A FEW "SWAMI" UPDATES
1) RE: Sanat and Mukunda (pada)
2) TO ANONYMOUS From: Jzakheim@cs.com
3) Sri Vyasa Puja 2000
4) PETITION FEEDBACK

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A FEW SWAMI UPDATES

1) Bhaktinandana swami. PADA editor really liked this guy as a person when he visited us about five years ago. He had started off by living in the Sridhara Matha while about 10 years old and he grew up there. Yet he could not agree with us that these GBC are not qualified to be gurus, and that Sridhara Maharaja was wrong to have backed them. Well, rumor is that he was having illicit sex with two ladies at the house he was staying in. Like we said maharaja (?) if this is true, it takes a lot more than a rubber stamp to be guru....

2) Vipramukhya was allegedly bumping into a woman named Yasavini to push her out of the temple, with his chubby little tummy! Ummm, bumping a woman with your tummy maharaja? I think this is disco dancing behavior, but not for sannyasa? Is this true? What happened here?

3) Krishna dasa swami
Hare krishna, all glories to srilla prabhupada . I just thought i would write in regard to his holiness krishna das swami, although not in the same league as some of his rectum rupturing associates still deserves a place on your blacklist as some one who wishes to minimise the position of the acharya.

Some years ago, i was unfortunate enough to hear a class wherein maharaja repeatedly compared his divine grace A.C Bhaktivedanta swami prabhupada with a mundane personality mahatma gandhi even up to the point of saying prabhupada and gandhi were the same personality, a completely absurd proposition, even disregarding the fact that they were contempries. Now you would of thought that surely one of his disciples would of questioned this, but not one person in that room [of about 30/40 so called devotes] raised an objection. At the time i was about the only non disciple there, i found this most astonishing.

How all these people coming to srilla prabhupadas movement can become so rotten by the isckon guru ethic that they can happily sit at the feet of some mundane speculator and listen to him blaspheme the only person that can help them out of there pitiful condition. A truly sad state of affairs. After asat sangha was over i requested a copy of the video tape (yes some devotees/ nit-wits think this sh-t is nectar) sadly my request was oh so politely declined (disciples only). Which leads me to another point these people know that by prabhupadas standards there guru is a cheater/imposter simply using prabhupadas movement as a sounding board for his own paticular brand of mundane politics.but still, due to the influence of friendship, society, love thay choose to follow such a person,and address him as guru maharaj.

I recently attended Jaganatha swamis rathayatra (london) where i had brief encounter with the guy who refused to give me a copy of that tape. If looks could kill, id be killed to hell. Yes i know what you know, now someone else knows. Thank you for your time, cool (pada) website especially that bhakta red guy. p.s. I kid you not, two other people can verify.

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1) RE: Sanat and Mukunda (pada)

It is interesting that Sanat now admits that as early as 1983 there was a wider understanding, even amongst the rank and file members in ISKCON, that a molestation problem was occuring. That means for sure that the leaders knew there was a problem in this regard. Sanat also says that the Gita Nagari leaders were in fact discussing "a possible molestation lawsuit" around this time as well, which means they understood clearly that criminal activity was taking place, and that the children were victims of serious crimes. And thus: the children were at risk for being molested. And worse, the already molested children had been victims of a civil crime, yet not much was done to get them proper justice?

In the main, we never heard of any joint effort to combat this problem by any of the leaders in the 1980s? So that means that what happened was exactly the opposite: there was a combined (racketeering) "criminal nelgigence," an aspect of the Windle Turley suit that is quite accurate. There was a common enough understanding of this problem but it was not being taken up as a serious crime. Sanat goes on to say that the way that many of the devotees at Gita Nagari dealt with this was: to make an mass exodus, they abandoned ship. And this is what lead to the manpower problem which caused the distressed cow fiasco. Yet he now admits that the root of the "cow distress" issue is the "child abuse" issue, for this is the reason they all left. Simultaneously, Sanat is angry that we focused on the molester issue --and he says that our focus made the lawsuit happen. Well, ya cannot have it both ways, if this is the "root issue" of all the other abuses, even the cow abuse, then we have to whack at the root issue since what is the use of whacking at the leaves? It will grow back.

Then Sant goes on to say that those of us who have attacked this molester problem (like Sulochana and us?) are doing that "just to takeover Tamal's seat." Huh? No, it is acquiescing with the GBC's molester regime which will help us takeover a GBC guru's seat? They will never vote us in as guru now? Huh? Moreover, no one on the planet, ok except Sanat, thinks that the Dallas temple is getting ready to establish PADA in their guru's (Tamal's) seat? Not going to happen Sanat, ever, although if we were in Dallas it might be handy for other reasons.... hey, hey, hey. Of course the Dallas temple has asked us for a glossy photo, not for placing on their altar, but so they can use it for shotgun practice....

Next, Sanat says that those who acquiesced with the molester problem, despite knowing of it, are the worst guilty parties. That means, by his own calculation, that he is the most guilty of all parties since he knew already in 1983? Whereas, by 1978-9 we were already challenging Jayatirtha's sex, drugs and rock and roll project. Shortly after that, we were getting death threats for opposing the GBC's bogus pooja and Jayatirtha black-balled us all over the world?

In any event, we'd like to thank Sanat for helping us get a window inside the closed doors that we were kicked out of at that time: that there was a general knowledge amongst the Gita Nagari leaders and even some of the rank and file of the molester problem. And yet nothing was ever done except that most of them abandoned ship and thereby they: ruined the farm; Srila Prabhupada's varnasrama scheme; and even the lives of the cows. They knew that crimes were going on and that it was LIKELY to become a lawsuit.

They were right, (1) crimes were taking place, (2) a legal action was required, (3) children had been molested and there would be long range problems for them including possibly suicides, (4) abandoning ship and ignoring the problem could make this worse for the children, what to speak of ruining the lives of the cows and making matters worse for ISKCON even legally for other things like cow abuse etc., yet (5) most people just packed up and left the ISKCON ship to sink in stormy weather. And now, (6) the lawsuit that they felt was inevitable has happened because of their neglect but, (7) many are just pissed off because they were caught in their negligence instead of feeling remorse. That seems to just about sum it up?

Thanks pd

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2) TO ANONYMOUS

Dear writer, signed Anon Amos,

I didn't mean to raise a fuss, But on behalf of gentle folks, Who couldn't bear another hoax, I sought to find out if it's true That Pishima revealed to you The workings of an evil scheme, Which none of us could dare to dream, To steal from us, and leave a hole, Our Prabhupada, our life and soul. Now we're scattered, bruised and bleeding, Some are fighting, all are needing Hope to help us carry on. So I beg you, dear Anon, Forgive me if I've written badly, Out of grief I ramble madly. Straw in teeth, I beg to know If you're my friend from long ago. If you are, please write me on jzakheim@cs.com

Your servant and sister,
Dinadayadri dasi

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3) Sri Vyasa Puja 2000

Dear Srila Prabhupada, Please accept my most grateful and respectful obeisances. You, my dear spiritual master have saved me and therefore I am your eternal servant. Having implored the world to chant the Holy Name you bring us salvation. You have always been and always will be associated with the Holy Name of Krsna therefore always with Krsna Himself.

Upon the good occasion to remember your divine appearance I can not help but also think of think of your disappearance. You have said "There is no question of past, present, future.....So they are the same thing as the appearance and disappearance of sun." Just like the sun you are always here with us in your instructions.

When you appeared, devotees were chanting the Holy Name of Krsna along the banks of the Ganges on Nandotsava in the year 1896. You were born into a Vaisnava family and though some think it only play, you preached as a child, organizing Ratha Yatra and worshiping your Radha Krsna deities. Servants rolled you in a stroller to the temple. In your way you always engage others in the service of Krsna. You have traveled the world teaching, dispelling our illusions and sinful ways with the mission of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu - chanting the Holy Name of Krsna and singing of His glories.

And upon your disappearance, in a darkened room, you are the candle, transcendental to the poisonous snakebird just as was Maharaja Pariksit. You are our visa-harinama, that one which can counteract poison. Faith in you and the Holy Name is our antidote. "O brahmanas, just accept me as a completely surrendered soul, and let mother Ganges, the representative of the Lord, also accept me in that way, for I have already taken the lotus feet of the Lord into my heart. Let the snake-bird—or whatever magical thing the brahmana created—bite me at once. I only desire that you all continue singing the deeds of Lord Visnu." Maharaja Pariksit SB 1.19.15 Srila Prabhupada your only desire is to bring others into the service of your Lord Krsna. This is your unending compassion.

In those days, you desired to go on parikrama to the holy places of Krsna’s pastimes but it was not done. Now what can we do? Srila Prabhupada, you are ever present in your books and it is our duty to take your books as the parikrama around the world because where a pure devotee is, that place is also a holy tirtha. We shall take you Srila Prabhupada. Even in separation, you are spreading the holy name of Krsna, purifying every place with your vani. Thank you Srila Prabhupada for your presence in our lives today. Thank you for recording your lectures and writing your books so we can continue to hear from you day and night.

Through them many can hear from a pure devotee and come to you as their spiritual master in the service of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. It is your greatest mercy. Srila Prabhupada thank you for continuing to inspire your servants whose only hearts desire is to serve and spread your mission as it pleases you. I am grateful to you for giving me those dear godbrothers and godsisters. Our dear Srila Prabhupada you were born into this world with the transcendental sound vibration ushering in your appearance and through chanting everyday we also feel your ever presence. Thank you Srila Prabhupada for entering into the hearts, dreams and realizations of your devotees. We owe everything to your divine appearance. I pray, please always engage us in your service of the Holy Name and Sri Sri Radha Govinda.
remaining always your grateful servant,

Krsna Prema dasi

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4) PETITION FEEDBACK

Hare Krishna Raja,

You are right that the guru business is too attractive for those who have not fully renounced their false ego and material attachments. They are simply professional gurus who usurped their guru's mission for their own sense gratification. This has happened so many times in the past due to insufficient spiritual realization. They are varnasrama gurus and not Bhagavata gurus. Bhagavata system (hearing and chganting) is superior to the pancaratriki system (Deity worship-the main principle in varnashrama) but it is more difficult to realize.

They are engaged in external ritual of temple worship/guru worship because they lack full realization of the Bhagavata system presented by Srila Prabhupada, 6 Goswamis, Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. They (ISKCON gurus) will always remain small time village gurus and not jagat-guru of the sankirtan movement because they have neglected the order/plan of the Jagat-guru himself.

I think a good confrontation with the GBC is inevitable. This time in America where ISKCON is incorprated as a nonprofit corporation. If they will not follow Srila Prabhupada's orders. They must follow federal laws on malfeasance and misfeasance. IRM is confronting them on the July 9th order. There should be an action to confront them on the Direction of Management.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Lets take it away with a petition drive. Every disciple and grand disciple of Srila Prabhupada is a member of ISKCON and therefore able to bring legal action. We cannot expect the karmi community and ordinary citizens to bring reform. The followers of Srila Prabhupada must do it themselves to save their guru's legacy. Otherwise this show will simply continue. Evil flourishes when good men remain silent. We will be needing signature gatherers in the UK. Do you know of anyone who might be interested?

- Harinamdas

Mahesh Raja wrote:
Dear Harinam Prabhu. You are still not convinced? They are not god brothers: they are *DOG* brothers. These GBC goru gundas are ATHIESTS.They will NEVER give up their pretence of so-called diksa guru positions and ACCEPT Srila Prabhupada as DIKSA guru for the whole of ISKCON. These demoniac animals want to be worshiped as good as God.They use Srila Prabhupada as LIP SERVICE to promote their MONEY laundering schemes. Bhagavad-Gita 16 chapter gives this verdict:Bg 16.4 P The Divine And Demoniac Natures

In this verse, the royal road to hell is described. The demoniac want to make A SHOW of religion and advancement in spiritual science, although they do not follow the principles. They are always arrogant or proud in possessing some type of education or so much wealth. They desire to be WORSHIPED by others, and demand respectability, although they do not command respect. Over trifles they become very angry and speak harshly, not gently. They do not know what should be done and what should not be done. They do everything WHIMSICALLY, according to their own desire, and they DO NOT recognize ANY AUTHORITY. KB 1 Advent of Lord Krsna

When Vasudeva was returning home with his first-born child, although he was pleased by the behavior of Kamsa, he could not believe in him because he knew that Kamsa was uncontrolled. An ATHIESTIC person CANNOT be firm in his word of honor. One who cannot control the senses cannot be steady in his determination. The great politician, Canakya Pandita, said, "Never put your trust in a diplomat or in a woman." Those who are addicted to unrestricted sense gratification can never be truthful, NOR can they be trusted with ANY faith.

Why did these demoniac slaughter Srila Prabhupada's books?---They WANT to be worshiped as good as God--(guru--Acarya) ---to do that they had to get rid of what Srila Prabhupada had written--and insert their devious words and try and doope devotees to accept them as guru--this is their scheme. BUT-----Srila Prabhupada OUT-SMARTED them--he had them distribute VAST amounts of books so if the changes are made---EVERYONE will come to know these are demons--DRESSED as devotees. Yes --Srila Prabhupada knew how to engage even demons in the service of his beloved Lord Krishna!

Bg 10.4-5 P

SATYAM, TRUTHFULNESS, MEANS THAT FACTS SHOULD BE PRESENTED AS THEY ARE FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS. FACTS SHOULD NOT BE MISREPRESENTED. According to social conventions, it is said that one can speak the truth only when it is palatable to others. But that is not truthfulness. The truth should be spoken in a straight and forward way, so that others will understand actually what the facts are. IF A MAN IS A THIEF AND IF PEOPLE ARE WARNED THAT HE IS A THIEF, THAT IS TRUTH. ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES THE TRUTH IS UNPALATABLE, ONE SHOULD NOT REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING IT. TRUTHFULNESS DEMANDS THAT THE FACTS BE PRESENTED AS THEY ARE FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF TRUTH.

ys mahesh

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SITES TO CHECK OUT:

* http://members.xoom.com/prabhupada/ new ISKCON reform page

Srila Prabhupada wanted to be poisoned?
* http://www.equalsouls.org/tkg

* PRABHUPADANUGA'S:
* Seattle, Wa (Dhamaghosa dasa 206-729-0111) dasdasdas@aol.com

* http://iskcontimeline.homepage.com Nandini's history site
* http://www.krishnabooks.org Krishna Books
* http://www.prabhupada.cc Prabhupada samkirtana site

* http://mitglied.lycos.de/pada/ (Pada's Newsletter Archive)
* http://www.krishna.org/ (S.P. REAL AUDIO download)
* http://members.xoom.com/manvantar/index.htm (Sulochana's Homepage) 
* http://www.vedabase.com/  (Vedabase)
* http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/das/articles.htm (DAS)
* http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/padaweb/puranjan.html (Puranjana's Site)

* POISON TAPE audio and pada newsletters: 
* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933 
* POISON TRANSCRIPT 
* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/19990519.htm 

* http://www.winink.com/tkg/  (Tamal Krishna)
* http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc   (GBC expose)
* gbc_108@hotmail.com  (e-mail)

* http://pages.infinit.net/pragosh/home.html  (FRENCH)
* http://www.unlimited-resources.com/anubhavananda.html  
* http://members.aol.com/gauridas (Gauridasa Pandita Dasa)
* http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/5708/  (SPANISH)
* http://www.com.org/hb/ptd/cyber_gurukula.htm)  (Cyber gurukula)
* http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/  (Rocana's site)
* http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/poison/poison.htm  (Poison issue)
* Vipramukhya and Jayadvaita's "illicit sex guru" rationalizations
* http://www.artnet.net/~yasoda/index.htm  [appointment tape fraud]
* http://www.gaura-nitai.net Gaura-Nitais Homepage Deutsch

* ISKCON WOMEN-PRABHUPADA'S TIME (by Jyotirmayi Devi Dasi)
* Polygamy In The Hare Krishna Movement (Pritha's Page)