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HARIKESHA IMBROGLIO (from LD)

Dear Pada,

(Please don't publish all of this - it's way too much. You can give me a personal answer, or just publish a few excerpts of this if you want - either way is fine with me.)

I've been hesitating to ask you anything again, since you went off like a thunderbolt the last time. Listen; I am not a follower of Harikesha anymore (I took my two initiations from him back in the 80:s), nor do I defend any actions he or other leaders in ISKCON have taken that is of a violent or abusive nature, directly or indirectly, be it physical or mental. I also agree with you that these people never should have become leaders "as good as God" in the first place.

When I asked you about Harikesha, I was hoping you could shed some more light over things that had (or had not) happened. But I felt that you were just jumping at my throat - for no good reason at all - and treating my like a fool (although you don't know me at all) and that made me feel hurt and angry.

I think it is very important to have an open discussion about the problems in ISKCON, but if you want people to listen and take you seriously, then please refrain from these emotional outbursts. It becomes very difficult to separate the actual facts from the emotions. I do understand your anger. I'm angry myself. Anger is good and can be productive if it inspires you to do something positive about a negative situation. (Which is what I believe that you're trying to do.) But there's no need to be aggressive and furthermore: the namecalling and mud throwing works directly against your good intentions. It pushes people away from the important issues you're addressing (especially when you're repeating yourself over and over again). Believe me: We understand your opinions quite well without this kind of unnecessary comments.

[PADA: Well, it is hard for me to judge what is going on, perhaps as you say, due to my emtional baggage, anger and so on. However, we have repeated the slogans "child molester gurus," "b-tt buster gurus," etc. about 10,000 times, 20,000 times, 30,000 times, until finally, there was a reaction, namely a lawsuit that will finally begin to deal with this issue (albeit a teeny fraction of what needs to be dealt with).

So, we are repeating things sometimes because we feel that there has not yet been an appropriate response. I think the current response with the lawsuit is a good start. So we don't know always how to gauge things? Sometimes people write to us and say that "everyone" agrees with pada, and that all the devotees are behind us, then we will get another letter saying we are like the lone wolf in the dark and "everyone" dislikes us? In any event, this has been an emotional roller coaster for us, agreed. Overall, we feel good, and we think this cleaning house is needed and that it has finally started with more effective means.]

LD: OF COURSE your opinions, your experiences and your knowledge about other devotees experiences are valuable and matters - and OF COURSE you should make commentaries - I'm just humbly asking you to stick to the facts and put less of angry emotions into your comments, ok?

[PADA: OK, I'll try.]

LD: I'd like to comment some of the things you wrote. Some things I agree with but some things you claimed about Harikesha does go against my own experience of him - and also against the things I've heard from other devotees. I'm quite open to the possibility that you are right, but I need to know more specifically what you're basing your information on, ok?

You wrote: "In short, Harikesha was never meant to: Take the karma of thousands of disciples; Be worshipped as good as God; Violently kick out thousands of his brothers who disagreed; Threaten us, ban us, beat us and kill us, etc. He never had any authority to treat Srila Prabhupada's followers like this, not even one of us, what to speak of thousands of us. "

I agree with you that it was terribly wrong of him to throw out, and ban devotees from ISKCON. I was personally very close to some of the devotees who suddenly were not welcome and were not to be spoken to or about. I couldn't understand or accept it at the time. We were not given any explanation at all. So when I started to ask these "uncomfortable" questions, I was severely reprimanded by the "authorities" - mainly by the BBT administrator, Madhavapuri (I was working in the BBT), just for asking the questions.

[PADA: OK, so you answered your own apparent question: "Is Harikesha implicated in supporting corruption"? Yes, just see from your own example. He will not only attack us, but even his own dedicated freinds as soon as they "ask questions." So we asked, "Why has the GBC (and Harikesha) become a cult enforced ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles (as good as God) project," and we were treated just like you were. Repression. So, that means there is a worldwide criminal conspiracy effort to protect deviations, even, homosexual pedophile's worship... which by the way, molested maybe 1,000 children.]

LD: I almost left ISKCON when this happened the first time, but my close friend (one of those Prabhupadas disciples who were banned because her husband was banned) urged me to stay with Harikesha, since he after all was my guru...

[PADA: Well that means this woman friend of yours is implicated in supporting the leaders of the mass molestation regime as "gurus." "Krishna's successors" support the worship of homosex with children? This is ridiculous --and no small amount of offensive. Your woman friend said that a person who is a big leader of the "cult enforced ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles (as good as God) project" is your "guru," and that means he is by definition "as good as Krishna." So, someone who supports homosex with children in the parampara is --a guru? This woman is guilty of supporting this molester worship project, so she is not a friend, she is your worst enemy. And she is also the enemy of children all over the universe.]

LD: The next time I experienced this was when Devamrita Swami was banned. He had helped me through some hard times and I respected him tremendously. But that time I didn't ask the questions. I knew I would never get a real answer anyway. And I was still convinced that Harikesha was a pure devotee. Of course the feelings of love and worship I had for him also made it impossible for me to "see" that he could be wrong in any way. Love is such a powerful way to manipulate people - much more effective than fear. I have however never heard before that Harikesha actually did beat or kill anyone.

How do you know this? Who did this happen to? Did you talk to anyone who can bear witness about this? Or are you referring to the GBC in general, and his influence in the GBC? Please specify your information. (I have doubts about his actual influence in the GBC, since all the GBC members act as independent "popes" and do whatever they want most of the time.)

[PADA: Harikesha was a GBC. And it is a well known fact that GBC members have orchestrated molesatations, bannings, beatings, and murders. Harikesh is one of them, so he is responsible as well. It is just like, suppose I am the local "God father" for the MAFIA. Then, when I am arrested for accessory to murder, I can say, "I never pulled the trigger." So what? You were a leading God father of that organization. You also knew that the other Mafia members were involved in crimes yet you protected them. So, you are still guilty.]

LD: You also wrote: "First of all, Harikesha kicked out many of the good teachers that were installed by Srila Prabhupada up to 1978 such as Dr. Sharma. Then, he installed a bunch of his personal homosexual friends as the gurus for these children. He never bought the children anything for their good that I know of? He did buy some goondas to chase away those of us who are not homosexual pedophile worshippers? How does that help the children? Harikesha has goons, armed with clubs if not guns, and they are banning, beating and killing those of us who disagree with his enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles program. OK, so how does that help anyone? " These are very serious accusations. I know that Harikesha considered Kirtanananda to be a close friend - is that one of those you are referring to?

[PADA: Harikesha supported the whole "cult enforced ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles (as good as God) regime," and Kirtanananda was merely one of them. Kirtananada was one of the Generals in their army. Yet Harikesha supported ALL of them, for example Bhavananda was also a guru in Mayapura and he too was a homosexual pedophile. Other GBC were deviants on other levels. So, Harikesha said these deviants are gurus like Krishna. That means he thinks Krishna is bogus like his friends. Just like if I say, "A bucket of dog stools is like Krishna," then that means I am a demon of the worst order. Of course Harikesha is a way worse than that because he says that something vastly worse than a bucket of dog stools is his idea of guru: homosexual pedophile devotee murderer regimes. Guru poisoner regimes. His regime can cause molestation and death. So Harikesha's plan is way worse than worship of a bucket of dog stools, because he can get people banned, beat, molested and killed, whereas a bucket of dog stools is saintly and harmless in comparison.]

LD: It was quite obvious to me that Harikesha looked up to Kirtanananda and from what I've heard about their relationship I would think that Kirtanananda manipulated him, but that's only my own theory. (It was when I found out about the disgusting things Kirtanananda had done, as well as some other stuff, that I realized that Harikesha wasn't a pure devotee...)

[PADA: Well yes, obviously Harikesha looked up to Kirtanananda. And in 1970 someone said to me "Queer-tan-anda" (i.e. he has homosexual tendencies). Yet Harikesha said this Queer-tan-anda is equal to God in 1977. How is that? Everyone knew that the GBC had tendencies to deviate, including other instances where Kirtanananda severely violated Srila Prabhupada, so why did Harikesha say that those with tendencies for violating Srila Prabhupada are his idea of pure devotees? Prabhupada's successors? And with known homosexual tendencies to boot? If I said that Donald Duck is the successor to the USA Supreme Court, that would be an offense to the court. That would be an insult to the court. Yet something a million times worse than Donald Duck, homosexual pedophiles, are the successors to --God?]

LD: I'm not suggesting that Harikesha is completely innocent here - not at all! But I think there's more to the story, that there were things going on that Harikesha didn't know about.

[PADA: He knew very well that ALL ALONG from early 1970s that some GBCs and sannyasis were having illicit sex, taking drugs, eating meat, and so on, because there were numerous exposes of this all along. He knew better than the rest of us that the GBC as a class were more like deviants than gurus.]

LD: When I was a devotee, Harikesha made a 6 hour long video, that we all watched. It was about how Varnasrama Dharma was to be practiced in ISKCON and in the whole world "in the future". In this lecture he said that the GBC in the future would function as the UN - AND have their own army. I know that some gurus created their own army (Kirtanananda and Hamsadutta for sure, maybe some of the others too, but I haven't found any more information about that than a few rumours) - but I have never heard before that Harikesha actually created his own army, and that this army would beat and kill devotees.

[PADA: Yes, we will have varnasrama in the future, meanwhile, we have to worship homosexual pedophile guru regimes. What a nonsense. Harikesha supported the leaders of the other's armies. So it does not matter if he did not have his own army, his friends armies would protect him, just like in Krishna book it says that the armies of the demons would help each other.]

LD: Again I would be grateful for any specific and real situations or facts that you're basing this information upon - besides him just talking about GBC having an army in the future. You say that Harikesha deliberately choose homosexual and abusive teachers for the children, and that's when the problems started. Well, he is not a homosexual, nor a pedophile himself, so why would he defend such people?

[PADA: Prabhupada says that when a man poses as guru and has sex with a female follower it is exactly like a man having sex with his own daughter. Pedophilia. So, Harikesha is a pedophile. Of course it does nor matter, he supported pedophile worship. So that is what he worships, nevermind if he does it or not. People also worshipped Ravana. They could not act like he did, but they worshipped that anyway. You are (or you become) what you worship says Bhagavad Gita. So, if you worship demigods, or even ghosts, demons, or whatever, you become one. Thus if Harikesha enforces the worship of pedophiles, he is one, or he will become one, or he is as good as one, and so on.]

LD: If my sources are correct (and of course I cannot be completely sure that they are), he did deal with anomalies as they arised and reported abuse to the police. Could you give me some example of this, that could verify your point of view?

[PADA: I heard that Harikesha's followers threatened to call the police to have dissenters to his pedophile worship project removed from the temples. I think he used the police to protect the pedophile worship program?]

LD: You wrote: "Harikesha is the founder father of the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles (as good as God) program, which molested the children in his care left, right and center." My experience during my time as a devotee was that he cared alot about the children. I don't know exactly when Harikesha became in charge of the gurukula in ISKCON, but it was after I left ISKCON. From what I've heard from other devotees, the abuse of the children in the boarding schools in India and USA was going on for a very long time, long before Harikesha became in charge.

[PADA: Well, if Harikesha knew there was already a pattern of molestation, why didn't he work to fix that when he was in charge? No, instead he supported Kirtanananda and Bhavananada being in charge of the schools, and they were two homosexual pedophiles. And when the GBC tried to get rid of Bhavananda in 1986, Harikesha stood up and protested. In sum, he saved Bhavananada's molester worship empire from being removed. Harikesha knew at that time that Bhavananda had been exposed in homosexuality, yet he still said that this man is "Vishnupada." That means Harikesha thinks that homosexual pedophiles are equal to Vishnu, so he is a rascal of the worst order. Even the karmis or atheists would never say that homosexual pedophiles are equal to God because they fear God's wrath. Harikesha fears nothing because he is a complete rascal, just like idiot demons would challenge Krishna knowing that He was immensely powerful. Srila Prabhupada says that means they are rascals. Yes, sex with stools is equal to God, why, because I am the new acharya, Harikesha. And if you do not agree, we ban, beat and kill you. Incredible arrogance. Of course even the demons in Krishna book understood that sex with stools is demoniac and not the behavior of pure devotees, since they had some sense at least.]

LD: When I was a devotee, I knew the teachers in the gurukula in Sweden well. Two women and a married couple. For a while I lived next to the gurukula too and as far as I know, nothing abusive was going on there. And most of the children there lived with their parents, who didn't complain about anything in regards to the gurukula.

[PADA: That means that Harikesha knew he could not get away with his homosexual pooja project in Sweden, because he would be arrested. So that is why he supported it in India where he could get away with it, or seemingly so.]

LD: I did however find out that abuse of women and children was going on within a few marriages. I also heard rumours that things were not good in the boarding school in Vrindavana (India), after some parents had decided to let their boys come home again. No one was talking openly about the abuse then, they just said that the boys were not happy there. Later on, Harikesha said that no children were to be sent to India anymore.

[PADA: That means he knew, and everyone of them knew, that there were BIG problems there. In sum, he said, "No one from Sweden should send their kids," good, but what about other people's kids? Why didn't he try to save the other kids by helping us take down the whole molester empire? Oh, let me save my local kids here, so I will not be sued and taken to courts in Sweden, but let the other kids from all the other zones go there and get starved, beaten and molested. This is rascal. He knew there was a big problem, so why did he not act to save the other kids? He protected his own self from a lawsuit, that's all.]

LD: After I left, in 1986, I saw a programme about the gurukula in New Vrindavana. The reporter was interviewing the children, aged 6-9 years old. It was heart breaking. When the reporter asked how they felt about not seeing their parents, and about being in that school, the children started crying and said (each in their own way) that they couldn't understand what they had done wrong, why their parents had left them in this terrible place. They took it all upon themselves. What a dreadful childhood! And the issue of actual abuse wasn't even mentioned in the programme! (I guess the reporters suspected something, but didn't have any evidence.)

[PADA: That means that the GBC knew the gurukula children were not happy and that there were big problems. In sum, the gurukula was not working because the kids said it was a "terrible place," yet the GBC went on a reinstated a known homosexual pedophile to be worshipped as good as God in 1986 and they did not look into why these kids were unhappy? They knew the kids were crying, so why not go there and investigate? Nope, too busy getting into their limousines to go to the movies.]

LD: I think that the "tradition" of separating small children from their parents is very evil indeed. Children must be with their parents or they will be psychologically damaged for life. Some American swami outside ISKCON defended this by saying that it is an "Indian custom" that works "fine" there. But because something is "Indian" really doesn't mean it is good. Letting new brides be killed in "accidents" in the homes of the parents-in-law, because they think they didn't get enough dowry, is still a widely spread "tradition" in India.

[PADA: Well, whatever the system was, and by the way there are private or parochial schools that do seem to work, the GBC did not do their job properly. If the kids were unhappy, and they were starving, and they were not being educated, and so on, then the GBC should have re-adjusted the situation. The GBC never cared for what the children needed, that is the first issue. If the seperation was not working, then make varnasrama, farms with schools. Or adjust as is needed. The sannyasa order was not working, so do not do it, said Srila Prabhupada. Make the right adjustment. Nothing was ever even discussed about this by the GBC since they were too busy stuffing their faces with big feasts while the children were being starved, beaten and molested. Whatever system Srila Prabhupada proposed, that was not it. And then Harikesha solves it by keeping his zone's kids out, to save his own neck, but let the other zone's kids fall into the pit and suffer....]

LD: About the Rtvik question: I believe that you're right, that Prabhupada didn't think that these men were pure devotees and therefore wanted them to only initiate "in his name". IF IT IS NOT SO - if the GBC is right about this - then Prabhupada consequently cannot be a pure devotee. A pure devotee would not have made powermad and abusive men into acharyas. And a pure devotee cannot "fall down", according to Prabhupada. He is very clear about this. It seems to me that the GBC have forgotten the definition of a vaisnava given in for exemple Nectar of Devotion.

[PADA: Good.]

You wrote: "Srila Prabhupada was counting on his many other followers to stand up to the GBC if they got to far off, as occured when Srila Prabhupada was present. The temple presidents and others would stand up and challenge the GBC. However, after his departure, that GBC cult was so violent, few were brave enought to challenge, so most people just walked away. They should have organized some opposition." What actually happened with the parampara? Prabhupada stresses in his books, time and time again, the importance of turning to a "bona fide spiritual master". Why didn't Prabhupada give better instructions regarding the very important issue of the role of the GBC? Or what to do when no pure devotee is around and "available"? The devotees asked him many times what was going to happen when he wasn't around anymore, but he never gave a straight answer.

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada spoke thousands of times, all along from maybe 1968, how there would be a GBC or managerial body after his departure. He was very clear about this. And he also said that the GBC would continue to fall down, on May 28th, 1977. And he said that the GBC should not pose as gurus like the Gaudiya Matha did, and he said all of this a thousand times as well. The instructions were too clear it seems? The GBC said, "That is wrong, you have to worship homosexual pedophiles instead of Srila Prabhupada," and they even got the backing of some of the promoters of the 1936 Gaudiya Matha homosexual pooja project to help them. A Christian minster refers to homosexuals as the "sex with feces" (i.e. sex with stools) class. So the GBC said that sex with stools makes you an acharya, equal to Srila Prabhupada and God, that means, yes, they poisoned Srila Prabhupada twice.]

LD: Some say Prabhupada thought that in time it would be obvious who was a pure devotee. The only thing that is quite obvious to me is that there is no such thing as a pure devotee - inside or outside ISKCON. If you know one, you will let me know, right?

[PADA: That is why Srila Prabhupada said his books will be the lawbooks for the next 10,000 years, that he would remain forever in his books and so on. In sum, he did not agree with the GBC and Gaudiya Matha idea that you have to worship "sex with feces" to go back to Godhead. No. You have to worship the acharyas, i.e. Srila Prabhupada. So yes, it is very obvious who is the pure devotee whom we should worship, it is Srila Prabhupada.]

LD: Prabhupada knew well that his real legacy was his books. If he wanted every devotee to know something, the best way to spread the word was by writing it down. And he said that everything was already there. You claim that he wanted the devotees to "stand up to the GBC" if they went too far. Why didn't he say so then?

[PADA: It is in his books. He shows that real devotees stand up to corruption in thousands and thousands of instructions, examples, accounts and so on. Have you not read Bhagavad Gita? The whole point is that you must stand up and fight corruption, otherwise you are not Krishna's devotee. So, if someone says that sex with feces is equal to God, and you do not stand up and resist, then you failed the first test. You never read the first and most basic book.]

LD: Why isn't it in his books? Why didn't he encourage the devotees to think for themselves, and not just follow an authority?

[PADA: He said that the real authority is his books and not the GBC. We all knew all along that the GBC had a tendency to be deviated, all along from 1970. He did not encourage us to blindly follow the GBC. He never said that we should do that, rather he said a million times that the real authority is his books. So, where in his books does Srila Prabhupada say that one must worship sex with feces to go back to Godhead? His books say that is demoniac, and that is what we agree to.]

LD: He talks about obediance, about devotion, about never critisizing a devotee...

[PADA: Yes, and a person who says that sex with feces is what pure devotees engage in is not a devotee, he is a demon. So we should criticize the demons.]

LD: The fact is, freedom of thought and speech just wasn't encouraged.

[PADA: Well, that is simply false. Srila Prabhupada encouraged us to read his books and he criticized the GBC millions of times, expressing openly his doubts about the GBC. Everyone knew that Srila Prabhupada doubted the GBC. That people did not follow his trend to doubt the GBC is not his fault, he expressed it openly, that his GBC was dubious at best.]

LD: And he didn't solve the parampara question.

[PADA: Yes he did. He said you have to worship the pure devotee. AND NO ONE ELSE! He also said that homosexuality is demoniac. So, when the GBC and Gaudiya Matha backers said that homosexuals are diksha gurus, parampara members, pure devotees, etc. that means they are not following Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada said that the GBC will initiate on my behalf, that means he did not think they were acharyas themselves. He said the GBC will fall down and will deviate and will have to be replaced, and that means he told us that the GBC were still conditioned souls and not pure devotees.... and so on.]

LD: Did he ever say that his books worked instead of a bona fide guru?

[PADA: Yes, he said that his books are as good as himself and he said that over and over. Also, most of the people who became devotees all along in the 1970s did so by reading his books, not by meeting him in person. Therefore Srila Prabhupada said that the guru's vani (words) are better than his vapuh (body). He also said that the Gaudiya Matha people who associated with his guru's vapuh (body) were the most deviant of all, because real association is by the words (vani).]

LD: I have not found such a passage in his books - he stresses the association with vaisnavas (again - consider his quite rigid definition of a vaisnava) and getting the knowledge directly from a bona fide acharya. He never said: "Here's my book. Take it, read it and live by it. Good luck and good bye."

[PADA: Well, yes, he had hoped to create a society of "living people," vaishnavas, who would preach on his behalf and represent him. That is what he preached all along. The GBC said, wrong, we are going to kick out all of the living preachers and make the temples into empty shells full of rats and cockroaches. So Srila Prabhupada filled the temples with living vaishnava preachers. And some of the big GBC were envious of that, so they got rid of the devotees and filled the temples with rats and cockroaches. So yes, he wanted living association, living samkirtana parties, living preachers and so on. Vaishnava sangha. Correct. "We poisoned Srila Prabhupada, so now, we have to get rid of his plan. Let us do that by poisoning his devotees and getting them out as well."]

What a mess this is!

[PADA: No, it is not really. It is as simple as pie. The GBC says that sex with feces is part of the parampara, and that the people who are homosexual pedophiles are as good as Jesus etc., and anyone who disagrees should be banned, beat and shot. So, they are wrong, and so are their Gaudiya Matha backers. Any village idiot could understand all of this in four seconds. For example, once the good people in Dallas find out that these GBC leaders said that sex with feces of what people like Jesus engage in, well, there will not be a rock big enough for these idiots to hide under. It is all very, very, very, very simple. In fact, one of the "sex with feces is wrong" Christian preachers is very popular in Dallas. So we are going to have lots of allies there right from the get go, especially after they find out that "worship of sex with feces as good as Jesus" was enforced with murders.]

Kind regards LD

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2) QUOTES ABOUT THE GURUKULAS

Dear Prabhu Haribol! Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. There is a collection of 108 quotes from Srila Prabhupada on gurukul at: http://www.krishna.org You may find it interesting. Certainly Srila Prabhupada's ideas and what ISKCON created are two completely different things alltogether.

Chant Hare Krishna and be happy! Your servant Madhudvisa dasa

a few samples:

70-10-28 Letter: Bhavananda It is very encouraging that you have got license from the Board of Education to continue our children's school. Kindly organize it nicely and it shall be a great achievement. We have to concentrate to give them some idea about God--that should be our first business. In art class they should be encouraged to draw pictures of Krsna, Kuruksetra, etc. There are so many subjects for drawing as it is stated in our book Krsna. If they are trained, they will come out nice devotees. It will depend on the process of training. Regarding some misbehavior, that we have to check by training peacefully. Your attitude of tolerance and kindness very nice, so train them in this way. It is Lord Caitanya's order that we have got to discharge welfare activities on behalf of Lord Caitanya.

71-10-09 Letter: Satsvarupa Regarding your teacher problem, I have advised Pradyumna to go there and teach students primary Sanskrit lessons at least to learn the alphabet, so that in the future when they go to India they may learn Sanskrit very easily. The students should be taught Sanskrit both in Devanagari and Bengali alphabets. Satyabhama in New Vrindaban has written a nice book for elementary lessons in English. I think this book may be printed immediately. If not the manuscript may be used to teach the students. The important matter is that the children are taken care of nicely. Bhavananda was talking with me that in New Vrindaban students were very much neglected. Therefore they were immediately transferred to New York. Every parent wants to see that their children are taken care of very nicely. That is the first duty. If they are not healthy then how they can prosecute their education? If they are undernourished it is not good for their future activities. They must have sufficient quantity of milk and then dhal, capatis, vegetables, and a little fruit will keep them always fit. There is no need of luxurious fatty foods but milk is essential. A big building is also very good for the children's health. They can move freely and run and jump.

72-01-00 Letter: Svati Regarding your other questions: Children may be recommended for initiation when they are twelve years old. We should avoid as far as possible any physical punishment to train children. It is better to use sweet words or if it is absolutely necessary to punish then you may bind with ropes in one place or show the cane, but do not use--like that. I have recently explained to Aniruddha in Dallas school and you may write to him for details. The most important thing however is to see that somehow or other the children are always engaged in some kind of Krsna conscious activity, then they will naturally develop a taste for it and think it great fun even to work very hard for Krsna's pleasure.

72-01-10 Letter: Aniruddha The children should be trained in early rising, attending mangal arati, some elementary education: arithmetic, alphabet, some of our books, like that. They should go to bed by 8 p.m. and rise by 4 a.m. for mangal arati, getting 8 hours sleep. If they take 8 hours sleep, they will not fall asleep during arati. When they get up they should wash with a little warm water, at least three times wash face. They may sleep one hour in the afternoon and there is no harm. Encourage them to chant as much japa as possible, but there is no question of force or punishment. If there is need you may shake your finger at them but never physical punishment is allowed. Try as far as possible to discipline them with love and affection, so that they develop a taste for austerity of life and think it great fun to serve Krishna in many ways. Rising early and mangal arati, this is enough austerity. Besides that, let them learn something, chant, dance, eat as much prasadam as they like, and do not mind if they have playful nature--let them also play and run, that is natural. It is nice if they eat often--if children overeat it doesn't matter, that is no mistake. Boys and girls should be educated separately.

72-02-16 Letter: Chaya All the children should learn to read and write very nicely, and a little mathematics, so that they will be able to read our books. Cooking, sewing, things like that do not require schooling, they are learned simply by association. There is no question of academic education for either boys or girls--simply a little mathematics and being able to read and write well, that's all, no universities. Their higher education they will get from our books, and other things they will get from experience, like preaching, SKP, etc. Alongside the regular classes in reading and writing, the other routine programs they should also participate in, like arati, kirtana, preaching, Sankirtana, like that.

72-02-16 Letter: Satsvarupa One thing, if Aniruddha is shaky in his Krishna Consciousness, how he can teach the children? Unless one is firmly convinced about Krishna Consciousness, I don't think the children will learn properly from such a person. Other experienced teachers may be called from other centers if they are required, that you should discuss with the GBC. If you are only a few persons, and if the place is so big, how you can manage? Especially I don't think you will be able to worship Radha-Krishna deities at the very high standard until later time. Better reserve all your workers for managing other things until many devotees are there. When I shall come there later on, I will see everything, how it is going on.
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* http://www.equalsouls.org/tkg

* PRABHUPADANUGA'S:
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* http://iskcontimeline.homepage.com Nandini's history site
* http://www.krishnabooks.org Krishna Books
* http://www.prabhupada.cc Prabhupada samkirtana site

* http://mitglied.lycos.de/pada/ (Pada's Newsletter Archive)
* http://www.krishna.org/ (S.P. REAL AUDIO download)
* http://members.xoom.com/manvantar/index.htm (Sulochana's Homepage) 
* http://www.vedabase.com/  (Vedabase)
* http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/das/articles.htm (DAS)
* http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/padaweb/puranjan.html (Puranjana's Site)

* POISON TAPE audio and pada newsletters: 
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* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/19990519.htm 

* http://www.winink.com/tkg/  (Tamal Krishna)
* http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc   (GBC expose)
* gbc_108@hotmail.com  (e-mail)

* http://pages.infinit.net/pragosh/home.html  (FRENCH)
* http://www.unlimited-resources.com/anubhavananda.html  
* http://members.aol.com/gauridas (Gauridasa Pandita Dasa)
* http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/5708/  (SPANISH)
* http://www.com.org/hb/ptd/cyber_gurukula.htm)  (Cyber gurukula)
* http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/  (Rocana's site)
* http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/poison/poison.htm  (Poison issue)
* Vipramukhya and Jayadvaita's "illicit sex guru" rationalizations
* http://www.artnet.net/~yasoda/index.htm  [appointment tape fraud]
* http://www.gaura-nitai.net Gaura-Nitais Homepage Deutsch

* ISKCON WOMEN-PRABHUPADA'S TIME (by Jyotirmayi Devi Dasi)
* Polygamy In The Hare Krishna Movement (Pritha's Page)

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