A NOTICE TO THE GBC

Demons will always remain demons. I am fully prepared and WILL defeat you bastards. Prabhupada said that your demonic lives are short. 101 of my letters have been successfully distributed locally. You all are finished. I am in the process of going to the government to ban all foreigners in this country. And am going to sue the movement for wrongfully banning me. And am going to advertise on tv, the complete story of ISKCON.

++ is to start a world wide campagin that will completely melt you all. Prabhupada said that you demons can only check this movement. Because you all are mis-leading innocent people, He stated that you all are the most dangerous elements in human society. And there fore you all must be dealt with accordingly. Yamaraj is waiting.

ys + +

[PADA: Ummm, 99 GBC on the wall, 99 GBC, what should happen if one should fall, 98 GBC on the wall, and so on, now we got Prahladanandana swami holding the fort? This guy was frothing at the mouth at us about 10 years ago trying to tell us that Professor Sannyal is still alive, can somebody get this guy his bottle of percodans?]

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1) ABOUT CB

Pada, PAMHO All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
I have no quarrel with Caturbahu, but it seems some people like to pick fights, because they have nothing better to do. If I thought a friend of mine's spouse was committing some indescretion, I would call him privately on the phone, not advertise it on the internet. So far, no one here has seen any problems. A temple pres has to deal with all sorts of people. It's not an easy job. She sometimes makes mistakes. Is that OK? If all the so-called reformers simply bite each other then no result is achieved.The Gang of Eleven were expert in divide and conquer. Let's not facilitate their agenda. Your servant,

Dravinaksa Das

[PADA: Agreed, we should all work together to defeat the GBC. Yet, that has not been happening because we do not have a common siddhanta. For starters, if this woman temple president "makes mistakes," we would agree with you, so what? What kind of "mistake" is she making? She is certainly not making the same "mistake" as Chaturbahu and his team of men (whom he says are all "like minded") i.e. they endorse the founder fathers of the Gaudiya Matha's homosexual guru lineage as their "gurus," and they even endorse Kirtanananda as their idea of "guru tattva." Srila Prabhupada explains why these Gaudiya Matha aligned people make these same "mistakes" over and over, they are improperly and impurely motivated.

Oddly, Chaturbahu almost seems to agree with us on this point? He said that because the meat eater karmis are not so much ill motivated, they have clearer intellect, and as such, they do not worship homosexuals? And in sum even the meat eater sabha is more "free from mistakes" than the sahajiya "devotees." So we wanted to "work together" with CB, sure, but Srila Prabhupada said we cannot "work together" with CB's team of Gaudiya Matha debauched guru ideolgues, and moreover, Chaturbahu agreed that by so doing we beome less advanced than meat eaters? So we are perplexed: why does he want us to compromise with that agenda when he simultaneously says that agenda is foolish?

A few of our youth contacts have also noted that our Chaturbahu claims to be a big protector kshatriya, but then he joins the team that threatens physical violence to ISKCON's molested children? And simultaneously, that team makes no harassment to the perps? Rather, they say one of the worst perps, Kirtanananda, is their idea of guru tattva? So they are protecting the molesters, even stating we should worship the perps as guru tattva, and meanwhile, they are threatening the victims, ummm, the whole problem all along? So this means, nobody can work with this team since their whole program is full of gross contradictions and GBC/ Gaudiya Matha deviant styled psycho-babble. And their ideas are simply making things worse for the angry and abused ex-children sector.

Protecting the molesters as guru tattva and threatening the molested is: the role of the kshatriya? When are these people going to wake up? They are simply repeating what Kirtananada was saying in 1978? We are pointing all of this out because there are more than a few people who have some of these confused notions swirling around and they causing considerable confusion even now. thanks pd]

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2) RE: Diksha (by Mahesh)

Puranjana prabhu wrote:

True
>As for the second class "madhyama," correct us if we are wrong, but is he
>not supposed to be minimal brahma-nistha, anartha nirvritti, at least? As
>mininal qualifications? Of course, the "uttama" is fully pure in all
>conditions and is never subject to fail.

Yes Madhyama is on NISTHA (FIRM FAITH) platform minimal.

Madhya 22.71 The Process of Devotional Service
Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura has stated that if one has developed faith in Krsna consciousness, he is to be considered an eligible candidate for further advancement in Krsna consciousness. Those who have faith are divided into three categories--uttama, madhyama and kanistha (first-class, second-class and neophyte). A first-class devotee has firm conviction in the revealed scriptures and is expert in arguing according to the sastras. He is firmly convinced of the science of Krsna consciousness. The madhyama-adhikari, or second-class devotee, has firm conviction in Krsna consciousness, but he cannot support his conviction by citing sastric references. The neophyte devotee does not yet have FIRM FAITH. In this way the devotees are typed.

Madhya 16.72 The Lord' s Attempt to Go to Vrndavana/ sastra-yukti nahi jane drdha, sraddhavan 'madhyama-adhikari' sei maha-bhagyavan/ "One who has attained the intermediate stage is not very advanced in sastric knowledge, but he has FIRM FAITH in the Lord. Such a person is very fortunate to be situated on the intermediate platform." (Cc. Madhya 22.67)

>And thus we would say this bogus preaching disqualifies the GBC
>from being gurus, even kanistha gurus, at least that is our understanding.
>Therefore, the neophyte has to be careful to only preach on behalf of
>the uttama, and not to take up the role of uttama himself. Comments
>appreciated, ys puranjana dasa

It is noteworthy to remember Srila Prabhupada does NOT say "Kanistha gurus?" All he DOES say is: A neophyte Vaisnava or a Vaisnava situated on the intermediate platform can also accept disciples, but such disciples must be on the same platform, and it should be understood that they cannot advance very well toward the ultimate goal of life under his insufficient guidance. Srila Prabhupada DOES NOT EVEN use the word GURU . He simply says "can also accept disciples" Disciples means discipline. However DIKSA Divya jnana -- TRANSCENDENTAL KNOWLEDGE he CAN NOT GIVE. Because Kanistha is NOT on the platform of TRANSCENDENTAL PURE GOODNESS at best he can be on Sattva Guna GOODNESS. BUT it requires PURE GOODNESS from where Krishna and his loving mellows is transmitted to another ie FROM Uttama Adhikari to Madhyama adhikari (ref Antya 4.192-4.194

also SB 10.2.18).

IT IS A MISTAKE TO SAY KANISTHA GIVES DIKSA --- THIS IS FOOLISHNESS. ONE CAN NOT give something what EVEN HE HIMSELF does NOT HAVE. So those IS_CON gunda gorus and bogus Gaudiya Matha gorus are cheaters and the society is of Cheaters and the Cheated.

NoI 5 In this verse Srila Rupa Gosvami advises the devotee to be intelligent enough to distinguish between the kanistha-adhikari, madhyama-adhikari and uttama-adhikari. The devotee should also know his own position and should not try to imitate a devotee situated on a higher platform. Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura has given some practical hints to the effect that an uttama-adhikari Vaisnava can be recognized by his ability to convert many fallen souls to Vaisnavism. One should not become a spiritual master unless he has attained the platform of uttama-adhikari. A neophyte Vaisnava or a Vaisnava situated on the intermediate platform can also accept disciples, but such disciples must be on the same platform, and it should be understood that they cannot advance very well toward the ultimate goal of life under his insufficient guidance. Therefore a disciple should be careful to accept an uttama-adhikari as a spiritual master.

ys mahesh

SITES TO CHECK OUT:

NEW SITE: http://members.tripod.com/gurupoison (Tamal indictment)

* http://www.egroups.com/group/Vaisnavacouncil (Visoka cyber istagosthi)
* http://www.govinda.net (first editions of S.P. books)
* http://www.krsna.tv (underground Hare Krishna web site)
* http://www.JitendriyaBooks.com

*Book For Sale "Someone Has Poisoned Me," You can get it from: New Jaipur Press/ POB 208/ Mayodan NC 27027 $10.00 requested donation

* Seattle, Wa (Dhamaghosa dasa 206-729-0111) dasdasdas@aol.com

* MONTREAL, Canada, Hasti Gopala Dasa (for details write to: hasti90@hotmail.com)

* BERKELEY California. Hare Krishna Youth, 510-389-3346 conducts regular harinam parties, arotikes, cooking classes, college preaching, Prabhupada video nights, and so on.

* NEW YORK "Prabhupada Sankirtana Society" Headquarters 48 Ave. B NY, NY 10009 (212) 674-0680, PSS108@juno.com

01) http://mitglied.lycos.de/pada/ pada newsletter archive
02) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933 Poison tape

03) Poison tape transcript:
03) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/19990519.htm
04) http://www.winink.com/tkg/ Poison whispers
05) www.prabhupada.cc Prabhupada samkirtana site
06) http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/padaweb/puranjan.html Puranjana's Site
07) http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc GBC expose
08) http://pages.infinit.net/pragosh/home.html French site
09) http://members.aol.com/gauridas Gauridasa's site
10) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/ Rocana's site
11) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/poison/poison.htm Poison issue
12) www.harekrsna.de "Hare Krsna Homepage" (German)
13) http://members.nbci.com/prabhupada/ ISKCON Reform (German)
14) German translation of Final Order (pdf)
14) http://members.nbci.com/prabhupada/final.htm
15) http://members.xoom.com/prabhupada/ (German Expose)
16) http://www.equalsouls.org/tkg Srila Prabhupada wanted to be poisoned?
17) http://www.surrealist.org/gurukula/ Nandini's history site
19) http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc/ GBC
20) "illicit sex guru" rationalizations:
20) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/iskcon/right.htm
21) http://www.artnet.net/~yasoda/index.htm Appointment tape fraud
22) http://www.asitis.com Original Bhagavad-gita As It Is
23) http://krsnabook.com Original Krsna Book
24) http://www.krishna.org Prabhupada Hare Krishna News Network
25) http://folio.bhaktivedanta.org S.P. Folio Infobase CD-ROM
26) http://realaudio.bhaktivedanta.org Prabhupada RealAudio Archive
27) http://mp3.bhaktivedanta.org Prabhupada MP3 Bhajans, 2 CD set
28) www.domgbc.org (Direction Of Management)
29) www.acbspn.com/ BOMBAY India
30. www.ROOPA.org (Raghunatha dasa's world economics proposal)

31) http://krsna.kgb.cz/hlavni.htm Prague Czech-devotees (english site)
32) http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/das/articles.htm (DAS)
33) http://www.com.org/hb/ptd/cyber_gurukula.htm (Cyber gurukula)

A WEB SITE DEALING WITH WOMEN AND CHILDREN EXPLOITATION:
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/catw/tocv.htm