EDITORIAL BSD
1) To Mukunda das (Kulashekara)
2) JAYAPATAKA SPEAKS (an admission of GBC not dealing with molestation)
"To my knowledge the GBC does want to deal properly with the matter of child abuse."
3) RE: SANAT

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EDITORIAL BSD

Dear "Pada" and readers: I offer respectful obeisances. All glories to Prabhupada! We learned yesterday that Jayapatak says GBC is not meant to deal with child-abuse, but is meant for (so-called) "preaching." Oh, really!?! His idea of preaching is murder, child-abuse, poisoning the guru to get the guru's money and power, so on and so forth infinitely. Catholic priests convicted of pedaphilia do not try to put Jesus on trial for their abuse of the church.

The GBC, their former followers and their followers' children, are now trying to blame Prabhupada and put him on trial for ISKCON crimes. It is a smokescreen to cloud the issue that ISKCON is the one on trial, not Prabhupada. Besides how much intelligence does it take to understand that Prabhupada is departed, already? Nothing can be resolved by trying to pin the guilt on him. But that is the idea behind this GBC tactic and that will maybe be used by their lawyers. Pointing the finger at Prabhupada is their way to get off the legal hook and continue with their worldwide organized crime, and say that it is "what Prabhupada told us to do."

We can say the children are influenced by blind followers of the GBC-guru club. We can say that they are innocent and not to blame for believing what they are told. But if there are any reasonable adults; they should not be mislead by such claims. The judge and jury will see it, in reality, for what it is. It is the attempts of an international crime ring to keep their millions of stolen money and continue guru killing, along with unlimited other crimes. We have been working over a quarter of a century to defeat religious criminals.

We watched Srila Prabhupada's house burn to ashes beginning with the institution of the appointment lie, and carried out by the blind supporters. Guru-maharaj warns in his writings of psuedo-devotees, false gurus, etc. Prabhupada told us that our preaching must become so powerful that the time would come when we can ask anyone if they accept Krsna as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The GBC thinks this means they can tell anyone to bow-down to their feet and if they don't then their "disciples" are authorized to shoot, poison or kill such branded offenders dead by any means necessary. Anyone who disagrees with thier propaganda is executed, tortured, etc, including Prabhupdada. Srila Prabhupada was tortured and poisoned, abused, killed and otherwise treated the same way as the plantiffs in the upcoming courtcase. The GBC and their misguided victims continue to treat Guru-maharaj in the exact same manner he was treated before Nov. 14, l977. Another new source has revealed that they went to Mr.SDG about their child being sexually harassed, in guru-school. SDG's reply was "You have to keep your child in school and I will take care of it." Today that child is now functional. Another source reveals they told TKG about the child-abuse and his reply was "Who cares. It does not matter, forget it. Dont bother me. One of Brahmananda's former wives told me she asked him if he thought it would be a good idea if he did some japa and his reply was that he was too busy "being somebody." Jaya sadhu-sanga!

In service, BSD

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1) To Mukunda das (Kulashekara),

Your conclusion regarding this quotation from the Srimad Bhagavatam is extremely wrong. When it says "or should leave", it means 'that place'. It does not encourage suicide. If anyone were to commit suicide, it would be be 1) Very upsetting to Srila Prabhupada, and 2) A very immature and detrimental act to 'our' (the devotee) image. It would only confirm the worst fears of the karmi's - that we are a bunch of fanatics!

You write: ["One who hears blasphemy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead or His devotees should immediately take action or should leave. Otherwise he will be put into hellish life perpetually. (S.B. 7.1.26)

NOTE: Unless we commit suicide and leave this planet it is going to be difficult for any of us to avoid hearing this blasphemy of Srila Prabhupada, and it will continue to be broadcast more and more all over the world once the Windle Turley case begins."]

Srila Prabhupada said that religion without philosophy is fanaticism, and you are living proof. Read more of Prabhupad's books and get a deeper, more mature understanding, rather that spouting these highly damaging statements. Our line of Parampara from Lord Chaitanya is one of LOVE. We are searching for LOVE. There is so much hate in this world that we can get all screwed-up in knots every day if we a) DO NOT chant our rounds and follow the principles b) AVOID committing offences to Vaishnavas c) READ Srila Prabhupad's books and understand our mission - to spread Love of God. You should maybe read more Chaitanya Charitamrta and less Srimad Bhagavatam.

Again - in order to serve the Lord, the Pandavas had to FIGHT with their Guru. There are so many instances in the Mahabharat where they pierced his body over and over with many arrows. Thinking of committing suicide is an absurd and immature statement and by this you are only revealing your neophite understanding of our philosophy. The only result of such an act will be that you will become a ghost, and many people will think that "we" are nuts! If you want an excuse to commit suicide - don't use Prabhupada. Kulasekhara das.

[PADA: Phew! Thanks Kulashekhara. Good advice. We need all the people we can get to try to make some positive input about Srila Prabhupada, and identify the rogue GBC attackers and the actual history of what happened. For example: the poison attack and so on. Killing ourselves at this point will not help our case, but it will simpy help the attackers to continue to muddy the history waters. I fear this is coming from his pal Sanat, and thus we are trying to get a grip on this before it gets worse. It seems that Mr. Sanat is trying to make another Halle Bop comet suicide camp, and he already has some victims in the contemplating stage...]

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2) JAYAPATAKA SPEAKS

Dear Krsnacandra dasa,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!

I was browsing CHAKRA today and read your article dated May, 2000. I was surprised to find your strident and aggressive tone against the GBC. I think you fail to understand how the GBC operates in ISKCON. The GBC as a body meets once a year and sometimes more on emergencies or through correspondence. Only a decision of the GBC should be considered a decision of the GBC. The GBC has an EC (Executive Committee), which is supposed to implement the approved policies of the GBC and deal with emergency issues on an adhoc basis.

[PADA: You have so many committees, but no one seems to be accountable anywhere?]

JPS: The acts of the EC should not be deemed as the acts of the whole body, but the acts of the EC. The EC is responsible for its own acts and should get the praise or the question for what they decide to do. Ultimately the EC is accountable to the GBC body and if you think that the EC didn't act properly you can present that for consideration of the GBC body in their next meeting.

[PADA: TRANSLATION: Ummm, the buck stops here, I means there, I way mean over there, I mean anywhere but here, or was it over there?]

JPS: You asked: "How does our GBC expect us to respect them when we see them treat the decision of our ICOCP in such a disrespectful manner?" I think Ravindra Svarup Prabhu, the GBC & EC Chairman, gave his reasons for the decisions he made. It was his or the EC's decision and not a decision of the whole GBC body. "Respect is accorded to an individual for many reasons. They range from respect in a persons position or status to respect for a persons integrity, courage and honesty. It seems that the GBC would like us to emphasize respect for a persons position and status at the expense of respect in a persons integrity, courage and honesty."

[PADA: And that is why we make homosexual pedophiles into God's successors, we are honest and courageous?]

JPS: Where did the GBC ever say such a thing? Your statement "it seems" means it is your own interpretation on what you think the GBC would like you to do. It isn't fair to put words in the GBC's mouth that the GBC didn't say and then criticize the GBC for things they didn't say. The GBC wants to do whatever Srila Prabhupada wanted us to do and if you have some practical suggestion on how that can be achieved I am sure your constructive suggestion with be listened to.

[PADA: Yep, our suggestion is that you explain first of all where Srila Prabhupada told you that homosexual pedophiles and their reinstators are part of the guru lineage?]

JPS: "All that the GBC is saying to us is that the lower level devotees who commit crimes against other devotees are penalized accordingly, however, once you have made it up into the upper echelon you can become more or less untouchable."

Again this is your interpretation, which goes against what Ravindra Svarup Prabhu has stated. Had the issue been brought up to the GBC most probably the GBC would have supported the ICOCP decision as it stands, but in their wisdom the EC decided to make a change they considered to be something minor in nature. Had they to do over again after all the feedback maybe they would make a different decision. In any case we should accept that they did what they did not out of some ego trip or to create some elite above all discipline, but rather in a sincere attempt to perform their duties as the EC. They can decide if they did the right thing, but feedback could also be more constructive then accusative.

"I would like to ask the GBC how I should actually represent ISKCON at this Child Abuse seminar that I will attend in a few days time? Should I speak with openness and honesty? Or should I say how we too are facing problems with our leadership not wanting to deal properly with the matter of child abuse?"

To my knowledge the GBC does want to deal properly with the matter of child abuse. Sometimes it is a bit unclear when one says "the leadership" who is responsible for a particular act and for resolving it. Since ISKCON is a federation or confederation of independent temples and corporations while the GBC is supposed to oversee that member organizations follow Srila Prabhupada's standards. Where are the local organizations responsible and where is the GBC responsible? These are the kind of constitutional issues that need to also be addressed. The GBC established the Child Protection initiatives and office. Isn't that an expression of wanting to "deal properly with the matter of child abuse?" If you have some more ideas on how practically the GBC can "deal properly with the matter of child abuse" would be interesting to know what they are. Whatever is presented to the GBC in its annual meetings on the subject has been accepted up to the capacity of the GBC financially and otherwise to implement such proposals.

"Or maybe I should not say anything, as I am not seeing this matter the way that they would desire me to see this matter?" I would prefer you say something constructive, but I am speaking as an individual. I don't like seeing the GBC criticized for something they collectively didn't do and being interpreted in a particular manner and then criticized for the caricature that you create.

The GBC is operating under the system we have inherited from Srila Prabhupada and this year we are meeting to see how things can be structurally improved to better deal with the needs of the society. If you have any practical suggestions about this I would like to hear it. "Or should I weave a web of sweet words praising our leaders for their honesty and integrity and decisiveness!"

That would be nice wouldn't it! I don't expect that, but if at least you would give credit where it is due and criticize constructively where it is due then it would be more useful. Otherwise it is easy to attack the GBC whose members usually don't read these things, since they are off in some corner of the world preaching, etc. and most likely most don't have the resources, time or facilities to log onto the WWW to read CHAKRA. If you want your suggestions read by the GBC better to send a copy to its corresponding secretary, or maybe he has some arrangement to read all the CHAKRA postings. I didn't hear about it, but you never know...

I would personally think that all of the leaders and devotees of ISKCON do feel seriously concerned about any form of abuse and deviation going on in our society and its precincts. I consider this concern to be genuine. How to best deal with it is another question. I never heard the GBC say it wasn't willing to consider any practical suggestion on how to resolve ISKCON problems. You can submit your suggestions through any GBC member, GBC Deputy or through the GBC office. To better interface and serve the worldwide members of the society a permanent office is being established. Kalakantha Prabhu can explain about this.

Again these are my own personal perceptions based on my experience. I read this article and felt it wasn't being objective or fully constructive in regards to its references to the GBC. I appreciate Krsnacandra das trying to do something to resolve the child abuse problems in ISKCON.

Yours in service,

Jayapataka Swami

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3) RE: SANAT

To PADA:

But dear Prabhuji,hows a come you NEVER defended Prabhupada way back in the 70s, by the same token? 'Judge not lest ye be judged?

[PADA: We are serving Srila Prabhupada all along and not SDG and co.? And we did defend Srila Prabhupada in the late 70s, in fact we challenged Jayatirtha way ahead of anyone else in the UK, and we were among the first to get kicked out of ISKCON, while folks like you were eating samosas with the new "gurus"? Right?]

SD: Your spineless Godbros for NEVER lifting a finger, or raising your voice, to root out those rascals frequently and with impugnity harassing, offending, intimidating OUR beloved GuruDeva!!

[PADA: So who are you blaming, the GBC or the Godbros? And if the Godbros are spineless, aren't you among them? You also did not uproot them and you served them? So you are one of them.]

SD: At least,when i woke up [which waking up was ONLY DELAYED because you and your cowardly so-called Godbrothers w/their big, big bellies were experiencing too much ecstacy in shape of SUPREME MELANCHOLY, is it not?

[PADA: Wrong. Many Godbros and many new people saw that what was going on was wrong ten years before you did. If your example is true, you were feeding your belly off of the exploiters as well, and that is why you did not notice? Not only many new people, most of the karmis read stuff in the newspapers and they rejected the GBC wholesale by 1980. You went on, so now you are bitter about being cheated, but that is your fault not ours.]

SD: Since now you are agreeing with, promoting, defending, encouraging, amplifying, reiterating, enjoying and broadcasting the WORST AND MOST UNPRECEDENTED BLASPHEMY OF SRI GURUDEVA IMAGINABLE.

[PADA: No, we said that the such a case was inevitable 20 years ago? We did not enjoy helping with Monkey On A Stick, but did that because it was an issue at the time. The court case is also an issue at our time now, and that has to be dealt with as well. We also did not threaten to kill the "Monkey On A Stick" writers, like you and the GBC seem to think is the solution to problems like this? Your threats make the court case all the more convincing. Most folks do not use death threats to counter lawsuits, and if they do, it makes the lawsuit all the more potent. And saying that your victims (the gurukulis) are demons is making their case a million times stronger as well. After reading your stuff, many people say they are glad it is in court or else Sanat would be out there killing folks. You are helping prove their case a million-fold. Thus you are the party who is amplifying the case.]

SD: You call it very nominal,

[PADA: So, you are saying that killing Jesus is the same as talking ill of him? One is not "lesser" and one is not worse? The citizens who criticized Rama are the same level as Ravana? This is silly. You think both levels are the same? No, one level is more nominal. Srila Prabhupada himself says some offenses are greater and some are lesser, and now you say this is the idea of fools for making such distinctions? Who are you then? And why are these kids speaking ill in the first place? Because of your promoting their molester's regime. You are attacking your own victims. You are the one who is trying to make "nominal" the real cause of the problem here, namely folks like yourself suporting their victimizers.]

SD: Because Maya's stolen what little intelligence you still had left after years of looking the the other way while Srila Prahupada's Name and Fame were attacked by your dear pet friends, SDG et al.

[PADA: These are not my friends, but they were your gurus? Let is not make up more lies?]

SD: So, but the moment i detected the truth I ACTED ON IT, but out of sheer envy for Prabhupada,

[PADA: Why are you acting out of being envious of Srila Prabhupada? This sounds like you have really lost it Sanat?]

SD: HOW YOU ARE IRREPERABLY STAINING YOUR SOUL BY SUPPORTING THE HELLISH BLASPHEMY OF UNIVERSAL MASTER, HIS DIVINE GRACE ABHAYA CARANARAVINDA BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPADA.

[PADA: This is stupid. We never said that we supported all of the statements of all of the ex-gurukulis? You are a liar. Even many ex-gurukulis do not support each other's statements in regards to the movement? And thus they know you are a liar too. Anyway, show us where we said that we supported all the ex-gurukuli's statements, or the complete court paper that was filed? You are a liar. On the other hand, we can show where you supported the GBC gurus. The poisoner and molester regime? And you feel no remorse? There is proof for your serving them. And we never said that we supported the whole text of Monkey On A Stick either, we merely tried to help with it as best we could and that is all we can do. We are not God? Don't be so stupid, how could we control the whole text of a book like that? We are not God!]

SD: I think when Tamalt said to you: Pranjon, I KNOW YOU, rascal face, YOU ARE JUST WAITING FOR ME TO DIE SO YOU CAN SIT IN MY SEAT!!

[PD: Yes, and then you went and served Tamal's empire, not me.]

SD: He hit a nerve, didn't he?

[PADA: Yes, he hit yours, and since you served him, you are the one who is now upset over this issue. You are exposed since you are the one who went on and served Tamal and his pals, and he kicked us out.]

SD: Sastra states this fact unequivocally. Therefore, your only remedy for impugning the Spotless Name of Krishna's Perfect and Infallible Representative is SUICIDE.

[PADA: We did not impugn anyone? We did not write the text of the court case? You are a liar. Show us where we said we supported all of the statements of the gurukulis, or all of the statements in the lawsuit? You are making things up. Lies. Just like SDG makes up things. Or worse, you are saying that since Srila Prabhupada quotes the Mayavadis, he is a Mayavadi, so you are totally ignorant. We said that we quoted the paper out of interest in something that is going to have a big impact, and it will. Just like "Monkey OAS" did. Even some of the ex-gurukulis do not agree with each other? When did we say we endorsed all of them, and moreover how could we since they do not even agree?]

SD: You can ONLY advance by that scriptural-backed process. PLEASE, don't delay, you can show by such GOOD EXAMPLE TO OTHER CONFUSED AND MISLEAD SOULS THE PROPER WAY TO GET BACK INTO THE PATH OF SPIRITUAL ADVANCEMENT..

[PADA: Well, your good friend Mukunda is now thinking of suicide thanks to being influenced by your mad ramblings. And if he does kill himself, we would all know who was pushing him. You are authorized to kill devotees like this? You are the killer of devotees, you are so advanced? No, you are just like the GBC, they also said "kill yourself if you cannot surrender to us." You are talking exactly like they do. And Tamal also caused some suicides, so it is interesting that you and he are totally alike in this regard. "Great minds think alike."]

SD: GO BACK TO HELL WITH YOU RURUKULIES....

[PADA: Nice way to talk about your victims. If they are in hell, your party sent them there.]

SD: But M. Pariksit himself knew that as a King, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN A CULPRIT IF -- given a chance to protect defenceless praja in his kingdom -- he were to have neglected his prime duty and become implicated by non [ksatriya] action.

[PADA: Good point, so you, as a servant of Tamal and SDG etc., are guilty as hell.]

SD: So you think we're going to sit tight while YOU and demone associates continue with your MOST HORRIBLE attacks against our Great Spiritual Master. ???

[PADA: Those who caused the lawsuit are your friends and your gurus, they are not mine? Your party caused this attack, not us. We simply reported it, and we exposed your party's deeds. If you do not like the court papers, go look in a mirror to see who helped cause that document to be made.]

SD: Yes, so the parents of the children -- it was THEIR responsibility to have protested on behalf their praja-children-when things 'were happening', but they also are culprits for abandoning their charges to strangers to be attacked.

[PADA: And you were one of these parents....]

SD: For two years i was severely emotionally abused in Catholick school.

[PADA: So why aren't you a Catholic now? And you did not blame Jesus, maybe, but you were not in the company of adults who blamed Jesus, like SDG is so expert at doing? The GBC trained kids to think Srila Prabhupada is to blame. And we also warned people about the Monkey On A Stick problem way before it occured, and when it did, people blamed us? We said this court case was coming and it was. And it is the fault of the bogus gurus, and their dedicated followers, not us. Sorry Sanat, your party is totally to blame for this suit and we merely reported your party's deeds, and the blaming of Srila Prabhupada element comes from your own high priest, SDG. He is the main person who generated this concept. And he still is. And this is the karma of SDG and those who supported him.]

ys sanat
ys pada

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SITES TO CHECK OUT:

* http://members.xoom.com/prabhupada/ new ISKCON reform page

Srila Prabhupada wanted to be poisoned?
* http://www.equalsouls.org/tkg

* PRABHUPADANUGA'S:
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* http://iskcontimeline.homepage.com Nandini's history site
* http://www.krishnabooks.org Krishna Books
* http://www.prabhupada.cc Prabhupada samkirtana site

* http://mitglied.lycos.de/pada/ (Pada's Newsletter Archive)
* http://www.krishna.org/ (S.P. REAL AUDIO download)
* http://members.xoom.com/manvantar/index.htm (Sulochana's Homepage) 
* http://www.vedabase.com/  (Vedabase)
* http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/das/articles.htm (DAS)
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* POISON TAPE audio and pada newsletters: 
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* POISON TRANSCRIPT 
* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/19990519.htm 

* http://www.winink.com/tkg/  (Tamal Krishna)
* http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc   (GBC expose)
* gbc_108@hotmail.com  (e-mail)

* http://pages.infinit.net/pragosh/home.html  (FRENCH)
* http://www.unlimited-resources.com/anubhavananda.html  
* http://members.aol.com/gauridas (Gauridasa Pandita Dasa)
* http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/5708/  (SPANISH)
* http://www.com.org/hb/ptd/cyber_gurukula.htm)  (Cyber gurukula)
* http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/  (Rocana's site)
* http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/poison/poison.htm  (Poison issue)
* Vipramukhya and Jayadvaita's "illicit sex guru" rationalizations
* http://www.artnet.net/~yasoda/index.htm  [appointment tape fraud]
* http://www.gaura-nitai.net Gaura-Nitais Homepage Deutsch

* ISKCON WOMEN-PRABHUPADA'S TIME (by Jyotirmayi Devi Dasi)
* Polygamy In The Hare Krishna Movement (Pritha's Page)