1) From: "TCWSP" Subject: Protection of devotees
2) RE: SANAT/ MUKUNDA
3) FROM GANAPATI
4) Dhanurdhara Maharaja Should Have Followed the ICOCP's Mandates
By Bhaktin Miriam

[PADA: This is good because people are seeing that a guru cannot be given
rules and censures, rahter it does not work since the guru is supposed to
be beyond this level of mundane restrictions, so it is falling apart.]

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2) RE: SANAT/ MUKUNDA

Sanat now says that the gurukulis were never Srila Prabhupada's property, rather he says that they were the GBC's property? Well, no wonder he never quotes any of Srila Prabhupada's letters about the gurukulas? Which letter says that these kids belong to the GBC? None. He has obviously never read even one of them. Of course, he never wrote his big poison expose either, which is now only three years overdue, indeed he has not even wrote a two page introduction to his much loudly advertised poison expose, which he claims will out do Nityananda's? Fer sure.

Anyway, this Sanat now thinks he can change the proprietorship of other people? He is their Lord and master? Is this not the GBC's disease? No, Sanat you cannot change who is the proprietor of anyone, and that is the first teaching we have: none of us are the proprietors? Thus, All of the ex-gurukulis belong to Krishna, and that is a fact. You have no power to change that and we are surprised that you are so stupid you think you have the power to make them NOT Krishna's property. Absurd!

Ummm, so this mean that these children are Sanat's property too, since he supported that empire all along? That is why he is authorized to chop them up now, because they are Sanat's property? No. If the gurukulis were under Sanat's empire, and they were abused, then he should apologize to them for the way they were mistreated under what he now says is his empire, and the abuses took place in what he now fully admits occured under his regime? But he does not apologize for his role in torturing these children's regime, rather he says he now wants to torture them all the more? No remorse, the symptom of a rakshasa.

Even a karmi would feel badly if children were abused under his watch, but not Sanat. He says we should abuse them all the more and if we can: we should kill them. He wants another medieval inquisition, and he will be the chief head chopper. "We love Jesus yes we do, chop chop, hack hack...." ummm, have we not learned yet? Not Sanat and Mukunda. Moreover, they want the New York Time to print that Srila Prabhupada wants us to hack our children up with buzz saws and feed the pieces to dogs, in a new inquisition. Back to dark ages head! Burn those witches! Nice! What is this? Because Sanat is their victimizer, he is their "proprietor"? So he can demand that they should die now? No Sanat, you are not their proprietor, they still belong to Krishna, and they always will, they are not yours to chop up, thank goodness. Moreover, people who want to chop up other people are not well liked, look a Jeff Dahmer, he chopped people up. Ooops! We just blasphemed Sanat and Mukunda's real guru! You medieval dolts!

ys pd

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3) FROM GANAPATI

Haribol dear Puranjana Prabhu, pamho, agt Srila Prabhupada!
Here's our reply to Adri's and Chakra's comments:

>Just for the record, Chakra has not taken any position on the law suit or
>Mr Turley. We have posted articles both pro and con this lawsuit that have
>been submitted by our readers. The editorial team has not even discussed
>whether we should have an official position.

>My personal opinion, not as a Chakra-co-editor, is that I understand
>the frustration of the victims. Many have tried for years,unsuccessfully,
>to work within the system. No wonder they've now taken their fight
>to a forum where they actually have a chance of being heard.
>
>Ys, Madhusudani dasi

[PADA: Thanks MD, a vote for the victims is a vote that might actually help the situation.]

Yes, that's right Madhusudani, we need to support these poor kids first and wholeheartedly, and in the same time nail down the real criminals with all legal means available, so that Srila Prabhupada's name will be cleared from guilt due to GBC deliberate mismanagement. This is the most proper way to act and no other 'diplomacy' will yeald any good results.

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FROM ADRI:

>ADRI:But I think you have got me confused with Mukunda.
>Our newsletter was full of FACTS given by a lawyer from
>the court-room given in civilised language.

Yes, but you should say HOW and BY WHOM was he attacked, too, don't you?!

>ADRI: We even say that the kids must get justice. Please
>point out WHERE we attack the kids - we do NOT. That is why I think you have
>got me confused with Mukundas' writings. Plese read OUR newsletter again and
>you will see that it is written without passion but simply based on cold facts.

That's nice Adri, but don't say you're the only one doing this: beside you, there are many more sincere Vaishnavas who work very hard to help world get rid of Iskcon gangsters dressed as religionists. And, let me tell you, they focus on the real issues, and the court is already listening to them.

>ADRI: Also you will not be allowed to present these facts about Prabhupada's
>innocence if you join the Turley case, since his case is BASED on Srila
>Prabhupada's guilt. No lawyer allows his witnesses to testify AGAINST him.
>This is a simple point. You can only do that if you OPPOSE the lawsuit - not
>support or join it.

>ADRI: I am happy that you finally agree that we must proceed on the basis of
>facts and civilised behaviour as would be acceptable in a court-room. This
>is exactly what we have begin doing in Calcutta and it is EXACTLY what is
>stated in our newsletter - legal facts given by a lawyer. This is what we
>have said all along - that we must proceed carefully on the basis of
>evidence which would stand up in court. Every single point in our newsletter
>is based on the FACT of the law.
>
>These are very simple points. Do you understand them?
>
>Thank you for your feedback. I look forward to hearing from you.
>ys,Adri

Your fighting is good Adri, but it can be much better and more efficient if you would open your heart and see why we are so much insisting on the points from above. There's so much evidence that Prabhupada was poisoned, that's for sure. Once you allow possibility that some other people are too able to render real legal help, you'll be happy to witness acceleration of long cherished justice and real revival of Prabhupada's legacy. Thanks for your attention and reply,

ys, Ganapati das

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4) From: B++++++@aol.com
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 01:44:22 EDT
Subject: Re: Dhanurdhara Maharaja Should Have Followed the ICOCP's Mandates
By Bhaktin Miriam

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Some devotees are saying that Dhanurdhara Maharaja has changed and that he is not the same person that he was 20-25 years ago when he committed child abuse. That is very true, however, in the last few months he has not been very sensitive towards the abused Gurukuli veterans, their parents and the rest of the Vaisnava community concerned with the Child Abuse issue in ISKCON. The reason why I say this is because he has not abided by all the terms of the "Official Decision on the Case of Dhanurdhara Maharaja" set out by the ISKCON Central Office of Child Protection (ICOCP).

First of all, he chose not to follow the Child Protection Office's rulings by giving class in the Boston temple. Secondly, according to the decision of the ISKCON Central Office of Child Protection (ICOCP), he was allowed to give initiations by mail or in certain places, but he chose instead to conduct the ceremony in a prohibited place (as we all know, a couple of days before the ceremony, the Executive Committee of the GBC decided to overrule that injunction). Last but not least, according to the ICOCP, Dhanurdhara Maharaja was supposed to ensure that his aspiring disciples read the Official decision and sent a signed statement that they did this to the ICOCP, before the time of initiation. He did not do this for many of the disciples whom he initiated in April of this year.

By not following with all of the rulings of the ICOCP, Dhanurdhara Maharaja has demonstrated disrespect for the ICOCP's mandates. Maybe he felt that he was justified in breaking some of the mandates. On the contrary, by submitting himself to all of the ICOCP's mandates it would have been a good opportunity to show that he was remorseful and humble enough to accept the consequences (punishment) for his past misdeeds.

By reversing the ICOCP's injunction for Dhanurdhara Maharaja, just a month prior to the Child Abuse lawsuit, the Executive Committee (EC) of the GBC had demonstrated irresponsibility and disregard for the abused Gurukuli veterans and for the rest of the ISKCON community. As the head of ISKCON, they should have been the first ones to show us and the rest of the world that ISKCON had a sense of order and control when it came to dealing with the misdeeds of our leaders. The ISKCON community had to know that even an initiating Guru would have been held accountable and punished for past wrongdoing. Instead, the Executive Committee of the GBC supported the accused (Dhanurdhara Maharaja). Going as far as to reverse one of the ICOCP mandates. Thereby disregarding the fact that it took the ICOCP many months of hard labor to come up with a balanced official decision regarding Dhanurdhara Maharaja.

Furthermore, throughout the years ISKCON leaders had missed many opportunities to resolve the child abuse problem. The Executive Committee's reversal of the ICOCP's injunction has left us wondering how serious are they in facing up to the child abuse problem. It is no wonder why the Gurukuli veterans think that whatever possible attempts they would have made to resolve the child abuse issue with the leaders of ISKCON would have failed in all fronts. We do not know what impact the Dhanurdhara Swami's case had on the class action suit, but it certainly gave the Gurukuli veterans one more good reason to mistrust our leaders.

By reversing the ICOCP's mandate of not giving initiation in a prohibited place such as New York, the Executive Committee of the GBC had shown us and the rest of the world that they are more concerned with Dhanurdhara Maharaja, his reputation and the status quo of Diksa Gurus then they are with the abused Gurukuli veterans and others who care about the child abuse problem. That is very shameful because it supports the idea that any leader in ISKCON who is confronted with an official ruling and has some sort of clout can have his/her high power friends reverse official decisions. That sets a very bad precedence for the future when another Sannyasi or other leader is accused of misdeeds, crimes or corruption.

To some devotees, giving initiation in a prohibited place seems like a such a minor infraction. But breaking any of the ICOCP's injunctions should not be considered minor. In this case we are talking about more than one infraction. Where do we draw the line? What makes it even worse is that the Executive committe of the GBC had to actually step in and take sides. And all of this took place in the midst of an upcoming child abuse lawsuit. Wouldn't it had been better if EC had remained impartial?

The GBC had established the ISKCON Central Office of Child Protection (ICOCP) to investigate child abuse cases and hand out appropriate punishment. The ICOCP has a set of well established procedures to deal with and punish child abusers. Why should anyone, regardless of his/her spiritual status or position be exempt from that? This office has tried very hard to be just, impartial, balanced, unbiased and free of "special interest groups" while conducting its business. It is our duty to do our part by lending our support to them.

The ICOCP has an appeals procedure in case a person does not agree with its decisions. According to the Child Protection Task force, it is questionable whether the EC had the prerogative to change that initiation mandate in the first place. Even if they did, they did not use "due-process" as they were supposed to. Dhanurdhara Maharaja never appealed the ICOCP's decision. Nevertheless, as I stated above, he chose not to follow several of its provisions. To me and to many other devotees that is very disconcerting to say the least.

Now, after the Executive Committee's ill-conceived actions, we somehow have to regain our sense of credibility with the world and showed them that we do care about our children's welfare. I suggest that we collectively and strongly protest the Executive Committee's overruling. Thereafter we should make sure that the Executive Committee of the GBC does not reverse any other ICOCP mandates.

It may be understandable that Dhanurdhara Maharaja's disciples and supporters felt that it was inappropriate for a man of his spiritual status to be disciplined as they say, "with so many petty, mundane, and annoying, impositions" They did not want him to be treated like a common child abuser. They insisted that he should have been allowed to apologize and show remorse in his own terms, preferably through some sort of "spiritual penance."

They claimed that Dhanurdhara Maharaja and his disciples had already suffered long enough, even before the formation of the ICOCP. They ask why should he (Dhanurdhara Swami) have to endure further punishment by having to undergo with the ICOCP's procedures and mandates. The ICOCP was more than well aware of all of these things and made sure to put them into account when they made their final decision.

But what about the victims, the abused Gurukuli veterans that have suffered for twenty years and more and will suffer for the rest of their lives because of Dhanurdhara Maharaja's past physical and emotional abuses that he inflicted upon them? Shouldn't they deserve that the ICOCP's mandates be enforced? We do owe them at least that much.

If Chakra publishes this letter, let's see if they will bury it under an obscure section, like they did with so many other articles concerning Dhanurdhara Maharaja, or are they going to put it where it belongs, in the Child Abuse section or the in new Dhanurdhara Swami page.

yours in the service of Srila Prabhupada,
Bhaktin Miriam

SITES TO CHECK OUT:

* http://members.xoom.com/prabhupada/ new ISKCON reform page

Srila Prabhupada wanted to be poisoned?
* http://www.equalsouls.org/tkg

* PRABHUPADANUGA'S:
* Seattle, Wa (Dhamaghosa dasa 206-729-0111) dasdasdas@aol.com

* http://iskcontimeline.homepage.com Nandini's history site
* http://www.krishnabooks.org Krishna Books
* http://www.prabhupada.cc Prabhupada samkirtana site

* http://mitglied.lycos.de/pada/ (Pada's Newsletter Archive)
* http://www.krishna.org/ (S.P. REAL AUDIO download)
* http://members.xoom.com/manvantar/index.htm (Sulochana's Homepage) 
* http://www.vedabase.com/  (Vedabase)
* http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/das/articles.htm (DAS)
* http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/padaweb/puranjan.html (Puranjana's Site)

* POISON TAPE audio and pada newsletters: 
* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933 
* POISON TRANSCRIPT 
* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/19990519.htm 

* http://www.winink.com/tkg/  (Tamal Krishna)
* http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc   (GBC expose)
* gbc_108@hotmail.com  (e-mail)

* http://pages.infinit.net/pragosh/home.html  (FRENCH)
* http://www.unlimited-resources.com/anubhavananda.html  
* http://members.aol.com/gauridas (Gauridasa Pandita Dasa)
* http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/5708/  (SPANISH)
* http://www.com.org/hb/ptd/cyber_gurukula.htm)  (Cyber gurukula)
* http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/  (Rocana's site)
* http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/poison/poison.htm  (Poison issue)
* Vipramukhya and Jayadvaita's "illicit sex guru" rationalizations
* http://www.artnet.net/~yasoda/index.htm  [appointment tape fraud]
* http://www.gaura-nitai.net Gaura-Nitais Homepage Deutsch

* ISKCON WOMEN-PRABHUPADA'S TIME (by Jyotirmayi Devi Dasi)
* Polygamy In The Hare Krishna Movement (Pritha's Page)