Dear NNV, pammho. agtsp.
Sorry, we just wanted to make a few points here:

(1) Many folks think that your party seems to want to stop pada, in fact we know it, since your party has been openly asking to get us killed by your party's "violence against pada" promoting rhetoric. Which means, you are de facto discrediting our 1997 emphasis on the poison case, saying we are not only cranks, but evil people who need to be killed, and our body parts should be fed to dogs? OK. Your party is thus discrediting those of us who are not only pursuing the poison case, but those of us who launched it in ISKCON in 1997, which is, even legally, exactly like acting as defense lawyers for the poisoners? This has been pointed out to us by a number of devotees who keep asking us, why you are acting as the star detractors of pada, and thus the poison case, since that means Tamal and co., and no one else, benefits from your actions?

"The plaintiffs, witnesses, counter-defense has no credibility." That is exactly what you are saying, and that means you are giving the poisoners what they really want: to stifle and discredit the poison case, and add credibility to their case. All the GBC has to do is say, see Narayanarayan, Sanat, Mukunda, they say pada should be killed because he is so bogus, so see, we said that the poison thing is crazy and these guys confirm that. So that is all you are doing here, you are boosting the poisoner's credibility, as has been pointed out to us by a number of devotees. Either that, or pada says this poison case is a serious matter, the most serious crime we have uncovered so far, and you are making a big joking circus out of it, let us kill the party that brought this out, hey, hey, hey. So either way, you are acting as the star legal defense team for the poisoners. They also laugh about this issue by the way, and say exactly what you say, let us kill pada and feed him to the dogs. So you are simply one of their best agents right now, as has been pointed out to us by a number of devotees. In sum, the GBC loves you guys. Of course Adri has done a similar type of thing but not so severe since he has his Bristish more polished barking team, yet they still admit they lick CHAKRA's boots, and they too are against and discredit the poison case. Hmmmm, a pattern?

(2) In any legal matter, if you discredit the people who are bringing out a criminal point, then who benefits? Only one party, the criminals. And so you are acting as the de facto legal defense team of the poisoners. Not only that, you are acting as their bully boy threateners, and so on. So you are doing what the poisoners of the pure devotee have wanted all along, to bully and discredit those of us who are bringing out the poison case. You are even better than their own servants in this regard. And so we wanted to caution you on that. You will not get any good reaction for your continuing to suppress the poison issue, and indeed harass and threaten those people who are attempting to bring it out, and in sum you are de facto defending the poisoners. Adri has made himself out to be almost one of the same as the GBC as well by his doing that, so it also does not promote cohesion among the dissenters?

(3) If you are discrediting a person who is trying to focus any legal case, then you beneifit the people he is trying to expose in that legal case, and no one else is benefits, as some devotees are pointing out? Even devotees with some legal sense. So in this case, the people you are benefitting are the poisoners of a pure devotee, that is all we are saying. You have similarly discredited Nityananda, who has made the only detailed book which gathers such evidences. So, now you say the main body of written evidence is also bunk, toss that out too. Discrediting the only written collection of the evidence? Again in this regard, you are acting as the poisoner's defense attorneys, as has been pointed out by devotees with legal experence. Indeed, the GBC could cite you and your pal Sanat in a court case as to why the case is invalid, as one legal devotee pointed out.

(4) We also said in 1997 that this poison case should be made into a formal legal case, and it should be pursued in India. For that we needed funding and emphasis, and again you tossed another major wrench into that effort and focus. You openly said that the poison suit should NOT be the emphasis, but rather we should instead launch is a lawsuit that will cost ten or twenty times more, against a Texas law firm? So we are trying to make a focus on the poison case as the primary thing, and you are saying, no, let us instead raise a half million dollars for something else, not at all related to the poison case? Even if you can defeat Windle Turley at a cost of a half a million, as you are proposing, that will do nothing to settle the poison case. You are diverting the main focus, again, which benefits you know who! Why?

So why are you always diverting from the main case, not only that, you party is so foolish that you have no idea that the poison case is the root of the molesting case. And that by resolving the poison case, the molester case will be correctly understood as an extension of the devious plots of these leaders. You say no, let us go after the symptoms and not the root. This is also, even from a legal view, very foolish especially for people with limited resources.

(5) In sum, you are: a) trying to discredit the poison case by discrediting those of us who are bringing it out. In fact we were the only person in LA who brought it out AT ALL with tapes, transripts and so on, i.e. you did not do this job, b) discredit the only book which assembled the evidence, c) try to get the people who are bringing it out bullied and threatened, d) divert the money for a poison case to a fantastically expensive diversion which will not even solve or even address the poison case, and so on and so forth? And in sum you are way better than the GBC in muddling and stifling the poison case? You are doing their dirty work for them, as has been pointed out to us by a number of devotees.

(6) You told us in Los Angeles that you and Svavasa are good friends. You are good friends with the upholders of the worship of homosexual pedophiles as God's successors, poisoners as God's successors, ad infinitum, but you are not friendly with us? You are indeed friendly with the guy who has a pack of goons on the sidewalk who will beat the crap out of devotee passers by? You are friendly with a guy who licks the boots of the poisoners? So, is there a pattern here? Then you said you could not speak out too much or your kids would get kicked out of the temple housing.

So, you are motivated to protect Svavasa, telling us no wonder since he is your landlord. Well, we do not defend these people for any reason. So now you, after you admit you cannot speak or get in trouble with your big authorities there, you join with Sanat, who says we should be killed, and so now you are all good buddies? You, Sanat, Svavasa, a good team, and you all say: get rid or pada, discredit pada etc. Well, that is what the GBC has said all along? Is there a pattern here? And we do not even care personally, but you are purposefully making a monkey wrench in the poison case and that is very frustrating for us, what to speak of utterly disgusting. And after Sanat said let us kill pada, you said he is a great maharathi? That is what Svavasa tells his goons EVERY DAY? Yes, you are all good buddies?

thanks ys pd
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2) DINADAYADRI
Subject: Potency
To: angel108b@yahoo.com
X-Mailer: Unknown sub 111

Dear Puranjan prabhu,

Please accept my most humble obeisances. All glories to His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada! I want to commend you again on the excellence and potency of the letters and articles you have been running recently. It's as if by your relentless churning over all these years, the truth is finally beginning to rise to the top for all to see. And what we can see clearly is that the organization that has been calling itself ISKCON for the past 30 years is not ISKCON at all but a branch of the Gaudiya Matha, replete with its false appointed acharyas, its homosexual "gurus", and the general criminal and abusive mentality of its adherents. I was talking to one Godsister the other day, and we came to the conclusion that those people who remain affiliated with that pseudo-ISKCON organization now behave and speak as if they are possessed by ghosts and demons.

I also wanted to clarify the point I was trying to make in my letter that you printed on 11/25. I was saying that the source of all the deviations in ISKCON could be traced back to the "original sin" of absorbing the manner of performing congregational chanting of the Hare Krsna Mahamantra from our enemies in the Gaudiya Matha. Instead of heeding Srila Prabhupada's grave early warnings against drinking such "milk touched by the lips of a serpent," this vat of seething, poisoned milk was drunk in as if it were nectar and we can now see the disastrous results of this fatal mistake. It's not that I was merely lamenting the fading away of Hari Nama Sankirtan in my last letter. I was lamenting the loss, by our own foolish choice, of our greatest protection against the vigorous onslaughts of Srimate Maya-devi hurled against our fledgling spiritual society in order to test our mettle -- that protection being, of course, the Yuga-dharma Hari Nama Sankirtan AS IT IS, as it was imparted to us through the pure transcendental sound vibration of our beloved Guru Maharaja, his Divine Grace Srila A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. So to begin doing Hari Nama Sankirtan again is not enough -- it must be performed the way Srila Prabhupada taught us, not the way the Gaudiya Matha taught us, in order for it to have much effect. This would be such an easy and enjoyable thing to do, I don't really understand why there remains so much resistance to this idea. I am convinced that if devotees worldwide began performing mass, fully potent sankirtan yajnas following in our own Srila Prabhupada's footsteps, that we could very quickly make great gains in clearing the atmosphere of the polluting effects of all the deviations that have taken place.

Plus, this would clear the minds and consciousness of all devotees so that they would be able to figure out the best next step to take to rectify things. Plus it would have a tremendous unifying effect on all sincere devotees. You yourself have pointed out many times that your humble reform efforts have not been able to gather much steam over all these years despite your continued herculean efforts. So I'm just saying, why not give this a try? It certainly won't hurt anyone, and it just might work! And it doesn't have to start on a mass scale. Devotees could begin in the privacy of their homes and it could spread naturally form there. I also want to clarify that I am talking specifically about the formal sankirtan yajnas we perform, traditionally in the temple in front of the Deities and out on the streets for the benefit of all the poor conditioned souls. I am not commenting on the personal artistic expressions some devotees like to make with modern instruments like guitars, and then add Hare Krsna chanting to it. That is their own affair, and I am not seeking to criticize them. I am really not seeking to criticize anyone, but rather to propose a simple yet most potent means to set things right. Hare Krsna.

Your servant and sister,
Dinadayadri dasi

[PADA: Good point, one of the Sridhara sannyasis was in Santa cruz and the devotees wanted to do samkirtana, so he said what, that is what destroyed this movement, stay at home.]

SITES TO CHECK OUT:

* BOMBAY India: http://www.acbspn.com/

*Book For Sale "Someone Has Poisoned Me," You can get it from: New Jaipur Press/ POB 208/ Mayodan NC 27027 $10.00 requested donation

* Seattle, Wa (Dhamaghosa dasa 206-729-0111) dasdasdas@aol.com

* MONTREAL, Canada, Hasti Gopala Dasa (for details write to: hasti90@hotmail.com)

* BERKELEY California. Hare Krishna Youth, 510-389-3346 conducts regular harinam parties, arotikes, cooking classes, college preaching, Prabhupada video nights, and so on.

* NEW YORK "Prabhupada Sankirtana Society" Headquarters 48 Ave. B NY, NY 10009 (212) 674-0680, PSS108@juno.com

01) http://mitglied.lycos.de/pada/ pada newsletter archive
02) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933 Poison tape

03) Poison tape transcript:
03) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/19990519.htm
04) http://www.winink.com/tkg/ Poison whispers
05) www.prabhupada.cc Prabhupada samkirtana site
06) http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/padaweb/puranjan.html Puranjana's Site
07) http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc GBC expose
08) http://pages.infinit.net/pragosh/home.html French site
09) http://members.aol.com/gauridas Gauridasa's site
10) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/ Rocana's site
11) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/poison/poison.htm Poison issue
12) www.harekrsna.de "Hare Krsna Homepage" (German)
13) http://members.nbci.com/prabhupada/ ISKCON Reform (German)
14) German translation of Final Order (pdf)
14) http://members.nbci.com/prabhupada/final.htm
15) http://members.xoom.com/prabhupada/ (German Expose)
16) http://www.equalsouls.org/tkg Srila Prabhupada wanted to be poisoned?
17) http://www.surrealist.org/gurukula/ Nandini's history site
19) http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc/ GBC
20) "illicit sex guru" rationalizations:
20) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/iskcon/right.htm
21) http://www.artnet.net/~yasoda/index.htm Appointment tape fraud
22) http://www.asitis.com Original Bhagavad-gita As It Is
23) http://krsnabook.com Original Krsna Book
24) http://www.krishna.org Prabhupada Hare Krishna News Network
25) http://folio.bhaktivedanta.org S.P. Folio Infobase CD-ROM
26) http://realaudio.bhaktivedanta.org Prabhupada RealAudio Archive
27) http://mp3.bhaktivedanta.org Prabhupada MP3 Bhajans, 2 CD set

28) http://krsna.kgb.cz/hlavni.htm Prague Czech-devotees (english)
29) http://www.domgbc.org petition for new GBC
30) http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/das/articles.htm (DAS)
31) http://www.com.org/hb/ptd/cyber_gurukula.htm (Cyber gurukula)