PADA Newsletter - 22 Feb. 2001
2.22 ganapati - Date: Feb. 22, 2001
From: angel108b@yahoo.com (Puranjana)


1) Sriman Puranjan Prabhu:
2) JAYA RADHE
3) From Ganapati prabhu
4) REGULAR GURUS
Dear folks, PAMHO. AGTSP.

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1) Sriman Puranjan Prabhu:

PAMHO, AGTSP, and Hare Krishna. I liked your respon to Jai Radhe Mataji when you say: " Besides, this is "nectar" for some of us just like pulling out Dusasana's heart and drinking the blood was nectar for Bhima, and he is a pure devotee.". I also liked your example of sewer cleaners and foot draggers. Keep up the good work with sharp sword of logic and truth.

Ys- Gadadhar Dasa

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2) JAYA RADHE

Dear Puranjana prabhu,

Well, you have long had my admiration in using your intelligence, and also your obvious faith in and love for Srila Prabhupada and his mission, in diligently toiling at uncovering unpalatable and significant untruths, and please forgive my pettiness in overlooking the bigger picture as you have described in your thoughtful post to me. After I wrote it last night I was thinking about the thanklessness of your work, and feeling that perhaps I had inadvertantly contributed to minimizing your service by writing it. I know you also to be a steadfast devotee as well as being very kind and patient, and a caring and loving father to your children, and these personal qualities, which many are unaware of, certainly say a lot about the caliber of your person.

So your points are well taken by me. I think the mood of my post previous to this springs from my floundering position of being completely without assoicaiton in my daily life, and clinging to what nectar I can feel open enough to receive. However, I do also see your point about routing out the bad stuff being a type of nectar too, and one day we will all be celebrating the victory of the battle, Krsna willing.

On another note, I did not know that about Drutakarma. What I read in those posts on the other forums was that he was adamant that Srila Prabhupada's words on the origin of the soul, and on other matters, were to be accepted. This made him good enough in my books. I did not think this issue was minor, just considered it no case for pointing a finger against the guy, which was somehow being construed as such by this other forumite. So in that sense, I felt it to be a botheration, and was sorry that it was triggered my my appreciation for a book which appears in no way to deviate from what Srila Prabhupada has taught us. If I get my head around too many of these details I will be too discouraged in my attempts to get out of grief in separation of the devotees, and become of some use to myself and those around me as far as bring able to touch lives with Krsna consciousness.

All glories to your service, prabhu, and please forgive me if I have created any disturbance or discouragement for you. your Godsister,

Jayaradhe dasi

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3) From Ganapati prabhu

Dear Puranjana Prabhu, paoho, agt Srila Prabhupada!

> PADA: So rather than have the buck stop at
> people Sanat/Puru, where it belongs, Sanat is passing the buck to Srila
> Prabhupada by introducing this Puru theory that Srila Prabhupada wanted
> Kirtanananda to be the next big leader/ acharya? Jaggadisha and Nirmal's
> conclusion?

GD: For those Iskcon devotees who are still confused: told ya these idiots like sanat/ mukunda/ puru/ etc are GBC men in disguise, trust us. Wait and see if this ain't the truth, every time they open their snake-mouth things are looking more and more ugly. First they've attacked all of us Prabhupadanugas/PADA for criticizing their homo-gang pretending to be gurus. Mukunda's gang even says "the Prabhupadanuga gang are the bad guys, because the Kirtanananda gang are the good guys." Of course, this is what these GBC supporter rascals have said all along, so why are they pretending to be the big "Prabhupada" devotees?

Then, they've attacked the poor innocent kids victimized by their vicious clique of homo-gooroos. Then, they have glorified themselves more than anyone else (sanat/ mukunda/ puru, all each to other) those who for many years closed their eyes to their own regime of GBC homo-torture, which they even aided and abetted, while meanwhile Puranjana was dodging bullets while these fools provided the bullets. Then they say, we do not like the people who tried to save the devotees from the GBC/ Keith Ham gooroo program, rather we like the Puru/ Gaduiya Matha/ Kirtanananda gang. Because Puru still supports their good ole boy GBC gooroos like Keith Ham? And now these guys are so blind they still think that the torturers of devotees, women, children and cows are "nice gentlemen."

Then some woman from Gita Nagari says that even the meat eaters treat their cows better than their "nice gentleman" gooroo Ham sandwich does. Then they say working for karmis is bad, because they are not as bad as their gooroo? Then they say, hey lets have nice World War III, like their top 'gopi servants' gooroos Keith Ham and cheeses, Ramesvara, Hansadutta, Harikesha all prayed for as well. Yup. Lets kill all of the devotees, why just a few like only Puranjana?

Then they've welcomed in NNV to say very nasty things against innocent ladies. And even after one lady gave tearful confirmations of her tortures, these fools never even apologized to her for speaking ill of her, making up lies about her, and trying to defame and discredit her. Rather they enjoy their insulting of Draupadi actions. So this is their idea, they torture and harass the abused and they glorify and protect their abusive gooroos, especially when they are like Keith hamburger, still sitting in Srila Prabhupada's seat. And when they find some nice another abuser, they make him as their next big pal and leader.

They've launched a forceful and heavily worded campaign to reintroduce as "guru tattva" their multiple murderer pal, a mentally sick weirdo pedophile named Keith Ham and steak (Kirtanananda, still in jail for most obnoxious crimes against innocent devotees and their kids). Then, after saying the Prabhupada worshippers are the bad and evil guys, these Sanat/ Mukunda are still calling Kirtanananda a 'good guy, a nice gentleman, a nice devotee of the Lord, and a person who is a guru and so we should not criticize him.' But that is what they said all before (??).

Then these coyotes welcomed Jagadisha and Nirmal's idea that that Srila Prabhupada appointed some fools like Keith Ham and pork as gooroos. And now they keep on canvassing for uninformed but passionate supporters like Caturbahu who doesn't have a clue what's really going on!!! And in the end, these morons started even glorifiying the Gaudiya Matha false guru supporters, those who were sickened by very same type of diseases as post '77 Iskcon!!! More homosex gooroos? These guys never changed?

>PADA:
> By the way "bhogha" is STILL being offered to photos of Kirtanananda at the
> temple Puru frequents, and as Sanat knows, this means that the people
> eating it may become homosexuals since they imbibe the qualities of the
> "remnants." So it is evident that Sanat is still trying to make children
> become homosexual worshippers by eating such "prasad." He has not changed
> his old ways. At all. By the way, this also means that Sanat is glorifying
> the killers of Srila Prabhupada and Sulochana. So Sanat is endorsing that
> we have to eat "guru and devotee killer prasad" which will make more guru
> and devotee killers, since one becomes what he worships? Of course, as
> Sulochana pointed out, Puru (Sanat's) Kirtanandana guru eats kids genitals
> for lunch as well....]

> Caturbahu: It is very important to us who we're aligned with.

GD: Yup. Even after the tons of vivid evidence, Caturbahu still chose to kiss the ass of the people that are the core-support to the homosexual 'guru-lineage', and he thinks these are 'the right people'. Huuh!!! My goodness! OK, CB, let me see how big your brain is: oh, can't see it by the naked eye, perhaps we need a magnifying lenses here... Then, after the evidence is in, CB apologizes to the supporters of Keith Hamburgler gooroo, and the Gaudiya Matha homo guru squad?

>CB:Bad boy, (this Puranjana). Very
> ungentilemanly conduct. Bad form, bad form.

> CB: Have we again given milk to a snake? Knock it off and pay attention.)
> This Puranjana is embracing one of the most wholly offensive acts to hit
> this planet.

GD: Well, even trees know by now that Puranjana kicks asses of all Iskcon criminals, and he's especially heavy with homo-pedophile idiots, which is a sign of a damn good and intelligent person. What about Caturbahu mushbrain? Not only he's stupid enough to give credits to another gang of stupos like sanat/ mukunda/ CB/ NNV/ puru/ etc, but all of them also regularly lie. Lie hell out of every statement they make about them being the best 'prabhupadanugas'! They're ain't what they want us to believe they are. In reality, they're just straight GBC scumsuckers. Who else with healthy brain in universe would like to chop victimized Iskcon kids into a dog-food? Hallo, Caturbahu, why don't you switch your brain on, sometimes? Then they also lied that Puranjana supports Nirmal's statements, but that is because they are the ones supporting that Prabhupada hand selected Ham ass? They not only lied, but they are the ones directly supporting Nirmal's idea?

> CB: This can be one of those thing that separates the demon from devotee.
> It is a no brainier at even the candala level. To be associated with these
> most heinous accusations against Srila Prabhupada, is to be part
> of the conspiracy of BLASPHEMY TO THE GURU OF THE UNIVERSE!!!!

GD: Sure, but you Caturbahu have consciously grouped with exactly the worst type of bozos, so why do you try to sound learned, when every lady and the kid already know that your beloved pals are the most dangerous elements in the universe (see Sri Isopanishad, Mantras 9-12 for reference)...!!!???

> It could have been handled a little bit better, but he insist on this
> format, so I would like to give it to him. A one word reply is sufficient
> and requested. Thank you, Hare Krsna. Caturbahu dasa Bhakti
>
> [PADA: Well, the Sanat/ Linda/ Mukunda team are trying to make it look like
> Srila Prabhupada created a homosexual guru cult, worshipping Kirtanananda,
> so they can save themselves. They are doing exactly what Jaggadisha and
> Nirmal are doing. Except Sanat is pretending to be a reformer. Thanks pd]

GD: Well, we already know the answer: you'll never get any answer from this crazy group, Caturbahu. And, as soon as you awake for reality, and offer apologize to all innocent victmized devotees you've offended by your stupid crediting of gbc-clone motons, then we've offering our apologize to you, too,

Ganapati das & devotees from Europe.

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4) REGULAR GURUS

> Dear Harinam and Visoka Prabhus,
>
> When I read the text of the May 28th conversation and considered
> Srila Prabhupada's use of the term "regular guru", he did not seem to
> be saying that a regular guru is a self-effulgent maha-bhagavata pure
> devotee. "Regular guru, that's all," he said. Regular guru and
> nothing more, conversant with the science of Krishna consciousness
> but still under regulation. Not necessarily a liberated soul. The
> references I have found indicate that "regular" means "following the
> rules and regulations of Krishna consciousness."

Yes there are different grades of gurus perfectional (objective) and aspiring (subjective) and instructions from them are proportional to the degree of their advancement. Therefore Srila Prabhupada stated that diksa-guru ideally is in the uttama-adhikari stage of realization (Nectar of Instructions verse 5 purport). See also my post on Objective and Subjective Gurus

> Srila Prabhupada also taught that there is only one kind of guru, and
> that is one who repeats what Krishna has taught. In our basic books
> like Bhagavad-gita, Nectar of Devotion, Teachings of Lord Caitanya,
> Sri Isopanisad, Srimad Bhagavatam First Canto, there is no mention of
> the distinction between siksa and diksa guru. Neither are these terms
> mentioned in the May 28th conversation, the July 9th letter or in
> Srila Prabhupada's will.

And yet these different words are not one and the same. The main distinction that should be made is that only Srila Prabhupada should be formally worshipped in Iskcon.

> Those who perform initiations, the officiating acaryas, must be
> highly qualified to act as his representatives. As Srila Prabhupada
> said, "Be actually guru." But he never indicated that regular gurus
> could replace him as spiritual master of the Hare Krishna movement.

He never said that he would be replaced in ISKCON period nor his morning guru puja stopped!

> To perform initiations on Srila Prabhupada's behalf one must be
> advanced in Krishna consciousness, but if no one is qualified to act
> as an officiating acarya, then no initiations should be performed
> because it will have no effect anyway.

Officiating acarya is does not have to be as uttama-adhikari because Srila Prabhupada's complete vani is recorded in his books and anyone can "hear" him by reading. This along with his temple program is sufficient to receive his diksa (knowledge by which all sin is destroyed).

> One day, hopefully, devotees will resolve the ritvik/diksa guru
> debate and accept the simple initiation formula recommended by His
> Divine Grace. It behooves all of us to bring the debate to a
> conclusion so that the preaching work can go on without further
> decline. Srila Prabhupada expressed this most urgently in a letter to
> Madhudvisa (12-15-73) when he wrote:
>
> "We have got so much vital spiritual knowledge to distribute to
> the public and they are in desperate need of it. The whole world is
> going to hell and everyone is suffering. In light of this, how can we
> argue amongst one another and neglect our responsibility for
> reclaiming these fallen souls for going back to home, back to
> Godhead."

> Hoping this finds you in good health and a blissful serving mood.
> Your servant, Locanananda dasa

Agreed. Srila Prabhupada's direct disciples can solve the problem of ISKCON's falling image. Unfortunately they were all kicked out of ISKCON if they did not worship the 11 neophyte ritvik appointees as good as Krishna and Srila Prabhupada.

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01) http://members.tripod.com/gurupoison (Tamal indictment)
02) http://mitglied.lycos.de/pada/ pada newsletter archive

03) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933 Poison tape
04) Poison tape transcript:
04) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/19990519.htm
05) http://www.winink.com/tkg/ Poison whispers
06) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/poison/poison.htm Poison issue
07) http://www.egroups.com/group/Vaisnavacouncil (Visoka cyber istagosthi)
08) http://www.krsna.tv (underground Hare Krishna web site)
09) www.prabhupada.cc Prabhupada samkirtana site
10) http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/padaweb/puranjan.html Puranjana's Site
11) http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc GBC expose
12) http://pages.infinit.net/pragosh/home.html French site
13) http://members.aol.com/gauridas Gauridasa's site
14) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/ Rocana's site
15) www.harekrsna.de "Hare Krsna Homepage" (German)
16) http://members.nbci.com/prabhupada/ ISKCON Reform (German)
17) German translation of Final Order (pdf)
17) http://members.nbci.com/prabhupada/final.htm
18) http://members.xoom.com/prabhupada/ (German Expose)
19) http://www.equalsouls.org/tkg Srila Prabhupada wanted to be poisoned?
20) http://www.surrealist.org/gurukula/ Nandini's history site
21) http://www.krishnabooks.org Guptas KBI Books (he is a cheat)
22) http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc/ GBC
23) "illicit sex guru" rationalizations:
23) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/iskcon/right.htm
24) http://www.artnet.net/~yasoda/index.htm Appointment tape fraud
25) http://www.asitis.com Original Bhagavad-gita As It Is
26) http://krsnabook.com Original Krsna Book
27) http://www.krishna.org Prabhupada Hare Krishna News Network
28) http://folio.bhaktivedanta.org S.P. Folio Infobase CD-ROM
29) http://realaudio.bhaktivedanta.org Prabhupada RealAudio Archive
30) http://mp3.bhaktivedanta.org Prabhupada MP3 Bhajans, 2 CD set
31) www.domgbc.org (Direction Of Management)
32) www.acbspn.com/ Prabhupada Network
33) www.ROOPA.org (Raghunatha dasa's world economics proposal)
34) http://www.prabhupada.com/ BBT archives site
35) http://www.govinda.net (first editions of S.P. books)

36) http://www.JitendriyaBooks.com Trading original SP. books
37) http://krsna.kgb.cz/hlavni.htm Prague Czech-devotees (english site)
38) http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/das/articles.htm (DAS)
39) http://www.com.org/hb/ptd/cyber_gurukula.htm (Cyber gurukula)

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