1) HASTI GOPAL SPEAKS

Dear Prabhu please accept my humble obeisances all glories to Srila Prabhupada.
This letter in my title appeared Dec.5. You should check it out. I mean I don't have all the answers but I think it's time that KBI tell me what happened to the 1000$ US I sent them last spring 2000. I'm from Canada and it cost me 1500$CDN. There was supposed to be a printing of Easy Journey to Other Planets made from the floppy disc I sent. That was copied from an original 1959 version of that book done by Prabhupada. If there is not any forthcoming information to those that donated money for printing of the books on where are the books or where the money is, then a great deal strength will be lost and KBI will collapse. People talk. I have all along said that the best way to reprint the original books is for the PEOPLE to do it themselves, everywhere and the copyright be dammed. Looks like thats the way it will go in this 100 years war on Maya. So where is my money or better still where are the books?

your eternal servant,
Hasti Gopala Dasa

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2) NNV

Dear Pada,
Whatever Violence Sanat and Mukunda suggest ...I DO NOT SUPPORT IT ...The sad thing is YOU KNOW VERY WELL THAT I DO NOT SUPPORT SUCH VIOLENCE ...That is why I say that you LIE ...YOU ARE DELIBERATELY TRYING TO MISLEAD YOUR READERS ...AND I HOPE THAT THEY NOTE THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

[PADA: Well you said, after they threatened violence to us, that they are great maharathis, great warriors, (for threatening death to the Vaishnavas: us?). You are also saying herein (see below) that pada has "declared war on Srila Prabhupada," so you fully have proved our case, you are telling people we are Srila Prabhupada's enemy so: go get him boys! Kill him. So that means you are supporting their threats, because you are glorifying them for threatening us, and notice, they are not threatening the molesters, only us Vaishnavas? Ummm, these are your ideas of warriors? They have not threatened even one of the molesters, and so they are your pals? So we wonder why you say that people who support harassing Vaishnavas and de facto defending molesters are great fighters? And they are also fighting their own shadow because we have not launched an attack on them or you? You started all of this vicious rhetoric, not us? You are fighting with your own shadow?]

NNV das: NOT MY THREATS! ...You have staged a war against Srila Prabhupada. Would you not think that has earned you the title of "bum"? ...Your good work is burned to ash by your attacks on Srila Prabhupada and His Direction of Management.

[PADA: So now the truth comes out, again, you have been saying "pada is at war with Srila Prabhupada," indeed you say we want to attack him. That is what Jayatirtha said to us in 1978? That is what the Pope said about Martin Luther in 1517, he wants to attack Jesus. You guys are just too original! And does this rhetoric get people killed? Of course it does, as any five year old knows.

Anyway, that means you are trying to get us killed, just like we said. You are telling those guys: "pada hates Srila Prabhupada, he is at war with Srila Prabhupada, i.e. he is trying to kill Srila Prabhupada" that is also what you are spoon feeding to Sanat and co. So yes, you admit herein, you are trying to get us killed by the same rhetoric that was used by Sulochana's killer sabha, ooops, I mean your good friends like Svavasa. Yes, that is how your good friends like Svavasa and Sanat got Sulochana killed, same vicious rhetoric. You are judge, jury, executioner, of us, yet you say you are for us? No, you are Jackbooters to us and you are at least admitting this in public. You may have said pada is for Srila Prabhupada, maybe, but behind the scenes you are telling people "pada has declared war on Srila Prabhupada." That is the rhetoric that all cults use to get dissenter killed by the way, "Oh, Jimmy Jones protestor, he hates Jesus." Ummmm, very original. Medieval inquisition, part two.

As for "The Direction Of Management," you are the ones who have burnt it to ashes by your association and compromising with folks like Svavasa and his crew. He is never going to apply it, and you told me this yourself, you cannot preach too heavy in LA or your kids will get kicked out of their apartment, by your Lord and Master Svavas? So he is you boss, and he hates the Direction Of Management. You burned it up years ago by your compromising with these bums and you still are. We said you will never get them to apply it, and we are right. And moreover your good friends like Svavasa have got Bhakti Caru over there in the temple TODAY, so go tell him to follow the direction of management, go ask him about the poison issue, oooops, forgot, you cannot speak up or you will lose your hand out begging bowl in front of Svava's office. Well, when we were in LA we went up and asked these people all kinds of things.... of course your pals like Svavasa were infuriated at that. So you are not going to get the direction of management applied unless you challenge, ooops, can't do that or you lose your rice bowl hand out from Svavasa!

NNV das: The only hate mail I agree with is my own!

[PADA: OK good, you just admitted that you are telling people that we hate Srila Prabhupada, so you are trying to get us killed, exactly as we said you are saying. You have proven our case one hundred percent. So what is the point of printing your other gibberish? You said we are at war with Srila Prabhupada, while meanwhile you are snickering on the sidewalk with you pals like Svavasa and Sanat, the goonda squad, and you cannot speak up lest you lose you vouchers and hand outs from the cheif --- goondas on the planet.

And you are blaming us for the Turley case, yet we warned everyone, INCLUDING YOU, about the molesting regime for years, and it fell on deaf ears, including your deaf ears, and also, (1) you know we did not file the case, (2) we were not consulted with the wording of it, (3) the plaintiffs never discussed the text with us, (4) we are still not being legally consulted about it by the principals involved, (5) we never said we agreed with the the siddhanta of the frustrated ex-gurukulis (but you say we do to try to get us killed) and so on and so forth? Rather we all know that this case was caused by your good friends like Svavasa and Sanat, they helped the molester empire along, not us. You even agreed that Sanat is to blame because this was going on under his nose? So that means his type are the cause of this case, yet you are trying to say, pada caused this case? Oh, we almost forgot, as one ex-gurukuli points out, the case will maybe hamper your rice bowl voucher hand outs from Svavasa, so that is why the case is so frustrating for you, you are going to maybe lose your voucer hand outs. Poor baby! So kill pada, or whatever it takes, to keep your voucher going? That is what an ex-gurukuli told us, from the mouth of babes!

Whereas with pada, we clearly protested it all along. You met us in 1985 in Berkeley, we asked you to help us, and you did not. So if the Turley case has discredited the movement, that is at the feet of your compromising, and your friends supporting etc., and so now you are trying to blame us for that case, yet another of your lame attempts to get us blamed: and killed. Everyone knows we were the people who were protesting the molester empire while you were out doing who knows what? We saw you at a festival and you had some (another/new?) lady friend, while we were passing out "dissenting the molester gurus" papers six feet away, and you ignored us or did not even notice us? Where have you been while we were getting our ass in a sling, daily, by handing out papers and such? We all know, you were chatting with various babes, as we eye-witnessed.

We also know, you have been sitting around snickering with Svavasa, and waiting at their feet for your hand outs. This ex-gurukuli has said that you are getting a hand out for your kids, yet now you begrudge them when they want their hand out? Some of these kids think you are a hypocrite. And that is why some of them are so angry, at these hypocrisies, and they are oddly not angry with us because, we may be pieces of dog stool but at least we are consistent. We are not hypocrites. And they also know we do not endorse the blaming of Srila Prabhupada, as your pals lie that we have said, rather we think he was poisoned, as we have made abundantly clear, and most of the ex-kids all know it. For you to say that those of us who were out there protesting the molester regime are thus: to blame for the molesting or the case, while you were out dating your babes collection, so much so you did not even notice us six feet away, is, well, insane? Wake up, please.

Thus some of these youth are mystified, why you are blaming us for the mayhem? So no wonder some of them are confused, you are confusing them. But Naranarayana, dear prabhu, we would be the first people to notice that when you say, "pada is at war with Srila Prabhupada," that means you want to get us killed, because we have been playing this little, and no small amount of dangerous, game since 1978? "He is at war with guru and God," sayeth Naranarayana dasa, cheif whip for the Papal inquisition sabha. Read: "Oh well, open season guys, go get him guys, kill him." That is your game and you are just mad because you got caught. Now as for the Pope, you are doing what these Popes did, oh this guy is blaspheming Jesus, go burn em at the stake boys. You are acting exactly like these Popes, using their identical rhetoric? And Jayatirtha's too. So, like wake up dude!

And as for us wanting to be killed or wanting to be martyrs and such, that is more of your hallucinations, we have exercised a lot of caution in this, otherwise we would be dead. And that is why, when we see your pre 1517 Vatican rhetoric, we are going to tag it and identify it, so it will not be able to act, or at least we hope so. The other point is, dude! We cannot have a society where people are making death threats, saying this guy is at war to attack (kill?) Srila Prabhupada and so on, because that is not a society, that is just about cats and dogs. Or worse. And if that is your idea of applying the Direction Of Management, making your de facto death threats against us by saying we are attacking and at war with Srila Prabhupada, that means you are insulting that document as well. Where does this document say it is your job to compromise with the goondas to get their hand out, and get death threats targetted on those of us who protest these goondas? Read it again Sam,

Thanks pd]

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3) TOPANGA

Subject: Toxic Topanga Talks (2)

Hi folks! Its December 3 '80. Yeah, sure its cold, but not in this neck o' the woods. Its Pyramid House in Topanga Canyon CA, and the joint is really cooking. Bogus iskcon gurus have gathered for a blow-out. And what's plopping down here can't be credited to your off the shelf laxatives. Pundits with degrees in deification, have deduced the cause to be a jet-nozzled Gaudiya Math enema. Armed with a serum contaminated by guru-murder and paedophilia, GMers stalked the very successful iskcon in search of a carrier. They chose Tamal (alias: Toxic Tamal) for his natural ability to work with metalloid elements in chemical compounds, such as arsenic. This ability combined with the necessary conscience (aham acarya), made Toxic Tamal their numero-uno choice. Bent over Sridhar's knee, he was penetrated and inflated with enough GM serum to believe himself a postulate acarya. What remained of the serum, was shot up Machine-gun-Hansa's rear end. Hansa actually believed that the serum gurgling in his brain was Acarya amrita. He was pointing to the door singing ," Here comes the messiah," when Tamal entered Pyramid House.

Topanga Canyon is a river of bogus-guru-goo as "Toxic" makes his entrance. Dandas (a bogus-sannyasi fashion accessory very popular in iskcon') are waving everywhere. "TKG ki jaya!" they call out in ecstasy as Tamal (unlike the others) walks on sh.t, giving meaning to the dictum: "At the top of the heap." Bending down (every single one of them) they pull up their cloth and holler, "shoot me up Toxic!," " No! No!" scream the others, "do me first! Do me first!" The scene is chaotic. When they discover that Toxic and his mate Hansa have selfishly siphoned all of the GM acarya serum, they become dejected.Some jump atop their dandas in anger and fly up above the tree-tops, their stark silhouettes outlined against the pale moon. Others raise their hands above their heads (with center-finger protruding) and dance the dejected "balmy swami," always keeping one weary eye on Machine-gun Hansa. Hansa introduces Toxic; then Toxic speaks simultaneously from both ends, every ear is bent in his direction and every backside is still expectant of an enema acarya serum rush. But its not to be. The fact is; Tamal wanted so much to be acarya that the GM were forced to employ four burly Bengalis to hold on to the tube, nozzle and can, to stop the apparatus from disappearing altogether.

Hansa introduces Toxic: ".......TKG HAS HAD A VERY IMPORTANT REALIZATION (Good Lord! not another one) ABOUT HOW THESE PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN PLAGUING US FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS PRACTICALLY SINCE PRABHUPADA DISAPPEARED. HOW THE'VE COME TO BE, REGARDING THIS GURU ISSUE AND APPOINTMENT FOR EXPANDING IT OR RESTRICTING IT. THAT'S WHY HE WANTED SOME OF YOU TO COME AND HEAR, BECAUSE I THINK THIS WILL BE A BREATH OF FRESH AIR " ( Hansa baby! A breath of fresh air? Toxic Tamal?. Wasn't it Einstein who said," A conscience that creates a problem should be the last choice to solve it ?")

Toxic takes center stage. Suddenly, we start to have our own realizations about why this dude joined iskcon, it was his name! With a name that ends in HOG (tama hertzHOG), whether it be prefixed by Wart, Ground, Filthy, Road or acarya, it still says PIG, and no proper Jewish synagogue will have anything to do with swine, so he was excommunicated, sent to piggy hell with porky and his mates. And what does he do to save himself? He takes iskcon on the rebound. Why else would he be pigging the whole works I ask you? Why else? Anyway folks, he's about to crap little golden piggy-droplets of toxic realizations, so listen up.

Toxic Tamal (or Acarya (Piggy) Hertzhog): " ACTUALLY PRABHUPADA NEVER APPOINTED ANY GURUS ( ah! he's just a little porky with a multiple-piggy-personality-disorder. Now he's doing his "Babe Piggy" the truthful little film-star-piggy-persona) HE DIDN'T APPOINT ELEVEN GURUS. HE APPOINTED ELEVEN RITVIKS." ( But they did not follow. Even though the dictate was clear, they ignored it. Even though a blind monkey could see the logic in the order, they could not, or would not. Claiming tradition to be on their side, they refused to obey this directive. Knowing full well that it is tradition for an Acarya to break with tradition when necessary. Srila Prabhupada was a true Acarya, acting in the tradition of Acaryas. Anyway it is now more than evident why He found His leading disciples to be a bunch of incompetent slops. They have taken a perfectly well established business, operating out off international prime real estate, distributing the best ever product, covered by free labour, bolstered by tax exemption laws, with a worldwide congregation of registered donors, and turned the whole operation into a bloody shambles. Yet we must take these defecating dinosaurs to court, to redeem Srila Prabhupada's iskcon and all the years of hard work and money we poured into it. And our friend Hansadutta calls Tamal "a breath of fresh air." The fact is; iskcons' leaders need to be shot with their own sh.. . .. Ravindra Svarup, Chairman of the gbc, recently wrote an article in which he was threatening someone saying he had a black-belt in karate. Now here we have a man whose face is lined like a road-map, eroded by age, and he's still talking crap. And he's the Chairman. Who will rid us of these pernicious priests? Until Pyramid part three.

I remain your servant Dandavats & pranams SGd

guru-goo is flowing like hot lava through the gorge. Animals, bearing their young on backs and in jaws, have escaped to higher ground. Predatory GM scavengers are circling high in the welkin eyeing off their prey. Soon the whole world will be inundated with this unwholesome fertilizer

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4) CD-3 ROM

Dear Puranjana Prabhu,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Thank you very much for your "rapid fire succession" of "tell-it-like-it-is" newletters. Please keep 'em comin', so the demons will get no rest. I have created a CD-ROM of MP3 versions of Srila Prabhupada's first 33 lectures from 1966. It's a great boon to have Srila Prabhupada's divine lectures playing for almost 30 hours non-stop! I have been shipping them for a couple of weeks now, to sincere vaisnavas as far away as Australia, and they have been very well received.

(See: http://pratyatosa.com/KrishnasGiftMP3.htm)

I am making this CD-R disk available for only US$3. I am also making the two MP3 CDs of Srila Prabhupada's music recordings available for US$3 each. The music CDs are of very high quality, and each of them play for more than 10 hours! These are exactly the same two CDs that others are currently selling as a set for US$30. One of the CDs contains the first 12 music CDs which the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust International (BBTI) has published. First class shipping is US$2 for the first CD, and US$.50 for each additional CD within the continental US. This means that you can get all three transcentendal MP3 CD-R disks at a very low price:

***For only US$12, including shipping within the continental US, you'll receive 3 CD-R disks containing over 50 hours of transcendental nectar (Visa and Mastercard accepted)!

Devotees are very tolerent, and I appreciate this good quality very much, but we shouldn't take advantage it. For the purposes of preaching, Srila Prabhupada always insisted on the highest possible quality. I am not very satisfied with the quality of the original RealAudio files from which the MP3 lecture CD was created. The volume levels are inconsistent, and sometimes there is distortion due to the volume level being too high. Such amateurish incompetence makes Srila Prabhupada and his Krishna consciousness movement look bad. Even the anouncements at the beginning of each lecture, which should be of very high quality, are sometimes distorted, and are sometimes louder than the lectures themselves.

It seems like we are acting like a bunch of prohibition bootleggers when the demand for their "moonshine" was so great that a quality product was not neccessary in order to make a profit. There is no need to act like a bunch of criminals. The people who are currently in charge of ISKCON are the criminals, not us.

I have been assured by Hansdutta Prabhu that the BBTI is only bluffing on this copyright issue. They do not hold any legal copyrights to Srila Prabhupada's lectures, because public lectures are not copyrightable. He ought to know, because he was sued by the BBTI for copyright infringement and won! Another problem is that each of the lectures is broken up into 2 parts. This causes the problem of not hearing complete, contiguous lectures when playing the CD in "random" mode. This is completely contrary to Srila Prabhupada's instructions. As evidence of this, I submit the following first hand account:

In 1973, at ISKCON Los Angeles, it was my extreme good fortune to be in charge of Srila Prabhupada's original "Bhaktivedanta Tape Ministry" (http://pratyatosa.com/BTM_Founding.htm). I was working under Krishna Kanti Prabhu, the head of Golden Avatar Productions and "The Krishna Show". Srila Prabhupada was also residing at the Los Angeles temple at the time, and it was my duty to record Srila Prabhupada's daily Bhagavatam lectures using a state-of-the-art studio quality 10.5" reel-to-reel tape recorder. I would then create a reel-to-reel master tape, computer printed cassette labels on ISKCON's first computer (very expensive in 1973), and then duplicate the lectures onto high quality Maxell brand cassettes using a professional high speed cassette duplicator, which used a reel-to-reel master tape for maximum possible audio quality.

The lectures would go out to all of the BTM subscribers either the same day that it was given, or, at most, within three days. (Three lecture tapes were sent out at a time.) The "Krishna Show" was a very well done Krishna conscious radio show which was being carried on several radio stations throughout the country. Krishna Kanti asked Srila Prabhupada whether or not it was okay to include excerpts from his transcendental lectures on the Krishna Show. Srila Prabhupada said, "NO!", that his lectures should be distributed without being shortened or edited, or not at all. Krishna Kanti ran down the stairs from Srila Prabhupada's apartment, and told me the news right after hearing it directly from Srila Prabhupada's lotus lips!

It was my idea to begin placing announcements in the front of all of the lecture cassettes. I persuaded Krishna Kanti to purchase a high quality ribbon microphone like many professional announcers and newscasters were using at the time. This type of microphone tends to give a person's voice a "smooth as silk" quality. The original purpose of these anouncements was threefold:

SITES TO CHECK OUT:

* BOMBAY India: http://www.acbspn.com/

*Book For Sale "Someone Has Poisoned Me," You can get it from: New Jaipur Press/ POB 208/ Mayodan NC 27027 $10.00 requested donation

* Seattle, Wa (Dhamaghosa dasa 206-729-0111) dasdasdas@aol.com

* MONTREAL, Canada, Hasti Gopala Dasa (for details write to: hasti90@hotmail.com)

* BERKELEY California. Hare Krishna Youth, 510-389-3346 conducts regular harinam parties, arotikes, cooking classes, college preaching, Prabhupada video nights, and so on.

* NEW YORK "Prabhupada Sankirtana Society" Headquarters 48 Ave. B NY, NY 10009 (212) 674-0680, PSS108@juno.com

01) http://mitglied.lycos.de/pada/ pada newsletter archive
02) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933 Poison tape

03) Poison tape transcript:
03) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/19990519.htm
04) http://www.winink.com/tkg/ Poison whispers
05) www.prabhupada.cc Prabhupada samkirtana site
06) http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/padaweb/puranjan.html Puranjana's Site
07) http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc GBC expose
08) http://pages.infinit.net/pragosh/home.html French site
09) http://members.aol.com/gauridas Gauridasa's site
10) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/ Rocana's site
11) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/poison/poison.htm Poison issue
12) www.harekrsna.de "Hare Krsna Homepage" (German)
13) http://members.nbci.com/prabhupada/ ISKCON Reform (German)
14) German translation of Final Order (pdf)
14) http://members.nbci.com/prabhupada/final.htm
15) http://members.xoom.com/prabhupada/ (German Expose)
16) http://www.equalsouls.org/tkg Srila Prabhupada wanted to be poisoned?
17) http://www.surrealist.org/gurukula/ Nandini's history site
19) http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc/ GBC
20) "illicit sex guru" rationalizations:
20) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/iskcon/right.htm
21) http://www.artnet.net/~yasoda/index.htm Appointment tape fraud
22) http://www.asitis.com Original Bhagavad-gita As It Is
23) http://krsnabook.com Original Krsna Book
24) http://www.krishna.org Prabhupada Hare Krishna News Network
25) http://folio.bhaktivedanta.org S.P. Folio Infobase CD-ROM
26) http://realaudio.bhaktivedanta.org Prabhupada RealAudio Archive
27) http://mp3.bhaktivedanta.org Prabhupada MP3 Bhajans, 2 CD set

28) http://krsna.kgb.cz/hlavni.htm Prague Czech-devotees (english)
29) http://www.domgbc.org petition for new GBC
30) http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/das/articles.htm (DAS)
31) http://www.com.org/hb/ptd/cyber_gurukula.htm (Cyber gurukula)