1) Narayana Maharaja folks protest in UK
2) Prabhupada samkirtana society festival
3) RE: MUKUNDA/SANAT (Madhuvisa dasa)
4) ABOUT WW III (pada)
5) PETITON UPDATE (NNV)
6) Butt -- ananda update

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1) Narayana Maharaja folks protest in UK

A group of the followers of Narayana Maharaja recently set up outside Bhaktivedanta Manor (near London UK) with protest placards with statements such as: "BHAKTIVEDANTA MANOR HIDES THE TRUTH -WOMEN AND CHILDREN - ABUSED, WOMEN AND CHILDREN - BANNED." That is correct. Of course this has been going on all along since 1978, so the real question is: why has the maharaja said that the leaders of this "ban, beat, molest and kill party" are --gurus? And when we tried to say they were never intended to be gurus, he got angry at us -- not at them?

ys pd

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2) Prabhupada samkirtana society festival

Dear Puranjana prabhu. Please accept my obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. Please post the following:

Prabhupada Day Festival in Manhattan's Tompkins Square Park.

Monday - September 14th - Labor Day, 2-6 p.m. Tompkins Square Park. Prabhupada Sankirtan Society is having a festival at the park park in celebration of Srila Prabhupada. This will be the fourth annual event held at the park where Srila Prabhupada planted the first seeds of the Krishna Consciousness movement in the West. Prabhupada's famous tree under which he began chanting will be gorgeously decorated, and guru puja will be performed. Sumptuous prasadam will be dished out to all, a slideshow and video presentation will be made, and kirtan with a PA system will resound throughout the neighborhood.

People in the Lower East village have become comfortable with Krishna Consciousness and like to observe and participate in the festivals. Altogether the atmosphere at Srila Prabhupada's transcendental tree is pleasing to all. Many people are attracted to the park and are sure to receive the blessings of Srila Prabhupada on this all auspicious day. Please come join us if you can. Hare Krishna, your servant Madhavananda das.

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3) RE: MUKUNDA/SANAT (Madhuvisa dasa)

Dear Mataji

Haribol! PLease accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!!

Hope you are well and happy in Krishna consciousness.

I read with great interest your letter to Mukunda and you have explained things to him very nicely with reason and arguement. I have had quite a lot to do with Mukunda over the past five years and have stayed at his temple on occassions and know him as well as anyone does. Reason and arguement do not work with him. He thinks he is an empowered incarnation of Krishna specifically sent to this planet to reestablish the worship of Srila Prabhupada therefore he thinks whatever thoughts come into his mind are Krishna and Prabhupada speaking through him.

So naturally he does not listen to ANYTHING anyone else says... It sounds crazy and I think it is crazy as he can't even get out of bed in the mornings... what to speak of other things... He is a very sincere devotee and I have great respect for him and the service he has done for Srila Prabhupada. But he simply cannot conceive that any other devotee could possibally have any realizations greater than his or any advice that might be usefull to him... I am afraid he is far, far above all of us in his spiritual realizations... My experience is it is best to ignore him completely. All glories to your service. Chant Hare Krisna and be happy!

Your servant

Madhudvisa dasa

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4) ABOUT WW III

Q: Some devotees like Sanat and Mukunda say that they want World War III to start as soon as possible and to kill billions of people as "Kali's sword." They are saying that Lord Chaitanya wants this. Are they correct? Bhakta B

A: Thanks for asking about this WW III issue, since this is recycled from time to time. For starters, we should recall that Srila Prabhupada says that nuclear weapons are created by the demons, and that this nuclear war idea is itself demonic. He also says that the very nuclear weapons themselves are demoniac because they kill without any discrimination: babies and children, women and even pregnant women, old people, cows and calves and so on. Srila Prabhupada said that the demons might use these weapons, but he never said that he wanted them to be used, nor did he say his followers should publicly endorse and encourage their use like Sanat and company are doing. This is another grievous public misrepresentation of Srila Prabhupada.

So the idea that nuclear war is good, or practically something we should endorse or desire, has been preached all along by cult leaders like Jim Jones, Kirtanananda, Harikesha, and similar others. Indeed, Harikesha was said to have brought gold and then almost prayed for WW III to occur so that gold would have immense value. So it is sometimes said that the demons want a war so they can benefit. Others, like some Nazi white supremacist cults also seem to want WW III to happen so they can then go out and "kill the colored folks" who survive. So this Sanat is always thinking of and preparing for WW III by buying big stocks of dried foods for his far off rural retreat bunker and so on. He is thinking that this war should occur soon and now he further now reveals that he is in fact still following some of the post-1978 mad guru cult leaders like Harikesha and Kirtanananda who were mad after this World War III idea "in the name of Srila Prabhupada." So this is also the idea of some of the white supremacist Nazis, Harikesha and so many other cult leaders who have practically wanted this war, but this mass destruction was never what Srila Prabhupada said we should be praying for?

This "war hysteria" is actually a good diversion if you think about it because when the innocent mass of people are all in a huge tizzy thinking: the sky is going to burn them to ashes any second, then they forget about other things, like, why is the cult leader buying gold or stocking up supplies for himself while others will be left without such stocks? Cult leaders use this to great effect on the ignorant followers. This begs the question: what kind of cruel, merciless, ghoulish, macabre, spooky, mean minded fools would want to see wholesale --millions-- of babies, pregnant women, elders and so on: cut up, burned badly if not to cinders, blasted, dismembered, decapitated, made blind, torn into pieces, crushed, evaporated, killed and/or made to suffer horribly from radiation illness and so on? Why would someone want this event to occur --like Sanat?

What kind of mentality is it that wants to see this mass suffering and death occur to others --even bavies and pregnant women? It is said that a Vaishnava will not harm an ant, so we should kill trillions upon trillions of ants? Lord Chaitanya's followers? Heavens no! This is totally demoniac. And when we asked Mr. Sanat why he is proposing for such a mass baby and women killing event to occur, he replied to us: BECAUSE HE IS HAVING GREAT FUN. So, advocating mass killing of babies and women is fun, well yes, for guys like Kamsa and Mr. Sanat, which shows that he has never really left the camp some of his great post-1978 mad nuclear cult GBC gurus.

Now another question is: how did ISKCON become linked to child molestation? Well, by the same process that is now being used by Sanat and company to link "Lord Chaitanya" to their "mass baby and pregnant women killing" program, they mis-cite the shastra. Someone who wants the death of millions of babies and pregnant women is: following Lord Chaitanya's mission of love of God? No, this is simply recycled old Jim Jones and GBC nuttiness that was going on in 1978, and then some of the GBC were always obsessed with WW III and some of their followers have never got over it. Yet, like we said, it is also a good cover up device. "Why did Sanat cover up for the molesters when he says he knew about it in 1983"? "Oh, I cannot answer now, WW III is going to start any moment, so I got to go now...." a shuffling tactic.

One of the greatest followers of Lord Chaitanya is Vasudeva Datta, and he wanted to take on the suffering of all the living entities in the universe, and he did not want any other living being to suffer ever. That is called Krishna consciousness. That is what the actual Vaishnava follower of Lord Chaitanya wants, he wants to see suffering reduced not increased? That is how a bona fide follower of Lord Chaitanya feels towards the mass or people, he never wants to bring them untold suffering and grief, he wants to help them, to save them. That is the basic difference between the devotees and the demons. The devotees do not want to see any living entities suffer, at all, and they always work with all their might to help and save them, indeed, even when they are attacked they hold no grudges and continue to help and serve the mass of people to save them, whereas the demons are trying to make people suffer. And in Kali yuga, this type violent rhetoric is not endorsed especially, says Srila Prabhupada.

In sum, Sanat first supported a "baby molesting" regime, and when he found out about it in 1983, he admits that he ignored it and "got on with his life." And now he is trying to cover his tracks of guilt by supporitng a mass baby and pregnant women killing idea, as a means of diffusing and confusing the real point: that he is implicated in serving the molester empire. And he has convinced foolish Mukunda that killing millions of babies and pregnant women is an advanced symptom of Lord Chaitanya's mood. This is not even advanced for a karmi, and thus most karmis do not endorse these foolish cult leader's ideas. Harikesh is a legend in his own mind, and he lives in the minds of his de facto followers like Sanat as well. This should never be confused with Lord Chaitanya's samkirtana mission. thanks pd

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5) PETITON UPDATE

on 8/31/00 12:05 PM, harinam at harinam@ilhawaii.net wrote:

Dear Harinam prabhu,

PAMHO, AGTSP!

The first GBC meeting was held in New Vrindaban in the spring of 1970. The new Vrindaban meeting was the precursor of our yearly Mayapur meetings. Rupanuga prabhu was the elected chairman of the GBC, and THIS ALL TOOK PLACE WHILD BRAHMANANDA, VISHNUJANA, SUBAL AND GARGAMUNI PLOTTED WITH THE GAUDIYA MATHA TO OVERTHROW SRILA PRABHUPADA AND MAKE BRAHMANANDA ACHARYA.

As the four sanyassis preached that "Srila Prabhupada is God" THE FIRST GBC MEETING TOOK PLACE which clearly established according to Guru Shastra and Sadhu that Srila Prabhupada is "Saksad Hari Thena Samastra Sastri".....

"When first seen, the Spiritual Master appears to be none other than Krishna Himself!....but upon CLOSER SCRUTINY, one observes that He is not Krishna, but THE MOST CONFIDENTIAL SERVANT OF KRISHNA!" There was a meeting in San Francisco during the Ratha Yatra festival 1970 and many presidents of the centers were present. In that meeting it was resolved that an ad hoc committee be set up to form the constitution which is taken into consideration. My duty was to first appoint twelve (12) persons to my free choice amongst my disciples and I do it now and their names are as follows:

- All glories to Srila Prabhupada

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6) Butt ananda update

Dear PADA pamho agtSP

Dear PADA pamho agtSP Bhakta J was one of Sydney temple's bucket brigade. After two 'marathons' (and one year of stickers and bucket collection) he decided to take a break. After all, he had collected twenty-one thousand dollars during the 'marathons'. With a false sense of security, Bhakta J headed for his parent's home in Newcastle. Through friends, he met Gopinatha Acarya das (a Srila Prabhupada disciple and ex iskcon devotee). Gopinatha preached to Bhakta J about varnasrama and the bogus iskcon system. When Bhakta J returned to Sydney, he told others of his meeting and realizations. Atmarama das (TP Sydney), called Bhakta J to his office and promptly kicked him out. Bhakta J had dropped out of university to join the movement, he had no place to go.

After wandering the streets for awhile, he approached Atmarama, and begged forgiveness. 'Only if you keep your mouth shut,' warned the TP. And so it was that Bhakta J took six long months before phoning me with this story. Bhavananda, Bhakta J, Bhakta Ray and Bhakta Jeremiah, sat in the prasadam room. Bhakta Ray was stressing his desire to get away from the constant 'collection' program. Bhakta Ray had recently passed his HSC exams with flying colors (top 1% in the state), he saw 'bucket sankirtan' as a waste of time. Bhakta J felt empathy for his friend. 'Why don't you go off to India, and take a bhakti sastri course,' he advised Bhakta Ray. 'Don't listen to him,' interrupted Bhavananda, 'He's insane.'

He then went on to challenge Bhakta Ray's sanity as well. Treating both bhaktas like fools, Bhavananda compared their devotional attitudes with that of Bhakta Jeremiah. 'Bhakta Jeremiah,' declared Bhavs, 'has a great aptitude for bhakti and is not mental.' Bhakta J was surprised by Bhavananda's open and constant praise for Bhakta Jeremiah. After all, Bhakta Jeremiah had no more than an average IQ at best.

When Bhakta J and Ray got together later, they discussed Bhavs attachment for Bhakta Jeremiah. It was then that Ray dropped the bombshell. On a weekday, when all the others had gone on 'sankirtan,' Bhakta Ray (was late) dashed into the temple toilet for a wee. He noticed one of the cubicle doors were closed (there are only two cubicles), so he entered the one with the door ajar. Voices in the adjoining cubicle caused Ray's ears to cock up. He could hear them clearly. It was Bhavananda and Bhakta Jeremiah. Moaning and groaning. Need we say more?

Bhakta Ray waited outside the toilet, just to make sure. They saw him, when they came out. He knew that they knew that he knew. Ray told Bhakta Ben, who told Santi Purana ( aka Manu das), who told Ramai swami, who phoned Atmarama, who kicked Bhakta J out of the temple once again. So why kick Bhakta J out, when it was Ray who saw and heard it all? We believe, it was to break up the friendship, and to isolate bhakta Ray so that a cover-up could take place. Six months have gone by, there has been no official action taken. Bhavananda is still the receptionist at Sydney temple. And we have heard rumors:- 'There is more than one brahmacari involved in the buttananda network.'

So we can gather from this story: Its okay to sodomise under the same roof as the deities, so long as you don't mention bogus gurus, and you keep the TP's coffers overflowing. Recently we posted an article, regarding the alleged molestation of a two-year-old Indian girl, at Brisbane temple. We have asked management to please come forward and confirm or deny these rumors. But there has been only silence. Now, we hear that the temple's assets have been frozen. Why don't you guys come out and say something? We know you read PADA. When we reported the Brisbane TP's involvement with 'cyber sex,' he was defending himself within a few hours.

Dandavats & pranams

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SITES TO CHECK OUT:

* http://members.xoom.com/prabhupada/ new ISKCON reform page

Srila Prabhupada wanted to be poisoned?
* http://www.equalsouls.org/tkg

* PRABHUPADANUGA'S:
* Seattle, Wa (Dhamaghosa dasa 206-729-0111) dasdasdas@aol.com

* http://iskcontimeline.homepage.com Nandini's history site
* http://www.krishnabooks.org Krishna Books
* http://www.prabhupada.cc Prabhupada samkirtana site

* http://mitglied.lycos.de/pada/ (Pada's Newsletter Archive)
* http://www.krishna.org/ (S.P. REAL AUDIO download)
* http://members.xoom.com/manvantar/index.htm (Sulochana's Homepage) 
* http://www.vedabase.com/  (Vedabase)
* http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/das/articles.htm (DAS)
* http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/padaweb/puranjan.html (Puranjana's Site)

* POISON TAPE audio and pada newsletters: 
* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933 
* POISON TRANSCRIPT 
* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/19990519.htm 

* http://www.winink.com/tkg/  (Tamal Krishna)
* http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc   (GBC expose)
* gbc_108@hotmail.com  (e-mail)

* http://pages.infinit.net/pragosh/home.html  (FRENCH)
* http://www.unlimited-resources.com/anubhavananda.html  
* http://members.aol.com/gauridas (Gauridasa Pandita Dasa)
* http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/5708/  (SPANISH)
* http://www.com.org/hb/ptd/cyber_gurukula.htm)  (Cyber gurukula)
* http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/  (Rocana's site)
* http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/poison/poison.htm  (Poison issue)
* Vipramukhya and Jayadvaita's "illicit sex guru" rationalizations
* http://www.artnet.net/~yasoda/index.htm  [appointment tape fraud]
* http://www.gaura-nitai.net Gaura-Nitais Homepage Deutsch

* ISKCON WOMEN-PRABHUPADA'S TIME (by Jyotirmayi Devi Dasi)
* Polygamy In The Hare Krishna Movement (Pritha's Page)