RE: PADA'S MOST WANTED LIST
1) Srila Prabhupada and children
2) BECOME GURU
3) SRILA PRABHUPADA ON MP3
4) MAHAVEGAVATI WRITES
5) VAIRAGYA IS REQUIRED

Dear folks, PAMHO. AGTSP.

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Sriman Puranjan Prabhu: PAMHO, AGTSP, and Hare Krishna.
By now you must have read Adri Dharan Prabhu's recent message about how GBC is declaring war on him. In this regard please send out a message to the devotees to inform you where Tamal is, what he is doing and saying etc. Because Tamal is another crook doing things from behind the scene by instructing others.

You may include other crooks in your list asking devotees to send you info on them. Remember Dec 1997 when Tamal, JPS, and Hrdayananda met in Mexico City when poison issue came to light. So we should receive info on them and publicise to keep devotees informed.

YS- Gadadhar Dasa

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1) Srila Prabhupada and children

Dear Puranjan Prabhu,

I'd like to thank all the devotees who have e-mailed me with their contributions regarding Prabhupada's defence. I'd also like to ask that they keep them coming.

If you have any quotes or stories (however insignificant they may seem)about Srila Prabhupada and his dealings with mothers and children, please send them to me at yvendu@hotmail.com the idea is to build up a clear picture of what Srila Prabhupada intended for the children.

ys Yadu

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2) BECOME GURU

Dear PADA pamho agtSP

As a young man, our work often took us into the forest's of Orissa. At this time, Bhubaneswar was our base. It was no more than a village with only one concrete building (the home of Birmani Dutta, Congress Party rep; for the district), all other structures were made from chikna-mati (clay) and chatai (thatch). When we were called into the temple president's office (twenty-one-years later) and told that an iskcon mandir was being built there, we were truly surprised.

We were also informed that its builder (Gaura Govinda maharaja) was a renegade, he was a deviant who was trying to be independent from the gbc, and that he was preaching politics. Now, (we were told) he had made a proposal to visit our temple in Australia, with the (hidden) intention of recruiting bhaktas to help complete the building at Bhubaneswar. We were asked our opinion on whether or not the allocated stipend (for invited sannyasis) should be used to purchase his ticket. Presented with the news in such a way, we voted in the negative and vetoed his proposal. Needless to say; the decision haunted us for months after.

Anyway, about a year later, the problems between maharaja and the gbc were over (for most part) and he came for a visit. A pakka sadhu and an asli Prabhupada chela, maharaja impressed us more than any of the thousands of holy men we had seen or met in our youth. When his lecture was over, we approached him and introduced ourself. Speaking in Bengali (our native tongue), we asked if there was anything he needed. Instead of replying in Bengali (he could speak it well), maharaja asked me in Hindi to come upstairs. In his room, we again spoke to him in Bengali but he replied to our questions in Hindi.

Finally we gave in and the darsan was continued in Hindi. It was only much later that we realized; in the room were seated some western devotees who might possibly understand Bengali due to the influence of Caitanya Caritamrta, whereas a conversation in Hindi would go over their heads. Maharaja had had enough trouble with the mud-slinging gbc, he wanted no more. So here's a very important passage from that conversation with GG swami, and the reason for this letter:-

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada wanted the whole of ISKCON to be maintained by making more disciples, the question was: whose disciples would they be? The only archived conversations, recorded instructions, and legally written instructions (such as the July 9th letter) that he gave for his ISKCON society as a whole are: that he wanted his leaders to make disciples on his behalf. We also talked to GGM about this later and we told him we thought he was making a big mistake underwritng the other GBC as gurus, and in particular his defending Tamal and the Mayapura regime, and that these "gurus" were causing VASTLY more trouble with the guru label. He said that if he fought them they would kick him out of ISKCON. So I told him we are not a bricks and stones ISKCON, we are for the ideal only. Without the ideal, it is dead stones only. So let them kick you out of the bricks and stones, so what? But he would not agree to that. He did tell me I should take the GBC down however, although when the GBC wanted to remove Tamal (for his gopi rasika nonsense from associating with Narayana Maharaja) in around 1993, GGM stood up and defended keeping Tamal, which totally shocked and disappointed me. Later, when he departed, some of his English followers told me they thought he had been poisoned in Mayapura.]

When we heard maharaja say those words, the whole truth came rushing home. Srila Prabhupada was never confused about initiations. He knew exactly what He wanted, and He DID NOT WANT Tamala & co: to give diksa, otherwise He would have instructed them to TAKE DISCIPLES. In fact, Srila Prabhupada is very eloquent, He gives us essential knowledge and speaks it concicely. From all the presented facts, it is clear that HDG did not give the "eleven" the same instruction He gave GGs; "TAKE DISCIPLES." What he directed the eleven to do was :- "ON MY BEHALF."

Last week we met an old friend and he presented us with a book (Krsnalingita-vigrah, the life story of the late Gour Govinda maharaja), we were surprised to see the same thing mentioned there. Here is an excerpt:- Gaura Govinda swami: "As I was saying, He (Srila Prabhupada) drove them all out, you see, from that room. He called me; so many things He whispered in my ear. Yes, indicating the westerners, He said, (whispering), "These people have problems, they cannot stay here. They can't stay here. They will come and go, but they will help you;" he said, "You should have your own men, YOU SHOULD ACCEPT DISCIPLES, train them; otherwise how can you manage?" He told me like this, that was in 1977. "YOUR OWN MEN, train them, otherwise how can you manage?" He said this in that room over there (indicating the hut), only He and I, no one else was there; everybody out- out."

So the question here is: Why did Srila Prabhupada clear the room before giving this instruction to Gaura Govinda maharaja? Was it to stop the others from howling; " Me too!!. And what about me!!?" HDG was well aware of the ambitions of his "white elephants." SP: "I AM PRACTICALLY SEEING THAT AS SOON AS THEY BEGIN TO LEARN A LITTLE SANSKRIT IMMEDIATELY THEY FEEL THAT THEY HAVE BECOME MORE THAN THEIR GURU AND THEN THE POLICY IS KILL GURU......" He was also aware that His eager disciples were unqualified. SP: "ALL OF OUR STUDENTS WILL HAVE TO BECOME GURU, BUT THEY ARE NOT QUALIFIED. THIS IS THE DIFFICULTY." This letter was written in Nov: ' 75, so how is it that His disciples (miraculously) became qualified only two years later? And why (contrary to all presented evidence; The Will, May 28th tapes, July 9th letter, forty-five days of missing tapes, etc) did they don the mantle of acaryas, especially since they knew; SP: "AND THROUGHOUT MY WHOLE LIFE I DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS ILLICIT SEX, INTOXICATION, MEAT EATING OR GAMBLING. SO FAR MY PRESENT LIFE IS CONCERNED I DO NOT REMEMBER ANY PART OF MY LIFE WHEN I WAS FORGETFUL OF KRSNA."

That's right folks, He NEVER took Betty Boo back-o'- the- gym on prom night. He NEVER scoffed mama's Sunday roast with gravy potatoes. He NEVER toked on a bong or took a punt on the nags. He is eternally pure, because He represents eternal purity. So we cannot believe that He was ever senile, His instructions were clear: SP: "YES A SIKSA GURU IS ANYONE WHO CAN GIVE SPIRITUAL ADVANCEMENT. YOU TAKE INSTRUCTIONS FROM MY BOOKS- AND IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND ANY PORTION OF THE BOOKS, THEN YOU CAN GET IT EXPLAINED BY ANY SENIOR DEVOTEE.......ANY SENIOR DEVOTEE CAN BE AN INSTRUCTOR." So what need is there for any unauthorized, unqualified, daksina-collecting-kanguru? SP: "YOU HAVE WRITTEN THAT THE DEVOTEES HERE SAY THAT YOU CANNOT KNOW ME BUT ONLY KIRTANANDA CAN KNOW ME. BUT IF KIRTANANDA IS A DISCIPLE AND HE CAN KNOW ME, AND YOU ARE A DISCIPLE WHY YOU CANNOT KNOW ME?" Herein lies the truth.

By presenting themselves as 'acaryas' and saying that Srila Prabhupada is "DEAD", gbc iskcon is doing what Kirtananda was doing. And just like Kirtananda; these self-appointed tax-collectors (who stand like vultures at the doorway to SP's lotus feet), will be castrated at the gateway to Patalaloka in due course of time. Thank you for taking the time.

Dandavats & pranams SGd

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3) SRILA PRABHUPADA ON MP3

Dear Puranjana Prabhu,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

I just purchased a "Tavarua Portable MP3-ROM Audio Player/CD-ROM Audio Player" from Computer Geeks in California (http://www.compgeeks.com/cgi-bin/details.asp?cat=Drives&sku=205-3333) for US$99 plus shipping. I also added a set of three CD-R disks in jewel cases to the order for an extra US$1.45.

I am extremely pleased with this purchase. Both items work very well. Krishna, by His infinite mercy, has given us a technology that is the greatest boon to devotees since the audio cassette! Assuming that you use the maximum amount of storage that this particular MP3 player can handle (650M or 74 minutes) and an average compression ratio of 10 to 1, one CD-ROM can hold over 12 hours of CD quality, stereo music!

Here are the calculations: 74 minutes times 10 divided by 60 minutes per hour = 12 1/3 hours (74*10/60=12.33). Although the player requires that all MP3 files be recorded at a sampling rate of 44.1, which is standard, the bit rate can be anything between 32 and 192. The above calculations assume that all of the songs use the standard bit rate for stereo music of 128. For speech, a slower bit rate, such as 32 could probably be used. This would result in a maximum of approximately 48 hours on one CD-ROM! I'm not sure whether or not MP3 files can be recorded in one track monophonic, but if they can, this should result in another doubling of the capacity: 4 days of speech on one CD!

Can you imagine having 12 hours of Srila Prabhupada's songs and purports, or 48 hours of lectures and conversations on one CD? A CD that can be played on an extremely lightweight, battery operated MP3 player, which can easily be carried with you wherever you go? The player can even be outfitted with two "AA" sized rechargeable batteries, as the player has a built-in charger!

The player also has a line out jack, so you can easily play it through your stereo system's AUX input using an inexpensive cable (Radio Shack Cat. No. 42-2475A). Assuming that the average length of a song is 3.7 minutes, and that one CD-ROM can hold 74 x 10 minutes, this means that 200 songs can fit on one CD-ROM! I tried a CD-ROM of karmi music, which had 208 MP3 format songs on it, but the player could only find the first 82 of them. This is because all of the 208 files were in the same folder, and the CD-ROM was created using Adaptec Easy CD-Creator 3.5. The documentation that comes with the MP3 player claims that this problem has been fixed with Easy CD-Creator version 4.0.

In the mean time, the songs can be placed in three or more separate folders with each folder containing 82 or fewer files. Then the player will automatically find all of the songs. The documentation also says to record the CDs using "Mode-1" (CDROM), not "Mode-2" (CDROM/XA), but my experience is that it doesn't make any difference.

I am hoping that, in the future, I will be able to supply the worldwide community of devotees with all of Srila Prabhupada's recordings in this format, so stay tuned!

Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa
pratyatosa@hotmail.com

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4) MAHAVEGAVATI WRITES

Dear SGd prabhu and other devotees,

Hare Krsna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. Please accept my fallen obeisances. I hope all is well. SGd prabhu asked, "Why is it that 'Krsna's army' is not making any attempt to clear the name of Sri Krsna's Commander-in-Chief (Srila Prabhupada) from the Turley affair?"

[PADA: The answer to that is simple. The people who are fighting this war for Srila Prabhupada are army charioteers like Mahavegavati dd. And Sanat just now said that she and her readers are worms in stools, so much is his respect for Srila Prabhupada's army and other members of that army who also happen to like Mahavegavati? He wants to insult if not kill Srila Prabhupada's army members? All that because Mahavegavati goes out on the field to fight for Srila Prabhupada and does not hide in a bunker waiting for WW III. So, the real question here is: why is Sanat harassing and trying to get beaten, Krishna's army members, and in sum he is defending the GBC and imitating their mysogynist ways? Later, we can ask Sanat why he created this Turley affair in the first place by supporting their homosexual guru lineage, but he should answer the above point first.]

MVD: Because Krsna's army fought on the side of Duryodhana, AGAINST the PURE devotees, the Pandavas. Mad woman herself, (the commander of Chakra), criticizes Srila Prabhupada. Well, after seeing SGd prabhu's letter, I wanted to know who "Bhakta Burfy" was, so I went to the perverted wheel and looked. Well, I guess "Bhakta Burfy" is a good summation of what constitutes the mentality behind the people who do Chakra. Excellent representation. (Maybe they should use Bhakta Burfy as their mascot-logo.)

PS: I've noticed that Beer Kirshner's behavior represents that of quite a number of these SINyasi "gurus" (googoos, goofuses) who either end up breaking up their disciples marriages due to their involvement with the female disciple, or - as in this particular case - their involvement with a woman before she may have chosen to marry someone. Why these guys (the SINyasis) don't just be honest and ACKNOWLEDGE their propensity towards a relationship with a woman, I don't know, other than 1) They can enjoy more than one woman if they are not married 2) They can still enjoy the name, fame, money and position that they have being SINyasis 3) They can enjoy their Maha plates 4) They can be met and greeted (garlanded and whatever "royal" treatment they can get) at the airport 5) They can still travel all over the world 6) And they don't have to be responsible to anyone for anything. (There are other things that I can add, but I'm sure you can think of so many more as well.)

I remain your servant,

Mahavegavati Dasi Hare Krsna

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3) VAIRAGYA IS REQUIRED

THEY SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN ANY SALARY. THAT IS VERY BAD. THIS IS AGAINST PRINCIPLE. Srila Prabhupada wanted a BRAHMANICAL system in ISKCON but the so called Srila Prabhupada disciples have made it a SUDRA institution by paying hugh salaries to key men such as Temple presidents. Another hidden agenda is ----they have opened up charities under different names--- the sole purpose being to EXPLOIT the society ---TAX FREE. Many so called devotees OWN a few houses, BIG bank balances, nice cars.

[PADA: Sounds like what folks thing about Los Angeles temple leaders.]

Conversation: Vairagya, Salaries, and Political Etiquette April 28, 1977, Bombay Prabhupada: Niskincanasya. One who has decided that "This world is useless. I have to take birth repeatedly and accept different types of bodies and suffer." Body means... Those who have understood this fact and disgusted, so bhakti line is for them. One who has the tendency to enjoy this material world, and they are taking advantage of God, "Give me good wife, give me good work, good meal, good enjoyment," they are not in the bhakti line. They are in the very nascent stage.

Tamala Krsna: Nescient stage?

Prabhupada: Lower stage. Vairagya-vidya-nija-bhakti-yogam. That... There is one verse written by Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya. What page I don't... Siksartham. The bhakti-yoga, nija-bhakti-yoga... Bhakti-yoga means devotion to Krsna. And that is vairagya-vidya, how to learn, renounce this world. Otherwise why Caitanya Mahaprabhu gave up His grhastha life? He's the same person. Why Rupa Gosvami gave up their ministership? By their personal behavior they are showing this is not required. This is vairagya-vidya. So under the circumstances, those who have no vairagya, they cannot live in the temple. They are taking advantage of the temple facilities for their sense enjoyment. Do you understand?

Tamala Krsna: Yes, I do.

Prabhupada: So that should be stopped. So to live with wife, together as a grhastha, and enjoy grhastha life, at the same time to live in temple, this should be discouraged. Temple is meant for brahmacari and sannyasi, our, mainly, not for grhastha, because they have got inclination to enjoy. To live with wife means enjoyment. They'll have sex. This should be discouraged. But one who is absolutely required, they also cannot be allowed to live together. It is badly done(?). Suppose if one is grhastha, he is in devotional service, but he has no money to look after his wife. In that case the wife can live in the temple but separately with women, not together. Together living is very disturbing. It is not at all recommended. Give this point. At least, this should not be encouraged.

Tamala Krsna: Generally in our temples, within the temple building no grhasthas live together, but in the temple compound, that is to say, around the temple, there may be other buildings. There they live together. But it's...

Prabhupada: No, I am speaking, within the temple.

Tamala Krsna: I think practically all over the society that has been stopped, the grhastha living together with wife. I don't think there's any case like that. But in the adjoining buildings they might be...

Prabhupada: Adjoining buildings... But the temple should not provide them with salary to enjoy their life. That is same thing.

Tamala Krsna: Generally the temples are providing them with apartments, like that.

Prabhupada: But that is temple.

Tamala Krsna: Yeah.

Prabhupada: Just like we have got so many tenants. They are living in their own. But they have no connection with the temple, neither the temple is paying them or... No, they are earning their own way.

Tamala Krsna: In other words, if the temple provides an apartment, it's the same as paying a salary.

Prabhupada: Hm?

Tamala Krsna: In other words, giving an apartment is the same thing as providing a salary.

Prabhupada: All right, apartment can be... But what is this? They are given high salary. Because his service is essential--"All right, you take apartment."

Tamala Krsna: But not...

Prabhupada: YOU TAKE PRASADAM. BUT WHY SALARY? WHERE IS THE QUESTION OF SALARY? WHERE IS VAIRAGYA, RENOUNCEMENT? SO IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES THE SALARY PROCESS SHOULD BE STOPPED. ONE WHO WANTS SALARY, HE CAN WORK OUTSIDE.

Tamala Krsna: Actually, even if you don't give a salary, if you give an apartment and you give food and you give all these other things for someone to maintain his household life...

Prabhupada: Because his service is essential.

Tamala Krsna: But that has to be determined very strictly.

Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. Whether his service is absolutely required? So you give him.

Tamala Krsna: That is the factor. That point must be clearly acknowledged.

Prabhupada: Hm hm. So he's trying to practice... Because sevonmukhe, if he gives service, then gradually he'll renounce. Sevonmukhe hi jihvadau svayam eva sphuraty adah. God realization means service. The more you give service to the Lord, the more you become advanced in devotional... So one who is giving service, dedicated life, so maybe... But no salary. They may live in the temple, woman separate, man separate.

Tamala Krsna: They're... But the actual thing is that they're being, living together in an apartment, and the temple is paying for that apartment. They're not living separately in the temple. They're being...

Prabhupada: That is to be discouraged. What do you think?

Giriraja: I agree.

Prabhupada: In Los Angeles it is very freely going on. In the name of Vaisnavism they are drawing salary, living comfortably, having sense enjoyment. This is not good, not at all. So you all high officers, you think over it and do the needful.

Tamala Krsna: Vairagya should be cultivated.

Prabhupada: Vairagya... Caitanya Mahaprabhu says clearly that niskincanasya bhagavad-bhajanonmukhasya. The bhagavad-bhajana, to become devotee of the Lord, means he's disgusted with this material world. For him, bhagavad-bhajana. Just like if I become disgusted with something, I require some change, similarly, bhagavad-bhajana is for him who is absolutely disgusted with this material world. And anyone who has got little interest in material enjoyment, he's not fit for bhagavad-bhajana. He'll have to accept again this material body, either he becomes Brahma or becomes an ant in the stool, according to his karma. Karmana daiva-netrena jantur deha-upapattaye. He'll have to develop certain type of body according to his desire of enjoyment. This is nature's law. Then where is the question of going back to home, back to Godhead? Why so many varieties of life? There is Brahma, and there is ant in the stool. So vairagya-vidya-nija... Vasudeve bhagavati bhakti-yogah prayojitah, janayaty asu vairagyam. And vairagyam means jnanam ca. When one is in full knowledge that "To remain in this material world is useless for me"--jnanam--"I am simply wasting my time by repetition of birth and death," then he can have vairagya. "Stop this!" If this sense is not awakened, there is no bhakti. It is not so easy. Brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati. That is vairagya. So vairagya-vidya... Otherwise why big, big persons, they renounced everything? Bharata Maharaja, young man, the emperor of the whole world, gave up everything. Caitanya Mahaprabhu personally teaches, young man, good, beautiful wife, young wife, so affectionate mother, so much honor in the society, Nimai Pandita, so beautiful body... Tyaktva sudustyaja-surepsita-rajya-laksmim. Surepsita. Caitanya Mahaprabhu's position was, even the demigods, they desired such family life. But He still gave up. That is teaching. Therefore Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya says, vairagya-vidya-nija-bhak..., siksartham: "to teach others." He understood that in order to teach others vairagya-vidya... He is the Supreme Person. Vairagya-vidya-nija-bhakti-yoga-siksartham ekah purana-purusah: "That He was, Supreme Lord. Now He has appeared as Sri Krsna Caitanya."Sarira-dhari: "He has accepted one body as Sri Krsna Caitanya." So these things should be stopped, that they should live comfortably with husband and wife, children, and take salary from the... You decide. This is not to our... Besides that, in our BBT it is clearly written that "Fifty percent for printing book, and fifty percent for..." SO YOU CANNOT VIOLATE THIS. THOSE WHO CAN GIVE VOLUNTARY SERVICE, "WELCOME." OTHERWISE WE DON'T REQUIRE. AT LEAST THEY SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN ANY SALARY. THAT IS VERY BAD. THIS IS AGAINST PRINCIPLE.

Tamala Krsna: I was reading the life sketch of Bhaktivinoda Thakura. He always maintained a government service job, and still...

Prabhupada: He gave so much service to Krsna. From his family maintenance... He could have renounced, but he said that the family has to be maintained. So he... Markata-vairagya. Bhaktivinoda Thakura was against giving sannyasa. He didn't like these babajis. They were markata-vairagya, superficially... Markata-vairagya means monkey. They live naked, eat fruits, live in the jungle. That is vairagya. But three dozen wives. Markata-vairagya. Markata means monkey. Superficially vairagya, naga-baba. They eat vegetables, fruits, live in the jungle, no house, or, all, everything like vairagya. But sex. We have... I have seen in Vrndavana. They have got a party, each monkey, women's party, and the male will come to any female, "Now ready," "Enter." You can see it. Markata-vairagya nahi paraloka dasaya(?).So this should not be encouraged. Then gradually it will deteriorate into...

Tamala Krsna: The Christians had that happen to them.

Prabhupada: Hm?

Tamala Krsna: The Christian religion had that deterioration. Everything deteriorated more and more into sense gratification.

Prabhupada: Because they have no valid philosophy. It is simply official. They have nothing, no knowledge, no nothing, simply that dress and cloth. That's all.

Tamala Krsna: Just like the original... When Jesus was there and he had twelve disciples, they simply gave up everything and traveled with him and tried to preach. So they were renunciates, living simply whatever they could take, nothing more, and devoting their lives to God. But the followers later on, more and more they added the degree of sense gratification, till now you can't see any renunciation at all within their order.

Prabhupada: No, they are drinking. They are having homosex. They are encouraging homosex, giving man-to-man marriage. You know that? This is going on. Doing everything nonsense.

Giriraja: Actually their leader...

Prabhupada: And they are concluding that they cannot stop committing sins and Jesus Christ will take account for them. Therefore it is very good religion, that "We can do whatever nonsense we like, and if we keep our faith in Jesus Christ, then we are saved." Papa-buddhih, namno balad papa-buddhih. Great offenders. So what news?

Giriraja: Well, the reason I came up is I'm going to try to phone Mr. Rajda now.

Prabhupada: Hm?

Giriraja: Going to try to phone Mr. Rajda. And considering that the Prime Minister may not have that much time... We had discussed that he should come here to meet you, but suppose if we fix up, say, a minimum time if he can't come here, say at least a half hour undisturbed, something like that, is it possible to fix in the city or we should just insist that...

Prabhupada: Hm?

Tamala Krsna: He's suggesting that if the Prime Minister can't give that much time, whether you would go to see him? Actually, if you give the idea that Prabhupada wants to see him in the morning hours...

Giriraja: Yeah, I'm going to.

Tamala Krsna: I mean, if he says that that's not possible...

Prabhupada: That is not respectful.

Giriraja: No.

Tamala Krsna: Not at all respectful.

Prabhupada: Then he does not know how to honor a saintly person. It is useless to meet him. If he has no respect for saintly person, if he thinks greater than saintly person, then he's useless.

Tamala Krsna: Then nothing will come of it, anyway. And if we give this opportunity, that he come in the morning, if he...

Prabhupada: No, no, apart from that, if he has got that sense, that "I am very big man, so everyone should come here," he's useless. We cannot do anything with him.

Giriraja: That's what I thought.

Prabhupada: Very beginning is...

Giriraja: On the wrong foot.

Tamala Krsna: No, he has to come to see you, Srila Prabhupada. Oh, there's so many examples in the sastra of great personalities.

Prabhupada: Even Caitanya Mahaprabhu refused to see, what to speak of going there.

Giriraja: I agree with you.

Prabhupada: Even big, big kings, Akbar, Mansingh, they used to, used to come to Rupa Gosvami.

Giriraja: No, I agree with you completely.

Prabhupada: Did... He demanded like that?

Giriraja: No. When I spoke to Mr. Rajda I said that the Prime Minister should come here, and Mr. Rajda agreed. But just now, when I... I just spoke to Gopala. I was on my way to make the call. So he said that I should just ask you about this.

Prabhupada: Hm?

Giriraja: I was just going to phone, and I mentioned to Gopala Krsna Prabhu that I was going to make this call. So I said that, you know, the Prime Minister was going to be coming here, so he... And I said that I also, in the call I wanted to make that very clear so there was no mistake. And he said that, well, he might be too busy to come here and that he...

Prabhupada: Gopala said.

Giriraja: Yeah. So I thought it would be better just to...

Prabhupada: No, there is no question of.

Giriraja: Yeah. No, I agree completely. I mean, you're millions and billions of times greater than anyone, so there's no question...

Prabhupada: No, apart from that, if one has no proper respect for a saintly person, he's useless man. You cannot have any benefit. Or neither he can derive any benefit.

Giriraja: Yeah.

Tamala Krsna: From all sides.

Giriraja: Because he'll think he has nothing to learn, that he is already in the best position.

Prabhupada: And we don't require any from, anything from them, but for the whole human society's welfare we can suggest him, "Do like this." That is our... But we don't require anything from them.

Giriraja: I know that. This is your...

Prabhupada: Of course, sometimes we are in difficulty. We ask them something.

Tamala Krsna: But that's their duty, anyway. Ksatriyas should provide protection for the saintly person.

Giriraja: Anyway, our real protector is Krsna.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Giriraja: He has... Because we've seen so many difficulties. Nobody could see any solution, but...

Prabhupada: That one Caitanya Mahaprabhu's devotee was ordered to be hanged.

Giriraja: I didn't know that.

Prabhupada: Gopinatha Pattanayaka.

Tamala Krsna: Yeah.

Prabhupada: All the devotees approached Caitanya Mahaprabhu, thinking that "He must... The king will excuse him." He never agreed. "Oh, I cannot do that. If he has done something wrong, then let him..." Of course, he was saved and protected by Caitanya Mahaprabhu's good wish, but He never agreed. These are some of the examples that... Simply depend on Krsna. But if they are actually respectful, we can ask them. There is... But if it is difficult job... Visayinam sandarsanam atha yosit... We cannot keep so strictly, but these are the principles taught by Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

Giriraja: So that principle about living together and salary...

Prabhupada: That is...

Giriraja: That is meant to apply everywhere in the society.

Prabhupada: Oh, yes. This is exploitation of the society.

Giriraja: I know. Since I've been preaching more, I've been able to see how much labor and endeavor is going in just to maintain so many idle people. I know you've been saying this for a long time, and now, you know, I feel the strength to actually change that, that only those who are really sincere workers can stay.

Prabhupada: OTHERWISE NO NEED. WE NEED THEIR SERVICE, BUT NOT BY BEING SALARIED. THAT IS NOT GOOD. (end)

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But they do not know. They want that "I shall go at ten o'clock in the office, and I shall do nothing. Simply I shall take the pen and make like this and take my salary." That's all. Cheating. This is going on. Therefore the whole system is polluted. Nobody's doing his duty. Catur-varnyam maya srstam guna-karma... According to one's quality, one must work. But nobody wants to work. So therefore they are sudras. They are working, but at the care of somebody else. Not independently. Now the school, college, the teacher is also depending on salary. So they are sudras. So what teaching they will give? TEACHING IS THE BUSINESS OF THE BRAHMANA. NO SALARY.

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Your American embassy is also there. So he was a great politician. But still, he was living in a cottage. He was not accepting any salary because he was brahmana. BRAHMANA CANNOT ACCEPT ANY SALARY. Just like you have accepted me as your acarya, but you do not pay me any salary. This is forbidden. The teacher will not accept salary. Then he comes down to the sudra platform. The sudra accepts salary. "I serve you, you pay me." And the brahmana will distribute knowledge freely, and the ksatriya will give protection to the brahmana. This is the system of Vedic system.

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Regarding the restaurant, why they should get salary? THERE SHOULD BE NO SALARY. You are working without salary, so why they should take. They are not very important men. So after this month arrange for no one to get any salary there. That will be nice.

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Prabhupada: So this Canakya Pandita was a great politician and brahmana. And as brahmana, he was vastly learned. He has got some moral instruction. They're very valuable, still going on. In India school children are taught. So this Canakya Pandita, although he was prime minister, he maintained his brahminical spirit. HE WAS NOT ACCEPTING ANY SALARY, YES, BECAUSE FOR BRAHMANAS TO ACCEPT SALARY, IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT HE BECOMES A DOG.

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Bhagavan: Yes. No one is getting any salary here, they are just working and taking...

Prabhupada: YES, THAT'S ALL. WHY SALARY? KRSNA'S SERVANT. WE ARE ETERNAL SERVANT. THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF OUR INSTITUTION. WE HAVE NO HIRED MEN. UNLESS ONE IS SINCERE, WHY HE'LL WORK? What is the time now?

SITES TO CHECK OUT:

* http://www.domgbc.org new GBC reform page
* http://members.xoom.com/prabhupada/ new ISKCON reform page

Srila Prabhupada wanted to be poisoned?
* http://www.equalsouls.org/tkg

* PRABHUPADANUGA'S:
* Seattle, Wa (Dhamaghosa dasa 206-729-0111) dasdasdas@aol.com

* http://iskcontimeline.homepage.com Nandini's history site
* http://www.krishnabooks.org Krishna Books
* http://www.prabhupada.cc Prabhupada samkirtana site

* http://mitglied.lycos.de/pada/ (Pada's Newsletter Archive)
* http://www.krishna.org/ (S.P. REAL AUDIO download)
* http://members.xoom.com/manvantar/index.htm (Sulochana's Homepage) 
* http://www.vedabase.com/  (Vedabase)
* http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/das/articles.htm (DAS)
* http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/padaweb/puranjan.html (Puranjana's Site)

* POISON TAPE audio and pada newsletters: 
* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933 
* POISON TRANSCRIPT 
* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/19990519.htm 

* http://www.winink.com/tkg/  (Tamal Krishna)
* http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc   (GBC expose)
* gbc_108@hotmail.com  (e-mail)

* http://pages.infinit.net/pragosh/home.html  (FRENCH)
* http://www.unlimited-resources.com/anubhavananda.html  
* http://members.aol.com/gauridas (Gauridasa Pandita Dasa)
* http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/5708/  (SPANISH)
* http://www.com.org/hb/ptd/cyber_gurukula.htm)  (Cyber gurukula)
* http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/  (Rocana's site)
* http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/poison/poison.htm  (Poison issue)
* Vipramukhya and Jayadvaita's "illicit sex guru" rationalizations
* http://www.artnet.net/~yasoda/index.htm  [appointment tape fraud]
* http://www.gaura-nitai.net Gaura-Nitais Homepage Deutsch

* ISKCON WOMEN-PRABHUPADA'S TIME (by Jyotirmayi Devi Dasi)
* Polygamy In The Hare Krishna Movement (Pritha's Page)