1) SICK PUPPIES? (pada)
2) Nirmala Has Stolen My Day In Court, by Raghunath Anudas
[PADA: So you type of folks should join the case Raghunatha prabhu, do not
let one man dominate the whole thing! Haven't we had enough of that already?]
3) NNV UPDATE ON PETITION
4) ABOUT SANAT UPDATE
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1) SICK PUPPIES?

Dear KKD, So the main question right now is, since Narayana Maharaja's chief spokesman on VNN, Puru, says: that a known homosexual pedophile, a person who was sitting in a vyasasana while molesting little boys (while he was orchestrating murdering those of us who protested) ---is a guru-- and to speak against him EVEN TODAY defies "guru tattva," will the NM folks publicy disassociate themselves from this person you de facto call a "sick puppy," namely Puru? And will they declare that their main exponent is really an unathorized sick puppy fool for his STILL stating that homosexual pedophiles are Krishna's sucssors in the guru tattva category?

Or is the GBC's good ole boys club and/or protection ring of molester webs and nests idea going to continue here? And since NM was saying that this Kirtanananda molester web ringleader club were gurus in 1986, does he not owe an apology to Sulochana, who was murdered fighting NM's vicious sick puppy rhetoric, and why are the NM folks still saying that homosexual pedophiles are gurus which is what they were saying in 1986, don't they get it by now? We and Sulochana proved they were wrong way back in 1986? And they are still pounding the drum for butt f guru lineages -- that beats women, molests children, and murders people? And Srila Prabhupada said, they were giving him poison --which NM later said was a bona fide complaint? And these are your gurus KKD/ Puru?

Thanks pd

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2) Nirmala Has Stolen My Day In Court,
by Raghunath Anudas

Prabhupada vs. Jagadish
Most of you have heard about the lawsuit filed against ISKCON by the Turley Law firm. The following is a petition I'm circulating to send him. The reasons for this petition are given below in my letter to Turley. I will include your responses to him on this matter unless otherwise requested not to.

To: Mr. Turley
640 North Central Expressway
Suite 1000
Dallas, Texas 75206

Nirmala Has Stolen My Day In Court Prabhupada vs. Jagadish

Dear Mr. Turley,

I was ready to join the lawsuit. Then I met Nirmala Chandra, Mr. Hickey. And I saw his Dad, Jagadish, the ex minister of education. No one in the last 5 years has been more abusive with me then Nirmala was in 20 minutes. Nirmala was furious because I have been rallying my guru-kula friends to join the lawsuit so we may use our portion of the settlement to buy back the temples of our choice. To many guru-kulis like myself, there is no sweeter justice then winning the beautiful temples of our childhoods from the hands of the monsters who tortured us.

If justice for the victims is the issue at stake in this case, then our interest in these temples is as legitimate as those who wish to have the cash. It maybe more legitimate then demanding cash, for the temples are the spoils of our enemies--abusers. There's something even more pressing. Temples provide shelter to hundreds of women and children as their only room and board in addition to offering them a religious and cultural center. Temples offer parents an instant community for their kids in an age otherwise deprived of community. How can I live at the expense of innocent women and children in the name of some cause. This is exactly what was done to me and my friends and Mata, Mother, when I was a boy. I must give these innocent dependents the consideration otherwise taken from me as a child or else, I perpetuate the heartlessness of my abusers crimes.

Then we have Nirmala: "I don't care what other guru-kulis want." If 2,000 guru-kulis wanted the temples while he remained the only one who did not, so what. It makes no difference to him. For Nirmala, this case has little to do with guru-kulis, their abuse and their justice. This case is about Nirmala. Nirmala was your first contact and so it appears that Nirmala has set the tone, the agenda and the priorities of this case. Nirmala has turned our cause into a case about Nirmala's personal prejudices against Indian culture.

Nirmala Chandra considers everyone a deviant should they have any affections for the charms of India; Indian culture, Indian religion or anyone even lightly associated with them. You see, Nirmala's hatred is not for ISKCON and Prabhupada per say so much as it is for anything Indian. Nirmala and Siddhababa, Ben, said as much. They beat up on me because I happen to love India. The country can be demanding on the best of us but when you see things as the Taj Mahala or the Himalayas or South India, its beyond compare. I love Indian culture. Hands down, they have some of the world's best vegetarian cooking, some of the most exotic music, dance, fashion and antiquity. I have found direction from its spiritual teachings and a great deal of solace from many of its practices such as yoga, meditation and devotion. This makes me nothing less then an enemy to Nirmala.

Nirmala has successfully ostracized a number of abused victims like myself from joining while making many others who are on the lawsuit feeling unsettled at best. Nirmala has taken an issue of justice so important to thousands of other guru-kulis and turned it into a case about his agenda, not ours. I can take a poll should you care to see how true this is. I will circulate this letter to my other friends to get specific names and numbers of gurukulis who feel the same.

Why, out of a thousand or even two thousand abused children, have hardly 40 signed on after a year with another 50 or so only now considering? In one word-Nirmal. He insists on going after a culture most guru-kulis have respect for and as often, a great deal of affection. Here lies the problem. Nirmala is compromising my simple case of child abuse by his hatred of anything remotely associated with Indian culture. It may only be a building once used by those who partook in Indian traditions. He hates such a building. Anyone who could want such a building must also be virulently condemned. He harshly berates such guru-kulis. Constantly.

The bigotry of this radical stand provides a great deal of leeway for the abusers of my childhood. They can legally maneuver their crimes into the mantle of India's glory. That is the last excuse I want these criminals to use in their defense. They will hold up the legitimacy of India, Indian culture and the rights of religion to hide their abuses. I will fight them-anyone--to keep them from hiding there.

Their crimes have nothing to do with India, its people or its culture just as it has nothing to do with religion, one's right to practice it or the US Constitution. It's much like the witch-hunts that killed millions of women. It has little to do with the bible or true Christianity. To have a case that says as much give these abusers little room to hide. I want them to face the full fury of their guilt. Anything less would not be true justice. Walking out of Nirmala's house left me reeling. I was feeling Nirmala was playing right into the hands of the abusers by radicalizing our legitimate case of child abuse. I felt demoralized, disgusted and hurt. Very hurt.

See it from my eyes. Here's Nirmala chandra. Nirmala was given VIP treatment as the son of the Minister of Education. Where was his abuse while I was being systematically tortured in every possible way under the stewardship of his father? I had to watch year after year after year as Nirmala was exempted from most every abusive teacher and practice while I was subjected to its harshest as the movements oldest, longest standing and most `troubled' child. I was the one made to bare the beatings, the starvation in the name of discipline, the one left locked in cold showers for days in winter and sexually abused while he remained sheltered under his father's position and influence.

And now today, I have to again see Nirmala, but this time, he provides safe haven to his father under the cause of my abuse by his father. Nirmala has taken the abuse of me and my friends and used it for his cause of hatred of Indian culture and protection for his dad. I now have to listen to Nirmala tell me that his father, Jagadish, is innocent. No matter that his dad knew of my abuses. No matter that Jagadish knew of all the abuses of all my friends throughout the world since the very beginning. No one knew as much, about so many. A secret his dad carried with poise for more then a quarter century. No matter that his dad crafted the policies of abuse, promoted them more then any other and then instituted them throughout more schools then all others combined.

No matter that Jagadhish spent decades justifying them. He was not a 20 something hothead youth. He knew better or should have after 30 years, 2,000 students and as a mature man of 50. No matter that Jagadish hid the crimes and aggressively defended the abusers to other GBC leaders, parents and devotees at large. When these criminals could no longer find amnesty in one of his schools, he arranged for their transfer. It was not other leaders, but Jagadhish. Jagadish sent them to other schools under his guardianship. He did so without informing the leaders of those places what to speak of parents. His `teachers' again abused children, but did so more aggressively the second time around. The teachers ended up abusing the children of the local leaders. This was Jagadish's doing, not the leaders whose children where abused by his teachers.

No matter that all of this was done exclusively with the money collected and provided by my mother or other parents bullied by him to hand us over to his `protection.' Guru-kula was his cash cow. That's how he made his money. That was his living. My dear Mata, Mother, alone gave him up to a quarter of million dollars. Money that was supposes to go to guru-kula. It was suppose to go to me and my friends. I was the last to get the benefits of her money while he was always the first. The money covered his many tickets and those of his children. My Mata's money went to Jagadish's VIP privileges from specially furnished quarters and vehicles, to good medical care and his own cook for meals not allowed other devotees, children or me. He could have at least shared some with me. It was my Mata that sent him the tens of thousands of dollars every month for years. Nope. That was his decision. No one else's.

No matter that Jagadish perpetrated these crimes using the powers vested in and taken from the comforts of the very highest office the society had to offer on any given year. He did so till his very last day. He happily enjoyed the luxury afforded his office and continuously employed the full power of his post as Minister of Education. He did so as one of the select few members of the GBC. He again did so as a sanyasi priest before moving onto the highest position of all, that as venerable guru. The post of guru comes with nothing short then all the honors bestowed upon Christ himself.

Each of these positions Jagadish returned to after having left them and the society for months at a time. Jagadish would leave every 3 or 4 years and did so for most of his entire 30 years he was a leader in ISKCON. His conflicts remained severe and for good reason. Yet, he always returned. That was his choice. He remains the only person in the history of the whole society to have been reinstated so many times. He has always been privileged more then most anyone in the movement much as Nirmala has been privileged more then most any other child in our guru-kula schools.

No matter that Nirmala was protected by his dad's post throughout the decades of his dad's reign while I suffered horribly at his father's hands. Nirmala some how feels the right to tell me his dad is suddenly innocent. Not tell me, but to berate me publicly when I come in respect and good will for his birthday party. Abuses of other guru-kulis in the cause of justice are no different then the teachers abuse of guru-kulis done in the name of religion. Let's not become the monsters we so disdain.

Never till this day have I spoken an ill word against Jagadish. Not in 35 years. I started the newsletters that exposed the abuses of the guru-kula schools and its teachers when devotees considered such material blasphemous and when other guru-kulis wanted nothing to do with guru-kula past. I managed to interest both parties leading to the guru-kula reunions, which I also started, and the reform movements against child abuse in ISKCON. Yet after hundreds of pages of such a newsletter and thousands of letters of correspondence on the subject, I avoided condemning Jagadish. I did so out of respect for what seemed to be his genuine remorse for these abuses.

But, I ask you; what am I to do? Nirmal now mercilessly attacks me for not joining him in blaming Prabhupada. Jagadish, meanwhile, sits by mutely knowing full well how he beat me, how he had others beat me severely and that it was Prabhupada who stepped in on my behalf to have a teacher, Jitaparan, thrown out when informed by Bhagaji of his beating me. Beatings Jitaparana did for years with Jagadish's knowledge and support. Only when brought to Prabhupada's attention was Jitaparana asked to leave. Jitaparana was gone the very next morning.

One of the only times Prabhupada uses the word "beat" was after nearly a half hour of prodding from the teachers. It's a revealing conversation because Prabhupada recommends a series of other options for disciplining a child. Prabhupada covers everything from finding the child a different engagement, another place or an entirely new setting like a farm. Finally, Prabhupada recommends the Hydrabad farm. The teachers will not hear of it. They insist there is no other way but corporal punishment. They again press Prabhupada. Who leads this charge? Jagadish. Prabhupada goes on about 10 times, `have the boy transferred' and as many times, Jagadish pushes for beating the boy. Count them when I send you a copy of this discussion. This conversation was very much like Jagadish in Dallas years before; prodding Prabhupada into his idea of child rearing.

Who is leading who? Was it Prabhupada's policies or those imposed upon him by Jagadish? You will find this same scenario played out time and again when it came to Prabhupada and the GBC. Prabhupada told Rameswara to return Robin Goerge to her parents. Rameswara instead hid her, shuffling her from temple to temple and implicating each of those temples in the court case her parents later filed against ISKCON. ISKCON lost millions. Who's responsible, Prabhupada or Rameswara and the many others who also hid her?

Here's Prabhuapda, an 80-year-old man, being told by his most senior men and most senior teachers what was needed - to "beat." These teachers had been taking care of the kids' day in and day out since the beginning of guru-kula: Rupa Vilasa, Dhanur dhara, Yasodanandana and most of all Jagadish. Jagadish was one of Prabhupada's most trusted and senior men. Jagadish regularly told Prabhupada what to do as repeatedly demonstrated in their conversations and years of correspondence. I will send copies of this later. Prabhupada finally says `send this boy away and only then if he is still misbehaving, then you can "beat." Prabhupada follows this up by restating it's better to send this boy away then corporal punishment.

I know the time, place and friend they talked about: Jagaman, Vrindavan India, 76. I think the most pertinent point is that Jagaman had a great time at the Hydrabad farm as Prabhupada suggested. Ask him. Nor was Jagaman ever hit again. The very fact Jagadish was pressing for permission to "beat" demonstrates that Prabhupada could assume kids were not otherwise hit. Prabhupada could only assume this in degree he could trust Jagadish. Was Jagadish worthy of this trust?

You must read the conversation. Jagadish starts by relating how early he wakes us kids up in the morning: 3:30 am. Prabhupada is surprised. Reading this amazed me for I thought that such an early schedule was on Prabhupada's insistence. Low and behold, it was not. This will surprise most guru-kulis, parents, and even many teachers & leaders. In fact, Prabhupada expresses concern. Prabhupada points out that Mangala arotic is at 5 am. and then asks: Why wake the kids at 3:30 am? Prabhupada ask this several times and as many times Jagadish reassures Prabhupada all is fine.

Prabhupada is similarly amazed and then concerned about the duration of class time 1 hr 45 minutes, the lack of food, the lack of sleep and the lack of play time. Again, just as many times, Jagadish continuously reassures Prabhupada everything is fine. In spite of these reassurance from Jagadish, Prabhupada still presses that class time be reduced by 60%, that there must be breaks, that more meals be added, that the kids get more play time, etc. The conversation personifies the very heart of the issue-Prabhupada vs. Jagadish.

I also know how this conversation played out as policy in Guru-kula. The teachers pressed the point that they needed corporal punishment to keep the rest of us in line. Prabhupada repeatedly dismissed the idea. And that was the result. That conversation marks when the teachers stopped hitting us for the first time in years. They kept their hands off us till Prabhupada's passing. The teachers instead twisted Prabhupada's later recommendations of using peer pressure to influence the younger. The teachers rallied the bullies to beat up the weaker kids who fell from teacher's grace. Finding this too troublesome, teachers reverted to lining us up in front of a misbehaved student. The teacher then made each of us slap this boy. If the teacher felt the slap was not hard enough, we were made to slap our friend again and again. This was a daily ritual.

Teachers also started working us for hours, denying us meals and locking us in bathrooms for days. This was all done to honor Prabhupada's demand that we not be hit. The teachers reverted to these drastic measures to keep us terrorized without hitting us. The stories go on and on how they distorted "Prabhuapda said" into incredible tortures. This was their doing, not Prabhupada's.

How could a cultured, 80-year-old Bengali gentleman imagine these seemingly smart, mature men, Jagadish, doing such horrible, horrible things? How could anyone of Prabhupada's generation ever imagine atrocities being born of such gentle and simple recommendations? How could anyone imagine? Jagadish wrote the official guide for all schools in the movement referred to as the Gurukula Handbook. He wrote this about 15 years after Prabhupada's passing. To my utter disbelief, Jagadish changed Prabhupada's letter to read that children should not live with parents when the letter (like many others) actually reads just the opposite. This was to be a book read by hundreds of teachers and devotees who would certainly catch such a brazen lie. Devotees did catch this lie within months of the books release.

These are but a couple out of hundreds of examples that I can gather from parents and teachers, devotees and leaders. I will send them copies of this letter to get their own first hand recollections of Jagadish. They will relate story after story how Jagadish ignored, strong armed and lied outright about teachers, abuse, students and worse of all: "Prabhupada said." I have hundreds of pages worth of stories like this about Jagadish and the teachers vs. Prabhupada. I can fill in hundreds more on the GBC vs. Prabhupada. Yet, Nirmala despises me for not joining him in pointing the finger at Prabhupada.

Nirmala has made it simple: "You are either with us or you are against us." No middle ground. No pause for consideration. He leaves no possibility that there could ever be another side to this story. If there is, he does not want to hear it. This is the very fanatism I crew-up with. Bigotry under any heading is evil. Pain and suffering of the innocent means nothing in the march of their cause. I will not be part of that even if done in the name of my justice.

How can I join Nirmala's cause against Prabhupada when I know the truth about his father's role in these crimes? I know first hand all his fathers crimes against me. A truth Nirmala knows little about and one he cannot and will not hear. Nirmala cannot afford to hear the truth for it's his family that carries much of the blame. I remained respectful throughout the whole of Nirmala's tirade, but now I must speak.

The final travesty of this whole thing is that Nirmala uses the podium of my abuses, like those of my friends who also suffered at his father's hands, to now shove his lie down my throat. He does so on the very day I was to have justice from my abusers starting with his dad. I feel Nirmala has stolen my day it court. I feel crushed. It's comparable to a son of Hilter telling Jews that Hitler was innocent. "You can't blame Hitler. Those mass exterminations are really just an extension of German culture, and the German people." What bull. It's worse then bull. Such a dreadful lie would be so terrible; it would overshadow all the other crimes of Hilter's entire Third Reich.

The simple truth is that Jagadish over saw the greatest crimes against humanity ever committed in this country in nearly a half century--40 years. He over saw more child abuse then most anyone else in the "civilized world." He alone stands as the only common link to most every crime committed in our schools. No one else comes close to being associated with the number of abusers, abuses, places, decades and victims. No one.

Remember; Prabhupada was only around for about 5 years of gurukula, 2 of them was in resignation due to his failing health. That's just 3 years. Jagadish carried on gurukula with those schools abuses growing in severity for 2 more decades after Prabhupada's passing. That's nearly a quarter of a century. By then, Jagadish was the high command. Jagadish wrote the book on gurukula. Jagadish has nowhere else to look but Jagadish.

That guilt cannot be excused, allowed excuses or given safe haven no matter who his son or attorneys wish to implicate. How can anyone but the victims offer immunity to such a man? This is exactly what the GBC did when it came to one of their "own." You are repeating the corruption of ISKCON all over again before you've taken your first step. See how easy it is to fall into this trap. To protect Jagadish against our specific request is the final crime to his victims and the ultimate betrayal of justice.

I implore you. Please, don't do this to us. Not you. Please not you. Don't be taken in by this man or his son. All the students, parents and my dear Mata have paid a terrible price for this same mistake. I know the charm of Jagadish's soft spoken and thoughtful manner, the sincerity of cause, the straightforward and self-deprecating style and most of all, the so-reasonable justifications for his sorry story. It was this very charm that assuaged victims and parents alike and left leaders and devotees speechless in their fury over the abuses. Worst of all, it made Jagadish's role invisible to the world and to himself. Must I see this same sham repeated on my own day of justice? Please.

There would be no greater travesty then the Man-of-Justice starting this entire case by defending Jagadish and then doing so to me and his other victims. You've found the right case. You are starting with the two worse possible persons: Jagadish and his son. Nirmala Chandra can only blame his dad and mother for these crimes. These are Nirmala's only two choices: either blame his parents or blame Prabhupada. It was his father who was there in the background through all these crimes while his mother took the foreground as the societies longest standing and most senior teacher in the world. They set the tone and mood for both teachers and parents. I'm sending a copy of this letter out to parents who can also confirm this point. Still, Nirmala chooses to blame Prabhupada.

Nirmala simply does not know better. He was too young, too sheltered and then left too early to know what was going on with anyone else but himself. He was about 2 when Prabhupada started gurukula in 72 and hardly more then 6 when Prabhupada passed away in 77. I was a teenager by then. All Nirmala can know is what his dad told him. This is true of most of Nirmala's generation such as Ben. They only know their abuses and what they were told about Prabhupada.

I am one of the few who knows most gurukulis, who knows about most abuses, who lived in most every school, under most every teacher in the movement back in the day and experienced them under the different GBC administrations. I'm probably the world's longest standing gurukuli still active in the movement and the gurukula cause. I am one of a handful who knew Prabhupada, who was there under Prabhupada's care and who was old enough to have clear recollections of those times.

Those in my peer group share a common affection for Prabhupada -- especially if they where in Vrindavan in Prabhuapda's last days: Deva deva, Jagaman, Jagadananda, Dwarkadish, Vrindavan, Dhiroddhata, myself, etc. It was this group who went through the harshest abuse and yet they don't blame Prabhupada. Do they know something Nirmala does not? This goes without mentioning the other 90% of the 2,000 gurukulis who are also quite upset that Prabhupada is being accused by Jagadish of all people.

My request is that you kindly give us consideration when we say the blame lies not with Prabhupada, but with the GBC and teachers such as Jagadish. How can you have Prabhupada's name on your lawsuit when Jagadish is hardly mentioned? Do you see the insanity of this? We are happy to leave it up for debate but please do not deny us the opportunity of sharing our insight on those we know are to blame. Nirmala has already denied 90% of us from speaking on his web site and conference because of our feelings for Prabhupada and yet dares claim it the VOICE of gurukulis. I pray that Nirmala has not created a climate where we will again be denied our voice in our own court case.

Nirmala and his dad may have convinced you there is no choice but to blame Prabhupada. I simply ask that you hear us out. I encourage you to review Prabhupada's role in setting the policies and tone of ISKCON and those of guru-kula. However, please review this with input from those who where actually there and who were not criminally involved. Hear the TRUE VOICE of the guru-kulis. You now find yourself in the same seat shared by the leaders of ISKCON past and present. You have found the full truth. It directly points to your very own man. Will you ignore the truth in the name of your cause or bury it, bury me, as so many GBC men did before you? Am I once again to be ignored?

You now have a small taste to the struggles faced by the GBC. The truth is sloppy, terribly inconvenient and as often, not a pretty site. Are you ready to change your entire strategy if necessary to find the truth? Or have you already been locked-in much as the GBC was held captive by criminals in the name of a greater cause? You do not need Jagadish or Nirmala Chandra just as ISKCON did not need Jagadish and his men. Jagadish's crew had a big part in destroying ISKCON just as they can now destroy the credibility of your case, our case, my case, by once again hiding behind the cause of guru-kulis.

If you need conspiracy I can show you one. But it is not on Prabhupada's part, that I am happy to debate. That is all I am requesting, that you allow us to at least debate the point. I'll write more on that in my next letter. For now, here's what I ask:

1) That Nirmala Chandra be asked to step down as your spokesmen just as you asked of others such as Pratyatosh who failed to represent this case appropriately. Having Jagadish's son speak for us is distasteful at best.

2) That Nirmala's cultural prejudices for India are understood to be unrepresentative of the goals and issues of this lawsuit. These prejudices don't reflect the vast majority of the guru-kulis feelings and we consider it detrimental to our cause.

3) That you kindly consider revoking Jagadish's immunity. Providing him any kind of amnesty against our wishes is the final travesty of justice to his victims. If Jagadish wants to do something useful, he can start by apologizing-to me and all the hundreds of others so severely abused for decades while under his administration.

4) That you at least entertain the possibility that the Hare Krsna movement was highjacked from Prabhupada in both intent and control and therefore the corruption was of the GBC's making, not Prabhupada's. This is the general feeling of the vast majority of gurukulis and parents.

5) That Vaisnavism be recognized as more then some money-laundering operation and of sound religious legitimacy. Indian culture is not to blame for these abuses. Again, this sentiment is reflected by the majority of the gurukulis.

6) That the victims, guru-kulis, be allowed to spend their settlement money on buying temple properties without condemnation or prejudice. Further condemnation is the last thing we need.

The terms of justice are important or else, it is not justice at all. Your prompt attention to these issues would be very much appreciated.

Yours sincerely,

Raghunatha Anudasa
(John Michael)

Raghunatha Anudasa
PO Box 1108
Hilo HI
96721
323 696 4727

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2) NNV UPDATE ON PETITION

on 9/1/00 1:26 AM, harinam at harinam@ilhawaii.net wrote:
Dear Harinam prabhu,

PAMHO, AGTSP!

Where are you going with this?.

It would seem that the original GBC's were NOT in agreement with the DOM, as it was their duty to inform the Temple Presidents that a slate of nominees was to be presented in 1973, and that GBC elections would shortly follow after the TP's had a chance to evaluate the qualifications of the candidates. Hansadutta prabhu informed me that the elections were not held due to the shortage of qualified candidates in 1973 at that time. In retrospect, perhaps we will find that the situation was far more complex than we thought in those "two dimensional" times, and that the REAL issue was the incessant progress of corporate disobedience to the deeper purpose of the Acharaya.

When Srila Prabhupadas quoted,"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" He was referring specifically to the GBC. I challenge the "historic spin"......(ie) that Srila Prabhupada wanted to translate books in peace and therefor put his MOST TRUSTED INTIMATE DISCIPLES in the role of GBC, whereupon they "did their best" but ended up acting like "assholes and idiots".

THE NEW INSIGHT: Srila Prabhupada was SEVERELY offended by the "certain discourtesies that had been extended to me" and commented in a letter "I have given you Vaikuntha and you have turned it into hell". He knew that ISKCON "in principle" was the desire of Krishna, and meant to deliver ten thousand years of aspiring devotees in the Golden Age of Kali. He also knew that the "high jinx" and tyrrany of the "absolute corruption of power" WAS A PASSING PHASE hardly noticable in the TEN THOUSAND YEARS OF ISKCON HISTORY stretching before us. (After all, it is WE, not ISKCON who have suffered from the "hostile takeover" by the GBC usurpers. WE, not ISKCON who suffer from child abuse and molestation caused by LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY by the non-elected GBC.

It was in order to MINIMIZE THE KARMIC REACTION of "guru aparadh" that He withdrew!...Had He stayed in place, EACH DISOBEDIENCE WOULD HAVE CONSTITUTED A 'CREEPER SHRIVELING" MAD ELEPHANT OFFENSE. By "retiring" or "withdrawing" from Iskcon, Srila Prabhupada PROTECTED his disciples from their guru Aparadh. After all, "stupid people directing their blind stupidity at each other is far less toxic than directing their stupidity to their Spiritual Master."

Of course, the offenses of His initiates followed Srila Prabhupada into His "retirement" as they howled for him to "referee" their fights, and "rubber stamp" their idiotic proposals (born out of "godless management") to ruin iskcon. Not satisfied, they hunted Him down and cornered him a dark room in Vrindaban (where "even a cow" would die) and created an atmosphere where He would be "killed by Ravana" instead of taking Him on Govardhan Parikrama where He would possibly be killed by "Ram". (Although He said that He would be cured!)

So, I wonder what their "OPINIONS" would do for us? Nonetheless, we could ask them WHAT THEY THOUGHT THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA WANTED THEM TO DO, AND WHY NO ELECTIONS WERE HELD. That should make them squirm! To settle the issue of WHY DID SRILA PRABHUPADA NOT ENFORCE THE DOM:

1. Srila Prabhupada always WROTE in absolutes. He wanted the highest standards imaginable for His disciples and for ISKCON.

2. When faced with INDIVIDUAL DEVOTEES, His overwhelming compassion could almost be perceived as a "weakness of purpose" as He would OFTEN GO AGAINST EVERYTHING THAT HE HAD PERSONALLY TAUGHT AND WRITTEN to help some unfortunate disciple.

(He refused to take Shayamasundhara out of the leadership of Bhaktivedanta Manor, even thought Shayamasundhara had sold the Chandeliers and furniture to embezzle to by his "salted" ruby mine.) (He kept Devananda Swami as his personal servant in Calcutta, even though Devananda Swami was using Srila Prabhupada's famous "stacked cooker" to roast large bunches of Marijuana, and would perform all of his duties ABSOLUTED STONED). Why would He do this?.......I can only say from my own experience and observation, that "HE IS THE VERY INCARNATION OF CAUSLESS MERCY" and that no other person has been as merciful as He.

In order to understand Srila Prabhupada, we should take up the method pioneered by Krishna Kanta: ONLY WHAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN SHOULD BE COUNTED AS PURE INSTRUCTION. Since the relationship with the Spiritual Master is based on the "disciple approaching the Spiritual master, and following the instruction and even HINTS of the Spiritual Master without deviation as his LIVE AND SOUL, the Spiritual Master is then AT LIBERTY to ignore His own instructons in dealing with any given disciple.

The Biblical account of the "Prodical Son" who was honored more than the obecient son SIMPLY FOR RETURNING! is an applicable example of the INDEPENDENCE of the Spiritual Mater from His won instructions. Nonetheless, WOE UNTO THE DISCIPLE who cuts himself "slack" on the basis of having seen some offense overlooked by the Spiritual Master! FOR HIM TO FORGIVE US IS ONE THING......for us to forgive ourselves time and time again IS ANOTHER THING INDEED!..... So, the perceived history of Iskcon is indeed as total mess, and needs to sorted out in term of Guru Shastra and Sadhu. Only then, can Srila Prabhupada and His instructions be understood.

We must face the fact that Srila Prabhupada's PURPOSE and our perception of His purpose are presently a million miles apart. We must also face the fact that our BEING IN THE DARK DURING THE TIME THAT HE WAS AMONGST US is irrelevant to the future purpose of ISKCON which is destined to go on for the next ten thousand years, with or without us! In fact, that we were enthusiastically participating in a movement that existed in our "heads" and had little to do with Srila Prabhupada's vision, will not matter very much at all, as we will now have an opportunity TO TAKE BIRTH IN ISKCON FOR MANY MANY LIFETIMES UNTIL WE "GET IT RIGHT".

By the time that we leave our bodies, we will not have taken FULL ADVANTAGE of Srila Prabhupada's books, and other forms of Vani. In fact, most of us live like materialsits and think of Krishna only on "Sunday"! Since we are "in the process", and time is running out in this lifetime, it only stands to reason that we will take birth in ISKCON as many times as it takes for us to overcome our lazy approach to FULLY UTILIZING Srila prabhupada's gift.

Not only we, but Sridhar Maharaja, Narayan Mahraja, the Puri Maharajas, etc will take birth in some relation or another to Iskcon, for the simple reason that THERE WILL BE NO OTHER PLACE FOR A DEVOTEE TO TAKE BIRTH! It is more than probable that Srila Prabhupada is the LAST MANEFESTATION OF GURU TATTVA in the Golden Age of Kali. (After all, why would Krishna send a THIRD Acharya when the first two were poisoned to death by their initiates?)

That is not a handicap, as His Vani IS CERTAINLY ABLE TO DELIVER THE FALLEN CONDITIONED SOULS OF THIS AGE, with or without our help. HE IS FULLY PRESENT IN HIS WRITINGS, and he has advised us to read them and "you will utilize". Unknown to us, His writings contain the "seed" of solutions to all the negative issues of the Age of Kali. During this Golden Age, the symptoms of Kali Yuga will be put on hold, and it will appear like another yuga for this brief period of time.

During this time A MINIMUM OF 10% OF THE WORLD POPULATION WILL TAKE TO KRISHNA CONSCIOIUSNESS AND BECOME MEMBERS OF ISKCON. We and our "stinking attitudes" will be long forgotten, and if historically retained will be the objects of scorn and pity by those who join Iskcon thousands of years from now. Since the members of Iskcon are currently desperate believers in 'MUKTI" and cling to the notion of their own "salvation" at the time of death IN SPITE OF THEIR SPIRITUAL INACTIVITY, ABSENSE OF EVANGELICAL INSTINCT, AND MUNDANE PREOCUPATONS, we may have to wait one hundred years or more for the heresies inherent in Christian thinking to die out.

(Christianity will begin to die out in less than thirty years from now due to the non-qppearance of the "second coming of Christ"(circa Y2K), and Krishna Consciousness by that time will have more answers and solutions to world problems than any "religion" in the history of the Western World.) When Mukti is no longer the goal of those who wish to "sin on the strength of chanting", the Iskcon movement will finally BEGIN it's task of delivering the fallen conditioned souls. It will be a glorious sight, and most of us will undoubtedly be there to see it!

Your eternal servant,

NNV das

Hare Krishna Nara-Narayana Prabhu,

Thanks for the info on the 12 appointees minus 2. I would now be needing their email address too. Please research this and add it to the list and send it ASAP. I would like to find out their opinion on the DOM and the DOM petition.

9. Sriman Bali Mardan Das Brahmacary
10. Sriman Jagadisa Das Adhikary

12. Sriman Krsnadas Adhikary

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ABOUT SANAT UPDATE

Haribol dear Puranjana Prabhu, paoho, agt Srila Prabhupada!

Right, which is typical for damn fools: whenever you try to help out the straying imbecil, he strikes back with offenses and violence, not wanting anyone to shatter his illusions which he thinks are divine chanellings. Thanks Madhudvisa for testifying about puffed up incommunicado stubborn GBC-syndromatic Mukunda bonehead, but that's something we already knew.

The other thing that should be cleared up asap by Madhudvisa and other experts on Srila Prabhupada's books is the FACT that Mukunda still sells CHANGED Prabhupada's books on those CDROMs he advertise, claiming they're 'bonafide editions', although - they're not. Apparently it's the same old unauthorized rip-off business as some of the BBT-I clowns do, selling their bogus Folio and Vedabase butchered-editions CDs. Regarding 're-print of original '69 Sri Isopanishad' that Mukunda claims to be 'THE original, THE unedited book', that claim should not be accepted blindly but his reprint must be thoroughly checked out for its genuineness. There's only one way to be sure, and that's thorough word-by-word comparation, two persons checking at the same time, one reading aloud, other controlling the text, so it requires the original edition for reference, time and patience.

Anyway, one thing is sure, our devotees have decided not to take for granted anything anymore from the GBC clowns like Mukunda and Sanatan, because their actions are just opposite to both Vaishnava mood and etiquette, and even dummies these days can see how these guys are destroying Prabhupadas good name and legacy, instead of protecting it and preserving it, as they falsely claim doing it. Being rude and offensive to fellow devotees and their victmized kids, and paint Prabhupada as a militant-cult fanatic agressive leader and ideologist is never to be considered a Vaishnavism, no matter how many (misquoted) quotes they may forward, especially if Muk and Sanat actions are constantly showing their real, long-hidden faces of actual women & kids-hater GBC-henchmen (!!!, yes!!!) especially now when the righteous anti-kids-abuse court-case is exploding in the States and soon in the rest of the world.

In short, everyone by now realizes that Mukunda and Sanatan are still hell attached to worship of some of their fake homo and women-hater 'gurus' from Iskcon, although they're faking 'attachment to Prabhupada' - to get positions for themselves. Let's make this clear: there's no attachment to Prabhupada at all in Muk/Sanat veiled death-threats, rather we talking here massive offenses to poor victimized kids of Iskcon (and US-justice and government), victimized by - nobody else but - guys like Mukunda, Sanatan and their fucking (sorry for language) demon 'ruru- gurus'.

After all, their incommunicado madness just shows retraction of Krishna's Mercy, and swift loss of their (spiritual?) intelligence, if any Shastra confirms. Other illusion that should be dispersed asap is that contrary to what naive devotees think, huge percentage of the Iskcon 'devotees' are coming from the group of 'most fallen', yes, as described in shastras like CC, and under bogus 'guidance' from usurper gangster acharya-poisoner 'gurus', these very fallen 'rank&file' persons never had a proper chance to heal up their material diseases and get better, rather they - got worse and worse. That's why almost no one in post '77 Iskcon society gives a shit about corruption and crimes in their church, even if abuse goes on in front of their own (blind) eyes. No, no revolutions needed, we don't wanna be offensive towards 'pure devotees' (???) they say, so these suckers close their eyes, and let the crimes continue, because they're also fallen, so what the hell, why going against fellow slimeballs - and thus ruining a prospective career in Iskcon of the 21st century? That's the bottom line of the hard and painful reality: fallen remain fallen, fools remain fools, because they don't want Prabhupada's purity, they don't want proper guru, and they easily sell out their chicken-necks for a little bowl of kitchrie and career promises. Same old story.

Illusion surely has a very powerful grip on those who foolishly believe that criticizing and prosecuting criminals within Iskcon and beyond is a 'vaishnava aparadha'. Thus unchastized, those rascals continue to go bonkers and - amazingly - they even attack the victimized kids instead ???!!!!!!!! So, why are they doing that, if it's all against shastras, against morality, against logic, against common sense, yet - they're doing it? Well, many rascals use this very same 'attack the victim and opponent' mechanism to protect themselves from those who criticize their sahajiya/ neophite/ a-vaishnava behavior, etc. Critics are shaking their chairs of power, which is not welcomed. These 'people' are not after purity. no way. To those suckers we are saying: law-forces will kick your ass to hell, along with your f--king 'gurus', and there's soon will be no demons left in Prabhupada's sacred house. There will be no more mercy for idiots disguised as 'devotees', no matter how much showbottle they put on, and how much noise they make in order to maintain their usurped positions. Our message to Iskcon demons is: it's all over, be sure to understand this, your corrupt Isgone is and will be busted, and that's great, because we don't rise our kids to satisfy your asuric weirdo homosexual pedophile apetites!!! You GBC/ Iskcon/ 'guru'/ their henchmen bastards are on your way down, not only to hell, but also to the jailhouses, where you really belong, for lifetime!

Parents of victimized kids, kids themselves, medias and the courts worldwide will kick the shit out of you and your fucking pedophile 'gurus' you are so keen to worship and protect by murdering and torturing real Vaishnavas and their good offspring. And if you want a war, you'll get it, we promise you that. Look what's up already in places like UK, they're linching out kid-abusers!!! Bravo for angered parents and their righteous actions!!!

That's how our devotees reason, both male and female: no mercy anymore for kids-torturing demons and their butt-kissers in Iskcon! To hell with them!

ys, Ganapati & Prabhupadanugas

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SITES TO CHECK OUT:

* http://members.xoom.com/prabhupada/ new ISKCON reform page

Srila Prabhupada wanted to be poisoned?
* http://www.equalsouls.org/tkg

* PRABHUPADANUGA'S:
* Seattle, Wa (Dhamaghosa dasa 206-729-0111) dasdasdas@aol.com

* http://iskcontimeline.homepage.com Nandini's history site
* http://www.krishnabooks.org Krishna Books
* http://www.prabhupada.cc Prabhupada samkirtana site

* http://mitglied.lycos.de/pada/ (Pada's Newsletter Archive)
* http://www.krishna.org/ (S.P. REAL AUDIO download)
* http://members.xoom.com/manvantar/index.htm (Sulochana's Homepage) 
* http://www.vedabase.com/  (Vedabase)
* http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/das/articles.htm (DAS)
* http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/padaweb/puranjan.html (Puranjana's Site)

* POISON TAPE audio and pada newsletters: 
* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933 
* POISON TRANSCRIPT 
* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/19990519.htm 

* http://www.winink.com/tkg/  (Tamal Krishna)
* http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc   (GBC expose)
* gbc_108@hotmail.com  (e-mail)

* http://pages.infinit.net/pragosh/home.html  (FRENCH)
* http://www.unlimited-resources.com/anubhavananda.html  
* http://members.aol.com/gauridas (Gauridasa Pandita Dasa)
* http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/5708/  (SPANISH)
* http://www.com.org/hb/ptd/cyber_gurukula.htm)  (Cyber gurukula)
* http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/  (Rocana's site)
* http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/poison/poison.htm  (Poison issue)
* Vipramukhya and Jayadvaita's "illicit sex guru" rationalizations
* http://www.artnet.net/~yasoda/index.htm  [appointment tape fraud]
* http://www.gaura-nitai.net Gaura-Nitais Homepage Deutsch

* ISKCON WOMEN-PRABHUPADA'S TIME (by Jyotirmayi Devi Dasi)
* Polygamy In The Hare Krishna Movement (Pritha's Page)