death
threats, death glares, or worse, our associates have been beaten up or
murdered etc.]
MDR: I don't know if that's possible to apply here, but it might be worth a
shot. If we could simply focus on the behaviors that have led to neglect
and abuse, rather than attribute bad intent to those who did it, we may
avoid some offenses.
[PADA: Yep, we must not speak up and "offend the guru." No wonder
these
ills have gone on ad infinitum. There is this de facto code of silence.]
MDR: I think that's what the cow protection ministry tried to do in their
guidelines that were approved last year (although sadly enough, not
implemented).
[PADA: So that means that merely passing legislation has not worked. For
example, Saddam Hussein may pass legislation that all of the citizens
should get proper medical care, but then he spends billions of his
country's oil revenue on himself and his jet-set henchmen. The people still
get nothing. If you have not got "good people" to implement the "good
policy," then what is the use?
You have to attract good people, then they will expand the good behavior
automatically. For example, in the regular Church down the street, they do
not need a big commitee with complex rules about not harassing, banning,
molesting, beating up or killing other members etc. They have good people
so these things do not occur.
This will never happen with a GBC goonda operated green card business of
importing folks from Bengal, South America or Ukraine etc. who just want a
green card, and they sit on the sidewalk threatening to beat people up? As
occurs in GBC land?
Or as we experienced the GBC faithful are doing the "East LA coyote circle"
around folks like us (from which we are told we are lucky to have survived
after being inside). Or they lay under the store's stairways to look up
ladies skirts who are going up to the store. Or they are pinching the
ladies behinds in the kitchen as has occured? You cannot attract any good
people with this atmosphere. And don't forget their cow selling crew and so
on. That means they do not want good people, they want corrupt people who
will allow their exploiting and bogus pooja to go on.]
MDR: Of course, this does not mean that abusive and negligent individuals
should simply be allowed to continue what they're doing. The abuse has to
be stopped, but maybe we don't have to label them as bad people. Maybe they
are, maybe they aren't. That's not really up to us anyway and labeling them
as such won't necessarily stop the abuse.
[PADA: The abuse will continue as long as the abusive leaders are in
charge, and their like-minded hechmen continue.]
MDR: There is a difference between labelling someone as bad and trying "to
understand what was done and how it could have been avoided and to feel
free to discuss both the problems and alternative methods with others who
care and who have expertise."
[PADA: People with expertise know the present system is dysfunctional. In
fact, the Los Angeles police said Watseka is the most dysfunctional area on
their beat. Many LA devotees laughed when they heard that, but others know
it is true.]
MDR: Plus, we are not dealing with children, we are dealing with adults.
Not just adults, but devotees; not just devotees but leaders. Straightforward
speech
is always appreciated in an assembly of devotees or honest men. Not just
"bad" behaviour, but the underlying mentality behind it, the motivation
and
so on, have to be examined, or else our solution will be like "blowing
on a boil"
[PADA: Well, you confuted yourself and shot yourself in the foot. 1) We
must appreciate honesty, 2) yet we cannot really honestly say that these
GBC have bad intent (but why else are they so bad?) and 3) unless we point
out the bad intent we are making no progress. This is contrary.]
MDR: This is all part and parcel of identifying our anarthas - we may
glorify our success - the bhakti creeper - but the growth of such is
stunted if it does not also aim at pulling out the weeds, and all our
progress will be illusory and external. We will not progress toward genuine
Krsna consciousness, although we may think we are.
[PADA: So, now you are saying we have to fix up the leaders, who are gurus,
and these gurus have anarthas. No, the bona fide gurus do not have anarthas.]
MD: No one is saying that our leaders are bad, but they are conditioned
souls like the rest of us, and should be held accountable when they show a
lack of concern for their dependents - cows, children or whoever. This is
the litmus test of good leadership - Lord Rama held himself accountable to
the opinion of a washerman. Sibi gave his flesh to stop the suffering of a
dependent. Of course we can't imitate, but at least we can follow the mood
of concern and learn from these examples and expect our leaders to do the same.
[PADA: Well, now you admit, our GBC's acharyas are conditioned souls just
like us. So why are they saying that they are acharyas?]
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4) EXCERPTS AND COMMENTS From: "Adri"
AD: ...Recently Sivarama Swami offered his resignation from the GBC under
the guise of claiming that he was offended by how Srila Prabhupada was
being minimised on an internet com forum by other ISKCON devotees -- yet --
this is the man who happily sought 'higher gopi bhava' from Narayana
Maharaja for many years since he felt he could not get it directly from
Srila Prabhupada, and through this activity inspired many others in the
same faithlessness. So bogus was his behaviour that even the GBC suspended
him for it!!
[PADA: Good point. There was a big fight in the GBC around 1993 when they
wanted to actually boot out the Narayana Maharaja "gopi bhava classes club
members" like Sivarama and Tamal. However, Gaura Govinda swami stood up
at
this time and said we need Tamal, so let us save him, and let us continue
his worship as the acharya of ISKCON. Then people wonder why these clowns
like Tamal stay in office so long, when folks like Gaura Govinda come to
their aid over and over?]
AD: This is the man who happily supported the zonal acarya system for years
that totally eclipsed Srila Prabhupada for nearly ten years. This is the
man who was sent by Bhagavan to New Vrindavan to stop the North American
TP's uprising that led to the disbanding of that bogus system. Of course he
failed in his mission.
[PADA: And lead to continuing of Kirtanananda's "little boys club"
vyasasana spectre, Sulochana getting assassinated, and me almost getting
same, but we were only saved by the FBI intervention and so on. In sum
Sivarama has supported the violent zombie-ism all along, no wonder since he
is Tamal's best pal.]
AD: This (Sivarama) is the man who promotes his own books through Srila
Prabhupada's BBT. This is the man who ruthlessly bans anyone he can who
wants Srila Prabhupada put back as ISKCON's sole initiator. However maybe
he was now turning over a new leaf and learning to appreciate Srila
Prabhupada? Unfortunately no - for as we will see, this expression of
sudden 'concern' at Srila Prabhupada's 'minimisation' was nothing but
'crocodile tears'. For recently he sent this message of support for
Tripurari Maharaja's newsletter, 'Sanga': "Just a short note of
appreciation for the Sanga excerpts. Thank you." - Sivarama Swami
Tripurari Swami, through his 'Sanga' newsletter, systematically promotes
teachings outside of, and different to, Srila Prabhupada's teachings. He
gives Gaudiya Matha figures like Sridhar Maharaja (whom Srila Prabhupada
labelled a 'serious offender' for breaking up the entire Gaudiya Matha)
equal status with Srila Prabhupada. Even the GBC preach against going to
the Gaudiya Matha, and here Sivarama praises one of their biggest
promoters. However the most horrifying thing is that he is not alone in
relishing such minimisation of Srila Prabhupada, for some of the most
senior leaders in ISKCON all seem to love this bogus newsletter, including
this year's retiring GBC chairman, and current GBC Executive Committee
'ex-officio' member, Bir Krishna Goswami: "I really appreciated this last
epistle. Please keep them coming."
- B i r K r i s h n a G o s w a m i
"I just wanted to thank you for sending me 'Sanga'. HH Sivaram Swami was
hopeful that you could send him 'Sanga' as well. I pray that all your
endeavours will meet with success." - B.B. G o v i n d a S w a m i
Tripurari Swami is so off he thinks he was ordered by Srila Prabhupada to
write another commentary on the Bhagavad Gita according to the present
time, place and circumstance: "Looking back at that spring morning in Los
Angeles's Cheviot Hills, I felt that my life would be incomplete if I did
not author an edition of Bhagavad - gita in contemporary language." (S
a n
g a, Wednesday, February 16, 2000)
Even the GBC have not gone that far - YET!
[PADA: Well, Kirtanananda wanted to write his own Gita.]
AD: He is (Tripurari swami) very proud of his own writing too: "I do highly
recommend my own books." (Sanga, Sunday, August 22, 1999). Apart from his
own books, he prefers other previous acarya's writings (pada: and his own
spurious translations) to Srila Prabhupada's, as this question and answer
session reveals: "My question is, why did you overlook the entire written
work of our Spiritual Master Srila Prabhupada and only mention the works of
Srila Rupa Gosvami, Srila Jiva Gosvami and your own book? ANSWER: Jiva
Goswami is my favorite writer at this time." (Sanga, Sunday, August 22,
1999)
Nor does he teach the same as Srila Prabhupada. Here are just a few
excerpts from his 'question and answer' sessions in 'Sanga'. Please judge
for yourselves: "Q. Recently I had an online discussion with a follower
of
Radha Rama Caran Das Babaji. He argued that 'bhaja nitai gaura radhe shyam,
japa hare krishna hare rama' is a bona fide bhajana and he rejected the
criticism of the followers of Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura. He said
this is not a mantra but a bhajana meant for kirtana and that there is no
law against making new bhajans. He also argued that the Hare Krsna mantra
is meant only for japa citing that there is not a single instance in any
Caitanya biography where the Hare Krsna maha-mantra is sung with khol and
kartals.
A. You must realize that great persons sometimes differ. Both
Bhaktisiddhanta and Caran dasa Babaji are great persons, certainly in the
sense that they each had a powerful influence on a great number of people,
and inspired them to chant Krsna's holy name. So both should be shown some
respect, at least from a distance, relevant to which group one is
affiliated with. This is common courtesy, and more it is mandated by Rupa
Goswami himself." (Sanga, 12th January, 2000)
AD: Even though Srila Prabhupada condemned the chanters of 'nitai gaura
Radhe Syama' as sahajiyas who chant 'chara kirtan', concocted kirtan,
'Sanga' glorifies one of their main proponents Caran das Babaji and Srila
Bhaktissidhanta as practically on an equal footing. Why are our GBC men
sympathetic rather than outraged at such an accommodating comparison
between Srila Bhaktisiddhanta and a sahajiya? Tripurari carries on with his
minimisation of Srila Prabhupada's instructions:
"Q. Once you said that you didn't consider Harinama to be an effective
preaching tool at present in the West. Why is that?
A. This was in reference to chanting on the streets." (Sanga, Wednesday,
January 12, 2000)
AD: So according to Triparari we should stop all Harinam. When did Srila
Prabhupada ever teach that Harinama was not an 'effective preaching tool' -
or that it should be stopped if ever we thought that it ceased to be
'effective'?
[PADA: Good point. The Gaudiya Matha folks had very little public
samkirtana in India, and in San Franscisco they are famous for selling
trinkets on the wharf.]
AD: Someone, who is obviously having difficulty chanting sixteen rounds a
day, asks 'Sanga' a question about counting rounds:
"Q. I find it a huge burden to count rounds yet I readily chant either
aloud or in my mind throughout the day. Why is it so important to chant a
prescribed number of rounds daily?
A. Counting is maya. Maya means to measure. Under the influence of maya we
try to measure everything and bring it within our grasp. The finite tries
in this way to capture the infinite. This is futile. So we are not to
count, but to chant, and chant always, 'kirtaniyah sada harih." ('Sanga',
11th February, 2000)
AD: Where did Srila Prabhupada ever teach that counting was Maya? Tripurari
also thinks that the stories of the Bhagavatam could be imaginative poetry,
rather than as historic fact:
"Q. You once said that sometimes poetic descriptions are used in the
Bhagavatam. For example, a man with a thousand arms may be a poetic way of
describing a big person. How should we approach the sacred literatures:
literally or symbolically?
A. How can a book of poetry be without this? We should try to find the
philosophical message in each episode of the Bhagavata first. Later we may
live in the poetic Bhagavata world. For preaching it is important to focus
on the tattva of the treatise. [...] At the same time one has to think that
the poet sees that which he describes, for he lives in that conceptual
world." (Sanga, Sunday, December 19, 1999)
[PADA: Hmmm! Sounds like Satsvarupa who says he has to battle constantly
with the idea that Krishna is a myth.]
AD: So Srila Vyasadeva was actually a poet given to fanciful descriptions
of his own 'conceptual world'? And in this vein the 'Sanga' newsletters carry
on
and on, discussing for instance, Sridhara Maharaja's explanations of how
Radharani may ask Krishna to have devotees change their rasa's etc. etc.
Clearly the 'Gopi Bhava' days of Tamal Krishna and his crew are not behind
us. It seems that the desire to go 'beyond' and outside of Srila
Prabhupada's teachings is deeply rooted in ISKCON's leaders as long as
their desire to remain as bogus gurus remains deeply rooted.
What is interesting is that Sivarama Swami and Bir Krishna Goswami were on
the OPPOSITE sides of the debate over the 'minimisation' of Srila
Prabhupada that was going on via the internet recently. Yet as we see
above, as long as one supports the usurping of Srila Prabhupada's position
as ISKCON's only Diksa guru, one will always actually be on the side of
MINIMISING Srila Prabhupada, for to have removed Srila Prabhupada as
ISKCON's Diksa Guru, is ultimately the greatest minimisation of Srila
Prabhupada that one can perform.
[PADA: Good points.]
2. Srila Prabhupada's Samadhi Funds Raided
[PADA: Oh oh, now we get to the real issue.]
AD: Srila Prabhupada's puspa samadhi in Mayapur has just suffered the
resignation of its long-serving and very able manager, Uttama Sloka Das.
Under his stewardship, the samadhi was well managed, attracted many
visitors, and built up a healthy cash surplus to keep the samadhi
maintained, and carry out much needed repairs. This cash amounted to almost
$100,000, and was needed urgently for repairs to the samadhi. Indeed this
money came from well-wishers who go to Mayapur and donate the money
specifically for the upkeep of the samadhi. However due to constant
mismangement by the Mayapur authorities under the direction of the HH
Jayapataka Swami, the Mayapur temple was facing financial difficulties.
Thus the Mayapur authorities have decided to mis-appropriate the money that
was kept specifically in a separate account for the samadhi. This act of
daylight robbery is what has led to the resignation of Uttama Sloka. Please
note that the samadhi attracts many visitors of all different political
persuasions, attracted simply by Srila Prabhupada. They naturally thought
that their donations would go directly to the upkeep of Srila Prabhupada's
samadhi, and gave it for that purpose. They did not expect that Jayapataka
and his men would take the money as soon as they needed it. This
mis-appropriation of funds and the attached negative publicity, comes at the
worst possible time for Mayapur, just as they are trying to revive the
Mayapur project and embark on a major fund-raising campaign specifically
for the Mayapur 'Temple of Understanding' and Planetarium.
[PADA: Kirtanananda was also making a temple of understanding, and that is
where he got whacked over the head with a pipe for halting the guru rubber
stamp of one of his clones.]
AD: It is clear that contrary to whatever may appear to be the case,
whenever Jayapataka and his men deem it necessary, any funds given to
another project can be taken by them simply to pay for the general upkeep
of the Mayapur temple, with its
many associated salaries for Householders like Hari Sauri etc etc.
[PADA: This is why Hari Sauri supported homosexual gurus all along, he was
on their payroll?]
AD: It also raises the question as to how widespread such activity is
throughout the rest of ISKCON.
[PADA: Well, why is ISKCON collecting money for cows and then sending them
to slaughter. Yes, this fraud is widespread.]
AD: Devotees therefore will now be on their guard about giving money to ANY
ISKCON project, since if money can be taken from Srila Prabhupada's samadhi
- it can be taken from anywhere.
[PADA: The samadhi fund was in doubt for years together, it is just being
now more prominent of a case since Mayapura is getting hit with donations
slacking off.]
AD: YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. We will keep you updated with the ramifications
of this scandal, whose implications stretch far beyond Mayapur. The IRM
will also make sure that the exact details of this scandal will be made
available to every ISKCON
congregation that donates funds to any ISKCON project. This should make
Jayapataka and his men think twice before they try and take money not
intended for them. Thank you for taking the time to read this newsletter,
and please keep your letters, and e-mail addresses of other devotees who
should be added to our list, flowing in. A hard copy of our main position
paper 'The Final Order' is available on request.
Your Servant, Adridharan das
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SITES TO CHECK OUT:
*
http://www.prabhupada.cc
Prabhupada samkirtana site
* http://mitglied.lycos.de/pada (Pada's Newsletter Archive)
*
http://www.krishna.org/ (S.P.
REAL AUDIO download)
* http://members.xoom.com/manvantar/index.htm (Sulochana's Homepage)
* http://www.vedabase.com/ (Vedabase)
* http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/das/articles.htm (DAS)
* http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/padaweb/puranjan.html (Puranjana's Site)
* POISON TAPE audio and pada newsletters:
* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933
* POISON TRANSCRIPT
* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/19990519.htm
* http://www.winink.com/tkg/ (Tamal Krishna)
* http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc (The GBC)
* gbc_108@hotmail.com (e-mail)
* http://pages.infinit.net/pragosh/home.html (FRENCH)
* http://www.unlimited-resources.com/anubhavananda.html
* http://www.irg.zetnet.co.uk/ (IRG)
* http://www.come.to/irm (IRM)
* http://members.aol.com/gauridas (Gauridasa Pandita Dasa)
* http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/5708/ (SPANISH)
* http://www.com.org/hb/ptd/cyber_gurukula.htm) (Cyber
gurukula)
* http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/ (Rocana's site)
* http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/poison/poison.htm (Poison issue)
* Vipramukhya and Jayadvaita's "illicit sex guru" rationalizations
* http://www.artnet.net/~yasoda/index.htm [appointment tape fraud]
* http://www.gaura-nitai.net Gaura-Nitais Homepage Deutsch
* http://www.vnn.org/ (VNN news)
* ISKCON WOMEN-PRABHUPADA'S
TIME (by Jyotirmayi Devi Dasi)
* Polygamy
In The Hare Krishna Movement (Pritha's Page)