1) WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING?

Devotee sources say "that Manchester Temple at Walley Range in UK is up for sale. Temple President Krishna Dharma has had some problem with Abhay (Vice president). Abhay has been in India for 6 months so it is said. Temple has also got Mortgage, and the money from the sale of temple to be divided between Abhay and Krishna Dharma approx 170,000 pounds. One devotee has said it is not right that money be stolen like this since it is many Hindus and some devotees that actually contributed donations towards it --- AS A HARE KRISHNA TEMPLE. It should belong to Srila Prabhupada."

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2) NEWS BYTES

SANAT / MUKUNDA (oldham)/ Naranarayan dasa update.
Well these brilliant psychics, astrolgers, soothsayers, seers of the future, prognosticators of pada's downfall and disappeance etc. have apparently bungled yet another of their self-advertised visions of the future. Seems that Sanat predicted that the year 2000 "Y2K bug" was going to silence all of the computers in the world, and all BANK computer records would then disappear. Ummm, and he predicted also that us at pada would disappear as well? And Naranarayana dasa said all of this was brilliant stuff indeed.

But, hey, hey, hey the good news was supposed to be: Sanat's credit card debt would be erased for all time. So he allegedly ran up a big HUGE bill thinking it would not have to be paid, simultaneously he took over some cows to his land illegally, thinking no one would bother to harass him for "cow possession" in the middle of a WW III crisis type scenario. Well "the end of the world" did not come as these brilliant seers predicted, despite their constantly sending all of us photos of nuclear explosions. So the report is that Sanat's credit card debt caused a major mess for his family. And their cows were ALSO not taken care of because there never was any plan to legally house them, so the police and media came over to ask what is going on here? And so Sanat/ Mukunda / Naranarayana dasa are currently engaged in creating bad MEDIA publicy all over Western New York, that Hare Krishna devotees are cheaters, frauds and people who cannot even afford ten dollars a day to take care of their cows? Anyway, if they are that good at making predictions, why not invest in the stock market? ys pd

The Windle Turley case has been re-submitted and apparently he is going to launch three seperate suits. I'll update you when we get the details, but the Dallas portion of the case has already been filed and the original amount requested, 400 million, is still the amount being requested. The case has not ended, it has just been redirected. When the original Turley suit was filed, pada was criticized because we thought that the children were never going to get any justice without some outside help, since the inside help was not apparently manifesting? We prefer that a devotee based suit be made, sure, then we could word the case as we wanted. And we have encouraged that all along. But it was not forthcoming. And just as we predicted, the so-called devotee based lawsuit has not evolved in all this time either, nor do we know of any broad based coalition of devotees who are planning to sue the GBC over the molestation issue? If there is let us know?

Another point we made is that this case gives the GBC a major front of battle to engage their resources, and that means they cannot use their time and effort to get us Prabhupadanugas? This is like the USA? The USA has over the years complained that the Afghan "Northern Alliance" was brutalizing their opponents, and each other, and that they did not follow the Geneva convention etc. Yet the USA now funds, feeds and arms the Northern Alliance. Does that mean "the USA endorses the Northern Alliance"? No, it means the USA sees that the Northern Alliance creates a major front of battle for their real opponents, the Taliban. So if Turley can take away time, effort and funding from the GBC, that helps us? And we heard new reports that goons are still being imported in a green card scam, and that bombs are being built to "get" the devotees, so a diversion is not a bad idea right now?

MIAMI: Apparently, at least as a report from Miami says, the leader of the Miami temple, Keshava swami, has been engaged in illegally letting in aliens (South Americans no doubt) for green cards and the Feds are after him. He has been said to be hiding out. There is also some rumor there, that the temple is secretly being sold and their deities will be stolen by this Keshava swami, and he is a bit of a heavy, and so on, the usual stuff: panic and anxiety of the poor citizens.

This anyway seems to confirm our suspicion that the GBC policy has been that of bringing in illegals with a promise for green cards and they have used these illegals to form up some goonda squads to harass the Prabhupadanugas in various places. So the good news is that the Feds are apparently on to this travesty somewhat, and this bogus business might be slowed and investigated, but the bad news is that the temples will be placed into jeapordy if the leaders are conducting criminal activities therein because the temples might be seized by the Feds. Anyway, we are looking into this more but this is a report from a devotee in Miami.

SCHISMS: As for our feeling sorry that the devotees are fractured and schismed, yes that is certainly a sad affair. Arjuna was also sad that the Kauravas refused to follow the directives of the Lord. This is fitting for a devotee to feel these sentiments. A devotee is naturally very kind hearted and he does not like to see that people are deviated from the Lord and they are thus going downwards, and they are headed for ruination. Very sad.

Yet at the same time this is the eternal problem, people do not accept Krishna's authority and thus there are immediately so many different opinions, all deviated except for those who adhere to Krishna. And so Srila Prabhupada says if we follow guru and Krishna there will be Vaikuntha and harmony but if inject nonsense, and in sum we do not follow Krishna nicely, there will be split, schism, even murders in the so-called Vaishnava community. This is the problem everywhere in the material world: Krishna makes an order, for example make a GBC and worship Me via the continued worship of My pure devotee, yet immediately so many folks disagree and they try to overturn the order of the Lord via His pure devotee Srila Prabhupada, and inject the worship of deviants and so on.

So the only solution is to follow Krishna and His guru representative and worship Krishna as they ordered and not concot new programs. As for the GBC/ Gaudiya Matha idea that worship of their guru lineage (homosexuals?) requires some special sukriti, this made me laugh so hard I fell off my chair rolling on the ground. What? Even the lowest aborigines do not EVER worship homosexuals as good as God, are so apparently the deviants are de facto finally admitting the aborigines are vastly more elevated than the GBC/ Gaudiya Matha type of lineage?

Even the aborigines have more sukriti than they do? Yes, even they listen to their localized supersoul and He tells them, nopey, nopey! So even they listen to their heart/ supersoul better? So it seems? And thus we see even in the lowest aborigine society there is complete harmony and unity on this point, no one ever forwards the worship of homosexuals and makes a GBC/ Gaudiya Matha styled schism there, because the other aborigines immediately stomp on that and will not allow it, having sufficient sukriti they listen to supersoul who advises them: this is bogus. Therefore the aborigines worship things like the moon, lightning, a mountain, a lion and so on, items in the higher modes -- by God given intelligence. Supersoul. So this worship of deviants is proof, they have cut themselves off from supersoul. ys pd

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3) BIF (Bhaktivedanta Investigative Force) UPDATE

Dear Maharajas, Prabhus and Matajis. Please accept our humble obeisances. All Glories to His Divine Grace, Srila Prabhupada.

We were deeply concerned when after three years of waiting, we were subjected to the following posting by ISKCON' GBC:-

618 [Statement] It is resolved that 1) There is no evidence at this time to support the allegations of poisoning of Srila Prabhupada. This conclusion is based on two independent reports commissioned by the GBC Body. 2) The GBC body endorses the book, "Not that I am Poisoned," as the most detailed and comprehensive exposition of these allegations to date, and it recommends the book strongly to devotees who may have been affected by or who are interested in this issue. (unquote).

Firstly, there never was a single independent investigation undertaken. How then could the GBC come up with two independent reports? If by "independent" it is meant; the investigation undertaken by Balavanta Prabhu, then we must ask "Independent of whom?" In his report to the GBC, Balavanta prabhu complained:- (quote)" He (Dr. Morris) was prepared to perform these tests when he was contacted by a Mr. Hooper (Deva Gaura Hari (JPS)) from Australia) who indicated that he was also working on the investigation. Mr. Hooper was not working with me and I do not know him or his role in your investigation. Following this contact, Dr. Morris decided to assess a substantial charge for his continuing efforts. I contacted you (Bir Krsna. Former Chairman GBC) to ask for the funds to complete the study, but they have not been forthcoming." (unquote)

It becomes apparent from the statement above; Balavanta Prabhu was being funded by the GBC. When the funding ceased (for whatever reason) so did the investigation. So what exactly does the GBC mean by "independent" when in fact he was dependent. And if he was being funded by the GBC, who did he report to? Independent? Furthermore, we know from Balavanta Prabhus' report, his investigation was never completed due to the cessation of funding by the GBC. This confirms his "dependence." Investigative commissions cease only if a) The facts are revealed b) It's futile to continue c) The agency is inefficient. Or d) The results prove contrary to the clients' needs. We know that Balavanta prabhu was efficient (his reports are precise). So what were the GBC reasons for taking him off the investigation? And, unless Balavanta Prabhu is lying, the first report (posted as "conclusive" by the GBC) was never completed. So already we see two flaws in the first part of the GBC statement. 1) It was not "independent," being commissioned by the GBC on an installment basis therefore subject to its will. And 2) It was not conclusive. Another factor in play is Balavanta Prabhu's close emotional ties with the whole issue, inside and out. Under the circumstances his involvement with the investigation could never be accepted as unbiased. So why use "inside men" unless you seek an "inside verdict." It is standard procedure within all investigative bureaus, to distance investigators involved socially/emotionally with clients to avoid a conflict of interest.

Now we will take a look at the second "conclusive report." Since we don't know of anyone else, we must assume the second "reporter" to be David Hooper. This second "commission" was a law enacted by the GBC alone, no one outside the GBC's inner circle was privy to this decision. Why the GBC chose to remove Balavanta Prabhu (a qualified lawyer / Prabhupada disciple) and replace him with a fresh initiate (another involved insider)...... has never been revealed. Hoopers' "power point presentation" at Mayapura, had all the ear-marks of an inside promotion. While poor Charlies like us were still trying to grasp what "power point presentation" meant, the book, "Not that I am Poisoned" was published. All in all, the stealth speed and executive attempts to bamboozle rank-and-file, created more suspicion than conciliation. We felt the GBC had made "conclusive" what was "inconclusive" by using their license as a right. And then, with the second part of the statement below, we knew something was amiss. Not enough time had elapsed for the GBC to research and evaluate Hooper's claims, yet they endorsed the evidence it offered at face value, and for reasons unknown.

2) The GBC body endorses the book, "Not that I am Poisoned," as the most detailed and comprehensive exposition of these allegations to date, and it recommends the book strongly to devotees who may have been affected by or who are interested in this issue. (unquote). What follows is an exposure of the book "Not that I am Poisoned." This exercise will be undertaken in a part- by- part format, and presented without bias or prejudice. In return for this service, all we ask, is that we not be seen as political activists, or "ritviks" or some other splinter group or faction. It isn't going to make a difference anyway. We have no ambition to climb corporate ladders or spread tail-feathers. We are simply sons off Srila Prabhupada. As such, we cannot lie down to die without knowing the truth. And even though we have great desire to see ISKCON move away from its crisis addiction, it has little to do with our mission. This is not an attempt to put a human face on some hodoo-vodoo witchcraft. It is what it is.....an expose'.

Part One :- Enacting laws in the name of ISKCON, its body of commissioners appointed David Hooper (disciple of a GBC member) to investigate allegations surrounding the death of His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. Considering the sensitivity of the issue, one would have expected the importance of such an undertaking to be placed on the shoulders of an impartial, designated agency. Yet, for reasons known only to ISKCON' Governing Body Commission, a young university graduate with a science degree was chosen for the job. Furthermore, his secret appointment replaced Mr. W.H. Ogle (Balavanta das), a qualified lawyer. Prior to his sudden replacement Mr. Ogle had posted (VNN-5589. 2/3/00) a forensic report from Dr. J. Steven Morris. The report stated that Srila Prabhupada's hair clippings contained 2. 6 ppm arsenic, twenty times higher than normal. Soon after this report was released funding for the investigation was stopped by ISKCON' GBC. Hooper was appointed. We have no doubt after reading and checking the facts presented by Hooper, his explicit undertaking was to scramble the facts so as to occlude any further pursuance of the matter. And this is what he set out to do from the very onset. We ask readers to follow us through to the conclusion of these reports. You may then, judge for yourself:

Section one, chapter one, entitled: "Hair Analysis Shows No Sign Of Poisoning." Instantly we are alerted to a huge contradiction. Dr. J. Steven Morris, a member of the Lauder, Nuclear Analysis Program, reports that the 2. 6 ppm in Srila Prabhupada's hair is twenty times higher than normal, but Hooper tells us, ".....No Sign Of Poisoning." Let's hear what the experts have to say:-

"The arsenic concentration found was 2.6 micrograms arsenic per gram of hair (or 2.6 parts per million i.e. 2.6 ppm). The concentration is approximately 20 times higher than what I would consider a normal average for unexposed individuals living in the United States......." (Dr. J. Stephen Morris (Ph.D.) Lauder, Nuclear Analysis Program. University of Missouri-Columbia). And here's another expert summation ignored by Hooper:- "In my opinion, to a reasonable degree of medical certainty, that this individual, (Srila Prabhupada) with the history of multiple myocardial inferts (?) and non insulin dependent diabetes mellitus and considering his age would be an individual in frail health in which a chronic administration or exposure of arsenic leading to toxic levels would be expected to be a significant contributing condition to his death....." (Richard. T. Callery. M.D.,F.C.A.P. Chief Medical Examiner. Director, Forensic Sciences Laboratory. National Medical Services).

We are uneducated as to whether arsenic in drinking water and that assumulated in hair is measured on the same scale. If it is, the following press release should cause us all a great deal of concern:

BUSH TO TIGHTEN ARSENIC STANDARD. WASHINGTON-- The Bush administration, under fire for scrapping former President Clinton's standard for arsenic in drinking water, announced plans Wednesday to set a new standard within nine months... .......]....President Bush drew heavy criticism from environmentalists and others last month when his EPA killed a Clinton administration regulation that would have tightened the standard to no more than 10 parts of arsenic per billion in drinking water. The current standard, set in 1942, is 50 parts per billion.

If this scale of measurement is applicable to hair analysis; Srila Prabhupada had a massive 2,600 ppb. We are trying to get correct information and comparisons at this point. But Hooper was a man on a mission. He produced his own "expert" to mitigate (please note the caption of chapter one...he eradicates completely) the findings of Dr. Morris and R.T. Callery. Enter Larry Kovar, Hooper's "expert". The book implied (page 39, para-1 ) Mr. Kovar was (quote) "..a trained scientist working in the very specialized field of neutron activation analysis for hair arsenic content" (unquote). Hooper quotes in NTIP an email received from Larry Kovar in which Mr. Kovar says in his opinion, average hair arsenic levels are from 3 ppm to 10 ppm. We contacted M. Kovar in September this year, this is what he had to say:-

"Arsenic in normal hair may vary from less than 0.1 ppm to about 10 ppm." After three requests, he confirmed his inaccuracy of the email to the GBC author, indirectly admitting his inconsistency. Writing back to Mr. Kovar and pointing out that his opinion of normal being 0.1 to 10 ppm did not concur with scientific findings in toxicological literature, he reluctantly and partially conceded:

"Some of the references indicate that "normal" is 1 ppm arsenic, depending on several factors including diet and occupation." "The data can be found in the scientific literature." "Please note that I have data on acute poisoning, not chronic."

"Hardly an expert," wouldn't you say? It appears he was confused between chronic and acute levels of poisoning, and it is clear that Mr. Kovar is not an expert in normal hair arsenic values. He essentially concedes as much, and thus his differing opinions have been effectively retracted by he himself, and should be given no further credence. Although Mr. Kovar was a nice fellow, it turns out that Dr. Morris' estimation of normal levels of hair arsenic was the correct one after all.

Another testing company, Wyoming Analytical Laboratories, was mentioned in the GBC book, but without providing their estimation of normal arsenic values. When contacted by investigators, director Leroy Jacobs of Golden, Co stated:

"…the normal Arsenic levels in normal human hair, … I would guess it is probably less than 1 ppm."

The GBC's author claimed that Dr. Morris is not an expert on hair values and also neglected to quote the opinion as to normal values from Wyoming Analytical Labs. Then he states that Larry Kovar is an expert on the subject. The truth is that all three are in the testing field and would need to refer to the findings of those in the field of study. We find that Kovar varies from the scientific verdict, whereas Morris and Jacobs are correct. On this basis it is rejected that normal is 3-10 ppm and the scientific studies which put it at well under 1 ppm are accepted instead. Hooper's dubious research techniques will be further exposed and with more certainty as this report progresses.

PART- THREE / A

Chapter Three, "Not That I am Poisoned: The Conversations." (NTIP, page-47)

Once again we see the sect influence as Hooper plies ignis fatuus, translating truth into fiction for cult consumption. Since the "Conversations," are in fact the actual words of Srila Prabhupada and his senior disciples, it is the epicenter of the poison issue. And what the "Conversations" tell us is;

1) Srila Prabhupada raised the issue of poisoning himself.
2) He claimed he had information about his poisoning.
3) He believed it was quite possible ( SP: "....hote pare.").
4) He would not divulge his source of information in spite of being pressured.
5) He was told he had the symptoms, and believed this to be true.
6) He confirmed this by saying he had studied it (poisoning) in a book.
7) He was mentally and physically distressed about the fact.
8) He said his Guru Maharaja had also been poisoned/would not accept food except by his own men.
9) He wanted that his food be prepared under strict supervision.
10) Bhakticaru heard Srila Prabhupada's complaint and accepted that he was poisoned.
11) Tamal Krsna accepted Srila Prabhupada's complaint to be true and did not at any stage refute it.
12) The kaviraja also accepted the complaint to be true and admitted it ( kaviraja: "Yeh bolte hai to isme kuh na kuch satya ke")
13) Srila Prabhupada implied (T-46) that he was being killed by "Ravana." Yet, the author of NTIP stakes his own claim: Srila Prabhupada said, "Not that I am Poisoned." Okay, let's take a look at this claim jumper.

(NTIP Page-47, Para -2 ) " However, although Prabhupada made indirect references to poisoning, relating to what he had heard from friends or what he had felt about the makaradhvaja etc. What they seem to overlook is the fact that he made very clear and direct statements to the effect that he wasn't being poisoned."

The preposterousness of the above statement is evidently clear. If we are to believe that His Divine Grace. "...made very clear and direct statements that he wasn't being poisoned," then we must conclude that he raised the subject simply to make "clear and direct statements" that it was irrelevant. Absurd isn't it? (Our arguments along with the facts, are presented further below). Another point being subtly introduced here by Hooper is, " ..what he had heard from friends." As if the friends being referred to could quite possibly be outsiders, distanced from the immediate group. A casual friend/visitor's opinion vis-a-vis an inside observer's opinion loses validity, mitigating the informant thereby the information. Subtle and criminal. A red herring. "Ye saab friends," means all these friends, "The ones right here," a statement by Srila Prabhupada that confirms the "poison whispers" around him as did the audio forensics later.

It does not take a rocket scientist to understand that His Divine Grace suspected (if not knew) he was being poisoned. It's right there on Tape-45, side B. We are more than a hundred percent sure (from the audio tapes) that his diagnosis/information/suspicion was understood and acknowledged by all present. Therefore, Hooper's mitigation of this reality should be dealt with legally since it flies in the face of truth. If those who were standing right there beside Srila Prabhupada, accepted the fact without refutation, why is Hooper's gibberish being accepted and endorsed by the GBC? The truth is; Not a single person protested at the time. Not Damodar Shastri (kaviraja). Not Tamal Krsna (secretary). Not Bhakticaru (nurse). Not a single word (by anyone) was raised against the possibility that His Divine Grace was being poisoned. Quite to the contrary. Here below, is proof that Srila Prabhupada SAID he was being poisoned. Even if we cannot hear it on tape (for whatever reason) the very fact that it was heard and confirmed by those present proves it, ipso facto. (Excerpts taken from ISKCON BBT publication: "Conversations with Srila Prabhupada." Volume 36. Hindi translations by this author). Our comments in blue.

Kaviraja: "Yeh Maharaja, yeh kotha aap kaise bola aaj ki koi bola hi ki poison diya hai?........" Translation: Maharaji, You know how you said that someone has given you poison?....." (So here is confirmation No: 1, of Srila Prabhupada's complaint) (pg-354, line 23)

Kaviraja: "Dekhye, bat hi hai, ki koi rakshas ne diyo ho."....Translation: Look, this is the understanding, some rakshasa may have given him poison. (Here is acceptance, and confirmation No: 2) (pg-367, line 29)

Kaviraja: "Yeh bolte hai to isme kuch na kuch satya he. Isme koi sandeha nahin."....Translation: If he's saying that he is being poisoned there must be some truth to it. There's no doubt. (Here is acceptance, and confirmation No: 3) (pg-367, line 37)

Bhakticaru: "SOMEONE GAVE HIM POISON HERE." ( Acceptance, and confirmation No: 4, and from a different source) (mixed in with kaviraja statement: pg-367, line 29)

Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada, Sastriji says that there must be some truth to it if you say that. So who is it that has poisoned?
(Acceptance and confirmation No: 5, and from yet another source) (pg-368, line 1)

Tamal Krsna: "PRABHUPADA was thinking THAT SOMEONE HAD POISONED HIM." (Acceptance, and confirmation No: 6) (pg-367, line 32)
Bhakticaru: "YES." ( Confirmation No: 7) (pg-367, line 33)

Bhakticaru: "HE SAID THAT when Srila Prabhupada was saying that (He was being poisoned) THERE MUST BE SOME TRUTH BEHIND IT." (Confirmation No: 7) (pg-367, line 38)

Since the author of NTIP has gone carte blanche to establish his views, may we, in order to compound the facts, introduce testimonies of some who were there at the time. You will see that without any cue or lobbying, they absolutely agree with Bhakticaru, the kaviraja, Tamal Krsna,and His Divine Grace:

(Name witheld): " Bhakticaru was also shocked as the rest of us were. What happened was, we were all within and around Srila Prabhupada's bed, at least there were five godbrothers present.....Srila Prabhupada said something and we did not understand mostly because Srila Prabhupada spoke in a whisper then. Bhakticaru understanding it was Bengali Srila Prabhupada was speaking, climbed closer within Srila Prabhupada's bed to hear what His Divine Grace had said. In Bengali Srila Prabhupada spoke something to Bhakticaru at which he at once translated to us as Srila Prabhupada is saying, Someone has poisoned him. There was a moment of silence and we were all shocked at this. Then once again Srila Prabhupada said also only to Bhakticaru in Bengali which Bhakticaru instantly translated as, "He's saying he's been poisoned like they poisoned his Guru Maharaja." Tamala Krsna was to the back of the bed and he came around to Srila Prabhupada's left hand side and said, "Who has poisoned you Srila Prabhupada?" And then said without waiting for an answer to his question "No one could poison you it would surely have to be some poison as you are always protected by the Holy Name."

Bhakticaru: (in Europe) "It's just natural when you get such shocking complaints from Srila Prabhupada, who is very dear to you and he just happened to be the person you thought you were serving lovingly, then suddenly, the food you gave him might have been poisoned!!!"

(Name withheld) " He's been telling me for the last twenty-four years that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned. He even told me he suspected Srila Prabhupada was being poisoned before he left this world. Now he is denying. What is my gain or loss to say this. Bhakticaru Maharaja may remember that I introduced him to Krsna Consciousness and to the lotus feet of Srila Prabhupada. Why is he saying lies? Why is he denying like this?"

(Name withheld) " I was very suspicious about Srila Prabhupada's early departure when Bhakticaru approached me in a panicky mood. He was crying and weeping heavily. It was Nov, 15 th 1977. He said to me, Srila Prabhupada said someone had poisoned him.

(Name withheld) " WHEN IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT THE MEDICINES WERE HAVING NO EFFECT , THE THREE KAVIRAJAS WHO HAD WORKED ON SWAMIJI (SRILA PRABHUPADA) MET TO DISCUSS THE PROBLEM. IT WAS CONCLUDED AT THE MEETING THAT THE SWAMI'S BODY HAD BEEN POISONED AND THAT THE MEDICINES WERE PROVING INEFFECTUAL BECAUSE OF IT. IT WAS FURTHER DECIDED TO MAKE A FORMULA THAT WOULD FIRSTLY DEAL WITH THE POISON, AND HAVING SUCCESSFULLY REMOVED IT, THE SWAMI COULD THEN BE TREATED FOR HIS AILMENT. DURING THE PROCESS OF SECURING THE HERBS FOR THE TASK; SWAMIJI LEFT HIS BODY."

If, in spite of the above evidence you remain convinced otherwise........ The halo 'round your head is really a toadstool. That funny smell is horse-dung. You're standing in it. And the eerie glow is not an effulgence at all, it's controlled light, used for growing mushrooms. Back to the book (NTIP) and Chapter-Three.

(NTIP page 48) " Srila Prabhupada gives an unequivocally straightforward answer to a straightforward question, "No...not that I am poisoned." No amount of word jugglery now or in the future can take away the clear and simple fact that Prabhupada himself denied that he was poisoned." And then again on Page-51, para-4, Hooper tells us: "....In contrast the phrase, "Not that I am poisoned," is a direct reply to Tamala Krishna Maharaja's question asking Prabhupada, "Did you say you were poisoned?"

Now, we have searched through all the available information on the "Conversations" to try and validate Hooper's claims. Nowhere can we find this question or answer. Besides, it is grammatically unacceptable. Here, try it on for size:

TK: DID YOU SAY YOU WERE POISONED?
SP: NOT THAT I AM POISONED.

Doesn't make any sense, does it? you may try the longer version if you like....the result will be the same. Here we go:

TK: SRILA PRABHUPADA? YOU SAID BEFORE THAT YOU...THAT IT IS SAID THAT YOU WERE POISONED?
SP: NOT THAT I AM POISONED.

Told you didn't I? So, the truth is; Srila Prabhupada never said: 'Not that I am Poisoned," as a statement in itself. The excerpt was taken from a twenty-one-word statement that appears in its entirety on page 47 of the book NTIP. When we get to page 48, sixteen words from the twenty-one word statement have been butchered to leave us with: NO...NOT THAT I AM POISONED. By the time we reach page 51 of the book, the NO and three dots denoting a pause have also been axed leaving us with: NOT THAT I AM POISONED. This desecration of Srila Prabhupada's words have served no purpose. Because if, as the book claims; Srila Prabhupada had said "Not that I am Poisoned," Tamal Krsna would have believed it. The kaviraja would have believed it. Bhakticaru would have believed it. But they didn't, and here's the proof. (Excerpt from "Conversations with Srila Prabhupada." Vol 36. Page-359) (our comments in blue) :-

SP: NO THESE KIND OF SYMPTOMS ARE SEEN WHEN A MAN IS POISONED. HE SAID LIKE THAT. NOT THAT I AM POISONED.
TK: DID ANYONE TELL YOU THAT OR YOU KNOW IT FROM BEFORE (know what from before...that he was NOT POISONED?)
SP: I READ SOMETHING (read what....that he was NOT POISONED?)
TK: AH, I SEE. THAT'S WHY ACTUALLY WE CANNOT ALLOW ANYONE TO COOK FOR YOU. (now why would Tamal want to stop "anyone" from cooking for SP...is it because SP said he was NOT POISONED?)

Directly after SP was supposed to have admitted (according to NTIP) that He was not being poisoned, here's the kaviraja:- (Excerpt from "Conversations with Srila Prabhupada." Volume 36, page-367. Translated from Hindi)

KAVIRAJA: (translated) "LOOK, THIS IS THE THING, THAT MAYBE SOME RAKSHASA GAVE HIM POISON." (why didn't the kaviraja believe SP when he said NOT THAT I AM POISONED). And again:-
KAVIRAJA: (translated) "IF HE SAYS (THAT HE'S BEEN POISONED) THERE MUST BE SOME TRUTH TO IT. THERE'S NO DOUBT. ( if no one present at the time, believed that SP had said: NOT THAT I AM POISONED as a statement in itself; how can the GBC ask us to believe it now?)

And just for good measure, we'll throw in Bhakticaru's 'disbelief's,' spoken after the (NOT THAT I AM POISONED) quote in question:- (Excerpt from "Conversations with Srila Prabhupada." Volume 36, page-367)

BHAKTICARU: (to Bhavananda and others) HE'S SAYING THAT SOMEONE GAVE HIM POISON (well, well. it appears that Bhakticaru doesn't believe the GBC endorsed version)
TAMAL KRSNA: PRABHUPADA WAS THINKING THAT SOMEONE HAD POISONED HIM (Tamala Krsna definitely doesn't believe it)
BHAKTICARU: YES. (but now, in the new GBC version of events Bhakticaru says "No.")
TAMAL KRSNA: THAT WAS THE MENTAL DISTRESS? (why mental distress? when there's no poisoning)
BHAKTICARU: YES (but now Bhakticaru says "No.")

So here's what was truly said:
TK: SRILA PRABHUPADA? YOU SAID BEFORE THAT YOU...THAT IT IS SAID THAT YOU WERE POISONED?
SP: "NO. THESE KIND OF SYMPTOMS ARE SEEN WHEN A MAN IS POISONED. HE SAID LIKE THAT, (right. that's what "He" said) NOT THAT I AM POISONED." ( "HE" didn't say that I was poisoned. Bas)

Note: The "No" in Srila Prabhupada's answer and the period that follows, is a BBT interpretation not ours. Whoever bequeathed them the right to ad-lib in this way, quite possibly, empowered the author of NTIP as well. "No" is not necessarily "NO," when used by Bengali conversationalists (this writer is also guilty). "No," is often used to interrupt the other speaker, or to avoid deviating from the subject under discussion, or simply to shut someone up. If we accept the "No" and the period behind it (as presented by the ISKCON BBT interpreters'), then we are being told (subtly) that Srila Prabhupada is saying "No"......no one said." But we have proof that this is not so: "Ka bole je poison korechhe......hote pare (someone said that I've been poisoned...it's possible). So now we can understand the "No" to be simply a figure of speech, deserving only a short pause rather than a contemplative stop. This understanding will remove the contradiction being proffered by ISKCON' BBT punctuators'. And for those who are disturbed by Srila Prabhupada's vagueness, ambiguity, refusal to reveal his informant and general unwillingness to cooperate on this issue. We cannot begin to clarify it without saying; he was suspicious of those around him. There can be no other explanation.

If, in spite of the above evidence you remain convinced otherwise.......Check your halo, the smell, and your effulgence. Back to the book (NTIP) and Chapter-Three.

NTIP, page 48: "......the poison advocates claim that he (SP) actually revealed the truth in Hindi to the kaviraja about his poisoning, while keeping the information hidden from his disciples."

At last we find some common ground. Why do the poison advocates (?) deny the facts? "Denial" is not a river in Egypt, it lives and breathes in the hearts of those who choose to remain uneducated on this matter (and there are many). The truth is; Srila Prabhupada would tell anyone who came close enough to hear him, and this included practical strangers. Balaram Misra (a visiting Bengali priest) had barely asked Srila Prabhupada ".....chinte perecchen aamake?" (do you recognize me?), before Srila Prabhupada was saying, "Ka bole je poison korechhe......hote pare (someone said that I've been poisoned...it's possible). He told the kaviraja. He told Bhakticaru. He told Tamal Krsna (with reservations). In fact, following his disclosure to Balaram Misra, security was tightened considerably. Only those screened and approved were permitted entry. Even so, no private mano-a-guru darshans were possible. There are still many disciples out there, who remember how they were kept away from their Gurudeva when they most wanted to be near him. Srila Prabhupada was continuously and closely monitored. We know for a fact that many of Srila Prabhupada's old friends were turned away without darshan. Nrshmanandan Goswami, O.B.L. Kapoor, Bishvambar Goswami, Dr. Khurana. Dr. Ghosh, all complained bitterly about Tamal Krsna's security cordon. There should be no doubt that His Divine Grace would, and did tell those around him of the poisoning. And there should be absolutely no doubt that his "screened and approved" attendants knew this. If they had not formed a security cordon around him, statements such as the ones below could never have been possible:

(NTIP. Page-146) Tamala Krsna: . "WE did not go searching for a murderer because WE concluded there was no murder." (Note: We have asked Tamal Krsna before, now we ask him again: Who are the "WE" that made this decision?)

("Conversations." Page-368 ) Tamala Krsna: No poison is strong enough to stop the Hari Nam Srila Prabhupada.
("Conversations." Page-368) Kaviraja: (Hindi) Bas. Hari Nam ke samne...woh Mira ko jitna poison diya tha; ek boond parjanese aadmi ka death ho jate. Woh sub pegeya woh, batlayie? Jo Bhagvan ke prasad lag jate na, woh poison
amrit ho jata, samajhte? Trans: That's all. In front of Hari Nam...The amount of poison that was given to Mira; one drop could cause a man's death. (Mira) drank it all, explain that? When one is feeling God's mercy that poison becomes nectar, understand?

Back to Chapter Three (NTIP)-- Overwhelming evidence compels even the most hard-boiled antagonists to concede. Here we are, reviewing a book endorsed by the GBC as being a record of conclusive proof that no poisoning occurred. Yet, the book admits that Srila Prabhupada had made an educated diagnosis of his condition, and it counters what the book professes. "How is this possible?" you ask. Well, our Guru Maharaja was a superb trickster, he tricked us all into accepting the Absolute Truth and continues to do so. Just see:-

(NTIP page 50) (quote) "........Prabhupada himself didn't think he had been poisoned, rather someone else had said that he had similar symptoms to poisoning, and Prabhupada himself agreed because he had previously read a book describing the symptoms of poisoning." (unquote).

When we consider, His Divine Grace is the author of so many books; knowledge which has afforded his disciples marble edifices, homes in Beverly Hills and Cadillacs to boot, why should we doubt when he agrees with someone whose analyses concur with his own educated diagnoses? Another point: It is not our intent to bicker with the GBC (now that we are on a good wicket), but the assumption that His Divine Grace "...read a book..." is wrong. Srila Prabhupada was (besides so much more) a schooled chemist, that means........many books had been read on the subject. That's right, he was in a better position than anyone else there (including the bush doctor, nurse, secretary or oracular "WE" ) to make a diagnosis. Now, back to Chapter Three.

(NTIP page 51) (quote) " As any Hindi speaker will confirm, the phrase ' vahi bat 'means only ' that same discussion/talk,' and that is all. ' Vahi' means 'the same' and 'bat' means 'discussion' or 'subject.'

This writer speaks Hindi (Bengali as well) and feels disinclined to agree with NTIP's "any Hindi speaker" who literally translates "Vahi" to mean " the same," or "bat" as "discussion/ subject." Wheras Hooper has some semblance of what's being said, he's still a few bricks short the full load. "Vahi" means "that," and "bat" (as a, in bath) means "talk." The literal translation for "Vahi bat" is " "That talk." There can be no other literal translation for these two words separately or conjointly. Had the "researcher" for NTIP done his homework; his "Hindi speaker" would have advised him that "discussion" is translated as: batcheet, even mulkaat, panchaat, or alaap, but never correctly as bat. Grammatically speaking; "bat" is monologue, whereas batcheet is dialogue. As for bat translating as "subject;" it can't be done by any stretch of the imagination.

So then, the question remains, "What did Srila Prabhupada mean by "Vahi bat" or "That talk?" To understand this, we need a colloquial approach. Just as Australians have abbreviated the sayings of their British predecessors, such as "G'day mate!" (taken from the Colonial " 'ave a good day Sir! "). Similarly, Indians adopted and abbreviated quips and quotes from the British Raj. One such popular quote was: "The same old story." (an statement of Colonial frustration). This quote translates colloquially as "Vahi bat." Only this au fait with the vernacular can offer a holistic view of the meaning. Bereft of this understanding, speculation is rife (a fate befallen our NTIP protagonist). Yet, if we follow Hooper's prompt; "the same discussion" or "the same subject," still winds up as "the same old story." Because, if we return to the same discussion/subject from the previous day, we find the discussion to be about poison, and the subject.... its effect. An account of murder, to which Srila Prabhupada added , "My Guru Maharaja also....."The same old story."

As we move further down page 51 of NTIP, we can understand why liberties were taken with the translation. Once again the author moves callously towards mitigation, imposing a fabrication. In this instance: the degradation of a pure devotee. By suggesting and giving cause for Srila Prabhupada's "mental distress," NTIP attempts to restructure the uttama platform to accommodate modern ISKCON philosophy. Here is the text in its transparency:

(NTIP page 51) The fact of the matter is this. Prabhupada never said, "Someone has poisoned me," in response to the question, "Have you been poisoned?" The only time he says these words are in response to, "What was causing you the mental distress this morning?" He replies that it was the talk from the day before about the possibility that someone had poisoned him.

No. The fact of the matter is this: Srila Prabhupada never said he was "mentally distressed." From all accounts; his mind was under perfect control. Brahma bhuta prasannatma na sochati na kankshati.........The suggestion of "mental distress" came from Bhavananda, the grandfather of all mental distress. The very fact that Hooper gives this neophyte-perpetuated-observation credence, reveals his own camp and choice of bedfellows. Anyway, by what hidden data has he arrived at this conclusion. Asking readers to accept "Vahi bat" as "the same talk/subject/ discussion from the day before," is no different from saying, "Srila Prabhupada said, "Not That I am Poisoned." Whereas, to read the words "Vahi bat" as "the same old story," discards the nonsense "mental distress" theory while corroborating the audio evidence in hand. Here is the evidence, judge for yourself:

("Convrsations." Page-359) Tamal Krsna: Jayapataka Maharaja was telling that one acarya, Sankaracarya, of the Sankaracarya line- this was a while ago- he was poisoned to death. Since that time, none of the acaryas or the gurus of the Sankaracarya line will ever take any food cooked except by their own men.
Prabhupada: My Guru Maharaja also.

(the same old story)
("Conversations." Page-368) Bhakticaru: He was referring to a case, a big murder case in Calcutta, the husband poisoned the wife.

Bhavananda: Guha.
Kaviraja: Trans: Svarupa Guha...the case is now
Bhakticaru: Shankara Bannerjee was...
Bhavananda: Our lawyer is the...(sniggers).

(the same old story)

(Conversations." Page-367) Kaviraja: (Trans): Listen, this is the understanding that some demon (may) have given (poison)...Caru swami ..some demon has given (poison). This can happen. It's not impossible. There's that Sankaracarya (person), someone gave him poison. For six months he suffered. There is glass you know? Bottle glass? It was ground and fed in food. What befell him after twelve months; leprosy spread inside his body. Everyone suffers their karma. But the medicine I have given, if any (poisonous) effect occurs; it cannot stay. I give a guarantee, that even if there are effects, they will not stay. Because right now I cannot detect (poison) has been given to him. It is detected when the kidneys go bad, or by some symptom of disease, by (effects) of the eclipse, or by poison (?)

(the same old story)

(Conversations" Page-368) Kaviraja:(Trans) The biggest (worst) poison is mercury.
Bhakticaru: (Trans) That was Gaya, that which...
Kaviraja: (Trans) No, no....that was Svarupa Guha. You read about it didn't you? ...in Calcutta?
SP: Hmm.
Kaviraja (repeats): Svarupa Guha?
Bhakticaru: (Trans) Svarupa Guha....he doesn't know (about it).
Kaviraja: (Trans) Her husband had given it.
Bhakticaru: (Trans) Really?.
Kaviraja: (Trans) It does not come in a medicine form. Such a heavy dose was given. It's what we call Rashkapoor .
Bhakticaru: (Trans) No. That mercury was in...the makhadwaja.
Kaviraja: (Trans) No, no. That's not mercury. It's called by another name.
Bhakticaru: (Trans) Really?
Bhavananda: What did he say?
Bhakticaru: He said that it's quite possible that mercury, it's a kind of poison...
Bhagatji: That makhadwaja...
Kaviraja: Rashkapoor
Bhakticaru: Rashkapoor?
Kaviraja: (Trans) Aamer Rash. That's one preparation...It's very poisonous....

the same old story

Protected by taboos forbidding investigation, poison has claimed the lives of many acaryas in India. In the same year Srila Prabhupada passed away, five other acaryas in the Mathura/ Vrindavan district also passed on. Poison was suspect in every case. To an Indian sadhu, assassination of a guru is "Vahi bat".....the same old story. Even the Vedas have stringent laws concerning this Gurucide. In recent times however (due to tighter security, not legal accessibility), murderous disciples have resorted to whatever means available.

INDIA TODAY. April 30, 2001.
GUNMEN OF THE GODS. By Subhash Mishra
Mahant Divyanandji Maharaj of the Swargashram Pilikothi ....never moves about the city without his commandos. "Most of us have firearms for our own personal security and to fight against unscrupulous operators who are disguised as sadhus," says Divyanandji. "There have been many incidents in the past when a disciple HAS KILLED A HEAD PRIEST FOR OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY ATTACHED TO THE RELIGIOUS PLACES. There are miscreants who want to grab the land either by dethroning the head priest or implicating him in false cases or EVEN ELIMINATING HIM PHYSICALLY," says the Maharaj. "So what is wrong with preparing ourselves against such elements?"

Echoing the same sentiments, Mahant Ramji Das, who heads the Santoshi Akhara, says that sometime ago, THE TEMPLE HEAD- PRIEST WAS MURDERED BY HIS SO CALLED DISCIPLES. "We don't want a similar incident and that's why I bought this rifle for my defence," says Das. Mahant Ram Kirpal Das: " When Lord Ram came to Chitrakoot he was armed with a bow and arrows to eliminate evils and monsters." The suggestion of course, is that Das is merely following in the Lord's footsteps. Mahant Anoop Das of the Khaki Akhara which has about 40 bighas of land attached to the temple has two firearms with him and has two "disciples" for his security. He parrots the same reasons for security that everyone else does.

the same old story

Finally, we take a look at the bizarre mental baggage being used by NTIP to skip reality. Here it is:

(NTIP page 51): Another very interesting point which has come to light recently, is a report from a senior Bengali doctor stating that it is common terminology for elderly Bengali Vaisnavas to say that they've been poisoned when some treatment doesn't work. Ameyatma Das reported this in a com message dated 26 January, 2000...."

What in the name of God does Hooper mean by, "...very interesting point that has come to light?" As if some great scientific discovery has been made. Let's go to Ameyatma Das' "report" to find out what it is, shall we? Here it is:

(NTIP, pg-52) Also one Bengali Dr. I was speaking with, I told him what Prabhupada said, how he was being poisoned. He laughed, but was also upset, because he said he has treated many elderly Bengali Vaisnavas and that it is a very common statement for older Bengalis when they are given some medicine that does not work well for them. He said that it is very common Bengali statement for their generation to complain that the Dr. or someone or the medicine is poisoning them. He is a Bengali, Calcutta man, Dr, who treated many older Bengali's so I give his understanding some credibility.

And there we have it, after twenty-four years, the GBC endorsed reason why no legal or pathological investigation was carried out in lieu of Srila Prabhupada's disclosures. What we are being handed are the inferences of a Bengali doctor (who in all probability, doesn't have a clue-to-clue about the case) telling us that elderly Vaisnavas' (a loose Iskcon term) complain of poisoning when dissatisfied with prescribed medicines. And, all that we get in the way of authenticating this wonderful fait accompli; is Ameyatma Das' conviction, Hooper's embalming, and the GBC's endorsement. Could either of these three (or the good doctor) please tell us , "What does an elderly Vaisnava say when he is being poisoned?" And, has Ameyatma Das in all his wisdom, come to terms with the ridiculousness of his statement. Listen closely to what he writes: "He said that it is very common Bengali statement for their generation to complain that the Dr. or someone or the medicine is poisoning them." ....

What Ameyatma is saying, and what Hooper gives posterity (with GBC approval); is that no matter how an "elderly Vaisnava" is poisoned, it should never be seen as anything more than a complaint. Don't blame the doctor (kaviraja). Don't blame the medicine (poison). Don't even blame SOMEONE (Tamal, Bhavananda, Bhakticaru, et al). The purport is: Don't blame ANYONE or ANYTHING, Prabhupada's gone....live with it. To us out here, it appears like Srila Prabhupada's death was a convenience, just as its investigation is proving an inconvenience.

To be continued...............

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01) http://members.tripod.com/gurupoison (Tamal indictment)
02) http://mitglied.lycos.de/pada/ pada newsletter archive

03) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933 Poison tape
04) Poison tape transcript:
04) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/19990519.htm
05) http://www.winink.com/tkg/ Poison whispers
06) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/poison/poison.htm Poison issue
07) http://www.egroups.com/group/Vaisnavacouncil (Visoka cyber istagosthi)
08) http://www.krsna.tv (underground Hare Krishna web site)
09) www.prabhupada.cc Prabhupada samkirtana site
10) http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/padaweb/puranjan.html Puranjana's Site
11) http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc GBC expose
12) http://pages.infinit.net/pragosh/home.html French site
13) http://members.aol.com/gauridas Gauridasa's site
14) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/ Rocana's site
15) www.harekrsna.de "Hare Krsna Homepage" (German)
16) http://members.nbci.com/prabhupada/ ISKCON Reform (German)
17) German translation of Final Order (pdf)
17) http://members.nbci.com/prabhupada/final.htm
18) http://members.xoom.com/prabhupada/ (German Expose)
19) http://www.equalsouls.org/tkg Srila Prabhupada wanted to be poisoned?
20) http://www.surrealist.org/gurukula/ Nandini's history site
21) http://www.krishnabooks.org Guptas KBI Books (he cheated Hansadutta)
22) http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc/ GBC
23) "illicit sex guru" rationalizations:
23) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/iskcon/right.htm
24) http://www.artnet.net/~yasoda/index.htm Appointment tape fraud
25) http://www.asitis.com Original Bhagavad-gita As It Is
26) http://krsnabook.com Original Krsna Book
27) http://www.krishna.org Prabhupada Hare Krishna News Network
28) http://folio.bhaktivedanta.org S.P. Folio Infobase CD-ROM
29) http://realaudio.bhaktivedanta.org Prabhupada RealAudio Archive
30) http://mp3.bhaktivedanta.org Prabhupada MP3 Bhajans, 2 CD set
31) www.domgbc.org (Direction Of Management)
32) www.acbspn.com/ Prabhupada Network
33) www.ROOPA.org (Raghunatha dasa's world economics proposal)
34) http://www.prabhupada.com/ BBT archives site
35) http://www.govinda.net (first editions of S.P. books)
36) www.oversoul.co.uk Devotional music

37) http://www.JitendriyaBooks.com Trading original SP. books
38) http://krsna.wz.cz/hlavni.htm Prague Czech-devotees (english site)
39) http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/das/articles.htm (DAS)
40) http://www.com.org/hb/ptd/cyber_gurukula.htm (Cyber gurukula)