PADA Newsletter, Dec. 12, 2000
12.12 poison/reform Date: 12. Dec. 2000
From: angel108b@yahoo.com (Puranjana)


1) POISON INVESTIGATION
2) REFORMERS
Dear folks, PAMHO. AGTSP.

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PADA'S MOST WANTED LIST: Keep us apprised of the whereabouts of Jayapataka, Tamal, Hridayananda and other GBC, thanks.

Some are still saying that pada can be quoted as saying that "the direction of managment was written for fools," whereas we recall saying that it is foolish --to assume it will be applied by the GBC clones? We challenge anyone to show where we said "the direction of management was written for fools"? That is simply, not what we said? Pada does not mind apologizing for our mistakes, but so far, we have not been shown where we made this statement in the first place? In which specific newsletter, chapter and verse, did we say that?

thanks pd
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1) POISON INVESTIGATION

From: "Saksi Gopal das"

Dear Prabhus and matas, pamho agt Srila Prabhupada
We apologize for taking this liberty with your time. However, the matter is of some urgency and of grave importance. Already twenty-four years have passed without any positive action being taken. Even though there is much evidence to support an official investigation, all we have been subjected to is debate, rumor and innuendo. In this way, the "death" of Srila Prabhupada (and the suggestions of "arsenic poisoning" ) has caused so much heartache, that it is now intolerable.

We are appealing to devotees worldwide; to help us bring to an end (whatever the outcome) these serious allegations. It is the firm belief of many devotees worldwide; that a well presented dossier (available evidence) to the Home Minister Mr. L. K Advani (India), along with a signed petition (under the code of secrecy), will bring forth an official investigation. This writer was born and raised in Bengal and has friends in the Indian press, should the need arise; there is a good chance of support from both press and broadcasters.

A petition is being looked at by lawyers. Hopefully, we will soon have an official document that can be E-mailed for printing and signatures. No funding or other commitments are needed from anyone. Guidance by senior devotees is always welcome, but not having it will not stop us from continuing with our agenda. Should the response to our pleas be positive, we shall come to the U.S in search of signatories. If however the devotees in the US don't want any part in this (for whatever reason), we would appreciate early replies.

As the petition will reveal, it is not a witch-hunt, simply a positive effort to bring closure for disciples and followers of His Divine Grace, and for posterity's sake. By signing the petition, you will lend weight to the quest for the truth. Please help by allowing us to make a pukka presentation. It may be your first and last chance. Once again, all personal information and correspondence will be treated with the utmost confidence. In the dust at your feet. Namaskar & Dandavats.

YS Saksi Gopal das

>Sakshi Gopal Prabhu,
>
>Mahatma has sent me a copy of a petition for my review. I suggest that you
>make the petition more to the point. Otherwise you would find that many
>people would not sign what is otherwise a simple call to the Government of
>India to investigate murder allegations.
>
>For example, you should not prejudge, but simply state that there is enough
>evidence that would be far beyond the threashold of evidence required for
>the Government to be required to begin a formal investigation into murder.
>Such words as "victim", therefore, should be left out, as well as:
>
>"From facts disclosed by the investigation, it would appear that
>Swamiji was administered arsenic in His food and medicine, prior
>to, and in the final days before His death."
>
>It would be better to have ".... it would appear that the Government shoudl
>investigate whether Swamji was administered...

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2) REFORMERS

Dear Paranjan please accept my humble obeisances all glories to Srila Prabhupada.
That was a nice article on the risks faced by the Prabhupadanugas and reminds me of something I read a while ago. "Overthrowing and replacing the old order, any order, is risky business. Revolutionaries lead notoriously dangerous lives. There is nothing more difficult to carry out nor more doubtful of success, nor more dangerous to handle, than to initiate a new order of things. For the reformer has enemies in all those who profit by the old order of things and only lukewarm defenders in all those who would profit by the new order, this lukewarmedness arising partly from fear of the adversaries who have the laws in their favour and partly from the incredullity of mankind, who never believe in anything new until they have had experience of it. Thus it arises that on every opportunity for attacking the reformer, his opponents do so with the zeal of partisans, the others only defend him half hardedly, so that between them he runs great danger.

It is necessary, however ...to examine whether they depend on others, that is to say, whether in order to carry out their designs they have to entreat or are able to compel. In the first case, they invariably succeed ill, and accomplish nothing; but when they can depend on their own strength and are able to use force, they rarely fail. Thus it comes about that all armed prophets have conquered and unarmed ones failed ...wrote Machiavelli, with charateristic blunt acumen.

[PADA: Well this brings up some good points. Some devotees have said that there is no apparent order to ISKCON, it looks all chaos and disordered. No, some people have made huge salaries, got big houses and cars, and what to speak of they also got (in the back room) some men, women and children for illicit sex on the side, and so on. People kill for these types of benefits every day, or in places like Los Angeles, sometimes two or three people die every day, over a measly few hundred dollars, ---what to speak then of the millions, and we'd say billions of dollars that were pocketed elsewhere out of ISKCON. As the FBI says, if you want to solve a crime, follow the money...

Srila Prabhupada confirms this, "usurping the bricks and stones" (monetary assets) was also the reason for the Gaudiya Matha's breakdown into a bar-room brawl, complete with homosexual gurus, murders and so on. Vahi bat. This "asset use blackmail" also has been the biggest objection we have got from "moderate" people all the time, "Well you are right as rain pada, some of the GBC are crooks and goons, but if we speak up, we might lose our room, apartment, prasadam (?) hand outs, perks, vouchers and so on." In layman's terms this is called: corruption.

And the whole child abuse case is, bottom line, all about this same money issue as well: (1) "Oh these kids are demigods from heaven taking birth, can you give us some MONEY for their schools?, (2) Ooops, but really we are not giving them the money, rather the money is going for the heavenly lifestyles of a few elite, namely the homosexual pedophile guru lineage and their compromised lackeys, (3) Ooops, now that these kids were starved, beat and molested, because we diverted the assets from them, they are raising hell; (4) Oh well, nevermind, they are not devotees anyways. That is because we made sure they would not become devotees, so hey, lets throw them into the crapper. Again." READ: "Gee, I am truly sorry that I hit you with my car little tyke, that is too bad, but what really pisses me off, is that you got blood on my bumper. Can you clean it off please"?

...Not how it works Sherlock! And if we can toss pada into the crapper too, well all the better! Wow, history repeats! This is also how in 1517 Martin Luther was viewed, a guy who was going to mess up "the good financial business" of the Vatican, and he was also objecting to the mistreatment of innocents. Vahi bat. Notice that as soon as we say that these children were abused, some of our GBC jackbooters argue, well they are not devotees, more rationalization and justification for their inquisition? Yes, maybe they are not devotees, but that is: because of your GBC's policies! By the way, one guru was also saying that only armed prophets succeed, and you can probably guess which one...]

Krsna is the Supreme God,Srila Prabhupada is our leader and the Bhagavad Gita As It Is...is our war plan.

Your servant Hasti Gopala

[PADA: good plan!]

SITES TO CHECK OUT:

* BOMBAY India: http://www.acbspn.com/

*Book For Sale "Someone Has Poisoned Me," You can get it from: New Jaipur Press/ POB 208/ Mayodan NC 27027 $10.00 requested donation

* Seattle, Wa (Dhamaghosa dasa 206-729-0111) dasdasdas@aol.com

* MONTREAL, Canada, Hasti Gopala Dasa (for details write to: hasti90@hotmail.com)

* BERKELEY California. Hare Krishna Youth, 510-389-3346 conducts regular harinam parties, arotikes, cooking classes, college preaching, Prabhupada video nights, and so on.

* NEW YORK "Prabhupada Sankirtana Society" Headquarters 48 Ave. B NY, NY 10009 (212) 674-0680, PSS108@juno.com

01) http://mitglied.lycos.de/pada/ pada newsletter archive
02) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933 Poison tape

03) Poison tape transcript:
03) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/19990519.htm
04) http://www.winink.com/tkg/ Poison whispers
05) www.prabhupada.cc Prabhupada samkirtana site
06) http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/padaweb/puranjan.html Puranjana's Site
07) http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc GBC expose
08) http://pages.infinit.net/pragosh/home.html French site
09) http://members.aol.com/gauridas Gauridasa's site
10) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/ Rocana's site
11) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/poison/poison.htm Poison issue
12) www.harekrsna.de "Hare Krsna Homepage" (German)
13) http://members.nbci.com/prabhupada/ ISKCON Reform (German)
14) German translation of Final Order (pdf)
14) http://members.nbci.com/prabhupada/final.htm
15) http://members.xoom.com/prabhupada/ (German Expose)
16) http://www.equalsouls.org/tkg Srila Prabhupada wanted to be poisoned?
17) http://www.surrealist.org/gurukula/ Nandini's history site
19) http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc/ GBC
20) "illicit sex guru" rationalizations:
20) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/iskcon/right.htm
21) http://www.artnet.net/~yasoda/index.htm Appointment tape fraud
22) http://www.asitis.com Original Bhagavad-gita As It Is
23) http://krsnabook.com Original Krsna Book
24) http://www.krishna.org Prabhupada Hare Krishna News Network
25) http://folio.bhaktivedanta.org S.P. Folio Infobase CD-ROM
26) http://realaudio.bhaktivedanta.org Prabhupada RealAudio Archive
27) http://mp3.bhaktivedanta.org Prabhupada MP3 Bhajans, 2 CD set

28) http://krsna.kgb.cz/hlavni.htm Prague Czech-devotees (english)
29) http://www.domgbc.org petition for new GBC
30) http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/das/articles.htm (DAS)
31) http://www.com.org/hb/ptd/cyber_gurukula.htm (Cyber gurukula)


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