Adri and the Rest of the Clan
1) CHAKRA IS NEUTRAL ON GURUKULA CASE
2) PISHIMA UPDATE

Dear folks, PAMHO. AGTSP.

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Adri and the Rest of the Clan

Dear Puranjana prabhu,

Hare Krsna. All glories to our WONDERFUL father His Divine Grace, Srila Prabhupada. Please accept my fallen obeisances. I hope all is well. You commented: "[PADA: Another good point. Without the backing of the big insitution many of these big leaders would be out selling banana leaf plates at the train station.]"

I wonder about that; it seems that these big leaders have ALREADY STOLEN so much money from Srila Prabhupada that they would NOT have to be out selling anything anywhere, other than they would just try to continue to "sell" their names to foolish followers. Most (if not all) of these "big leaders" (liars) have HUGE bank accounts. Thus, they would not have to do anything with regard to getting some job to make money; they could simply dip into their already big bank accounts, the money which they have accumulated from their so many years of theft.

May Krsna pull these demons down.

I remain your servant,
Mahavegavati Dasi
Hare Krsna

[PADA: Thank you. Correction: Without ISKCON, some of these bogus GBC gurus would get their disciples to be out there selling stolen leaf plates, stolen license plates, stolen used cars, stolen Rolex watches, counterfeit lottery tickets, talcum powder as baby formula, Korean oil paintings as Western artists, etc. ....either that or they would join the real estate team of their ex-guru in New Yuck City. Thanks for pointing this out.]

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1) CHAKRA IS NEUTRAL ON GURUKULA CASE

Bhakta Harry wrote (to Adridharan) >You've got some good points, but the way to solve present misunderstanding >about Srila Prabhupada is not the way the GBC and Chakra propose, such >as protesting against victimized kids and Mr. Turley.

Just for the record, Chakra has not taken any position on the law suit or Mr Turley. We have posted articles both pro and con this lawsuit that have been submitted by our readers. The editorial team has not even discussed whether we should have an official position.

My personal opinion, not as a Chakra-co-editor, is that I understand the frustration of the victims. Many have tried for years,unsuccessfully, to work within the system. No wonder they've now taken their fight to a forum where they actually have a chance of being heard.

Ys, Madhusudani dasi

[PADA: Thanks MD, a vote for the victims is a vote that might actually help the situation.]

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2) PISHIMA UPDATE

[PADA NOTE: We find it quite odd that the name of Pishima (Srila Prabhupada's sister) is once again coming to the surface in the article below. We may recall that "the poison issue" was sleeping, almost totally until 1997, when we were given four of the November 1977 "poison tapes." Oddly, the person who gave us these four tapes said that he first heard about the poison issue in late 1977, for the first time, from Pishima. She said that Srila Prabhupada had claimed that he was being intentionally poisoned and that he had wanted her to go to Mayapura and cook for him.

Anyway, shortly after we got these tapes and heard his testimony about Pishima, pada produced a small pamphlet about the poisoning and we went out at the 1997 Rathayatra and challenged the GBC: that Srila Prabhupada had said he was being poisoned and this has launched the whole controversy into the public which is still generating a heated debate even today.

Of course we think that despite that the momentum for the poison issue appears to have dwindled, it is growing, howeover slowly, as evidenced by the article below. After all, this is the most sensible explanation for how the abuses took place in ISKCON, Srila Prabhupada himself said that "my only request is that you do not torture me and put me to death" since he too was a victim of their criminal conspiracy. And for those who have asked, no we did not write this below. We cannot verify if all of this is true or not, but it certainly seems to make sense on a lot of levels. We present it as a matter of public interest and we sincerely hope that Anon amos comes forward and identifies himself/ herself and also helps find other witnesses and collaborations.]

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Dear Vaisnavas,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada! I am an old disciple of Srila Prabhupada who, for reasons that will become clear after you read the rest of this post, wishes to remain anonymous.

Many devotees have written messages pro and con the Gurukuli lawsuit. What both sides don't know is that the lawsuit is actually Srila Prabhupada's desire. Let me explain. When Srila Prabhupada passed away, I was in India. At the time of his passing, I was in Delhi doing some service for the Vrndavana mandir. As soon as I heard of Srila Prabhupada's passing, I rushed to Vrndavan only to find that the samadhi ceremony had already been performed. All the devotees were shocked and lamenting in separation. All, that is, except the new "gurus", who were celebrating. Their mood was in such contrast to the rest of the devotees that it really stood out.

[PADA: This is what we heard as well, while the rank and file were crying and upset, various GBCs were laughing and joking amongst themselves in their little clique? Odd is it not?]

As I entered the Vrndavan temple guesthouse, I saw Srila Prabhupada's sister Pishima. Spontaneously I paid my dandavats to her. I had known Pishima a long time and she greeted me warmly. Pishima invited me to her room in the guesthouse, and I was only too glad to spend some time in her association. At this time Pishima, as the rest of us, was engulfed in grief at the passing of our Gurudeva. Through her tears and grief, Pishima told me many confidential things that day. She implored me to keep them secret until the proper time. Accordingly I have remained silent until the present situation has made disclosure of some her confidences appropriate.

Pishima had already confided in me in Mayapur in 1975 that Srila Prabhupada was being poisoned to death. Srila Prabhupada had brought her to Mayapur to cook for him, and for a short time, I was her kitchen helper. She was very concerned at the time that there was a conspiracy among Srila Prabhupada's leading disciples and the Gaudiya Math to murder him and take over the movement.

[PADA: Is this why Srila Prabhupada said, vahi bat, same thing, I am being poisoned, just like other saints were killed?]

At our meeting in Vrndavan after Srila Prabhupada's disappearance, Pishima confirmed that Srila Prabhupada had been poisoned. Srila Prabhupada had told her specifically that his inner circle of sannyasis were the poisoners.

[PADA: Well, this is no surprise!]

Srila Prabhupada had told her many other things as well. He said that he decided to accept the poisoning as Krsna's will. Just like Maharaja Pariksit accepted Sringi's curse, he saw it as an opportunity to leave this world and return back to home. In addition, he wanted to destroy ISKCON. I questioned Pishima closely on this point, because it seemed to be contrary to common sense. Pishima said that Srila Prabhupada had determined that the leadership of ISKCON had deviated so completely from the actual teachings of the Gaudiya Vaisnava sampradaya that he wanted to destroy the organization, lest they become another Catholic Church and attempt world domination.

[PADA: This also makes sense, he knew they would abuse his mission, give it a bad name, and so better to curtail his mission for the time being until it can be properly purified and run as he intended.]

According to Pishima, Srila Prabhupada was totally disgusted with his disciples' failure to understand his pure Vrajabasi mood, and that they had become entangled in organizational politics. So he manipulated them into perfoming an elephant offense to destroy them. In this way, he was just like Krishna, who arranged to destroy His own family army, the Yadu dynasty, with a curse and a fratricidal war, lest they become too much of a burden for the earth.

[PADA: Well, we hate to point this out, but this not only makes sense, it has occured before.]

Srila Prabhupada was so humble, he viewed his own life and self-preservation as nothing. At that point he was much more concerned about the continuity of the sampradaya. He sacrificed his life so that his bogus disciples would be cut down and stopped from preaching in the wrong way: from a neophyte platform.

When I asked Pishima what would happen to Srila Prabhupada's sincere disciples if ISKCON was destroyed, she explained that Srila Prabhupada said that Krsna would protect them, and the devotees who had any spiritual intelligence would leave ISKCON before anything really bad happened. Events have borne this out.

[PADA: Wow, you mean our getting kicked out was the biggest blessing? Agreed.]

Then I asked Pishima how the result of the elephant offense would manifest. She told me that Srila Prabhupada predicted that the ISKCON movement would become embroiled in court cases that would destroy their properties and bank balance, stop their preaching and punish the so-called leaders. Now this is also happening.

[PADA: Once there is nothing left to exploit, the exploiters will leave. Makes sense again. Once an evil criminal man has robbed, raped and killed a woman, he leaves the scene. Happens every day.]

Finally I asked Pishima how the movement would go on after all this devastation. Pishima replied that Srila Prabhupada had told her that Krishna would take care, and that he had already picked one of his disciples to be his successor. But the successor would not manifest his potency until after the present structure of ISKCON was completely destroyed.

[PADA: Well, let us all hope there is someone who can carry the ball in a big way? If not one big main pure person, then many of the little people will carry it onwards, and there is already a core of faithful who are already preaching the right view.]

Pishima also told me many other things that Srila Prabhupada told her that are not yet appropriate to reveal. I have kept these secrets in my heart these so many years. It is a relief to finally be able to see these predictions come true. Even though they are heavy, it assures me that Srila Prabhupada knew everything all along, that Krishna is taking care of His movement, and that no cheater can cheat the greatest cheat without being thoroughly defeated in the end.

Very truly yours,
Anon Amos

[PADA: Well, this is pretty interesting. It seems Pishima sparked a few fires and they are growing albeit in the background ---at least for now.]

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SITES TO CHECK OUT:

* http://members.xoom.com/prabhupada/ new ISKCON reform page

Srila Prabhupada wanted to be poisoned?
* http://www.equalsouls.org/tkg

* PRABHUPADANUGA'S:
* Seattle, Wa (Dhamaghosa dasa 206-729-0111) dasdasdas@aol.com

* http://iskcontimeline.homepage.com Nandini's history site
* http://www.krishnabooks.org Krishna Books
* http://www.prabhupada.cc Prabhupada samkirtana site

* http://mitglied.lycos.de/pada/ (Pada's Newsletter Archive)
* http://www.krishna.org/ (S.P. REAL AUDIO download)
* http://members.xoom.com/manvantar/index.htm (Sulochana's Homepage) 
* http://www.vedabase.com/  (Vedabase)
* http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/das/articles.htm (DAS)
* http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/padaweb/puranjan.html (Puranjana's Site)

* POISON TAPE audio and pada newsletters: 
* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933 
* POISON TRANSCRIPT 
* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/19990519.htm 

* http://www.winink.com/tkg/  (Tamal Krishna)
* http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc   (GBC expose)
* gbc_108@hotmail.com  (e-mail)

* http://pages.infinit.net/pragosh/home.html  (FRENCH)
* http://www.unlimited-resources.com/anubhavananda.html  
* http://members.aol.com/gauridas (Gauridasa Pandita Dasa)
* http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/5708/  (SPANISH)
* http://www.com.org/hb/ptd/cyber_gurukula.htm)  (Cyber gurukula)
* http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/  (Rocana's site)
* http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/poison/poison.htm  (Poison issue)
* Vipramukhya and Jayadvaita's "illicit sex guru" rationalizations
* http://www.artnet.net/~yasoda/index.htm  [appointment tape fraud]
* http://www.gaura-nitai.net Gaura-Nitais Homepage Deutsch

* ISKCON WOMEN-PRABHUPADA'S TIME (by Jyotirmayi Devi Dasi)
* Polygamy In The Hare Krishna Movement (Pritha's Page)