RESERVOIR OF PLEASURE
Authored by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
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1) Srila Prabhupada Glorification Festival
12-18th Nov 2001 - Vrindavan, India
Organizers : New disciples of Srila Prabhupada

Dear Devotees of Srila Prabhupada, Hare Krishna! Please accept our humble obeisances! All Glories to Jagat-Guru Srila Prabhupada! All Glories to your service to His Divine Grace!

We are inviting all followers of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada from all over the world to come & together celebrate His Divine Grace's glorious Disappearance Day Festival in the Holy Vrindavan Dham. There will be a whole week (12th - 18th Nov, 2001) of Festivities.

Main features of the festival :

- Association of scores of old, new and aspiring like-minded disciples from around the world exclusively devoted to Srila Prabhupada and to his mission.
- Daily classes given by His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada on Nectar of Devotion, hopefully in the Radha Damodar Temple courtyard near the Holy samadhi of Srila Rupa Goswami. This will be followed by lively discussions on the class.
- Initiation ceremony for new disciples of His Divine Grace conducted by bona-fide ritviks on the Disappearance Day of Srila Prabhupada.
- Maha-Abhishek of His Divine Grace. - 108 preparations cooked by everyone & offered to Srila Prabhupada on His Disappearance Day.
- Seminars on various relevant topics led by senior disciples on Hearing Srila Prabhupada, Sadhana, Srila Prabhupada's rtivik initiation system, Original Kirtan style, Book Distribution etc.
- Senior leaders would be discussing how to practically assist Srila Prabhupada in organizing his Worldwide Movement again.
- Organized parikramas, daily ecstatic maha harinams in the original kirtan style given by Srila Prabhupada, exotic prasadam and Prabhupada memories sessions.
- Gift of a special Prabhupada memorabilia.

The festival is being organized by new & aspiring disciples of Srila Prabhupada under the auspices of many seniors leaders of Srila Prabhupada's mission in the west like HH Kapindra Maharaj(NY), His Grace Narasimha Prabhu(Oregon), His Grace Nandi Kesavara Prabhu (Montreal) etc. & many more. We are still in the process of contacting all senior disciples of His Divine Grace as we consider that the personal presence, help, cooperation, blessings and guidance of all sincere and loyal followers of Srila Prabhupada is extremely important in an endeavor like this. We are all confident that this endeavor of re-starting a Annual Festival for Prabhupada disciples in the Holy Dham, will help in re-uniting the family of Srila Prabhupada.

It would also certainly help us all focus on His Divine Grace as our bona-fide Spiritual Master. There are various ways each of us can be engaged to see this annual festival a reality. Especially this year devotees can come forward to serve either in organizing, planning, fund-raising (approximate budget is $6000), communication, publicity, travel arrangements, cooking, chanting, decorating, or just with ideas, suggestions and specially for giving association. Or to get 1st or 2nd initiated by Srila Prabhupada. Any way you can, please take part in the combined glorification of OUR EVER WELL WISHER - His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

Understandably the notice is short. But as Srila Prabhupada says "strike when the iron is hot". We are expecting around one hundred Prabhupada devotees this year. Devotees can write, phone or e-mail at the following contact addresses. Contributions are welcome. Contact: Nimai Pandit Das/ Prabhupada Sankirtan Society/ 48 Ave B, NY - 10009 USA/ (212)674-0698/ nimaipandit@yahoo.com

Advisors: HH Kapindra Swami/ HG Narasimha Das/ HG Nandi Kesavara Das/ pss108@juno.com vanachari@cs.com n_allard@videotron.ca (212)674-0698 (541)865-7977 (514)685-3421

We leave you with some quotes from Srila Prabhupada :

Sometimes there is a tendency to neglect what is our real purpose of life, namely, to become mad after Krishna, and instead we become carried away by big, big talk. (Letter to Satsvarupa 4th April, 1972). Simply become more concerned with increasing the spiritual content of our lives, and in this way all other problems like management will be easily solved, not that they can be solved by making some legal formula and having big big meetings and talks. (Letter to Jagadisa 2nd May, 1972)

The purport is that the Lord does not award devotional service to ordinary persons who are not serious about it. But even such unserious persons who execute devotional service according to the regulative principles during the month of Karttika, and within the jurisdiction of Mathura in India, are very easily awarded the Lord's personal service. (Nectar of Devotion Ch.12)

Hope to hear from you and see you in Vrindavan. Hare Krishna! All Glories, All Glories, All Glories to His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada If you wish to be removed from our mailing list please send "remove" to nitai25@juno.com

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2) MDD WRITES

Dear Puranjana, Please accept my fallen obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada! Well, you have your facts. You got the pamphlet right in the same room Gour Govinda Swami was present. It's a hard call either way.

[PADA: Not for us? We got the maharaja's "Guru Tattva" pamphlet from the maharaja's ashram from his followers at his program. This pamphlet was also on his book table and there is no doubt that the maharaja knew what items were on that table since it was by the door and he walked by it many times. It was thus given with his de facto approval. And it also says on the cover that he is the author. His followers at that meeting later confirmed to me that he is the author of that booklet and that he the author if the similar 1988 GBC's position paper (i.e. gurus become asuras) ...when we asked them. What is so much "hard call" about that? He penned documents that say "gurus become asuras"....]

MDD: I was upset Satsvarup Swami simply left instead of doing something, but how can a soft spoken person like him do anything around the power mongers in charge?

[PADA: Satsvarupa has been very powerful in all of this. For example SDG has been the most prolific author of most of the GBC's annual "position papers" up till at least 1982. He wrote many other subsequent "position papers" after that as well, such as his 1986 "Guru Reform" position paper wherein he says that the parampara's members sometimes "fall down" into severe evil and thus they need to go to reform school (or West Virginia jails?) because they are in need of "reform." Yep, he says (1) some GBC are "gurus like Jesus," yet (2) they are sometimes dangerous criminals, violent fools and child molester deviants? In sum, being Jesus is also borderline being a criminal child molester? That is what SDG says in essence, and so the other GBCs made him their prime "Jesus is a borderline mad crook" document creator. Swell? By the way, that is what Rasputin said?

Worse, SDG wrote in the 1986 BTG that Kirtanananda is like Jesus? He also wrote at that same time in his "Journals" that me and Sulochana dasa are "poison pens attacking ISKCON." And so Sulochana said to me at the time SDG had painted a bulls-eye on our backs, and six weeks later Sulochana was dead and the police said I was next? Yep, SDG had indeed painted a bulls-eye on our backs with his pen....

So SDG was apparently trying to get us physically assaulted or worse (yep those evil poisoners like Sulochana/ Puranjana are attacking Jesus). And SDG did in fact get people beaten and killed by his violent rhetoric like this -- and me almost killed. He has been therefore the GBC's siddhanta mastermind writer and even, dangerous rhetororic writer, from the outset? He was "doing everything" as far as the GBC's "philosophical" writing was concerned? And indeed SDG helped them form their whole living guru ideology in the pre-1978 GBC meetings according to eye-witness and ex-guru Hansadutta. And then, after writing that acharyas are or may be deviants, SDG wonders why he cannot go into the sunlight withour sunglasses, that he has constant headaches, and that he has dreams that he is being tossed off a cliff repeatedly (the Yamadutta's reward for being a liar according to the Srimad Bhagavatam).

Indeed, he is perhaps their most important man all along as the mastermind/ organizer/ writer since one cannot proceed at all without a mastermind/ writer in any such false guru takeover projects? And he also has not "simply walked away," rather he still supports that all of these deviants are or were gurus, nor has he publicly retracted all of his deviated "siddhanta" which he penned, nor has he ever publicy stated that this is all wrong, nor has he ever stated that the parampara is never contaminated, and so on? Worse, they are still selling old copies of his writings at book tables at ISKCON festivals even today? I find that you have a tendency to rewrite history here with GGM, SDG, me and so on? By the way, NARAYANA MAHARAJA was consulted by the GBC and in particular SDG at this time to help them write the GBC's then "Guru Reform" booklet. NM too had been saying (in essence or in fact) that gurus are appointed, they fall down, that you need to worship a living (homosexual pedophile?) lineage "guru" as Krishna's successor and so on, and in sum he was also working with SDG and the GBC as their advisor/ gopi/ rasika/ teacher at that time as well. He helped them write their wacky position papers too as he did for sure in 1990.]

MDD: Maybe Gour Govinda had a plan and kept close to the enemy. I know this is a tactic used to eventually get rid of the enemy. I just find it hard to hear anything negative about Gour Govinda. Personally I think he's one of the purer disciples of Srila Prabhupada.

[PADA: Well it is the "enemy's" idea that we disagree with and that is: that deviants are acharyas. Except that shastra says, "Gurusuh narah matih -- narakah sah": "Anyone who says that gurus are ordinary conditioned souls is --already-- a resident of hell (narakah)." That is what shastra says. I did not invent this idea? GGM should have thus helped us dismantle this bogus idea. Actually, the idea that homosexuals and deviants are or were God's pure devotee "like Jesus" successors is known to be deviated by any (karmi?) child over the age of ten? And in sum it is not a very complex issue. So, whoever was involved in supporting these GBC lineage ideas, it is not a personal attack issue, rather their siddhanta is incorrect. And the "pure" action and ideal is very simple; to defend the pure devotee's lineage. And so we should say, "...what? Homosexuals are in the parampara"? NO! Wrong! Get this out and now. And you have got one second to get it out now and not: later on down the road, maybe, sometime, possibly, perhaps....]

MDD: So, in one sense, better to keep your position steadfast.

[PADA: Our position is that of Srila Prabhupada's, that eternally liberated gurus like the acharyas or like Jesus are eternally liberated gurus like Jesus. Sad guru. They are not ever hardened crooks, perverts, devotee beating deviants and so on. That is our position and no one can ever change that, no matter what "maharaja" title he has got. I do not agree that Jesus is, was or could have been, Satan's agent or slave. Its that simple.]

MDD: This ISKCON war is as draining as the Afghani war is going to be.

[PADA: So, why support the people who declared war on the parampara as the GBC has not only done, they also went to the Gaudiya Matha and Narayana Maharaja to get more of this "deviants are gurus" teachings? And if they want a war, they will have one since Krishna and His pure devotees will never accept the GBC's deviant if not homosexual guru lineage and/or that other "lesser" deviants are or were acharyas, even if they kill us we will never agree. Acharyas never go to war with anyone, but they are sometimes killed because deviants who want to make homosexuals and crooks into gurus go after the real gurus. So, to say that Krishna's successors are deviants is to declare war on Krishna. Thus they will never win, ever, no matter if they fight for the next ten hundred trillion years. They cannot defeat Krishna and His lineage of pure devotee successors, ever.]

MDD: Years and years and no tangible show of progress. Known sexual deviants going around giving classes, it's hard to be an older Prabhupada disciple and watch the younger devotees worship rascals.

[PADA: Well we have made some progress, but we needed more help. That is why if folks with a "good reputation" like Gaura Govinda should have helped, then we could have made better progress.]

MDD: Like when the light-bulb went on in Sulocana's head. "Wow, Kirtananda was a botheration and the one who did all the mayavadi nonsense" and there we were being taught a different picture of the history of it all. Kirtananda being the loyal follower and Hayagriva bringing in the deviant mayavadi ideas.

[PADA: Well that is right, Kirtanananda was always having some deviated ideas. That is why Gaura Govinda Maharaja types should have been the first to protest and stop these known deviants from becoming "gurus." And at least Sulochana woke up before the entire GBC who was still saying he was "like Jesus" in their 1986 BTG.]

MDD: But again I do want to make the point that as preachers our service is to help make and cultivate proper, sincere disciples. India's culture has so many gurus, family guru, siksa guru. Lets have qualified disciples Krsna will send them their qualified guru for initiation into our Gaudiya Vaishnav Sampradaya. We got it too easy (causeless mercy from Krsna's unlimitedly compassionate pure devotee for sure, how can we ever comprehend our good fortune?) and now there is "guru as fashion" all over the place.

[PADA: Good. So why do we need to make so many "gurus of fashion" in our society?]

MDD: Thanks for taking the time to answer my letter. I just try to hear the facts. But there are so many facts to be known. How you were in a room with Gour Govinda Swami as the literature was being gven out. It didn't matter to me that his name was on the book. Many devotees do so many things in Prabhupada's name that are not sanctioned by Prabhupada at all, (like new edited versions of his books have his name as the author, right?) but I didn't know you got the literature while Gour Govinda was still present on the planet.

And I really like Gour Govinda's discourses. I do believe he was very pure. What he was doing with Tamal, I will probably always believe he had a plan, just biding his time. . .

yours in Prabbhupada's service,
m devi dasi

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3) Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja

A RESPONSE TO THE RTVIK SYSTEM
A Lecture Given in Polansk, Russia: July 19, 2001

I offer my humble obeisances at the lotus feet of my paramaradhyatama gurupadapadma nitya-lila pravista om visnupada Sri Srimad Bhaktiprajnana Kesava Gosvami Maharaja, and also to my siksa-guru om visnupada Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja.

In our class yesterday we discussed the intrinsic nature of bhakti. We explained there that pure bhakti is the function of the svarupa-sakti (internal potency) of Krsna, and therefore it never manifests in the material senses, words, or mind. There is a process for it to manifest, however. Krsna is an ocean of mercy and His devotee is also an ocean of mercy. Our only hope is to receive their mercy. This is the only ray of hope. Only by the causeless mercy of Krsna and His devotees will the vrtti (characteristic function) of svarupa-sakti enter and become one with the senses of the material body. Srila Rupa Gosvami has given a process for this transcendental vrtti of bhakti to come upon the conditioned soul's tongue and other senses, and that is:

adau sraddha tatah sadhu sanga'tha bhajana-kriya, tato 'nartha nivritti syat tato nistha rucis tatah, athasaktis tato bhavas tatah premabhyudancati sadhakam ayam pemnah pradurbhave bhavet kramah

"In the beginning there must be faith. Then one becomes interested in associating with pure devotees. Thereafter one is initiated by the spiritual master and executes the regulative principles under his orders. Thus one is freed from all unwanted habits and becomes firmly fixed in devotional service. Thereafter, one develops taste and attachment. This is the way of sadhana-bhakti, the execution of devotional service according to the regulative principles. Gradually emotions intensify, and finally there is an awakening of love. This is the gradual development of love of Godhead for the devotee interested in Krsna consciousness." (Madhya 23.16) Without accepting diksa from a bona fide guru, can one develop bhakti or not?

[PADA: No, and that is why Narayana Maharaja's support (from at least 1984-1993) for the GBC's deviant (ok homosexual pedophile) guru lineage as "diksha gurus" is wrong. NM also said in 1990 that the false "self appointed" gurus of the Gaudiya Matha, i.e. the founder fathers of their post-1936 homosexual guru lineage, are also his idea of acharyas (or diksha gurus). Again this is wrong. Founder fathers of the worship of homosexuals as pure devotees and gurus is simply wrong maharaja? And those of you people who have done that are not gurus, nevermind that you are always rubber-stamping yourself and your deviated homosexual guru lineage pals as such. And no wonder then that in NM's pre-press booklet they cited Bhagavata Maharaja (?) that -- there is nothing wrong with making a guru -- out of homosexual Ananta Vasudeva? Yep, nothing wrong with juxtaposing Jesus' level of worship with homosexual murderers?]

NM: Some think that chanting, remembering, reading books, and performing arcana, sravanam and kirtanam is sufficient and there is no need for a mediator. They think that accepting a 'rtvik' person is sufficient for attaining pure bhakti, and there is no need of accepting diksa from any living self-realized guru.

[PADA: Wrong, you are misquoting us. We said that your idea: that we have to worship living deviants (like your homosexual and pedophile lineages) is wrong and it is. Even a ten year old (karmi) child knows that your support and indeed your rubber stamping of homosexual guru lineages is wrong. Why? Because even a child understands that the priest (ritvik) may fail, but Jesus is not failing? Your homosexual guru lineages merge the level of priest and guru together, so this is rejected by even a ten year old karmi child who has more sense. No wonder NM is always obsessed with defeating Srila Prabhupada's idea that the GBC are only agents, since even a ten year old child can defeat him in two seconds and he knows it.]

NM: Those who think, "There is no need to accept a guru as a mediator because we can chant the holy name, we can read books, and we can do arcana and sadhana simply by the rtvik system," are not within the guru-parampara. They deceive others. They are actually cheaters; not bhaktas.

[PADA: Exactly correct. NM has supported cheaters as gurus, and indeed homosexuals and pedophiles as his idea of guru lineages, and as such he has tried to contaminate Krishna and His successive guru's parampara with his nonsense ideas that homosexuals are, were or could be His gurus. He has also supported that gurus fall down (and become homosexuals), and that homosexuals gave initiation, hence his scam for reinitiation and etc.

NM says Sridhara Maharaja is his idea of acharya, ok another supporter of the homosexuals as gurus lineage idea. And so this was one of NM's and SM's helping advices for the GBC: to give reinitiation and so on. Thus you, NM, and your pals like SM, directly or indirectly stated that homosexual pedophiles are or were gurus, they gave diksha, and so on, in a variety of ways, and you said the founder fathers of the 1936 homosexual gurus are also your idea of gurus. This is all cheating. Agreed. And then your team brings forth this Bhagavata Maharaja who says, nothing wrong with dissident (bhakta) murdering homosexual gurus, yep and nothing wrong with guru poisoner gurus, guru killer gurus?]

NM: Nowhere in the sastra is it written that a rtvik can ever give bhakti.

[PADA: A ritvik is simply "a representative of the guru." If your followers are your "representatives" and they cannot even give any bhakti as you admit herein, then why are you making followers who cannot even give any bhakti then? You are admitting that since your followers are memrely agents of the guru cannot give any bhakti? So what is the use of your preaching? Srila Prabhupada's followers on the other hand have spread bhakti all over the planet, and this too was stated by him many times, that his followers are preaching as his agents, ritviks? Now you are saying that his whole preaching program is bogus? But your "homosexual guru" preaching is bona fide, nevermind that your policy has got many sincere post-1936 and 1977 bhaktas banned, beat and even killed? And you are proud of how your "living guru" policy treats bhaktas, it bans them, beats them, molests children, and kills people? And this gives you great satisfaction: that your "gurus" kill their own gurus with poison and molest his children and even kill his disciples with guns and this is your interpretation of giving bhakti according to "shastra"? Sorry, you have had no authority to call such fools gurus, and shastra says your party are "gurusuh narah matih, narakah sah" wrong.]

NM: [There are nineteen places in Prabhupada's books where the word 'rtvik' is used, and in all cases the word only refers to a priest officiating or performing a fire sacrifice. Even when the word used is 'rtvik acarya,' it is still defined as a priest performing a fire sacrifice for a secular gain.] This can never be the case. Those who advocate the rtvik system are misleaders, and their followers are misled. Do not go towards the rtvik system.

[PADA: What? Your homosexual guru lineage idea is not even as advanced as the regular secular priests idea? At least these "secular priests" do not merge the levels of gurus (like Jesus) and homosexual priests like your lineages have done? Moreover these "secular priests" are much more respectful to their acharyas than those of you who lump in your homosexual lineage founders or "gurus" with bona fide gurus? Also, why are you attacking Krishna's direct friends like Sudama, because his crime is he is a Brahmana? You are now saying that Sudama brahama (and "brahmana" is interchanged by Srila Prabhupada sometimes as a person who is also a priest or ritvik) is: a secularist? He is Krishna's friend? Krishna is advertised by Himself as the friend of the bhramanas. "Go-brahmanaya hitaya ca." So Krishna is a bogus deviant? Krishna goes to see the brahmanas, the ritvks, and indeed He worships them. And He has the Goddess of Fortune do the same? But we should reject and avoid the ritviks -- as bogus? Krishna is a fool according to you because He says the brahmanas are always living in His heart? Krishna has no intelligence? But you, Narayana Maharaja, have a better idea than Krishna? Worship NM's and his pal's 'living' homosexuals gurus lineage? Yep, Krishna must have forgot the most important thing says Narayana Maharaja, "You have to worship homosex as good as God"? What? And then Narayana Maharaja says he has no idea why homosex was spreading in ISKCON schools? He knows more than any of us ever could?

And so NM's homosexual if not child molester homosexual guru lineage is more advanced than a bona fide brahmana/ ritvik like Sudama? Are you people insane? And so NM has said all along that unless Srila Prabhupada appointed homosexuals as gurus, and not as mere temporary and very dubious representatives, he would have been wrong? Because apparently NM has wanted all along that little children must worship homosexuals as gurus ...just as his team of people he calls his "acharyas" did after 1936? So in sum, your party has advocated that homosexuals (and pedophiles?) are gurus all along since 1936, and as a result, you are repsonsible for the molesting, murder and so on that your system has evolved. And Srila Prabhupada says you deviants have had the same problems since post 1936? You are thus responsible for all of this mayhem, and while this is all going on, you say Sudama brahmana is a bogus secularist, but your pedophile pooja-ist idea is wonderful?]

NM: Nowadays, among others, those who fell down from their pure life and those who left the renounced order due to being very lusty want to be rtvik.

[PADA: First of all this is bogus: acharyas and gurus do not "fall" from the position of pure devotional service maharaja? Who told you this? Worse, your party are the ones who rubber stamped them as pure devotees and gurus in the first place? And so you are the one who is "lusty" after rubber stamping fools and perverts as -- gurus? We never said they were pure or gurus, rather your party did? This is a big lie, that these eleven are or were pure devotees in the first place, and then they "fell"? And you are wrong, they are not lusty to be ritviks, they are lusting after being big acharyas, and you helped them in that illusion. And they are also lusting after having illicit sex with men, women and children maharaja? And you helped their lineage? Where do you get the idea they were lusting after being given the title of "priest"? This is false. And you helped them become false gurus so they could have illicit sex with men, women and CHILDREN. You facilitated them with your rubber stamping help, as the GBC itself says they were "empowered" as gurus by their siddhanta supporters i.e. yourself.]

NM: They want to gain the same position they had before, and that is why he they are crying, "Rtvik, rtvik, rtvik!"

[PADA: Well, this is also in question, whether the eleven were ever even qualified brahmanas "before."]

NM: Actually, however, they are all fallen souls and they have nothing to do with bhakti. In none of the sastras has it been said that this rtvik system will give bhakti.

[PADA: Well Srila Prabhupada made many devotees, and he made them as (ritviks or) brahamanas, and they spread bhakti all over the planet maharaja? Why are you saying Srila Prabhupada was not making any agents, followers, representatives (or priests) and they were not spreading bhakti? Is that because he forgot to work with your homosexual guru promoter pal's guru lineage, as you said they were acharyas in 1990? Your "acharya" pals stopped the preaching with their homosexual guru ideas, and they are the real preachers? Worship homosexuals? That is your idea of real bhakti, real preaching? And your acharya Madhava Maharaja stuck his finger in Srila Prabhupada's face and insulted and threatened him, so that is another of your acharyas? Yes, the people who openly hated our Srila Prabhupada are your gurus. No wonder, our guru does not support your homosexual guru lineage ideas. The people who poisoned our guru are the people you said are gurus. Swell. And herein it is clear, you are proud of that.]

NM: Be careful regarding the bogus rtvik system. These rtviks have no faith in Krsna, no faith in bhakti, and no faith in scriptures like the Vedas, Upanisads, Srimad Bhagavatam, and Caitanya-caritamrta.

[PADA: Yes we do. Srila Prabhupada says you promoters of the post 1936 homosexual guru lineage are "severe offenders." Agreed. And worse, you then supported the GBC's homosexual and pedophile guru lineage, so you are even worse, and that is what shastra says. You did not even learn from your first era of banning, beating, homosexual guru scandals and so on as your "acharyas" created after 1936?]

NM: They also have no faith in the guru-parampara, and that is why they cannot give bhakti.

[PADA: Your "guru lineage" after 1936 murdered some bhaktas, and after 1977 it also did that, and your guru lineage has given thousands of children anal reconstructive surgery. This is you idea of bhakti? What are you talking about here?]

NM: You should give up the idea that the rtviks can help. They can never help you. They have never even helped themselves, so how can they help others?

NM: This word 'rt' has come from the word 'Rg-Veda.' Those who know all Vedas, including the Rg, Sama, Yajur, and Atharva Veda, all the Upanishads, and all the Puranas, are actually rtvik. I think, however, that these modern rtviks don't even know the ABC's of the Vedas. They say that in this world there are no pure devotees, and therefore there are no pure devotees to initiate anyone.

[PADA: You are avoiding the point. Your party has rubber stamped deviants and homosexuals as gurus, so even a ten year old karmi child has more moral sense than your party, with no knowledge of any shastra.]

NM: This idea is very, very wrong and it against the principles of bhakti. The rtvik proponents saw that the devotees in their society were quarreling amongst themselves, and that there was no suddha-bhakta there.

[PADA: And you are the primary siddhanta/ rasika/ gopi advisor/ promoter of the leaders of that "quarrel" since you had endorsed the GBC's homosexual peodphile guru founders, like Tamal, as your idea of gurus and bona fide recipients of your gopi classes. And you further said that the leaders of the 1936 homosexual guru quarrel are also your acharyas, since your team promotes the worship of homosexuals as your idea of gurus all along in history.

And you now say that Tamal's team probably poisoned our guru, so you have rubber stamped not only homosexual pedophiles but even guru poisoners are your idea of guru? So you are the one who has no common shastric sense even? The killers of Jesus are not recongized as gurus by the Christians? And why should we not "quarrel" with people who do this? We are supposed to say that guru killers and homosexual guru lineages are gurus, like your team has done? Guru killers are our guru? Even a ten year old child knows you are wrong.]

NM: Then, mistaking that those who quarreled were in the guru-parampara, the rtviks became opposed to the actual guru-parampara.

[PADA: And you are the one who mistakenly said that post 1936 Gaudiya Matha and Tamal and co are gurus? This is all your party's mistake? We said they are not gurus, and you supported them even after they apparently killed our guru some of us. Who makes you authorized to kill us? You aren't! You said that the killers of our guru are your gurus, and the killers of Sulochana and maybe me are your gurus too, and your 1936 "acharyas" orchestrated murders of folks as well, so you like to worship ...murderers, as your guru lineage? We do not.]

NM: Beware of this rtvik system. Without a self-realized guru you cannot achieve bhakti in thousands of births. This is an established truth. This is siddhanta.

[PADA: And you immediatey disagree? As soon as we say people should worship a bona fide guru like Srila Prabhupada, you come forward with your homosexual pooja idea, and worse you still say that the 1936 founders of that deviation are still your gurus today as well? Homosex? That is your guru's siddhanta, butt it is not ours? And the "guru lineages" you supported are maybe spreading AIDS to children? What is your program?]

NM: You should therefore accept a sad-guru, serve him, and try to follow his instructions. Then you can develop your Krsna consciousness and all of your anarthas will disappear. Otherwise, it will never be possible for pure bhakti to come and touch your heart and senses. ...There are so many gurus: caitya-guru, diksa-guru, siksa-guru, bhajana-guru, and others. Why go to a bogus-rtvik guru? If our siksa-gurus are Caitanya Mahaprabhu, Nityananda prabhu, and Radhika, why do we need to go to these rtviks?

[PADA: Well now you are contradicting yourself again? You are saying we cannot accept non-manifest or departed souls as our gurus, then you say, we should? Make up you mind? Anyway, your "living" homosex guru lineage idea is bogus in all circumstances, period. And so NM is always chanting "ritvik, ritvik, ritvik, is bogus," while he has been saying all along, "homosexual guru lineages are bona fide" yep, because he now knows that any knucklehead over the age of ten knows that NM is wrong for making homosexual lineages into his idea of gurus. And so now NM is mentioning ritvik more than any of us since he is now being soundly defeated, even by any ten years old? Maharaja, your gurus lineage created mass child molesting? Why are you proud of that? You should be repenting, not still pounding the drum for your homosexuals, pedophiles and murderers guru lineage ideas? thanks pd]

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Proofread by Srimati Premavati devi dasi

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01) http://members.tripod.com/gurupoison (Tamal indictment)
02) http://mitglied.lycos.de/pada/ pada newsletter archive

03) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933 Poison tape
04) Poison tape transcript:
04) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/19990519.htm
05) http://www.winink.com/tkg/ Poison whispers
06) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/poison/poison.htm Poison issue
07) http://www.egroups.com/group/Vaisnavacouncil (Visoka cyber istagosthi)
08) http://www.krsna.tv (underground Hare Krishna web site)
09) www.prabhupada.cc Prabhupada samkirtana site
10) http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/padaweb/puranjan.html Puranjana's Site
11) http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc GBC expose
12) http://pages.infinit.net/pragosh/home.html French site
13) http://members.aol.com/gauridas Gauridasa's site
14) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/ Rocana's site
15) www.harekrsna.de "Hare Krsna Homepage" (German)
16) http://members.nbci.com/prabhupada/ ISKCON Reform (German)
17) German translation of Final Order (pdf)
17) http://members.nbci.com/prabhupada/final.htm
18) http://members.xoom.com/prabhupada/ (German Expose)
19) http://www.equalsouls.org/tkg Srila Prabhupada wanted to be poisoned?
20) http://www.surrealist.org/gurukula/ Nandini's history site
21) http://www.krishnabooks.org Guptas KBI Books (he is a cheat)
22) http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc/ GBC
23) "illicit sex guru" rationalizations:
23) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/iskcon/right.htm
24) http://www.artnet.net/~yasoda/index.htm Appointment tape fraud
25) http://www.asitis.com Original Bhagavad-gita As It Is
26) http://krsnabook.com Original Krsna Book
27) http://www.krishna.org Prabhupada Hare Krishna News Network
28) http://folio.bhaktivedanta.org S.P. Folio Infobase CD-ROM
29) http://realaudio.bhaktivedanta.org Prabhupada RealAudio Archive
30) http://mp3.bhaktivedanta.org Prabhupada MP3 Bhajans, 2 CD set
31) www.domgbc.org (Direction Of Management)
32) www.acbspn.com/ Prabhupada Network
33) www.ROOPA.org (Raghunatha dasa's world economics proposal)
34) http://www.prabhupada.com/ BBT archives site
35) http://www.govinda.net (first editions of S.P. books)
36) www.oversoul.co.uk Devotional music

37) http://www.JitendriyaBooks.com Trading original SP. books
38) http://krsna.kgb.cz/hlavni.htm Prague Czech-devotees (english site)
39) http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/das/articles.htm (DAS)
40) http://www.com.org/hb/ptd/cyber_gurukula.htm (Cyber gurukula)