1) SANAT'S REAL PROBLEM?
2) ADMISSION OF GUILT?
3) To Rochan
4) Lamxi moni on school board?

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1) SANAT'S (Steve Voith's?) REAL PROBLEM?

A devotee says that Sanat's real problem is that his wife was a teacher in the gurukula system under Satsvarupa, and that ALL of the children in their school were molested. And that Sanat was a big supporter of SDG at that time. And now that these kids are lashing out, perhaps Sanat is trying to legally protect himself or others from getting dragged into court to tell what happened there and why? And what was his and their role in this? And in court he might thus ALSO have to answer why he did not help these kids sooner, or in fact, at all?

He is just blasting them now, and in sum he has never helped them? And yet he knows more than most of us how badly these kids were treated? Sanat says these ex-kids have a negative attitide? No duh. And he helped cause that negative attitute by his complicity with the bad guys, directly or de facto covering up for the molesting? And now, adding insult to injury, he is not even helping these ex-kids even though he knows fully what occured? And he also knew --way back when? And moreover, is he hiding some info on the molestation that might link him (or others he is protecting) to covering some of it up? That is what it looks like. And in fact, if he did not try to protect kids from the molesters and raise the alarm, knowing it was going on, isn't he legally implicated? We'd say, yes. Is he not a Defendent by complicity? And the kids are blaming the religion? No wonder, he says he represents it, and he did not help them and he still isn't? Hmmm, and Mr. Sanat was one of the good ole boys club members while all of this was going on? And murders too?

And perhaps this is why he is veiled threatening to kill us, scholars and the gurukulis, as what, another cover up attempt? Nice try Sanat, but you are not going to cover your own behind so easily. We think you should be asked to testify as to why you supported that regime, and it seems that you went on supporting that regime for some time even after you knew about the molestation problem? And instead of making a focus attack on the molestation issue in the 90s when you finally woke up slightly, you instead wrote a huge tome on --the Gita Nagari cows? What about the kids? A lesser priority?

And you know better than us what happened to them, and apparently you KNEW IT FOR A LONG TIME? And yet you still harass and threaten them? And their molestation occured under your watch, and your wife was a teacher? So, you say your did not know? How is that? Hello? What gives here? Yes, good question. How did all of this molestation occur under your watch Mr. Voith? And since you were a big cheerleader of the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles --as SRILA PRABHUPADA's desire-- and that is what YOU were preaching, are YOU not implicated up to the top of your forehead in the sewer "below"? And you act like you are above the sewer? No, you are one of the causes of the sewer, and you are still in it up to the topmost tip of your head. And then you wonder why people blame Srila Prabhupada after he was so severely misrepresented BY YOU! People have a negative attitude about Srila Prabhupada because of you, and your current mode of "defending yourself" is sheer denial. ys pd]

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2) ADMISSION OF GUILT?

AD: Haribol Puranjana: Is this what I think it is, a public admission of guilt on the part of Minaketana Ramadas dasa and blowing the whistle on Tamala, that they covered up child abuse as early as 1974? Please check it out.

[PADA: Thanks, but your forgot to send the exact text? Please send it along with a little identification of whom this person is and what his role was in 74'.]

AD: I think this knucklehead got himself into legal trouble, as well as his pal TKG bigtime. Now you guys want to express your shock and dismay, when it was you who provoked my tirades against you. So I may have been somewhat extreme, but I thought this device was necessary to get your attention.

Here is a real shocker for you, in case you are not already aware of it: There are tons of people that secretly went out and got diksa from babas and caste Goswamis, many of which still are in ISKCON and Gaudiya Math today undercover. You are not going to know who they are, and it could be any one of them - you are none the wiser. This has been going on for over twenty five years, and many of them are Swami this or Goswami that. As far as my desire to claim credit for the publications I worked on, nothing could be further from the truth. I was merely pointing this out to establish credibility, on account of the earlier remarks in attempt to dismiss me as a crackpot. I assure you, I am no charlatan and carry impeccable credentials.

As far as your ridiculous ideas about translation work, it is a simple matter of language skills, because the task is plain and simple - to render from the original into the language of the reader (in this case from Sanskrit or Bengali into English) accurately and in the spirit of the original. Realization has nothing to do with it, as it would in producing some original work of revelation based on such realization.

You Maitreya for one, with your seniority here, have some very strange attitudes. Bhakta Gary can be excused as a novice, but you should know better. When I acted as TKG's secretary in 1974 and 1975, there were numerous internal scandals that had to be dealt with at many temples we traveled to, so that they would not see the light of day and tarnish the image of the society. The gurukula abuses, although more gut wrenching, were nonetheless the tip of the proverbial iceberg. So, let's drop the pretenses here and get down to brass tacks once and for all.

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3) To Rochan

Your letter seems to be coming almost entirely from the materialistic point of view! Are you suggesting that Krsna is not more powerful than his own material energy, Srila Prabhupada of course knew that He is and that was why he took apparent 'risks'. You admit that he would have been appalled at your actions - well that is precisely why things went wrong - if you had followed his instructions to the letter everything would have gone to plan. This seems very obvious. Also you wrote "Especially in the mind of an unsophisticated child, the way Srila Prabhupada was worshipped and the way he was presented to them was God-like, omniscient, and omnipresent. Although Srila Prabhupada was not any of these things............." I am confused about this, if he ISN'T, then how is he present in every one of his murtis as he said, or did he make a mistake about this as well?

[PADA: That the guru is present in his books or murti still does not mean he is omniscient? Anway, in Rochana's defense, he tried to get some help from the post-1977 Hansadutta era madness, and get some kind of grip on the gurukulas, but the GBC blasted Rocana and supported the corruption.]

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4) Laxmi moni?

Dear Puranjana prabhu,

Hare Krsna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. PAMFO I hope all is well. Here is something you may want to post up in your newsletter which I received from one of our godsisters. I don't know about Laksmi Moni in the gurukula, but I do know first hand, what a bitch she could be to certain peers who were put under her authority.

When I had gotten out of a major operation, I developed an internal infection. After completing my service for the day, I went to Laksmi Moni (with a high fever) and told her that I thought I should go to the emergency room. Foolish, (and MEAN) thing that she was, she told me no, and added "You're not that body. You're just in maya." And so I did not go.

The next morning (at 2:00am) Gangagati found me lying on the floor of my room, chanting japa and crying, (rolling on the cold ground - since the authorities in the NY 55th street temple had turned off the heat in the winter - to try to "cool down" my body). Gangagati took me by subway to the emergency room at the hospital where I was admitted with a 106 fever. You can read the following story below, of one of Laksmi Moni's "pastimes" with one of the Gurukula children under her care. And this woman is ON the board addressing child abuse?

I remain your servant,

Mahavegavati Dasi
Hare Krsna

--- xxx<@hotmail.com> wrote:
> From: "xxx" <@hotmail.com>
> To: mvvd@yahoo.com
> Subject: Laksmi Moni on the child abuse board
> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 09:12:13 PDT
>
Dear Mahavegavati dasi,
haribol!!!! How're you? Good to hear from you... You know what's really interesting, is that our daughter was born with a Kshatriya spirit. The gurukulla tried to mold her into being a submissive female, but she always fought them, which reminds me. You said Malati and her cohort were pointing their fingers at you. That was exactly what my daughter's teacher did, Laksmimoni dasi.

My daughter would be standing up so long with LMDD yelling and screaming at her and pointing her finger. My daughter said that she couldn't stand that long and it would make her throw up. But LMDD didn't stop, so my daughter threw up!!!! LMDD was extremely abusive of the girls. Believe it or not, LMDD is on the board which is supposed to take care of the child abusers!! What a laugh!! but supposedly she is very different now and has changed. However, that doesn't take away what horrible experiences my child and other children have gone through!!!

Your god-sister and friend,
xxx dasi

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SITES TO CHECK OUT:

* http://members.xoom.com/prabhupada/ new ISKCON reform page

Srila Prabhupada wanted to be poisoned?
* http://www.equalsouls.org/tkg

* PRABHUPADANUGA'S:
* Oldham, UK (PSSHearing@prabhupada.freeserve.co.uk)
* New York City, phone: 212-674-0698 (pss52@hotmail.com)
* Seattle, Wa (Dhamaghosa dasa 206-729-0111) dasdasdas@aol.com

* http://iskcontimeline.homepage.com Nandini's history site
* http://www.krishnabooks.org Krishna Books
* http://www.prabhupada.cc Prabhupada samkirtana site

* http://mitglied.lycos.de/pada/ (Pada's Newsletter Archive)
* http://www.krishna.org/ (S.P. REAL AUDIO download)
* http://members.xoom.com/manvantar/index.htm (Sulochana's Homepage) 
* http://www.vedabase.com/  (Vedabase)
* http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/das/articles.htm (DAS)
* http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/padaweb/puranjan.html (Puranjana's Site)

* POISON TAPE audio and pada newsletters: 
* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933 
* POISON TRANSCRIPT 
* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/19990519.htm 

* http://www.winink.com/tkg/  (Tamal Krishna)
* http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc   (GBC expose)
* gbc_108@hotmail.com  (e-mail)

* http://pages.infinit.net/pragosh/home.html  (FRENCH)
* http://www.unlimited-resources.com/anubhavananda.html  
* http://members.aol.com/gauridas (Gauridasa Pandita Dasa)
* http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/5708/  (SPANISH)
* http://www.com.org/hb/ptd/cyber_gurukula.htm)  (Cyber gurukula)
* http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/  (Rocana's site)
* http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/poison/poison.htm  (Poison issue)
* Vipramukhya and Jayadvaita's "illicit sex guru" rationalizations
* http://www.artnet.net/~yasoda/index.htm  [appointment tape fraud]
* http://www.gaura-nitai.net Gaura-Nitais Homepage Deutsch

* ISKCON WOMEN-PRABHUPADA'S TIME (by Jyotirmayi Devi Dasi)
* Polygamy In The Hare Krishna Movement (Pritha's Page)