BRAHMA BHUTA DASA of the IRM still says that since his team worships CHAKRA's socks, and he accepts their homosexual pedophile voted in guru's site as his authorities, he has defeated pada. Ummm, what? Wake up dude, no one accepts their authority, except yourselves at the IRM? And now people are leaving the IRM, ummm, no kidding, because what do you defend? Srila Prabhupada? No. The GBC's CHAKRA site. Tamal's best pals are your IRM authorites and this defeats pada? No, this defeats your IRM. By the way, the CHAKRA site also says that acharyas like Srila Prabhupada are blameless for the problems that went on, because they are pure, simultaneously, CHAKRA guys like Jayadvaita say that their acharyas have engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children? This is the spotless activity of the pure and blameless gurus? Huh? Then CHAKRA folks say Narayana Maharaja is bogus (because he says things like that gurus fall down?) which is: exactly what CHAKRA says? The black pot calling the other black pot black? And this is the site the IRM still steers people to for "defeating pada"?
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vous pouvez voir le calendrier vaisnava pour la côte est sur ce site:
http://www.geocities.com/pragosh/
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1) MP3 Mania update
Dear Prabhus, please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada! The Bhaktivedanta Archives has jumped on the MP3 bandwagon by releasing a set of three MP3 CDs (http://www.prabhupada.com/acatalog/All_Products_MP3_Ministry_83.html). They charge US$5.95 each. These are the best quality MP3 versions of Srila Prabhupada's lectures and conversations, because they were made from the "Bhaktivedanta CD Ministry (Best of the Best)" series.
However, they apparently didn't do their homework, because these MP3 CDs DO NOT WORK with portable MP3 CD players. The good news is that our set of 3 MP3 CDs are exactly the same high quality as the BA's 3 CD set, and are identical in every way except that ours are guaranteed to work with any and all portable MP3 CD players (http://www.pratyatosa.com/SP_MP3_Order_Info.htm), and we sell them for only US $3.00 each.
We call these 3 MP3 CDs CDM-01-20, CDM-21-40 and CDM-41-60 The BA calls their versions MP3-1, MP3-2 and MP3-3.
The GBC has always refused to pass anything against copying Srila Prabhupada's
audio recordings, and even if they did, public lectures and performances are not
copyrightable. Therefore, I am strongly encouraging you to purchase these transcendental
CDs, and then make copies of them for all of the other devotees in your community.
You could even start your own mail order business! Prabhus, this MP3 file distribution
is the "big mrdanga" of the 21st century, so please don't miss the boat!
Your servant,
Pratyatosa Dasa
pratyatosa@hotmail.com
http://www.pratyatosa.com/
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2) DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH...
>Harinama: We hope that the GBC will see the light short of going before the judge.
All glories to your service, Harinam prabhu, and I agree with you per the value
of a petition, and agree with your petition. But don't hold your breath on the
gbc, they didn't stop the rape of children before getting called before the judge!
In fact, last I heard it is still going on.
ys MVD
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3) SARANAGATI "POWER STRUGGLE."
Apparently the "Narayana Maharaja" folks are trying to "take over" Saranagati farm, the ISKCON farm in Canada. This is perhaps why the GBC's "un-official" web site called "CHAKRA" is giving all of us their recent criticisms of the NM folks of late, as various ISKCON centers are more and more being besieged with NM's followers. And what can we say? The GBC is to blame for this since they worked hand in glove with NM from 1984-1993, if not longer, and thus it is the GBC who are the ones who invited him to speak all over ISKCON as their big "rasika guru/ advisor." And so the GBC are mainly to blame for making him theirs, and everyone else in ISKCON's, top "shiksha advisor" for so many years and bringing his influences into ISKCON.
If NM's "siddhanta" was so bad all along, as the GBC now alleges, why was the GBC promoting him as their biggest cheerleader/ advisor for so long? Why was the GBC quoting him in their documents like the 1990 ISKCON Journal? Why was even Ravindra going to meet with him? And why were Tamal, Satsvarupa, and a host of other GBC and their gurus camped out with him, always visiting him, always inviting him over to speak at ISKCON temples and so on? And the GBCs were indeed getting "special rasika instructions about the gopis" (?) from NM? Was it not the GBC who said "we need a rasika guru" i.e. Narayana Maharaja? Was he not the darling of the GBC, promoting them as big acharyas, and for many years he was acting as their biggest defense attorney? Well, yes.
So if NM is such a motivated man that "he wants to takeover ISKCON," as some GBC types now allege, then why was he their darling for more than ten years? And why is the GBC taking "rasika gopi" classes from a "guru" they now say is a motivated politician engaged in takeover plots? So this is the problem, the GBC's current criticism has little credibility since it was the GBC itself that promoted NM for so many years. And some have reported to pada that there seems to be some substance to the GBC complaint in factual basis? The NM group is not making many "new devotees" but rather: they seem to be primarily concentrating on camping out and "hanging on" at various ISKCON centers, not making their own centers, and they are apparently trying to hijack various centers as the GBC alleges? And so this tends to make it look like there is a takeover plot?
From pada's point of view we do not care that much if their is a "plot"
or not, because whether it is the GBC's bogus gurus, or their various Gaudiya
Matha styled backers and cheerleaders for many years like NM, they are all the
same --in siddhanta-- because they all said: the GBCs (homosexual pedophile guru
lineage) are acharyas; that gurus fall down; and so on, and in sum they have the
same relativised acharya siddhanta. We would argue that the GBC and NM were and
are wrong when they said that the GBC are acharyas, that gurus fall down, and
so on. Anyway, the good news is that this battle is draining the GBC so badly
they are perhaps allowing some of us Prabhupadanugas to function without harassing
us too much since they are too busy with their other problem: the NM folks. Hey,
hey, hey. And once NM departs his movement will flounder and disintegrate exactly
as the Sridhara movement floundered with no "living successor." So we
will win in the end because we have an eternal successor, not just a temporary
one, namely we have the eternal Srila Prabhupada.
thanks pd
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4) BANGALORE update.
The rumor we just heard is that they are going to quit the IRM, will be joining
back into ISKCON, but they will still be making "current" disciples
of Srila Prabhupada (de facto ritvik) under an "extraordinary" agreement
with the GBC. Read: the GBC may have had to capitulate with Madhu Pandit dasa,
or else lose one of their most opulent, best income and devotee making temples,
with the smartest new devotees (Bangalore is the capital of the computer business
for India and many of the brahmacharis are ex-computer nerds). To sum, Bangalore
is a powerful base for our idea: ...and it is going on strong there! And no, this
is not all due to Adri's mercy as he advertised for so long. No wonder the Bangalore
folks want to get away from this IRM show -bottle crew. The IRM is disintegrating
because they tried to be showmen like the GBC, oh look at our great preaching
(which we stole from the Prabhupadanugas), are we not swell? And then the IRM
went to CHAKRA for philosophical backing? This startled many folks, but made much
sense to us? You can remove the camphor from the pot but it still smells like
camphor? IRM says the illicit sex with men, women and children guru sabha are
their "IRM's authorities." And then they wonder why people are trying
to get distanced from that? And then there is a huge molester case thanks to IRM's
big cheeze newfound backers/ authorities, and they still do not even apologize
and retract their support of that sabha?
When Jayapataka first said he was going to get some of his goondas to go there
and attack Madhu's boys, they said, ok, come on over, we have 70 young and strong
guys here, including a few big weight lifters, and we will kick your -- fanny!
Just lately, the GBC also gave them permission to print the original edition books.
So, it is the domino effect, one little two little, three little temples. So this
means we may reform ISKCON or not, we personally do not know whether this will
be the full formal institutional program or not, but we DO want to make sure everyone
is able to become Srila Prabhupada's disciples without paying the tithe to the
medieval GBC papal bull edict, whether in or out of institutional ISKCON! In sum,
we are going to win back the whole institution, and the original books, etc. and
it is merely a question of time. And the re-integration of the Bangalore folks
back into ISKCON does not mean they are now going to worship Gopal Krishna and
quit worship of Srila Prabhupada, hey, hey, hey.
thanks pd
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5) GBC'S NEW VANISHING ACT
Well chalk this up for the legal board. Another lesser known GBC guru, Suriya dasa (?) now visiting Berkeley, says that the idea of a GBC acting as proxies is "not found in shastra" (as many of our other contemporaries state as well). Ditto heads? And instead, we all need to have (no actual GBC but rather) ...living gurus? Umm and these gurus are: some of the GBCs? Who do not exist? Says shastra? Have ya got that yet?
And moreover, these gurus that we all need are "2/3 show of hands voted in," oh oh, says their documents, by whom else, ...the GBC? Who do not exist? But their bank balances do exist? OK it gets worse. The GBCs do not exist and are not found in shastra, but they are having their annual meetings and making tons of wacko documents every year? And they are kicking us out? They do not exist, so why are they even talking at all?
But I like this idea, I can rob the bank and if anyone asks, I just say, what robbers? We do not exist? Have ye not read shastra? Now turn the other way while we steal the loot! I like this plan! Oh, also, don't fergit, he says there is no guarantee that any of these GBC's gurus, who do not exist, but they are living gurus nonetheless, ...will not fall down. And in fact we should expect that many parampara members have and will continue to fall down (and they are or they become homosexuals? Well yep.). There is a real vote of confidence folks, I am the guru, but I may not be tommorow when I'm caught in the naked dancing club. Oh fer sure.
The sum total of the demigods, might start a pot and sex club. Are you not feeling more confident here? And he has handily volunteered to be worshipped as the sum total of the demigods, but he might be in the sex club next week? That is his insurance policy in case he gets caught there? Suspicious eh? No, wrong, he does not exist? You are not paying attention!
He also said that gurus fall down because this is the standard all along as was clearly established: in the Gaudiya Matha? Didn't the GBC just now, oops forgot, they do not exist, write a bunch of papers why we should not visit with Narayana Maharaja, and follow his Gaudiya Matha type ideas?
So we rank and file are forbidden to follow the Gaudiya Matha, but the GBC can, ooops that is when and if they exist, and do not forget that: gurusuh narah matih, anyone who says gurus fall down is a resident of hell, and that is what we gurus say: gurus fall down. Which opposes shastra. And do not forget that! OK, you can forget that and that we exist, just make sure your money is in the collection box, which does exist! Or we might not fall down and we might be as pure as Jesus, ya have to place your dice on the table. I might be Jesus, but then again I might be Satan, who can say, and moreover, when you ask too many questions, I do not exist at all. Got to love these guys!
Now that we got ya all confused, can ya give this guru a little more donations, my silver plates are getting tarnished? Oh wuunaful! So there you have it folks, you have to worship the non existent, fer sure the non eternal as: pure and eternal, says this guru? Who was appointed by the GBC. Amd they do not exist? Despite that he also admits that he may not be either pure or eternal? And he might end up in the sex club next week, or he might be going there already?
In sum, we might find signs of life of this group at the naked dance club?
Which is moreover, probable to happen, because that also happened in the Gaudiya
Matha? Which you are forbidden to follow. And if you ask me these questions one
more time, I will cease to exist. Says shastra. Now, can somebody please translate
all this for us common non shastric folks?
thanks pd
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6) PADA to Mahaksya dasa
Srila Prabhupada establishes that his society will continue to worship the pure devotee, and the words, vani and books of the pure devotee, i.e. himself, through a system of GBC or proxies. He never said that this is a temporary or managerial or organizational order? When did he say his continued worship, via his GBC system, was a mundane and/or institutional and/or temporary and/or management arrangement or whatever, ideal? He never said that?
No. Rather he said that anyone who follows his instructions, and reads his books, and has accepted him as guru is elegible for eternal life. What is (mundane) institution here? I'm lost? Anyone who follows his orders and worships the pure devotee, whether now or ten million years from now, is able to go back to Godhead. This is a mere temporary institutional model? No, and he said that even the gopis worship their guru Radharani just like we should worship our elevated acharyas, and our example is Srila Prabhupada.
These are eternal ideals? This is all eternal, we have to worship the pure devotee, it is not a temporal institutional model? It is eternal. We have to worship the resident of Krishna loka and he arranged for that by a GBC system. This is not mundane institutional anything? It is the words of the pure devotee? You keep losing us when you say the worship of the pure devotee, as he established by his GBC system whether for one year, ten years, or ten trillion years, who cares since it is eternal, is merely an institution? Worship of the sum total of the demigods is some temporary institution? No, it is eternal? Where does he say worship of the pure devotee is some institutional ideal? He never said that?
Even the demigods worship Srila Prabhupada, sarva deva maya, so why can't we also do the same, as indeed, he ordered by his GBC system that we must do? We are lost here? Srila Prabhupada said we must worship the pure devotee just like the gopis worship Radharani, and this means it is a mundane institution? We are frankly bewildered by your statements? What is your exact point?
This is rather the timeless age old statement of Bhagavad Gita, by accepting
and worshipping the tattva darshi guru one is eligible to go back home, and Srila
Prabhupada said simply by touching his book one was elevated spiritually. This
has nothing to do with institutional modus or anything else that is temporary,
these are all eternal facts. And so he said, continue to worship the pure devotee
by a GBC system, or what you might imply is an organizational system, who cares,
the point is, we have to worship the pure devotee and that is the essence of the
GBC model HE ORDERED. And as such this is fully bona fide since it is his order.
He placed no time line on when this would end? Why? Because there is no superior
order to worship of the pure devotee? Or what?
your bewildered servant pd
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7) Srila Prabhupada 100% ends the Ritvik debate
771018r2.vrn
Prabhupada: So I have deputed some of you to initiate. Hm?
Tamala Krsna: Yes. Actually... Yes, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: So I think Jayapataka can do that if he likes.
I have already deputed. Tell him.
Tamala Krsna: Yes.
Prabhupada: So, deputies, Jayapataka's name was there?
Bhagavan: It is already on there, Srila Prabhupada. His name was on that list.
Prabhupada: So I depute him to do this at Mayapura, and you may go with him.
I stop for the time being. Is that all right?
Tamala Krsna: Stopped doing what, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: This initiation. I have deputed the, my disciples. Is it clear or
not?
Giriraja: It's clear.
Prabhupada: You have got the list of the names?
Tamala Krsna: Yes, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: And if by Krsna's grace I recover from this condition, then I
shall begin again, or I may not be pressed in this condition to initiate. It
is not good.
Giriraja: We will explain to him so that he will understand properly.
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01) http://members.tripod.com/gurupoison
(Tamal indictment)
02) http://mitglied.lycos.de/pada/
pada newsletter archive
03) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933
Poison tape
04) Poison tape transcript:
04) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/19990519.htm
05) http://www.winink.com/tkg/
Poison whispers
06)
http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/poison/poison.htm
Poison issue
07)
http://www.egroups.com/group/Vaisnavacouncil
(Visoka cyber istagosthi)
08)
http://www.krsna.tv (underground
Hare Krishna web site)
09) www.prabhupada.cc Prabhupada samkirtana site
10) http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/padaweb/puranjan.html
Puranjana's Site
11) http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc
GBC expose
12) http://pages.infinit.net/pragosh/home.html
French site
13) http://members.aol.com/gauridas
Gauridasa's site
14) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/
Rocana's site
15) www.harekrsna.de
"Hare Krsna Homepage" (German)
16) http://members.nbci.com/prabhupada/
ISKCON Reform (German)
17) German translation of Final Order (pdf)
17) http://members.nbci.com/prabhupada/final.htm
18) http://members.xoom.com/prabhupada/
(German Expose)
19) http://www.equalsouls.org/tkg
Srila Prabhupada wanted to be poisoned?
20) http://www.surrealist.org/gurukula/
Nandini's history site
21) http://www.krishnabooks.org
Guptas KBI Books (he is a cheat)
22) http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc/
GBC
23) "illicit sex
guru" rationalizations:
23) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/iskcon/right.htm
24) http://www.artnet.net/~yasoda/index.htm
Appointment tape fraud
25) http://www.asitis.com
Original Bhagavad-gita As It Is
26) http://krsnabook.com
Original Krsna Book
27) http://www.krishna.org
Prabhupada Hare Krishna News Network
28) http://folio.bhaktivedanta.org
S.P. Folio Infobase CD-ROM
29) http://realaudio.bhaktivedanta.org
Prabhupada RealAudio Archive
30) http://mp3.bhaktivedanta.org
Prabhupada MP3 Bhajans, 2 CD set
31) www.domgbc.org
(Direction Of Management)
32) www.acbspn.com/ Prabhupada
Network
33) www.ROOPA.org
(Raghunatha dasa's world economics proposal)
34)
http://www.prabhupada.com/
BBT archives site
35)
http://www.govinda.net (first
editions of S.P. books)
36) http://www.JitendriyaBooks.com
Trading original SP. books
37) http://krsna.kgb.cz/hlavni.htm
Prague Czech-devotees (english site)
38) http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/das/articles.htm (DAS)
39) http://www.com.org/hb/ptd/cyber_gurukula.htm (Cyber gurukula)