For some questions from India:
Thanks for your mails, I'll reply to them later. Have you heard the audio of Srila Prabhupada saying he is being poisoned? This, it would seem, is the root issue crime? They killed him and usurped his movement? If you cannot hear the audio let me know, I can send you an audio tape I made in 1997 by post, by the way later we found whispers with the leaders talking about poisoning him (after 1997) -- on the same tape. Also, read "Child Molesters: Gurus" our document on the child abuse issue. thanks, puranjana dasa
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/
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1) MAHAKSHYA WRITES:
Haribol, folks, There is no discrimination from this quarter, to those who are disciples initiated by bonafide disciples of Srila Prabhupada, there is no difference between grand disciples and disciples. Sriman Tripurari Swami recently spoke on the issue of diksa ettiquette. Not only did he affirm the duty of a disciple to present his disciples to his guru for diksa initiation, he also affirmed that such a guru would "never" re-initiate one who was previously initiated by a bonafide spiritual master.
[PADA: Good! Then this proves that Tripurari swami is bogus --by his own admission? The Gaudiya Matha folks "reinitiate" Srila Prabhupada's disciples --with new names-- all the time, as our Tripurari swami knows very well. Worse, the Gaudiya Matha's "advisors," such as Sridhara Maharaja, Narayana Maharaja et al., boosted the GBC's "re-initiation" (scam) idea as well. Thus Tripurari's Gaudiya Matha "advisors" endorsed: That folks like Bhavananda, a known homosexual pedophile, are "giving initiations." Thus: severe deviants, even child molesters either are, were our could be components the Vaishnava "diksha guru" lineage.
According to them, the GBC's first wave of gurus, namely some of their homosexual pedophile "guru" class, "gave diksha," and now you need another "diksha." And from whom? The "next wave" of "gurus." And who are they? Those "voted in as guru" by the homosexual pedophile's lineage class? Worse, Tripurari swami was begging the GBC to make him one of their next wave of gurus when we met him some years ago in San Francisco, since he too wanted to get rubber stamped as "diksha guru" by the homosexual pedophile gurus and/or their founder fathers? And then, after the GBC reinistated a known homosexual pedophile as their guru, Narayana Maharaja joined the GBC as their biggest booster, cheerleader, and "rasika advisor"? This is another person Tripurari says --is a guru? And even now, when Tripurari visits LA, all of the followers of the homosexual pedophile lineage there lick his boots, as we have also seen recently.
And Dheera Krishna swami, Tripurari swami's old pal (who introduced him to the Gaudiya Matha ideology) was re-initiated as "(Su) Dheera." So this is a very good admission, it means Tripurai admits his lineage is bogus, especially since his original friend in this lineage was "re-initiated" with a new initiation name. Similarly, Narayana Maharaja gave Jadurani a new initiation name, and some of the followers of Gaura Govinda swami were similarly "re-initiated" with new names and so on and so forth. This process is bogus he says, and yet Tripurari's current guru lineage has engaged in it. Worse, we know of one poor woman who went to the Gaudiya Matha and she was "re-initiated" four times. And recently it is said that her daughter was having sex with a "sannyasa guru" successor to Sridhara Maharaja -- Tripurari's lineage.]
MD: This is well known ettiquette, and has been directly commented upon by Srila Prabhupada, who noted the discrepancy when his disciples were initiating while he was physically present.
[PADA: And the Gaudiya Matha is also reinitiating his disciples which he says is a personal insult to him.]
MD: During such discussions with the parties involved, never did he mention that such a move was wrong, that the disciple was demoniac for doing such a thing, he simply reminded the devotees that one should always present their disciples to their Guru.
[PADA: Not really, Srila Prabhupada said for example that Kirtanananda wanted simply to be an unauthorized guru, and therefore his future is very dark. It is too. He also said that Hansadutta was very wrong to place his own photo on the altar, and so on, so he did not approve. Moreover, he does not approve of the Gaudiya Matha gurus, calling them unuathorized, and sometimes snakes. Mahakshya, read it again Sam. thanks pd]
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2) SURPRISED?
By Radha Krsna dasa
Mexico City
Did ISKCON's recent attempt to violently oust Adridharana Prabhu from the Calcutta temple surprise you? Well it shouldn't. Rogue actions are a standard tactic in the GBC's bag of tricks, one of the many Machiavellian techniques they are ready to employ to preserve the "Pax Iskconiana." Personally, I did not find this latest episode of the ISKCON saga surprising. In fact, based on my experience, I found it distinctly unsurprising, almost predictable, for a couple of reasons. One, it tallies with my longstanding perception that illusion has stolen the good intelligence of ISKCON's leaders. Over the last 25 years, those at the top of the ISKCON foodchain have systematically turned this Movement into a marginal group riddled with ineptitude and fortified with impunity. And two, I have directly witnessed the same tactics by the same people on earlier occasions. Allow me to share this with you.
In 1984 in Colombia, although Alanath Swami was preaching very successfully the GBC considered him inadequately submissive to their authority. His emerging leadership was obviously a threat to their institutional leadership, and their insecurity and immaturity played out as condescending and abusive treatment by the regional GBC leadership, namely Hrdayananda Goswami, Jayapataka Swami and Panchadravida Swami. For example, they continuously tried to sabotage his programs, turn his own people against him and minimize his work. Matters reached a breaking point during the Mayapura Festival, where Alanath notified the GBC that he had had enough. He and the other local leaders refused to any longer recognize the authority of the regional GBCs until the matter was resolved through an impartial GBC delegation.
He indicated that the GBC delegation could include anyone except--for obvious reasons--Jayapataka and Hrdayananada. Eventually a delegation was formed, and Hrdayananda called one day before its departure for Colombia to tell me that I was to be part of it. The arrangement was for me to fly to Miami where I would join Satsvarupa Goswami, Prahladananda Swami, and possibly Atreya Rsi Prabhu.
But lo and behold, upon arriving in Miami I found Jayapataka was also there, ready to fly down! He assured me everything had been worked out and that Alanath had agreed to his coming, a statement I knew to be blatantly false because hours earlier I had spoken with Alanath, who reaffirmed his insistence that Jayapataka (a person he did not trust) not be included. The plot thickened as all through breakfast, Hrdayananda called Satsvarupa and fed him the names of gullible Colombian devotees who could be "turned," as well as ideas on how to storm the temple in Bogota. It reminded me more of a "mini Bay of Pigs operation" than a group of sadhus trying to resolve a conflict.
By keeping my eyes open I was able to to assemble the pieces of the plot, which was to unfold as follows: I was to fly down clandestinely with Jayapataka and two others. Two hours later the official delegation (Satsvarupa, Prahladananda and the rest) would fly down to be received at the airport by the local leadership. This would give the "covert" first group time to reach the temple unopposed and brainwash the devotees against Alanath. Voila. Finito. Mission accomplished. Many souls would be saved and ISKCON would be victorious.
However, once I understood the deviousness of this plan put together by Jayapataka and Hrdayananda, I called my office in Los Angeles and told them to alert Alanath. I never considered this an act against ISKCON but an act against the unlawful, deceitful and misguided behaviour of those running it. This extends to Satsvarupa, "Saintly Sats," who was a full participant in the deception, even implicating his disciple in the subtrefuge. Ironically, he has written a book entitled "Truthfulness, the Last Leg of Religion."
As our plane passed over Cuba, Jayapataka revealed that Alanath actually didn't know about him coming and explained his final version of the plan to "save" the temple. But the surprise was on him. After clearing Immigration and Customs he was ready to roll, but was instead shocked to find Alanath & Co. awaiting him in the airport's lobby, where, in the midst of hundreds of onlookers, he boldly denounced Jayapataka as a cheater and a crook. A short time later, Saintly Sats arrived to the same treatment. Within 48 hours we were back in the U.S., minus the $10,000.00 that had been wasted on plane tickets and hotels. As a result of this "brilliant" operation, the devotees of Colombia permanently severed all ties with ISKCON. A whole country with temples, farms, and restaurants was no longer part of ISKCON. To date, ISKCON has not recovered from this fiasco, and it struggles even to exist in Colombia.
Were Jayapataka, Hrdayananda and Satsvarupa ever held accountable for this debacle? Of course not. The show must go on. But behind the facade of devotion, erudition and saintliness lies a gangster mentality ever-ready to preserve at all costs a flawed system of institutional authority. For those surprised at Satsvarupa's involvement here, this simply shows how contagious is the atmosphere of decadence in ISKCON. Even someone with a mystique of saintlyness ends up an accomplice to his power-hungry peers.
So don't let the Calcutta attacks surprise you. It has happened before and will happen again, unless and until the Movement regains its purity. But, of course, if that were to happen, we would all be surprised.
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3) CONTROL IS NOT LEADERSHIP
Dear Puranjana Prabhu, pamho. agtSP.
R: Control is not leadership; management is not leadership; leadership is leadership. If you seek to lead, invest at least 50% of your time in leading yourself -- your own purpose, ethics, principles, motivation, conduct. Invest at least 20% leading those with authority over you and 15% leading your peers. -- Dee Hock, Founder and CEO Emeritus, Visa
* >And so they orchestrated a "hit" (murder) on Sulochana, and according to
R: Did the GBC's (Governing Body of Culprits) who orchestered this 'hit' get arrested or not?
[PADA: No. Ramesvara and others were not ever legally implicated.]
* >Berkeley police officer Joe Sanchez, I was next on their "hit list." This is why we have openly said that the GBC are the "enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles" regime, because they can and they will use force, even murder, to make sure that the whole world and especially little children will worship their homosexual guru lineage. And no one can argue with us on this point?
R: Prabhuji, which GBC says to worship homosexual guru lineage? Can you please name him? As far as our knowledge goes, no GBC says so. At least we have never heard. May be we are in ignorance. Please enlighten us.
[PADA: The GBC STILL says for example that Bhavananda was a diksha guru (just like Srila Prabhupada was a diksha guru?) and that his disciples were "initiated," i.e. they got diksha. And now you need to be "reinitated" by the people that Bhavananada types voted in as guru? This is all in the GBC's documents. Yes, the GBC says that homosexual pedophiles are components of the Vaishnava guru lineage. And they have consistently stated this in many GBC annual report documents. For example, in 1988 they penned a document stating that gurus become demons. So, not only are their gurus homosexuals, they might be murderers and so on and so forth... and this is all documented. Please read our document "Child Molesters: Gurus" for more details.]
* >So, now you are telling me that "the Calcutta police" are the bad guys. Well, maybe, but without "the
R: We wrote the following: "I have always kept quite, without commenting on your text. But to my surprise, you did a major blunder by not pointing out the fault of the police in arresting the devotees, specially the manner in which the police entered the temple, at Albert Road, Calcutta." It simply means the police people who came & invaded the temple & arrested the devotees for no fault of theirs. It doesn’t involve the whole of CCU police. Just like some bad boys in a school doesn’t mean that the whole school is bad, similarly, some police people acted wrongly doesn’t mean that the whole police force is bad. So, when we say, police fault in this respect, we simply mean, the police people who were involved in this decision & executing this act.
* >police" we'd have been killed and our dead body would have been tossed into a trash dumpster many years ago, by GBC thugs. So we rather see that sometimes the police can be also, at least in some
R: We don’t think, that the CCU police knows about the thuggery of the GBC’s. May be you can send us the details. We will give them & also create pressure on the GBC’s involved to resign immediately. We have got good back up of some deputies & devotees from all over the world.
[PADA: Well, the GBC regularly bans, beats, molests, and even sometimes kill people, and this is well known here in the USA. They have also created a massive child molester (webs and nests) empire that starved, beat and molested Krishna's children wholesale. This fact has even been in the USA media recently and it will be aired on public (PBS) TV soon. Thus, all of the current GBC are implicated in these behaviors since none of them has spoken out substantially to object.]
>instances, the mercy extension of Lord Nrsinghadeva, who protects the devotees. And thus, every single day when I wake up, after clearing off the grog of sleep, I pound my head with my hand and appily declare, "Lord Nrsinghadeva has performed yet another miracle, I have not been shot with 45 slugs in my sleep last night like Sulochana was"! And this is simply because of the existence of Lord Nrisinghadeva's agents namely: the police.
R: All glories to such police & other people who are involved in protecting devotees like yourself & others who are not afraid to speak the truth at any cost.
* >So, your argument that the police are the bad guys is met with some suspicion on our part since the police have saved us, and most likely Adri, from being placed into body bags. By the way, one man
R: Since our context is related to Adri & you are claiming that Adri is a devotee who is involved in reforming ISKCON, hence you justify this action of Adri. We hereby furnish a letter which was sent to Bhima Prabhu & Ravindra Swarup Prabhu some time last year about Adri. This letter was written & signed by 6 devotees of the temple, of which 5 have since left the temple & one is still there serving under Adri.
The letter is as follows:
[PADA: Ravindra Swarupa is a guru because he was "voted in as guru" in 1986 at the recoronation of a known homosexual pedophile guru? So we at pada do not recognize Ravindra's homosexual pedophile guru certification, indeed of either Ravindra or anyone else?
Ravindra went along with the GBC's 1986 re-stating and fully re-instating that Bhavananada is "Vishnupada." a known homosexual pedophile is -- "Krishna's successor"? We do not agree. So, since Ravindra endorses these actions, like the reinstating of known homosexual pedophiles as gurus and Srila Prabhupada's successors, and even as Vishnupadas, he is one of the worst deviants known to man on the planet. Even the homosexuals here in San Francisco do not advertise that they are "God's living successors." This Ravindra is thus a menace to children. And as a result of Ravindra's endorsing of this pedophile party's worship, thousands of children under the care of his GBC have been molested. All under Ravindra's party's jackboots.
So, our first question to you is, why are you citing as your "guru," a man who is "2/3 show of hands voted in as guru at a homosexual pedophile recoronation," as you authority? That is our first question to you? We say, homosexual pedophiles are not gurus or "Vishnupada's" and that Ravindra's getting "voted in at the recoronation of known homosexual pedophile acharya called Vishnupada" is the biggest insult to Vishnu ever made on planet earth by any demons? Please explain why he endorses his homosexual pedophile guru lineage, then we will address the rest of your message....
And if Adri is as bad as you say he is, then that means that the others who are not defending the worship of Srila Prabhupada are even worse than he is? At least he is making some form of public stand to defend these orders from Srila Prabhupada and he does not endorse the GBC's homosexual pedophile guru lineage? So isn't it a little like, a blind uncle is better than no uncle at all, as Srila Prabhupada says? Adri is at least trying to contain Jayapataka, and JPS has had one of the biggest thugs and molester empires in the universe right there in Mayapura, all under Jayapataka's watch, as will be cited in upcoming media and court events here in the USA. And please note the poison complaint of Srila Prabhupada, ...is not one Jayapataka in that room? thanks pd]
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01) http://members.tripod.com/gurupoison
(Tamal indictment)
02) http://mitglied.lycos.de/pada/
pada newsletter archive
03) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933
Poison tape
04) Poison tape transcript:
04) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/19990519.htm
05) http://www.winink.com/tkg/
Poison whispers
06)
http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/poison/poison.htm
Poison issue
07)
http://www.egroups.com/group/Vaisnavacouncil
(Visoka cyber istagosthi)
08)
http://www.krsna.tv (underground
Hare Krishna web site)
09) www.prabhupada.cc Prabhupada samkirtana site
10) http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/padaweb/puranjan.html
Puranjana's Site
11) http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc
GBC expose
12) http://pages.infinit.net/pragosh/home.html
French site
13) http://members.aol.com/gauridas
Gauridasa's site
14) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/
Rocana's site
15) www.harekrsna.de
"Hare Krsna Homepage" (German)
16) http://members.nbci.com/prabhupada/
ISKCON Reform (German)
17) German translation of Final Order (pdf)
17) http://members.nbci.com/prabhupada/final.htm
18) http://members.xoom.com/prabhupada/
(German Expose)
19) http://www.equalsouls.org/tkg
Srila Prabhupada wanted to be poisoned?
20) http://www.surrealist.org/gurukula/
Nandini's history site
21) http://www.krishnabooks.org
Guptas KBI Books (he is a cheat)
22) http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc/
GBC
23) "illicit sex
guru" rationalizations:
23) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/iskcon/right.htm
24) http://www.artnet.net/~yasoda/index.htm
Appointment tape fraud
25) http://www.asitis.com
Original Bhagavad-gita As It Is
26) http://krsnabook.com
Original Krsna Book
27) http://www.krishna.org
Prabhupada Hare Krishna News Network
28) http://folio.bhaktivedanta.org
S.P. Folio Infobase CD-ROM
29) http://realaudio.bhaktivedanta.org
Prabhupada RealAudio Archive
30) http://mp3.bhaktivedanta.org
Prabhupada MP3 Bhajans, 2 CD set
31) www.domgbc.org
(Direction Of Management)
32) www.acbspn.com/ Prabhupada
Network
33) www.ROOPA.org
(Raghunatha dasa's world economics proposal)
34)
http://www.prabhupada.com/
BBT archives site
35)
http://www.govinda.net (first
editions of S.P. books)
36) http://www.JitendriyaBooks.com
Trading original SP. books
37) http://krsna.kgb.cz/hlavni.htm
Prague Czech-devotees (english site)
38) http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/das/articles.htm (DAS)
39) http://www.com.org/hb/ptd/cyber_gurukula.htm (Cyber gurukula)