1) Dear Pada:
Haribol! jaya Srila Prabhpada! I received this newletter from a friend. I know Mother Yadunandana from Lake Huntington, NY from the 80's. I havent' seen her in a while since i no longer visit Iskcon temples. I considered myself a friend of hers. How is she doing and where is she now, is there a way I can contact her? I hope that this is not true that she was abused. I know that manyof the women at the NY gurukulla school were abused (along with the children) including me. But she was crippled, so this is even more shocking to hear!!!! What were the specifics of the abuse towards her by Rabindra which you have stated? All for now. Hare Krishna. .......

[PADA: I dunno personally, any help from readers?]

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Haribol Prabhu, PAMHO.AGTSP.
This calcutta Police address seems to not be working.
ys Sudarshan dasa

[PADA: It seems to work for us?]

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2) COMMITTEE PROBLEMS

Thanks for your writing with a request for us to solve your problems with forming a Prabhupadanuga committee. This seems to be a problem for both the GBC and us, that it is hard to coordinate "group" effort. Yet even the karmis can easily coordinate 2,500 people into a big Church picnic here in the local city? We cannot seem to get more than a few people going in the same direction. And we have chronic problems with false starts and defections, such as the article below. So what is the problem? Even the IRM has had a big split recently, and that is, again, only a few people who cannot coordinate?

Anyway, as soon as someone is percieved as a leader he is attacked in any sphere, and this is also true even in the case of pure devotees. At least in this material world. Thus, what happened to Srila Prabhupada, its simple, he was a leader and so they killed him. This is a nasty pattern. Even the karmis, they can have someone act as a leader and they can coordinate, but we cannot do this very well at present. The solution is simply that we have to mature more. It will not happen too soon and it will take some time yet. We are really not too worried about it since this is typical of new faiths, there is a lot of friction and complexity at the beginning. It might take a hundred years, maybe hundreds, before simple stablilizations occur. It normal. Well kinda. That does not mean it is not painful and problematic for those going through the pioneering era. Especially the ISKCON children.

As for us personally, we are feeling like a lucky puppy dog. Krishna saved us from the house started on fire by the GBC, and our running on the freeway with no idea of the danger, and the recent attack by the Puru/ Kirtanananda groupies. A puppy has no idea that the 75 ton truck can smash him to mush in a second while he frolics on the freeway, and so he is dependent on the mercy, ...that's it. And so we were "saved" because we have not tried to "become the next big leader." And now we look up in the sky and seem to be howling at the moon, but people do not know what we are saying. We are asking, "Dear Krishna, if you love us, ...say it is so." And then we feel a wave of happiness -- His reply.

So that is the point, we have to follow and be the humble dog servant, as Srila Prabhupada points out. Then we shall have success. So, as for how to help, Srila Prabhupada says "the real poison is personal ambition." We have to follow the great, and NOT try to be the bogus replacements for the great. Joe Sanchez asked us this all the time, "why don't you get more devotees like Jayananda"? Well, because he was a humble follower in the footsteps, and this has not yet become the popular modus. So, I will try to help, but we cannot make people become something they are not,

thanks pd

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3) To: "Mukunda dasa. PSS Oldham"
Subject: 8. BUT ALL OF THEM BECAME WORSHIPERS OF KAMSA
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 22:24:30 +0100

BUT ALL OF THEM BECAME WORSHIPERS OF KAMSA

When Kamsa killed the six babies of Devaki and Vasudeva one after another, many friends and relatives of Kamsa approached him and requested him to discontinue these heinous activities. But all of them became worshipers of Kamsa. [KRSNA BOOK CHAPTER TWO Prayers by the Demigods for Lord Krsna in the Womb]

Note (Mukunda dasa): When Tamal and the other demoniac leaders of the pseudo Krsna cult killed Srila Prabhupada by arsenic poisoning, killed his vani [divine message] by changing his books and performed many other sinister activities such as child molestation, many godbrothers and friends of Tamal and co. approached them and requested them to discontinue these heinous activities. But all of them became worshipers of Tamal and his sinister movement.

[PADA: Yes, and the best examples of this are are yourselves, Sanat, Mukunda and Naranarayana dasa, all of whom were encouraging Sanat/ Puru's messages "let us be nice to Gaudiya Matha supporters of 'Tamal as guru' and especially Kirtanananda, since he is still our guru. And let us kill the molested kids. In sum, be nice to known homosexual pedophiles posing as Srila Prabhupada's and God's successors." And NNV said this is "brilliant writing." So, by their own admission, Mukunda dasa (Oldham) Sanat dasa (Angelica NY) and Naranarayana dasa (Los Angeles) are STILL helping the homosexual pedophiles as gurus agenda -- even today. Puru / Kirtanananda is indeed their new authority? And by they way, this has ben noted by a number of pada readers, scholars, hindus, media members, ex-gurukulis and others. Thanks for your admission, and by the way, many of us involved with the poison case noted how you have tried as hard as you could to discredit that case and help the poisoners, nice work guys. Also notice below that the real work is being done by pada's readers (see below) and not yourseves. So you support Kamsa, and you still harass these helpers, as you admit. pd]

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4) PART TWO. The Bhaktivedanta Investigation Force (BIF) REPORT.

Dear Prabhus & Matas...dandavats. AgtSP

Part two of the BIF Report, deals with Section One Chapter 2 of the book "Not that I am Poisoned," (NTIP). Released by "The Ministry for the Protection of Iskcon," this book has targeted Life -Members and those who may in some way, be financially viable to the GBC's programs. Two thousand copies were printed, and what remains could be found amongst the money-hungry shop-keepers in the GBC heartlands where the ministry (for the protection of Iskcon) appears to have germinated.

Section one, Chapter two of the book (NTIP) entitled "Srila Prabhupada's Surgeon Confirms: Diabetes to Blame," offers us the "testimony" of Dr.Andrew. J. McIrvine. Giving him the title "Prabhupada's surgeon," the authors of NTIP would wish us to believe 1) The Doctor's statement to be a "testimony." and 2) That if Srila Prabhupada had toxins in His blood the surgery performed by Dr. McIrvine would have revealed this. Hence the title, "Prabhupada's Surgeon Confirms: Diabetes to Blame."

In truth, a "testimonial" under the circumstances is "evidence given under oath." We pray that someday soon the Doctor and the book (NTIP) will both have their day in court. For now, we will simply analyze the Doctor's "testimony." Here it is:-

(quote)" He was in obviously poor health and showed signs of renal failure and was found to be diabetic. These diagnoses were made on clinical suspicion confirmed by blood and urine analysis." (unquote) So the good doctor's " CLINICAL SUSPICIONS of DIABETES" were "CONFIRMED" by blood and urine analysis. The doctor was doing pathological tests based on his SUSPICION OF DIABETES, NOT ARSENICOSIS. Are we being asked to accept this as "confirmed medical testimony?"

BIF has done an interviews with a well known surgeon on this subject, here is an excerpt :-

BIF: Doctor, are the symptoms of chronic poisoning and diabetes similar in respect ?

Doctor: Yes, there are similarities.

BIF: Can chronic poisoning in a diabetic patient slip through without detection?

Doctor: Yes.

BIF: Do surgical operations expose toxins?

Doctor: What do you mean?

BIF: Do surgical procedures reveal toxins in the blood?

Doctor: No. Specified pathological tests are necessary.

BIF: If an acute diabetic was assisted by a dialysis machine, would he live longer?

Doctor: Definitely!

BIF: Would a dialysis machine reveal toxins in the blood?

Doctor: It would certainly cause suspicions to the point where tests would be done.

Is this really why Srila Prabhupada was never allowed allopathic treatment? In conclusion we must ask; Why is it that the authors of NTIP give so much credit to an allopathic doctor (Prabhupada's Surgeon) who was nowhere around when most needed. In fact, no allopathic doctors were allowed near Srila Prabhupada. Doctor Khurana, the last allopathic doctor to see Srila Prabhupada, arranged to have the hospital come to Srila Prabhupada. And all the staff agreed. So did Srila Prabhupada. But the hospital was informed later that there had been a change in plans and they were not be needed.

Ask any ayur vedic kaviraja, what does he do when members of his family face serious health complications, he will tell you, "I take them to the hospital." When TKG recently had complications, why didn't he rub some ayur vedic powder on it ? Why did he go to the hospital? It just doesn't make sense. And when we add "NO DEATH CERTIFICATE," to all of this; Srila Prabhupada's passing becomes highly suspicious. Just try burning or burying a body without a Death Certificate....it's murder until proven otherwise. Both, Srila Prabhupada's "minders" and local authorities are liable for this discrepancy.

BIF is bound to silence by oath, but we cannot resist at least one parting shot:-

"HE SAID TO ME, "THIS IS SLOW POISON. AFTER GIVING THIS POISON, THE MAN WILL DIE SLOWLY SLOWLY......NO ONE CAN JUDGE WHAT IS HAPPENING" THIS THING [........] EXPLAINED ME THEN AND THERE, AND HE TOLD THEM (DEVOTEES) ALSO, " I THINK IT IS POISON."

Part Three of the BIF REPORT will deal with Part One, Chapter three of the book, "Not That I am Poisoned' (NTIP) entitled, "The Conversations."

( All excerpts from taped interviews and investigative reports, courtesy of the Bhaktivedanta Investigation Force (BIF)).

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5) TARUN WRITES

Haribol Mahaxa Prabhu, Yes, we can just imagine how happy some were to see the 'old man' go so quickly. It appears that even those who discovered this PrabhupAd poisoning recording are not so much interested in criminal conviction. They are here I was with then this morning. I'll be with them again this afternoon. They're convinced PrabhupAd was poisoned, but what to do next? It's up to us. NArAyan Mhrj has heard the tape and he has reconfirmed that Svamiji aka PrabhupAd is no doubt, saying he's being poisoned. But he's also said, "Shall we go on discussing this poison issue forever?" Something needs to be done. Otherwise, everything else is show bottle at best. Or at worst, as Mahaxa states, our complicity.

ys, Tarun

[PADA: Thanks Tarun. Very good points. First of all, Narayana Maharaja was first of all angry as fire at us for bringing out the poison case -- at all. He first of all inisted it was all a lie. Later, as everyone else figured out that he was wrong and they were discusing it anyways, he finally listened to the tape and he reluctantly agreed that the tape was accurate. Now he is complaining that everyone is still discussing it? Well yes, that is because people like him have not taken any noticeable actions to get justice for it? Jesus was crucified, and Narayana Maharaja complains that people are still discussing it? It is not important? Why not? If Srila Prabhupada is his best friend, as he says, then he would be obsessed with getting justice for this criminal activity?

Has NM consulted with any authorities in India to get them involved in getting justice? No? And worse, he has still been saying that guys like Tamal were not mere ritviks but he still says -- they were gurus? When is he going to clarify that his interpretation of this is incorrect? There never was any guru appointment, it is all an illusion created in NM's mind by Tamal's club? And worse, NM's still saying that Tamal was not a ritvik UNDERMINES the whole cause, reason and motive for the poisoning? Narayana Maharaja is helping the culprits by saying that they were not mere ritviks, that they were gurus. No. Their motive for the poisoning is that they were only made ritviks and THEY were UPSET with this because they wanted MORE. They wanted to be gurus. So they poisoned him and falsely claimed they were appointed as his guru successors? Why won't NM help us with this? And why is he still undermining the motive?

ys pd

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6) RE: VISHNUJANA

Vishnujana's family is already upset with his odd and obviously untimely departure. VJS' cousin (Revatinandana ex-swami) has always thought Tamal did something to cause VJS' death. In sum, the family is not going to get more upset since some of them are already blaming TKG, and they have for years, that somehow TKG's hand was there either directly or not? And TKG was allegedly the last person to talk to VJS alive, so the suspicion already exists....

First of all, VJS was not happy with the way Tamal made everything into a big show bottle mechanical business, VJS rather wanted to do some simple college preaching. And it was VERY successful. VJS was making many devotees. VJS was also one of my favorite devotees early on... I suspected TKG had a hand in it too, right from the get go. My impression was that TKG was "an operator..."

Anyway Tamal was always harassing that VJS did not bring in big time money, so this was a cause of friction. Whether VJS died from foul play or simply from being depressed by TKG's tactics who can say? TKG also got Gopijanaballabha (St Louis pond shotgun incident) and several others to kill themselves by his tactics, and one Badger devotee named Brajendranandana tried to kill himself with a hammer after Tamal "preached to him." It is a wonder Braj is still alive. And who knows how many blooped thanks to Tamal, we'd say thousands and thousands...

In sum, Tamal has a way of giving people severe depression. There are other tales in this regard that are too spooky and unconfirmed but suffice that many suspect Tamal of other similar foul deeds, way before the poison issue ever surfaced. Now as for the concern, is this at all benefificial to discuss? Well yes and no. No, it is not good to think only of evil people. Agreed. But then yes, we need to know who are the Judas sabha leaders, otherwise we or our friends might end up floating off to destination unknown as per other victims. Now as for our friends like Tarun, this merely begs the obvious question, why has his party supported this Tamal as our next successive acharya? And worse, they still keep saying to Gauridasa, oh Tamal was not a mere GBC, why the words GBC are not found in shastra, that means we were right when we said Tamal is an acharya. Oh yep. Oh no? So all of this is good because it clarifies that the GBC and the Gaudiya Matha were fooled into worshipping a guy who has the track record of, well should say, a string of dead bodies in his wake? One of those bodies being perhaps: Srila Prabhupada's?

So this is sad, but yet we have to know, who is Judas and who is not. It is sad that we have to know this, but then again, not knowing can be harmful to the health of you, me, children everywhere, and indeed, the whole planet. thanks pd

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7) AGTSP and your service.
Today is the dissapearance of Sulocana. If you want you can post this.
Every morning we been saying the wrong 10 offences.
ys Srimad B.

Original (pg. 27)
Offenses are of ten kinds, and they are also known as offenses unto the Holy Name The first offense is to blaspheme great devotees who have tried to spread the Glories of the Holy Name all over the world. If one is unnecessarily envious of a devotee who is trying to spread the Holy Name all over the world, in execution of the order of his Spiritual Master, such a rascal is the greatest offender at the feet of the Holy Name.The Holy Name of Krishna is non-different from Krishna, and Lord Krishna cannot tolerate such offenses as to decry a pure devotee who is spreading His Holy Name all over the world. The second offense is to deny that Lord Vishnu is the Absolute Truth; There Is no difference between His name, quality, form, pastimes, and activities; but one who sees a difference in these different functions of the Supreme Lord is also an offender. In the same way, the Lord being supreme, nobody is equal to or greater than the Supreme Lord. Therefore, if anybody thinks that the Lord or His name is equal to the personality of some demigod, he is also an offender. Such a conception of equality between the Supreme Lord and the demigods is not very congenial to the performance of devotional service.

Revised (pg. 29)
There are ten principal offenses which can be committed against the holy name. The first is to blaspheme the great devotees who have tried to spread the glories of the holy name throughout the world. The holy name of Krsna is nondifferent from Krsna, and one who attempts to spread the holy names throughout the world is beloved of Him. Krsna Himself does not tolerate offenses against His pure devotees. The second offense is to deny that Lord Visnu is the Absolute Truth. There is no difference between His name, quality, form, pastimes and activities, and one who sees a difference is considered an offender. The Lord is Supreme, and no one is equal to or greater than Him. Consequently if one thinks that the Lord's names are nondifferent from the names of demigods, he offends. The Supreme Lord and the demigods should never be considered on the same level.

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Original (pg. 28)
The third offense is to consider the bona fide Spiritual Master as one of the common men. The fourth offense is to blaspheme Vedic literature and the corollaries of Vedic literature, the Puranas.

Revised (pg. 29)
The third offense is to consider the bona fide spiritual master to be a common man. The fourth offense is to blaspheme Vedic literature and authorized scriptures like the Puranas.
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Original (pg. 28)
The fifth offense is to consider the Glories of the Holy Name as an exaggeration.

Revised (pg. 29)
The fifth offense is to consider the glories attributed to the holy names to be exaggerations.
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Original (pg. 28)
The sixth offense is to imagine a perverted meaning of the Holy Name.

Revised (pg. 30)
The sixth offense is to concoct perverted theories about the holy name.
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Original (pg. 28)
The seventh offense is to commit sinful activities on the strength of chanting the Holy Name. It is understood that by chanting the Holy Name one gets freed from sinful reactions, but that does not mean that one should perversely act sinfully on the strength of his chanting the Holy Name of the Lord. That is the greatest offense.

Revised (pg. 30)
The seventh offense is to commit sinful activities on the strength of chanting the holy name. It is understood that by chanting the holy names one is free from sinful reactions, but this does not mean that one should act sinfully on the strength of chanting. That is the greatest offense.
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Original (pg. 28)
The eighth offense is to consider that religious ritualistic performances, austerity or renunciation or the performance of sacrifices are on an equal level with chanting the Holy Name. Chanting of the Holy Name is as good as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and other pious activities may be a means to approach the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but when they are employed for some material achievement they are called offensive.

Revised (pg. 28)
The eighth offense is to consider that religious rituals, austerity, sacrifices or other forms of renunciation are equal to chanting the holy name. Chanting the holy name is as good as associating with the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Pious activities are only means to approach the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and they can even be performed for some material reason.
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Original (pg. 28)
The ninth offense is that the Glories of the Holy Name of God may not be preached to a faithless person, and to speak about the Glories of the Holy Name unto such persons is also another offense.

Revised (pg. 30)
The ninth offense is to preach the glories of the holy name of God to a faithless person who is not interested in hearing them.
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Original (pg. 28)
so if it is found that a chanter of the Holy Name still has material attachment, then that is called an offense.

Revised (pg. 30)
Thus if one chants the holy names and still has material attachments, he must be committing some offense.
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Original (pg. 29)
Another disturbing element is to aspire after material name and fame by discharging devotional service, If one is not particularly careful, then by the process of watering the plant of devotional service, other unnecessary plants, as described above, may grow, and that may hamper the progress of devotional service.

Revised (pg. 31)
If one is not particularly careful, even by watering the plant of devotional service, unnecessary weeds will grow and hamper progress. The idea is that when one waters a garden, not only does the desired plant grow more rapidly, but the unwanted plants grow also.
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Authorized scriptures like the Puranas?

The Vedac literature remained the same for millions of years it never did change. Srila Prabhupada didn’t change the Puranas.

Has Jayadvaita finally changed the Puranas?
What’s the idea of using like the Puranas.
It is the Puranas,  not its like Puranas.

SITES TO CHECK OUT:

NEW SITE: http://members.tripod.com/gurupoison (Tamal indictment)
CALCUTTA POLICE: calpol@calcuttapolice.com, jaihindu@hinduweb.org
pada's artwork website: http://hometown.aol.com/angels1008b/index.html

* pada's alternative email: angel108b@yahoo.com
* pada's new pager number is 707-973-0372
* press in your number then press pound, and pray that it works.
* Book For Sale "Someone Has Poisoned Me," You can get it from: New Jaipur Press/ POB 208/ Mayodan NC 27027 $10.00 requested donation
* Seattle, Wa (Dhamaghosa dasa 360-856-5411) dasdasdas@aol.com
* MONTREAL, Canada, Hasti Gopala Dasa (for details write to: hasti90@hotmail.com)
* BERKELEY California. Hare Krishna Youth, 510-389-3346 conducts regular harinam parties, arotikes, cooking classes, college preaching, Prabhupada video nights, and so on.
* NEW YORK "Prabhupada Sankirtana Society" Headquarters 48 Ave. B NY, NY 10009 (212) 674-0680, PSS108@juno.com

01) http://members.tripod.com/gurupoison (Tamal indictment)
02) http://mitglied.lycos.de/pada/ pada newsletter archive

03) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933 Poison tape
04) Poison tape transcript:
04) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/19990519.htm
05) http://www.winink.com/tkg/ Poison whispers
06) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/poison/poison.htm Poison issue
07) http://www.egroups.com/group/Vaisnavacouncil (Visoka cyber istagosthi)
08) http://www.krsna.tv (underground Hare Krishna web site)
09) www.prabhupada.cc Prabhupada samkirtana site
10) http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/padaweb/puranjan.html Puranjana's Site
11) http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc GBC expose
12) http://pages.infinit.net/pragosh/home.html French site
13) http://members.aol.com/gauridas Gauridasa's site
14) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/ Rocana's site
15) www.harekrsna.de "Hare Krsna Homepage" (German)
16) http://members.nbci.com/prabhupada/ ISKCON Reform (German)
17) German translation of Final Order (pdf)
17) http://members.nbci.com/prabhupada/final.htm
18) http://members.xoom.com/prabhupada/ (German Expose)
19) http://www.equalsouls.org/tkg Srila Prabhupada wanted to be poisoned?
20) http://www.surrealist.org/gurukula/ Nandini's history site
21) http://www.krishnabooks.org Guptas KBI Books (he is a cheat)
22) http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc/ GBC
23) "illicit sex guru" rationalizations:
23) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/iskcon/right.htm
24) http://www.artnet.net/~yasoda/index.htm Appointment tape fraud
25) http://www.asitis.com Original Bhagavad-gita As It Is
26) http://krsnabook.com Original Krsna Book
27) http://www.krishna.org Prabhupada Hare Krishna News Network
28) http://folio.bhaktivedanta.org S.P. Folio Infobase CD-ROM
29) http://realaudio.bhaktivedanta.org Prabhupada RealAudio Archive
30) http://mp3.bhaktivedanta.org Prabhupada MP3 Bhajans, 2 CD set
31) www.domgbc.org (Direction Of Management)
32) www.acbspn.com/ Prabhupada Network
33) www.ROOPA.org (Raghunatha dasa's world economics proposal)
34) http://www.prabhupada.com/ BBT archives site
35) http://www.govinda.net (first editions of S.P. books)
36) www.oversoul.co.uk Devotional music

37) http://www.JitendriyaBooks.com Trading original SP. books
38) http://krsna.kgb.cz/hlavni.htm Prague Czech-devotees (english site)
39) http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/das/articles.htm (DAS)
40) http://www.com.org/hb/ptd/cyber_gurukula.htm (Cyber gurukula)