1) the child molestation case's TV show
2) RE: Sanat and Nirmal chandra episode

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Its easy to capture a video and upload it to the internet. I'm sure someone will upload the Turley case to the Internet, if not I would like to and then send it an email to VNN for anyone to watch anytime. I would like to upload the video even if someone else does. I found a 1 dollar hosting a month and I might start either bhagwatam.com or krsna.tv site. I remember back in 1978 when a Gurukuli boy told me a was molested and threatened not to talk.

When the temple president (Yudamanu) and Paramahamsa found out they decided to send the German pedophile teacher to Vrndavana India to be a teacher. I asked Yudamanu why not turn him over to the police and put him in jail. All they said was that he will like it better being a teacher in Vrndavana and that they want to cover up a possible law suite by getting rid of the eidence. I should have done something but I didn't.

I did help keep Kirtananda out of Berkeley when he wanted to be Guru there, I been getting an occasional death threat ever since for that. Some devotees still think he is a pure devotee or something. I'm not perfect either though.

ys, SB dasa

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RE: Sanat and Nirmal chandra episode

PADA wanted to pursue this Sanat/ Nirmal issue because we think that there is more to "the real reason" why Nirmal is as upset as he is. For example, Nirmal went to Gita Nagari to get help with his child molestation cause, we know because he phoned us from there many years ago, but he evidently got --no-- help from the SDG groupies there. Worse, he has had some obvious unpleasant run-ins with the local "dissidents" there, namley Sanat and Rasal, and this has evolved into a bitter child custody dispute. It seems that this caused him to alienate further, and has helped lead to his current hard line. Even before the Turley case, Sanat was calling Nirmal a dog sex fiend, so there is some sour blood already brewing from way before.

In other words, had Sanat and Rasal helped Nirmal instead of getting into a vicious "dog sex" counter claims dispute, maybe Nirmal would have joined our team. Instead, the so-called loyal team members beat up on the guy? Then, he left Gita Nagari finding no shelter there and he went back to Jaggadisha. Ummm, this is not all his fault? So let us look at some of Sanat team's behavior and see if the reason Nirmal left there is because there are still a lot of GBC clone behaviors afoot, and is this not the leaves of the evil root problem? And worse, when we asked about this Sanat got angry and said we are defending Nirmal? No, we are trying to figure out what has caused him to get so far afield into alienation, and it is now evident that Sanat is a component of that alienation.

A) BUNKER MENTALITY-- Sanat has said, and correctly, that folks like the GBC are demons because they sit in some remote area and get their "henchmen" to do their dirty work, while they are not taking open public action themselves. Good point. The GBC are hiding, says Sanat. And Srila Prabhupada confirms this, the demon government leaders sit in some war bunker, far, far away from the actual bloody fighting, and they make their soldiers do the fighting. Srila Prabhupada says this is the symptom of a demon who is destined for a lowest hell.

A Vedic fighter, on the other hand, will always march directly into the battle every day without fear, just like Sulochana did. Every day he was out there with his papers in Berkeley, LA, San Franscisco, Three Rivers and so on, and we know, because we met him in the city all the time. And the pada editor was in danger himself for his own GBC confronting, and doubly more, just by walking around with Sulochana, as he noted at the time. He was not in some "rural bunker" simply ordering others to fight and/ or waiting for WW III. No, he was out there "walking his talk." And we were walking with him as well, not sitting in the middle of a town of two hundred people in Western New York?

So this is the problem of the degraded age of Kali yuga, the bogus leaders remain in a secluded, safe location, while ordering others to fight. This is the problem we had with Hitler, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, and Iraq is run the same way today. Ummm, just like Sanat? He says that all of the people in the cities (including teeny newborn babies) should fight his war, i.e be blown up with his WW III doomsday idea. Yet meanwhile, Mr. Sanat is sitting far, far, far, far away, secured in his well-stocked bunker, miles from any city, drinking from his huge stockpile of sodas, where he is planning on --not getting a scratch from the war he is calling for-- while millions of his "soldiers" (city dwellers: i.e. teeny babies) will die horribly. And further Mr. Sanat says that his simply writing about this (his mass baby killing scheme) gives him "great fun." It does?

Meanwhile, he keeps reading Christian doomsday web sites while living miles away from the "final conflict of Armageddon" that he wants and orders? Nevermind that millions of babies would then be de facto "fighting" and they would thus be the pulverized cannon fodder of Sanat's war, which is even more demoniac than most demons, since they at least try to engage armies ---of consenting adults? In sum, Sanat wants to further victimize --non consenting children, even newborn babies, and victimize them worse than molestation? With a horrible suffering and/or death? What kind of person has "great fun" describing how he wants to see millions of babies die horribly?

B) ILLICIT PROGENY BY "BEST FRIEND"-- And another problem is that Sanat says that his "best friend" Rasal could not help the ISKCON molestation issue "because he is smoking too much pot." Sanat's exact words. So, another "bunker mentality" is Sanat's best associate? No wonder then that so much molestation went on right under their noses with these two guys in the bunkers? Smoking pot as well? Oh, did we forget? Rasal was also "too busy to help contain the other ISKCON molesters" due to his own important work of --his own molesting-- having illicit sex with local devotee lady(s?) and making illegitimate children? Well, at least Harikesha wore condoms while he was sitting in his bunker waiting for WW III while having illicit sex?

Sanat now agrees that his "best friend Rasal" is not only a pot head who goes out and has illicit sex while he is already married to someone else (and Sanat and Rasal are having some weird parties no doubt since they are best pals?) but the baby(s?) produced by Sanat and Rasal's illicit sexual activity party cannot even be "legally claimed" to be Rasal's -- by Rasal? This is what is called simply "illegitimate children," by both devotees and karmis. Now Sanat says, with apparent great surprise, that the children in those situations are made to suffer. No kidding. That is what Srila Prabhupada says over and over. Yet this rule does not apply to Sanat's party?

No. This is the well known by-product of illicit sex, nevermind the highly advanced Vedas it is well known even in High School, namely illicit children, which Srila Prabhupada says is the action of the demons: they make illicit children --and then the child suffers. Why has Sanat never even read the books? This questionable progeny factor is mentioned millions of times? Even Mukunda passed this point by without taking notice? So Sanat admits that the "best friend on his team" is out there molesting, i.e. having illegitimate sex, and thus he is thus "too busy" to help ISKCON's teeny children from their molesting? That is, when their team is not too popped out on drugs? And in sum they are causing illicit progeny, which Srila Prabhupada says is no more and no less than "dog sex." So, Sanat's team is involved in dog sex, and drugs, and then they are out criticizing: holier-than-thou? That is the whole GBC disease in a nutshell.

And now this child, Sanat agrees, is going to suffer because the child is being told it has two, or more, different potential fathers? And we know this occurs all the time in these situations, since this is well known to anyone who has ever watched a soap opera on channel 3? Yet Sanat says his party is not involved in the dirty work, rather it is Nirmal who is the bad guy. Yet simultaneously, Sanat admits his party is the main one involved in the crime of creating illegal progeny, since Sanat admits that Nirmal could not have ANY sex and produce ANY children --at least so says Sanat? Make up yer mind dude, you are all over the map here?

In sum, who caused this child to come into this world and enter this mess by molestation/ illicit sex? Even Sanat says: it is his team, namely the Sanat/ Rasal team. And who is now being blamed for creating this problem by Sanat?: Nirmal Chandra? Who else? Because why? Well, he cannot have any sex, illicit or any sex? Says Sanat. Huh? Yes, Sanat says this man, who he says cannot even have any sex, is the prime cause of the illegal progeny problem? So this means that the problem was fully orignated and created by the Sanat/ Rasal team, at least as Sanat admits to such.

Why are they now blaming Nirmal? Why else? Because the Sanat/ Rasal team cannot keep their little willies in their pants --when they see women other than their own wife-- and they also have dope smoke wafting around, admits Sanat. And Sanat says he watched the ISKCON molestation going on and did not help because he had to "get on with his life," ummm, supporting another de facto molester with a room full of pot smoke, while waiting for WW III, is his "life"? Agreed. And that is "the life" of some of the ISKCON gurus, what kind of "life" is that? So he was simply following what the GBC leaders were doing.

C) DOG SEX IDENTIFICATION PROCESS-- Then Sanat says that his "best friend Rasal" is really the illegitimate kid's father --because "the child looks like him"? This is how we kids would try to tell "whose dog made the puppies" in third grade? "Looks like that perky mutt, horny Pete, has been doing his thang"! What kind of process of legal custody child identification is this? Sanat's, whose else? And Sanat has not even bothered to help Rasal try to establish that he is the legal father (if he is as he claims) and why is that? Well, maybe Rasal would have to fork over some child custody payments and lose his dope money, so he does not want to be the legal father? If he is the legal father, then that could be proven easily in a court? But Sanat does not like the courts, he rather wants to rant and rave and threaten to kill folks, just like the GBC gurus?

And worse, then Sanat tries to say that it is Nirmal who is having sex with dogs? Well, let us say that this wild allegation is true for the sake of argument. Why then does Sanat allow his "best friend's child" to be in a house where people are having sex with dogs? Sanat says that he "cares" for his friend and this kid, but he has done nothing to help save this kid from an alleged "dog sex" place? Or is it not the reverse, that Srila Prabhupada says that this Sanat/ Rasal illegitimate children program is: dog sex? Sanat says that Nirmal is having dog sex, but he has zero proof, whereas Srila Prabhupada directly says that the Sanat/ Rasal team is --directly-- dog sex? In sum, Sanat/ Rasal are the dog sex team, says Srila Prabhupada, yet Sanat says it is Nirmal, simultaneously, Sanat says that Nirmal cannot have ANY sex, dog or otherwise? Huh?

So Sanat supports actual dog sex, according to Srila Prabhupada, while making up unsubstantiated lies that others are having dog sex? Simultaneously, if there really is dog sex going on with his "best friend's" child's living situation, Sanat has taken no steps to save the child from that situation, rather he has boarded himself up to make plans for WW III to occur, with his new plan to mass kill millions of babies, meanwhile, totally ignoring his best friend's kid who is in a dog sex home? Huh?

Simultaneously, Sanat says that people who drum up a war while living in a bunker are demons like Satsvarupa, meanwhile Sanat is drumming for no less than WW III while living in a safe haven, like Harikesha was also doing? What is all of this? And in sum Sanat agrees and admits that his party are (a) the doped up sex fiends sector (b) who are dog sex fiends who produce illicit children and cause hell for those children (c) who hide out in bunkers and order regular city dweller citizens (i.e. babies) to do their fighting while (d) he and his best friend sit in a dope haze, meanwhile (e) he says he is Goddess Kali's boss and he can bark orders at her like a rabid dog --to launch fire and brimestone to mass kill babies and, (e) he says we should ALL fear Kali's chopper, meanwhile he is the most fearful person of Kali's chopper in the world, living in a bunker, to (f) hide his dope and sex fiend pal's crimes (which would include the GBC), oh well, you get the point? Is this true or not?

ys pd

SITES TO CHECK OUT:

* http://members.xoom.com/prabhupada/ new ISKCON reform page

Srila Prabhupada wanted to be poisoned?
* http://www.equalsouls.org/tkg

* PRABHUPADANUGA'S:
* Seattle, Wa (Dhamaghosa dasa 206-729-0111) dasdasdas@aol.com

* http://iskcontimeline.homepage.com Nandini's history site
* http://www.krishnabooks.org Krishna Books
* http://www.prabhupada.cc Prabhupada samkirtana site

* http://mitglied.lycos.de/pada/ (Pada's Newsletter Archive)
* http://www.krishna.org/ (S.P. REAL AUDIO download)
* http://members.xoom.com/manvantar/index.htm (Sulochana's Homepage) 
* http://www.vedabase.com/  (Vedabase)
* http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/das/articles.htm (DAS)
* http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/padaweb/puranjan.html (Puranjana's Site)

* POISON TAPE audio and pada newsletters: 
* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933 
* POISON TRANSCRIPT 
* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/19990519.htm 

* http://www.winink.com/tkg/  (Tamal Krishna)
* http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc   (GBC expose)
* gbc_108@hotmail.com  (e-mail)

* http://pages.infinit.net/pragosh/home.html  (FRENCH)
* http://www.unlimited-resources.com/anubhavananda.html  
* http://members.aol.com/gauridas (Gauridasa Pandita Dasa)
* http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/5708/  (SPANISH)
* http://www.com.org/hb/ptd/cyber_gurukula.htm)  (Cyber gurukula)
* http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/  (Rocana's site)
* http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/poison/poison.htm  (Poison issue)
* Vipramukhya and Jayadvaita's "illicit sex guru" rationalizations
* http://www.artnet.net/~yasoda/index.htm  [appointment tape fraud]
* http://www.gaura-nitai.net Gaura-Nitais Homepage Deutsch

* ISKCON WOMEN-PRABHUPADA'S TIME (by Jyotirmayi Devi Dasi)
* Polygamy In The Hare Krishna Movement (Pritha's Page)