1) FWD by Kdd (a letter from Bhadra dd)

BHAVANADA IS STILL A BIG AUTHORITY
Dandavats all! All glories to Sri Guru and Sri Gauranga! I'm not usually into sticking my two cents worth into this subject, except to say that my heart weeps uncontrollably for all in pain, especially our children. So I must stick my two cents worth in, and inform you that the 'uncle'(bhavananda), is indeed the babysitter, at the Sydney temple. Reportedly sodomising new teenage devotee's. A few years ago I heard he was giving lectures and driving the women out of his classes, crying. I THINK his classes were stopped. He was being 'worshipped' however. I do know for a fact of one ex-disciple of his, right here in Cairns who still loves him and FEELS SORRY for him!!!!! unfortunately she takes no sadhu-sanga now and doesn't even chant now. what to do? I pray for you dear survivor, and all in your situation. I salute you dear Bhima-karma. Vaisnava dasanudasi abhilasa, Bhadra devi dasi

[PADA: This is what baffles a lot of people. Guys like Sanat say they will attack the victims of Bhavananda, but he never says even one word about the criminals, like Bhavananda?]

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2) ITS MURDER (Mahaksa dasa)

Hare Krsna. In response to the inquiry about my statement of "devotees", yes, this is reference to the ultimate sense as seen by the uttama adhikari. Devotees in full forgetfulness, like duryodhana was when he tried to assault Queen Draupadi. This forgetfulness is caused by the very same disease that has affected some of our peers, insatiable lust, turned on children, total servitude of Kali Yuga (as described by Srila Prabhupada) where even assassination of pure devotees is not only possible, but highly likely.

Devotees, it is quite hard to utter this word in description of such people, but is an acknowledgement that reform is possible. How? Perhaps prayascitta (atonement) is not necessary for returning from the death of simple apostacy, but atonement is absolutely necessary for reformation of one who has committed crimes against the holy name. The holy name alone can relieve one from all reactions from sinful activity, but how can one use the holy name to atone for crimes against that very name?

Apology must be rendered, and if murder was committed, then there is no relief, because not only apology must be rendered, such apology MUST be accepted by victim. There is also another "MURDER" that is in evidence here, murder of the spirit. If one has caused a devotee to lose their bhij because of personal offence, then acceptance of apology may not happen.

It is only because Queen Draupadi is the example of purity, our ultimate standard to shoot for, that she easily forgave Aswattama for his heinous murders of Her sleeping children. She was not wrong in the slightest degree in granting such forgiveness, even unasked by the culprit, who even committed further crimes against her after forgiveness was granted, but her standard of purity is not artificial nor can it be imitated. It is my sincere hope that those severely offended by disciples of my guru maharaja can someday obtain the standard of purity of Queen Draupadi to relieve these people from their horrible plight.

What the hell is this, this fool mahaksadasa asking for kindness to these criminals? I guess that is exactly what it is, because my guru maharaja has promised to forego any spiritual reward He has earned until all of his disciples go back home, back to godhead. I am not up to the queen's standard of purity, I say chop off all their heads in an assembly of their loved ones to show universal disgust for their activities and their misrepresentation of the greatest devotee since Lord Jesus Christ, but without rising to the platform of uttama adhikari and seeing these folks without differentiating between devotee and demon, I feel I am falling short of my goal.

Anyway, I hope all can see where I am coming from, I am trying to hate the sin and not the sinner.

Haribol, ys in cooperation,
mahaksadasa

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3) FIXING THE MAFIA? (RE: Rochford et al.)

From: ITEM No. 7

I was extremely impressed with Burke Rochford’s ‘A Personal Reflection’ after analysing ISKCON for Twenty-five yearss he has has clearly identified problems in the following six areas:

1. The result is that the GBC is viewed by many as politically self-interested and increasingly irrelevant.

2. ISKCON’s authorities, and thereby ISKCON itself, are, in many respects, frozen in time.

3. ISKCON lacks dialectical (logical) thinking.

4. Many of ISKCON’s leaders hold tightly to Prabhupada’s words but not to his wisdom.

5. This is a time for honesty and openness about ISKCON and its needs. Bluffing will not do.

6. To avoid becoming just another weak or failed organisation, ISKCON must earn its survival, its prosperity. This requires that ‘position’ not get in the way of good sense. Leaders and members alike must pull up their collective sleeves and work together. To do this requires mutual respect, trust, co-operation and setting aside elitist ways of thinking.

I have been studying Iskcon for twenty-nine years (nearly 2/3rds of my life) and I can therefore, identify a 7th point which was not considered in his otherwise excellent analysis and this is the most difficult problem to overcome. Item no. 7. Iskcon is under the control of an elitist group, who do not want change.

Evidence of this is, you never hear one of them mention the words reform or change, even though they’re in the best position to implement it. Indeed, they will ban, ex-communicate, beat and even kill anyone who does. Mr Rochford is therefore well meaning, but naïve if he thinks it’s just a question of rolling up our collective sleeves. These people are clinging tenaciously to their positions. Why, because they are qualified to do nothing else. They have spent their lives in this movement being clothed and fed. Most of them have not had jobs for 30 years. So what are they going to do if they lose their positions, live on welfare? Climbing the corporate ladder and becoming a guru, with disciples to support them into old age is their great hope for the future. They couldn’t care less about the state of the Krsna Consciousness Movement. No-one should think for one moment that these are sincere devotees, these are careerists – too useless to do anything else and it is their tight stranglehold on Iskcon that is killing it.

You might have better luck asking the Mafia to give up their ways!

Yaduvendu
yvendu@hotmail.com

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4) RE: ROCHFORD ET AL.

My comment on: Analysing ISKCON for Twenty-five Years: A Personal Reflection, by E. Burke Rochford, Jr. Ph.D. author of Hare Krishna in America

I appreciate your your observations but it misses the root cause of all the problems in the well being of ISKCON which is simply the lack of continuance of the bonafide pure Sri Krishna parampara and the solution is summed up in a few words: follow/surrender Krishna's pure representative/ devotee and fully self/ God-realized spiritual master (parampara). ISKCON as given to us was Srila Prabhupada's life and teachings, as handed down by parampara from Krishna Himself, in practical application in today's world.

We conditioned souls with the four defects of imperfect senses, mistakes, illusion, and cheating propensity simply cannot understand fully all that has been taught to us by Srila Prabhupada in such a short time, what to speak of foolishly changing his teachings? The intelligence of the disciple is to simply follow the instructions of Krishna's bonafide spiritual master and representative absolutely without question or change.

The problem in ISKCON in one word is "DEVIATION" from Krishna's bona fide parampara as if there can be any such deviation and still remain in that parampara, because as soon as one deviates from the basic orders of the bonafide parampara one immediately becomes its anti-thesis and is automatically excluded from it as a matter of transcendental fact. This absolute truth is unfortunately not fully understood by the neophyte disciples. There is always a razor sharp line between spirit (surrender) and matter (deviation) and no one can change the basic orders of the bonafide spiritual master (parampara) without getting entangled in the web of karmic reaction, because the teachings of the pure devotee represents actual liberation from all bondage. Logically one cannot change what is already perfect. However the demoniac mentality of the conditioned souls in the material world cannot see this absolute truth clearly due to Krishna's deluding energy (maya-shakti).

ISKCON's present problems are not only due to not changing or correcting mistakes. More tragically, they are due to having changed or ignored what was already perfectly ordered by the pure devotee of Krishna. Unfortunately many of his foolish disciples wanted to gratify their material senses first instead of Krishna's by changing or neglecting to carryout the basic orders of Krishna's parampara (bonafide spiritual master). You do not change that which is ordered by the pure devotee and fully self/God-realized soul because that is simply the anti-thesis of the parampara and Krishna consciousness itself.

The practical solution to all ISKCON's problems is to simply prevent all such neophyte disciples from their natural attempt to monopolize all political/economic power in ISKCON by simply following Srila Prabhupada's Direction of Management for an elected temple president and GBC. This effort has already been started by a petition drive and we hope all followers of Srila Prabhupada will support it. See www.domgbc.org

There cannot be progress in ISKCON's parampara as long as the basic orders for such from its founder-acharya are being foolishly ignored and/or changed. That is clearly logical but still not being fully understood by their brahmins, sanyasis, GBC's, and temple presidents which is clearly illogical but true.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada
Harinam dasa

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5) RE: ROCHFORD ET AL.

Dear PADA, PAMHO. AGTSP.

I vehemently oppose B.E. Rochford's contention that problems in ISKCON could be solved if the G.B.C. were more innovative or progressive (like Srila Prabhupada).

[PADA: Well, what he perhaps means here is that they have been stuck in their ivory towers, and unless they change they are going to fade out completely. And he is correct on this point. It is also a bit tongue in cheek, he is saying: here is some good advice, change or lose, but he knows they will never change. Its a little faecetious.]

JK: According to Srila Prabhupada, whimsical change is our "disease." Many of us at New Vrindabana in the late 1980s learned graphically that only THE BONAFIDE ACARYA can alter tradition significantly; his folowers must simply keep intact what he decrees.

[PADA: And Dr. Burke Rochford agrees that they are not folowing what he wanted. So in this case, change is not only wanted, it is required. Most people agree that the GBC has to either change, or die off, this point is agreed upon by many not only Dr. Rochford.]

JK: Of course, NEW preaching opportunities such as the Internet can be utilized. But Srila Prabhupada never PROHIBITED such (Unlike women taking sannyasa, changing the temple rituals and songs, changing dress, and especially desecrating SP's law-books, instructions and philosophy, etc., etc., ad nauseum.) Why, instead of speculating about management details, Mr. R. doesn't address the OBVIOUS ACTUAL causes of ISKCON's degradation, is an utter mystery. What is Mr. R's real motive? The absurd theory that by "sticking to the letter" of Srila Prabhupada's instructions the GBC has remained stagnant, is complete garbage.

[PADA: Well, this is exactly the line of reason that Jesus said to the Pharisees, you are sticking to the letter of the law, but not the spirit of the law. It means they are so wrapped up in their concocted dogma they cannot function rationally, and moreover they are missing the spirit of the law. It is an allegorical method of speaking as was used also by Srila Prabhupada: "the brahmanas are strictly sticking to the rules," well not really, the first rule is to develop love of God and they are not doing so, but he just uses that as a method of expression. They are sticking to their own stiff dogma, their own rigid ideas of the law, but they are missing the real point, for example to have feelings of love and to experience compassion and so on, i.e. the spirit of the law. This is a common method of expression, and we do not think it means there is some vast right-wing conspiracy of evil motives behind it, apart from the fact that great saints have all used this same line of logical expression?]

JK: The precise OPPOSITE is the cause of disintegration and chaos, as can plainly be understood by Srila Prabhupada's explicit order in his will regarding the duty of the GBC to "NOT" change anything. It is startling that a scholar such as Mr. Rochford, who has been so attentive to ISKCON's evolution, should be so DIAMETRICALLY off the mark in his analysis, especially considering the plethora of hard evidence now available which indisputably exposes the REAL crimes of the ISKCON "leaders--evidence which should render such rhetoric as offered by Mr. R. "null, void, obsolete, and a DIVERSION FROM THE IMPORTANT ISSUES" to any honest, unbiased person.

[PADA: Well the real issue is that the GBC are criminals and they should be charged with fraud, that is not Dr. Rochford's job, or any other scholar's job, but it is the duty of the followers of Srila Prabhupada to execute a real criminal fraud process, but many devotees have been hibernating as you admit further down, and thus they have not done that. Some of them are hunkered in WW III bunkers, protecting themselves, but not Srila Prabhupada and ISKCON.]

JK: Again, prabhu, why do you keep publishing such rubbish? It seems you are trying to force those of us in "blissful hybernation" to also come out swinging for HDG because we cannot bear to read it. Hare Krsna. YS, JKD

[PADA: Well, we thought his article is more favorable to our view and not very favorable to the GBC's view, and it is. And apart from that, we also print things that are of general public interest, good or bad, and a letter from a scholar on the current status of the movement is of interest to many folks, as was the ABC 20/20 show also of public interest and thus we mentioned that as well. That does not mean we agree with any or every single line of all we print? We are also mentioning these things exactly so that people will get out of their bubble of hibernation and see how things are being viewed by others. That is why we print even stuff the GBC says, which a lot of people are unaware of as well? Apart from that, not all devotees agree with you that this was pure rubbish, they thought it was a good step in the right direction. So we all have our opinions, but ours are not the only opinions. That is why we try to allow others to speak. On top of that, Srila Prabhupada allowed scholars, even strange ones like Allen Ginsburg, a lot of leeway, because that is the proper way to deal with scholars? Indeed, we personally witnessed how tolerant Srila Prabhupada was towards this sector. So we should note this and act appropriately ourselves.

thanks pd]

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01) http://mitglied.lycos.de/pada/ pada newsletter archive
02) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933 Poison tape

03) Poison tape transcript:
03) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/19990519.htm
04) http://www.winink.com/tkg/ Poison whispers
05) www.prabhupada.cc Prabhupada samkirtana site
06) http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/padaweb/puranjan.html Puranjana's Site
07) http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc GBC expose
08) http://pages.infinit.net/pragosh/home.html French site
09) http://members.aol.com/gauridas Gauridasa's site
10) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/ Rocana's site
11) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/poison/poison.htm Poison issue
12) www.harekrsna.de "Hare Krsna Homepage" (German)
13) http://members.nbci.com/prabhupada/ ISKCON Reform (German)
14) German translation of Final Order (pdf)
14) http://members.nbci.com/prabhupada/final.htm
15) http://members.xoom.com/prabhupada/ (German Expose)
16) http://www.equalsouls.org/tkg Srila Prabhupada wanted to be poisoned?
17) http://www.surrealist.org/gurukula/ Nandini's history site
19) http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc/ GBC
20) "illicit sex guru" rationalizations:
20) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/iskcon/right.htm
21) http://www.artnet.net/~yasoda/index.htm Appointment tape fraud
22) http://www.asitis.com Original Bhagavad-gita As It Is
23) http://krsnabook.com Original Krsna Book
24) http://www.krishna.org Prabhupada Hare Krishna News Network
25) http://folio.bhaktivedanta.org S.P. Folio Infobase CD-ROM
26) http://realaudio.bhaktivedanta.org Prabhupada RealAudio Archive
27) http://mp3.bhaktivedanta.org Prabhupada MP3 Bhajans, 2 CD set

28) http://krsna.kgb.cz/hlavni.htm Prague Czech-devotees (english)
29) http://www.domgbc.org petition for new GBC
30) http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/das/articles.htm (DAS)
31) http://www.com.org/hb/ptd/cyber_gurukula.htm (Cyber gurukula)