News byte......

A very well known newspaper reporter called pada and discussed the guru issue for an upcoming newspaper article. We told him that the whole thing can be summed as "the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophile's regime," and he was shocked. Of course, word is, the current followers of this regime are circulating a petition in ALACHUA FLORIDA to again forbid the worship of Srila Prabhupada, and re-instate their pedo-pooja project. We'd like the names of these perverted fools so we can report them to the newspapers. It seems that there is no satisfying these homosexual pedophile lineage pooja-ites like Danavir, he is apparently not satisifed that only 1000 children were molested under his jackboots regime, he seems to want millions of more children to worship his pedophile guru regime. Nice eh what? In any event, your idea will not grow, guaranteed! thanks pd

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1) MAHAKSYA DASA

MD: Haribol, folks. Hope all are well and engaged in Visnoh smaranam, which includes remembrance of Visnu's empowered representatives, the Vaisnava Acaryas. I owe letters to my dear friends Jayaradhe and Visoka, so perhaps I can accomplish this by an open letter here on the VC. This unchecked criticism of the Vaisnava community is not new, nor out of the ordinary, and while Srila Prabhupada was physically present, He addressed this tendency of us all to find fault, cheat each other, play political games, etc. He addressed this by simply saying don't do it.

[PADA: Agreed. Srila Prabhupada is crystal clear on these points. He said all along: do not worship false gurus; do not respect false gurus; do not nominate, appoint, vote in, and/or otherwise concoct bogus ecclesiastical guru systems and generate said false acharyas in ISKCON. Why? This is wrong, it is apa-siddhanta, it DISRESPECTS the bona fide acharyas, it is a plot to usurp the properties, and so on and so forth. Also agreed, he further said this is cheating, it is politics, it is disregarding the order of the bona fide acharya, and indeed Sri Isopanisad says it will take its promoters to "the most obnoxious regions of the universe." To sum, many quotes on this topic, all very clear. So you are right, he said: "Do not do this." It is a direct order. And worse, this deviation de facto claims that the acharyas are faulty and defective since they appoint unqualified successors. (?) Jesus appointed the Pope, so Jesus is bogus. Ummmm, but when did Jesus appoint the Pope?]

MD: A case in point. There are two folks on different lines of the great battle. Both are Vaisnavas to the highest degree, and even though, as ksatriyas, dharma dictated that they fight each other, they were still bound by spiritual laws concerning proper behavior toward Vaisnavas. Dronacarya was faultless, yet he did not deter the abuse of Draupadi, who is of such perfection in all respects that She, too, is called Krsna.

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada said that Dronacarya is faulty for supporting the Kauravas. Arjuna also saw Dronacharya being killed in the mouth of Krishna's universal form because he was already destroyed even before that battle. He was condemned by his actions ALREADY. And the reason Dronacharya supported the Kauravas was that he had become too much dependent on them for his livelihood, as is stated in the Gita. Therefore a true brahmana must be independent in his livelihood or else he will become contaminated by this over dependence. Srila Prabhupada thus says in the Srimad Bhagavatam that those who harassed Draupadi, as well as those who refused to defend her, they were all destined to be annihilated due to their offenses. And in fact, the Srimad Bhagavatam further says that, indeed thus all of them were duly slaughtered.

A bona fide male Vaishnava is moreover not duty bound to stand by and watch as a woman, and especially a devotee woman, is insulted and harassed. Rather, a Vaishnava male is duty bound to protect the women class in general and devotee women in particular. Shastra says, one who insults the women class is destined to diminish his life, reputation, wealth and so on. It is an offense (aparadha). And so one who insults the devotee women class is destined for severe reactions, at least according to the Srimad Bhagavatam. To sum, insulting a devotee woman is a severe fault. How is this faultless? This is one of the reasons so many abuses to woman have taken place in ISKCON, those doing the abuse were "devotees" so nothing was done. This is bogus sentimentalism which is DANGEROUS to women and children.]

MD: Yudhisthira is the embodied representation of Dharma Himself, yet He intentionally misled Dronacarya into thinking His son was killed, thus removing the fighting spirit, which is the only way He could be possibly defeated. Prior to this error by Yudhisthira, his feet never contacted the Earth plane, yet once he said "Aswattama is dead", his feet immediately touched the terrestrial surface. In other words, it was a lie to his spiritual master, even though it was covered by the fact that Aswattama the elephant was indeed dead, DHARMA was not fooled in the least. Now what do we puny individuals think of all this? Do we make it a habit of calling Yudhisthira a liar? Do we say that Drona chose to serve Duryodhana, and therefore is not a Vaisnava?

[PADA: Well Drona was great, but he chose to support the offenders and as such he was annihilated. Even if one is great, he cannot support deviants without contaminative result.]

MD: What I am getting at is that one not engage in such criticisms of the Vaisnavas. Their activities are far beyond the scope of our understanding, therefore not subject to our feedback.

[PADA: Perhaps, but there are lessons to be learned from Dronacharya. We must must try to be be independently thoughtful and so: do not depend on deviants for a livelihood; Whatever side Krishna takes, that is the side that will win despite any effort on our part; If Krishna's female devotees are being aggressed, the lesser etiquette must retire and they must be defended or else one is implicated and so on and so forth. As for our not understanding this great alleged "mystery," there is no mystery here. People who mistreat great souls are destined to be condemned. There are plenty of examples of this in shastra, it is thus possible to feedback on this topic because it is mentioned everywhere.]

MD: One may counter with a list of faults seen in a particular individual, but is such a list even noteworthy if the individual is successfully changing materialists and those who think God is an illusion or under the power of illusion into Krsna Conscious devotees?

[PADA: That depends? Many so-called "big devotees" are preaching that the acharyas are deviants because they appointed bogus persons as their successors. Other so-called big devotees are preaching that the acharyas are deviants if they had not appointed foolish idiots as their successors, and so on. So to change an innocent outside person to become a devotee is fine, if it is in line with the preaching of the acharyas. But if some are preaching against the orders of the acharyas, they are not really preaching but they are creating factions, schism, complications, misunderstandings, and resultant anger, aggression, banning, beating, molesting and even murder and so on, as we have all seen.]

MD: I dont expect much response to this, but I did make a mistake against a member of this VC quite a few years ago. I was in the habit of calling out a particular "Zonal Acarya" and placing great criticism against this person, yet my friend wrote me, and explained that this person gave him a whole lot of impetus to continue his service to Krsna. So, me feelings toward this guru may not have been swayed at all by the mild rebuke by my friend, but my public criticism stopped. I cannot change the absolute fact that he is Guru, by definition, to the person, because he gave him Krsna.

[PADA: Again that depends. A person may be giving some idea of Krishna, but overlapping that with contaminated ideas, such as the sahajiyas are doing. They may be some type of guru perhaps, just as the sahajiyas claim to be gurus as well, but as we see, by preaching contaminated ideas they also create major misunderstandings and severe problems.]

MD: So, we may claim Srila Prabhupada as eternal guru (which I do not dispute in the least), but this is our personal realization and very intimate and confidential. However, He remains eternal guru if his disciple is acting on his behalf, and the disciple's disciple sees also the full representation of Srila Prabhupada in his guru.

[PADA: That is the problem, the new disciples are being told that persons full of anarthas and deviations are "full" representations of Srila Prabhupada, they are gurus, parampara members, acharyas and so on. No, a neophyte is at best a partial representation, and that is why he has to be recognized in his limited capacity.]

MD: I made a comment about "rtvik" which was uncalled for, yet my position against such philosophy remains, largely due to the fact that it is a latter day position.

[PADA: This is a red herring argument. Even if Srila Prabhupada only said "GBC" once, it does not change the fact that this is his order? If he said "do not eat meat" only once, does that mean we can eat it because he only said it once? This are false arguments, "latter day" "not repeated too many times" and so on. Irrelevant. For the record, the GBC and ritvik system was in place in the early 1970s, he had people chanting on beads early on and all along. He also said he wanted to make a brahamana class (ritviks) perhaps hundreds of times, all along from the late 1960s. CONSTANTLY.]

MD: Rtvikism was not taught by Srila Prabhupada, and is not presented in his masterpiece literature to any degree.

[PADA: It is presented everywhere: he wanted brahmanas (ritviks). He wanted a brahmanical board (ritviks) or a GBC. Violating that order is the deviation of the Gaudiya Matha. That he wanted brahmanas (ritviks), a brahmanical board or GBC, and/or representatives and not bogus gurus is ALL HE EVER TAUGHT since 1936.]

MD: On may counter with many letters attributed to him, but epistles are perfunctory and not of the same status as the Gospel as presented in His personally approved books.

[PADA: Yes, in his books he mentions that he wants to produce brahmanas (ritviks). He also says in his books that making false gurus is the Gaudiya Matha's deviation. He also calls one of their leaders "like Ravana" and so on. He also mentions this brahmana board idea, GBC idea, etc. in his conversations, personal directives, letters, books, all areas. Why are his letters outside of his orders? This is the same thing the GBC said in 1978, well his letters are not shastra. Wrong. EVERY WORD SPOKEN by the pure devotee is SHASTRA. Shastra is a record of the words of the pure devotee?]

MD: So my position is mine, to live or die with, but I regret any perceived offense that may have come from my improper use of words. I am not opposed to the devotional service performed by the proponants of rtvik philosophy, but I do protest the manner in which some demonize all those who dont follow their opinions in the matter.

[PADA: We do not demonize anyone. The GBC and Gaudiya Matha has made deviants into gurus, and the bona fide devotees everywhere reject that.]

MD: None of Srila Prabhupada's godbrothers who are honestly trying to follow the order of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati are to be considered "demons".

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada said that the many of the Gaudiya Matha's post 1936 leaders deviated, indeed they made deviant acharyas, and then they enforced that with violence. And as such, they were not "honestly trying to follow their guru's orders." Rather they were trying to violently enforce a deviation from the guru's orders. Srila Prabhupada moreover said that there are snakes, offenders, guru killers, Ravanas, and so on in that group. That means there were demon influences, unless you think snakes and Ravanas are sadhus?]

MD: I am certain that many may have lack of brainpower and are not of the character that Srila Prabhupada encompasses, but they are still beyond our criticism. Srila Prabhupada may have criticized them, even in front of us, but this is not permission to engage in campaigns against them. In fact, Srila Prabhupada's declaration that "the war is over" is not for the benefit of his peers, but is for his followers exclusively.

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada may have said, the war is over, but the fact is: his God brothers deviated from the order of their guru. Still a fact. He never said that the deviants had changed their siddhanta. America will eventually "end the war" with the Taliban, that is fine but that does not mean America will endorse the Taliban's siddhanta?]

MD: Now, to our peers. We have seen enough that to give up on everything related to Krsna may well be excusable.

[PADA: Good point. The GBC's purges, scandals, and other odious schemes have indeed caused some of us to "have seen enough" nonsense, and to thus send most of our dear God brothers and sisters scrambling away, sometimes to other gurus, other religions, and indeed sometimes into mayavadism, Buddhism, atheism and in sum "giving up on everything related to Krishna." And so it is excusable that they left, true, but we would say that it is not excusable that the GBC orchestrated conditions for the mass exodus from ISKCON that we have seen. So the deviants used this "guru" issue as a wedge to drive out the brothers and sisters and to take over the property, just like they did in the Gaudiya Matha.

Of course Srila Prabhupada says of both of these parties, the deviants and those who left, both are useless. In the Gaudiya Matha he says that one party deviated and one party left, and thus Srila Prabhupada says they are all asara or useless. One party deviated and the other party should have fought them off and corrected the situation and saved their Church from marauding hoodlums, and they should not have simply left the situation to fall apart and deteriorate. And especially, the women, children and senior devotees should have been protected from these thug activities.]

MD: But if we still hang on, despite what we have witnessed in the name of Krsna, this is a tribute not to us, but to Srila Prabhupada Himself, who shines through the smoke of Kali Yuga as authentic.

[PADA: You have answered your own question here. Since the GBC gurus are what you admit "representatives of Kali Yuga," and indeed you admit herein that they are, then how are they gurus? They are not gurus. And furthermore, a representative of the smoke of Kali Yuga is normally called a demon, at least that is the version of shastra. And why are we forced to be in a condition where we are barely hanging on to a bit of floatsam in the ocean? What about the dynamic society of a ship that would cross the ocean of Kali that Srila Prabhupada wanted?]

MD: There is no need to list the improper behavior of our peers, because such a list is too exhaustive. There is no need to point out the character flaws, because if someone wants to follow a drug running, white slaving person dressed in vaisnava guru apparel, there is no chance of recovery anyway. Supersoul Guru is giving what is desired, and forgetfulness is His realm as much as Rememberance.

[PADA: OK, again, if they are criminals then they are not gurus.]

MD: The problem is that once burned, we get careful, twice burned, we get vigilant, thrice burned, we get angry. So all of us are angry, heck, I may be as angry as anyone, but anger must be controlled. We must not invite the demon knocking on our door to enter. Be angry at who you will, but let this anger remain unacted upon and life will be sweeter. Once anger is acted on, it cared not who it kills. In the case of criticizing vaisnavas, this uncontrolled anger blasts everyone without regard to those complicit in what made us angry in the first place.

[PADA: This is what people have said for years, oh sure the GBC gurus are committing an EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF CRIMES against women, children, devotees and the public, yet "do not criticize them prabhu." While various GBC gurus cleaned out the safe, orchestrated molester pooja, even killed vaishnavas, we cannot object? This is Taliban policy. No, we have a duty to speak out and protest these criminal actions. Otherwise, the society will be overrun with criminal activity, embezzling, molesting, and so on, as has indeed occured and as you admit herein the list of criminal actions is so exhaustive it cannot be listed easily. Again, an exhaustive list of criminal actions is not the behavior of gurus, it is the activity of deviants posing as gurus, and using the shield of "do not criticize the guru" has caused them to be empowered to do vastly worse crimes.]

MD: So we may have a particular target, maybe an ISKCON guru who we dont think has answered for proven crimes he has committed, and presto, all ISKCON gurus are unrighteously lumped into the slander, then all gurus are slandered as bogus, even if the angry person has no association nor experiance with the teachings of whom he has slandered.

[PADA: Well this is another problem that the GBC often say they do not know that such and such guru has been deviating. Well, why not? Because they ban, beat and maybe kill anyone who boldly points out that their guru brother has a problem? Wonder why no one is coming forward to point out the problems? Well, if you ban, beat and chop up the people who complain, or blaming the messenger program, what kind of policy is that?]

MD: As far as my friend Puranjana goes, no, sir, you are not a reason for me leaving, on the contrary, you are the reason I stay, the reason I am writing here. You kindly answer every article I write with respect, and put me on the carpet to explain myself. So, I consider you a friend, for a long time now, and your pain is quite shared. I may have a hard time with your views expressed here, but if confidentiality is not afforded on a Vaisnava Council, there is none to be had. Your PADA newsletter has been valuable to the vaisnava community to a degree, especially to those within the walls of the society that has denied human rights to it's members and possibly even to the Founder.

[PADA: Thanks!]

MD: But, that said, we aint gettin younger, and maybe this writer does not want to ever think of the infamous eleven again. Maybe this writer does not want to hear of crimes committed by leaders of fools. Definitely, this writer does not want to hear of innocent and honest servants of Srila Prabhupada, acting upon his promised guidance from within, being thrown out as refuse in an overzealous purging. Like the case presented above where I made a critical mistake, if one slams a person that another actually sees with Srila Prabhupada (past, present, and future), how is Gurudeva pleased?

Hare Krsna,
ys in cooperation,
mahaksadasa

ps to jayaradhe and visoka. this article does not relieve me of my responsibility to write youse guys. And you, Sriman Locanananda, your samkirtana stories are sublime, give my regards to the Party of Actual Spiritual Life.

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2) BIF PART-THREE / A

PART THREE / A , takes a closer look at the statement made by Bhavananda (a.k.a Charles Bacis). This statement was published on VNN Vaisnava News Network, and has since been immortalized in the GBC endorsed publication: "Not That I am Poisoned" (NTIP). Although hailed by the GBC as "conclusive," the 'statement' (as does the book itself ) demands catechism. In this review, we highlight the areas needing clarification (which is basically, all of it) by presenting concomitant contradiction with documented fact.

Firstly, it is important to understand the difference between a statement and a testimony. Testimony = " A statement or affirmation of a fact, as before a court." A statement is simply " the act of stating," or "that which is stated." Nothing more than saying what is best for the occasion. In a legal context however, a statement is attested to by designated officers of the law. A whole different ball-game in which what is quested and noted is pointed, and cannot be easily misunderstood or retracted . What we are about to dissect is not the crux of the issue, but simply a superficial statement by Charles Bacis (Bhavananda das,) who would be considered one of the prime suspects, should a felony be proved positive. The bottom line is: If the suspects in this circus were serious about exposing the truth, they would do so by proven and accepted methods, namely: 1) Take polygraph tests 2) Avail themselves to independent investigators for questioning/statements. 3) Agree to Voice Stress Analysis tests. Unless these simple and basic procedures are carried out, all else is smoke and mirrors.

The following statement by Bacis, entitled: "Statement by Bhavananda das" can be found on page 135 of the book NTIP. The 'statement' is in red, with our comments below each section.

"I have been most apprehensive about becoming involved in what I saw to be an "endless debate" on the internet over the poison issue." (NTIP pg 135)

This appears to be the public stand adopted in all declarations made by the suspects. Here's an excerpt from Bhakticaru's 'statement':

"I considered it to be so absurd that I did not think it deserved any response." (NTIP pg 121)

And here's one from Tamal Krsna's (or (TK) a.k.a Thomas Herzig) :

" I also did not want to be drawn into endless debate....." (NTIP pg 145)

Okay, from the above excerpts it would appear that the whole 'poison issue' is so absurd to these gentlemen that it doesn't merit clarification. However, intercepted COM correspondence between the senior of this group (Tamal Krsna (TK)) and his subordinates tell a whole different story. What the COM texts betray, is a marshaling of the minions. A covert attempt to squash (by using the keyboards of 'senior men' and cyber posted propaganda) any concerns or concerned parties in the 'poison issue.' Here are some segments, judge for yourself. (Note: COM is a now defunct Iskcon internal communications link-up).

TK (13/12/97): "Thank you for your assurance that CHAKRA will start spinning by Tuesday" ( Note: CHAKRA is a website that was claiming until recently, to be "independent" of ISKCON)

TK (6/6/99): " I am still of the opinion that we would benifit by two websites, a suggestion I made a week or so ago. I am even more convinced of this after reading Krishna Dharma's various statements. Chakra's mission statement is becoming clarified. Its mood is feisty and confident and clearly partisan, which is fine. But I would recommend a second website which is more news oriented and apparently neutral, something like VNN. We will be much stronger if we come to the bargaining table with two arms, rather than one. One can be the "heavy" the other apparently "sweet"- a chutney. I would propose Umapati Swami as the editor for CHAKRA, Krishna Dharma as the editor for the other, with Vipramukhya Swami facilitating both. Is this too ambitious a project"

(6/6/99): "I'm not much of a strategist, but I'd like to join WSTRAT as a passive listener. Is that possible. Ys GdG"

TK (6/6/99): " Why a passive listener? Writing is the best cure for all diseases (besides Hari Nama, of course). Please request HH Gunagrahi Maharaja to contribute. If he wishes to be anonymous, he can always use a pseudonym."

TK (16/12/97): "The supposed witness is the author of the article, Nara Narayan das. And please note, that since his version has not been discredited, it has become part of Bhagvat das' article. Syamasundar must be contacted to discredit this false allegation."

TK (16/12/97): "How is it possible for our main writer and editor, HH Umapati Maharaja, to do his work if he cannot access VNN?" (Note VNN was the website posting details of the poison investigation)

TK (20/12/97): "The main thing I have to find out is how these tapes (poison whispers) differ from the archive versions, and why. Can you give me a report of the proceedings of the investigation so I can keep a running account on the web page? Ravindra Prabhu, you seemingly have not answered whether we can give a running report of the investigation. That could certainly be news worthy."

TK (18/12/97): " As mentioned I believe on GBC Discussions or perhaps here, there is urgent need for an evaluation of Bhagavat's statement and its bearing on seeing Prabhupada as a martyr. Who will do it? I also feel that someone must write a comment on Bhagavat's statement where he indicates that he is not strictly following. In other words, what is the real proof of loving Prabhupada? Persons who have been strictly following are accused of hating Prabhupada, poisoning His Divine Grace, and subverting his movement by those who don't strictly follow but who truly love him. Does it sound right? An article like this would be appreciated by all ISKCON temple devotee readers and would help to draw the line between the opposing sides. Again, who will write it? I would think lots of persons,- any senior ISKCON devotee should be able......". (Please note the language used to: a) muster allegiance b) use allays to build a proxy defense, c) discredit revelations cult style, and d) create insecurity by pointing at phantom opposition, thereby provoking a group-committed-defense.

TK (20/12/97): "May I suggest that you post your need for various types of help--web literates, writers, researchers, etc.,--on a wide forum. You may just get many volunteers. Who knows how many would like to help, but have not been asked?"

Vipramukhya responds: "I agree with Nikilananda that we need to prioritize our work of attack. We also need to increase our team of writers. I also would appreciate help from some computer/web page literates who might be able to do some of the work behind the scenes to handle all this stuff." (Note: Vipramukhya is joint editor of the CHAKRA website)

TK (20/12/97) Is Madhusudhani (CHAKRA editor) working on this? Why not post a letter to all ISKCON gurus requesting that they send us the names of any senior literate disciples who can write for us? Better yet, post such an appeal to all Temple Presidents, since they have a COM forum. Also, we have GBC Delegates. Ask them to write and suggest names of others. Madhusudhani Radha, I request you to please do this. At the present, most articles are from Umapati Swami. We need variety. Writers! Writers! Writers! I suggest that Vipramukhya Maharaja or Umapati Maharaja write personally to a number of sannyasis and senior men and women known to be articulate and propose specific topics. They may agree."

TK (20/12/97).......The ICNA and ICE who are responsible for dealing with the media should receive a distinct and loud alarm call. We cannot simply stand by and watch this happen. If we know what Puranjana wrote and to whom, ICNA should contact the same sources and send them a short info on Puranjana and his madness, as well as answer or rather deny the accusations in his letter...........If they consider publishing news about Puranjana's message. I would say this is strictly a matter of ICNA and not of this forum which deals with internet defamation directly."

So, we can see clearly how the private action contradicts the public 'statement'. While not wanting 'an endless debate," arrangements are being made for writers, editors, literate and 'senior men' to wage a propaganda war. Sannyasis, gurus and their disciples are being compromised by Herzig into defending him (thereby, protecting Bacis as well). Devotees are being asked to draw a line between the opposing sides. What opposing sides? While exhibiting nonchalance publicly, in private our 'statesmen' are calling for a fratricidal war between brothers and sisters; sons and daughters of His Divine Grace. A schism, creating effect to escipse essential cause? Does this neurotic behaviour lend to the 'poisoner profile'?

The final text shows why Bacis (Bhavananda das) need not make any more than one statement..for the record. It also shows why Bhakticaru feels it does not deserve any response. The text will show Herzig as ISKCON's director/puppet-master/bender and shaker (a reason cited as motive ), making all the 'statements' and 'responses' necessary via lackey keyboards. But most importantly, it uncovers Herzig as the ghostwriter for the title and theme (if not the script) of the book: "Not That I am Poisoned" (NTIP). Furthermore, when we understand that the publisher of the book is Herzig's disciple (a temple president), and that its author (Hooper) works directly under the publisher.......... What do you think? Here's the text: (Note: Herzig uses the pronoun ' we' and 'us' to embroil everyone in a war to defend himself.)

TK: "I have already read the draft statement. I'm not sure about the statement since it argues at cross purposes--I'm not going to jump into the fray and respond to individual messages vs. I am jumping into the fray and discrediting all critics. I would be ducking mud balls and slinging mud balls and I don't think that will get us too far.....[.....]....But I just don't think that this counterattack is ultimately going to get us very far. I appreciate that this may have to be done by some, to win the "war of words," but I doubt that I should be one of those who do it........[.....].....Maybe that will convince devotees but it sure doesn't work for outsiders and it doesn't resolve the conflict. So I doubt this statement coming from me will do us much good......[.....]......Before the appearance of CHAKRA, our side was not scoring very well at all. It was a capital mistake to publish the exchange in which most of the critical comments are in Hindi and we offered no translation. In fact, we need to include the Hindi and the translations (as Vivek did in his piece). Otherwise, we simply look foolish. Second, we need to get past the notion that citing scripture is the main way to argue this matter. (I know it belongs to our tradition and it may work theologically, but it's not going to work in the same way here.) We need to give extended textual materials in which sentences like the one we claim "proves" that Prabhupada was not poisoned (the "not that I'm poisoned" comment) occurs (and Herzig's minions obliged by presenting in his defense, the book, titled by this very text: 'Not That I am Poisoned* ).....[......] .....I could deny what Nara Narayan has said, and I am certain that Shyamasundar das (to whom I supposedly spoke what Nara N. says he heard) I will also reject Nara Narayan's statement. That will be enough for our supporters, but such denials will not convince our opponents. That is to be expected. But what we really need is to convince the 'middle', the vast number of uncommitted. If we cannot convince the 'middle' then we are lost." (Please read carefully into Herzig's last sentence: Unless public opinion protects him...the truth will defeat him.)

* Here are Herzig's own words (no jugglery or out-of-context-quoting by this writer) admitting quite plainly that Srila Prabhupada said he was poisoned. Here it is: Tamal Krsna: " We asked Srila Prabhupada later what was the cause of his mental disturbance. Prabhupada disclosed his thoughts that someone had poisoned him." (TKG's Diary, page 340)

Comment: This writer is familiar with those investigating the death of His Divine Grace. They have no quarrel with any member of ISKCON. Undoubtedly, Bacis and Herzig along with a few others are viewed as suspects. But nobody should believe that the investigation is connected to some revolutionary takeover group. Even if the Turley case were to flatten Iskcon, it would make no difference to the conclusion of this investigation. And that will be proof enough. Nevertheless, institutional Iskcon should be chary. Aiding and abetting,--Harbouring,--Accessory after the fact, are all legal realities that involve varying degrees of complicity. Back to Bacis' statement.

"When Hari Sauri prabhu made the point that many innocent devotees were becoming bewildered by all this I felt duty bound to make a statement - and one statement only - for the record."

This is casuistry indeed, except that it oozes from its antithesis. Innocence, devotee, bewildered and Bhavananda, all in one sentence?..... It's either pornography or a lie. Yet, the book: "Not That I am Poisoned," (NTIP), takes the barney of Bacis and apotheosizes it. By solemnizing a sodomite, the "GBC Ministry For The Protection of ISKCON" identifies its niche as celebrating deviants.

However, we are interested in Hari Sauri and Bacis' proclaimation that "innocent devotees were becoming bewildered by all of this." What exactly do they mean by "innocent devotees?" Surely all devotees are innocent in this connection, or are there some who are guilty? If so, guilty of what?....Of thinking they were as good as God? Failing to keep promises made directly to His Divine Grace? Playing with little boys? Taxi-drivers? Being inhuman? Breaking sannyas vows? Seeing their sacred sordid sex lives discussed in newspapers internationally? Destroying the faith of thousands? Embracing sexual perversions? Or is it parricide? Murder for gain? Or, by 'guilty,' do they mean; those whom seek the truth? If in fact this is the case, then we must ask Hari Sauri, Bacis and the GBC: by what canon has this verdict been reached? We cannot find the statute in any legislature, secular or non-secular. Was it smuggled in from hell? Or is it part of the GBC Banana-Bending-Covenant? Please let us know since it appears unique to modern Iskcon.

And then, what does Bhavananda mean by "all of this?" Does it connote the dig for truth, or the evidence that has come to light? In either case it should not "bewilder" the "innocent." When searching for the Absolute Truth the innocent encounter relative truths, so why vex? Unless of course some truths should be skeletonized in the closet. In which case Iskcon is a lie since it deals only with fragmented/selective truth. A cult, claiming mainstream recognition while operating under the mantle of a secretive psycho-sinister-sect.

Another point of interest is Bacis' sentiments: "I felt duty bound." Duty bound to whom? And why? We would dearly like to believe this man, but his record intercedes. Numerous fire sacrifices hymns and vows couldn't keep him duty bound to God, Guru or the human form. Now he talks of being "duty bound." To whom? Who has finally secured his loyalty?....His 'Godbrothers'? How did they do it? Is it because they used the Banana-Benders'-Covenant to cover his aberrations and dispatch him willy-nilly to Australia. And then again; why do his 'Godbrothers' habour him in spite of knowing the truth? Is his fortuity the result of a donkey vote, or the influence of 'Godbrothers' holding power within the Governing Body Commission? Bacis still lectures at the Sydney temple, and is once again influencing those unaware of his illness. When we consider how readily Iskcon management tags others with "deviant" and "dissident," this ongoing ensconce by celibate gurus for a promiscuous gandoo is an enigma. Unless of course, seen in the context of blackmail.

"I did not poison Srila Prabhupada nor was I involved in a conspiracy to poison Srila Prabhupada. Absolutely none of my Godbrothers poisoned Srila Prabhupada. The entire poison issue is ludicrous and beyond absurd."

Nowhere in the history of the three worlds, do we hear a poisoner say, "Idid it". In fact, the cowardly and envious nature of these particular murderers, prompt the saintly Vedas to sentence them to death for their own good. To say, "I did not.....and none of my 'Godbrothers' did" in the hope that it will be accepted as suo moto, is fish between a bull's legs. Rather, it's what a poisoner would be expected to say. Also, what does Bacis mean by: " Absolutely none of my Godbrothers poisoned Srila Prabhupada ?" Is he telling us that he is his brother's keeper? Fully cognizant of all their activities, ergo; if they are guilty he must be too? Because if he's telling us, "The entire poison issue is ludicrous and beyond absurd," he's twenty-four years too late. He should have tried convincing the kaviraja, Bhakticaru and Tamal Krsna right there, on the spot. He was there whispering away. They all agreed that Srila Prabhupada had been poisoned. We have already pointed this out. Also, it is shown that not a single word was raised in protest when Srila Prabhupada said what he did. Nowhere on the 'Conversation Tapes' can we hear Bacis (or anyone else) say, "This is ludicrous and beyond absurd Srila Prabhupada, that you believe you are poisoned." Why is he saying this now? Is ex-guru-Bacis covering for his hoodoo-guru-godbrothers?

"Anyone who was present in Vrindavana at that time could not deny that every attempt both material and spiritual was made in an effort to keep Srila Prabhupada with us all as long as possible. Srila Prabhupada departed by his own sweet will and by the desire of his beloved Lords, Krsna and Balarama."

Anyone who was present in Vrindavan at the time, was either independent of Iskcon or influential in its managerial circles. Even so, those who managed to get permission from corporate Iskcon to visit the dham, didn't necessarily have access to the inner circle. From our own investigations, we found that even old friends of His Divine Grace (in Vrindavan) who (after SP's complaint to Balaram Misra) were denied access by tight security. Not wanting an excessively voluminous report, we will offer just one excerpt from a tape-recorded interview to prove our point:

Interviewer: **** babu? When you were going to see Srila Prabhupada, they stopped you also?

****: Hah? Trans: What?

Interviewer: ( Bengali) Apke rokedeyche? Trans: They stopped you.

****: Han. Trans: Yes.

Interviewer: Kano? Apni to purano bondu acche. Trans: Why? Why? You are an old friend.

****: O sob kichu patha nai. O bhaire rokedechelo...boleche, "No! No! No! Don't disturb him. After all he is....." Trans: They didn't know all that. They stopped (me) outside...saying, " No, no, no. Don't disturb him. After all he is..."

Interviewer: But he is...Prabhupada was your old friend. Why do you think they stopped you from going to see him?

****: (Tar) This not known to us.

Interviewer: Prabhupada was still alive at that time...He called you with his hand like this.."Come. Come." Yet they stopped you from coming?

****: "Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna." All beating the....cymbals and Hari ghanta (gong) and ect. And began to dance.

Interviewer: But wouldn't let you come forward to see? Prabhupada wanted to talk with you?

****: Yea. But they could not....they always surround.

Interviewer: How many people were with you at that time? All Bengali? Sob Bangali chelo? (were they all Bengali?)

Ad: Nrshimanandan....

****: Nrshmanandan Goswamiji, O.B.L. Kapoor, Bishvambar Goswami.

Interviewer: And they did not want you to......

Ad: Bishvambar is Padmanabha's father.

****: Right. Padmanabha's father.

Interviewer: And they did not want you to come near Srila Prabhupada, even though he had called you?

****: Han. (yes)

Okay. Back to the statement: "every attempt both material and spiritual was made in an effort to keep Srila Prabhupada with us all as long as possible"..... Tiger's eggs! All that His Divine Grace got in the way of material effort was a Herzig-interpreted-dream-made-real jungle-doctor, who even failed to meet the dreamed-up specifications (he was from Calcutta...not Delhi). Who was this 'doctor' anyway? What were his credentials? Which school of medicine did he graduate from? What success did he have in the field of acute diabetes? Who recommended the man? Why was he recommended? Is there a list of his clients that can be interviewed by our investigators? How was the fellow located in Calcutta? Who found him? Under what conditions and whose instructions was he sought? Who paid him? How much? Where are the receipts? If he was so famous and dedicated as proclaimed by the suspects ('Conversation Tapes') what incentive was he offered to drop his ailing clientele in Calcutta, his moral obligations, and to breach professional ethic in favour of administering to Srila Prabhupada in Vrindavan? And, since he 'treated' Srila Prabhupada to the end, where is the Death Certificate? Why didn't he issue one? Or, was he in fact an unregistered quack with no legal authority to be practicing? So much for 'material effort'.

Comment: From the "Conversation Tapes," qualified doctors have surmised that the kaviraja didn't have a monkey's uncle what he was dealing with. And for the very fact that no effort was made to initiate a bona fide legal/medical investigation into Srila Prabhupada's plaint, the material effort just wasn't there. When we evaluate material effort vis-a-vis inheritance, it's hardly what we'd call quid-pro-quo.

As for spiritual effort, we will leave it to Herzig (Tamal Krsna), his dream kaviraja, Bhakticaru, His Divine Grace, and an article posted by an anonymous devotee on PADA: Here they are:

Kaviraja: In the past I have cured lepers, brought youth to the aged, even made the dead come back to life. My medicines have never failed. But still Prabhupada's life is slipping away. It must be as he said. "This disease has no material cure" (Final Pastimes of SP " by TK, pg 89)

Bhakticaru: "SOMEONE GAVE HIM POISON HERE." ( T-45, side B) We ask readers to take especial note of the admission below. After reading this, there should be no more doubt :--

Tamal Krsna: " We asked Srila Prabhupada later what was the cause of his mental disturbance. Prabhupada disclosed his thoughts that someone had poisoned him." (TKG's Diary, page 340) (Not That I am Poisoned??... Nonsense !! )

Tamala Krsna: Hm. Prabhupada said, "And this is also suicide." (then he gives Prabhupada this choice ) Now you have to choose which suicide. (T-46, side A).

Srila Prabhupada: "The Ravana will kill and Rama will kill. Better to be killed by Rama. Eh?" (T-46, side A) (Is this how His Divine Grace understood the choice Herzig was offering him?)

Anonymous (PADA Oct 26th 2000): This very important information concerning a poisoning attempt of Srila Prabhupada was just given to me by a very reliable senior devotee who wishes to remain anonymous: " The devotee who assisted all the sannyasis in Vrindavan in 1977 has testified that he saw Bhavananda (Bacis) adding water (over the objections of the cooks) to all preps: being made for Srila Prabhupada in Vrindavan......"

When we link this up with the recently received audio forensic reports confirming Bacis' direct involvement with the 'poison whispers;' his intrepertation of "spiritual effort" certainly begs definition. Back to the 'statement.' "Those were extremely difficult times not only for those of us who were nursing him but also for all his disciples around the world. I don't know where Nityananda dasa was at that time but his assistance in caring for Srila Prabhupada would have been greatly appreciated by his Godbrothers."

Of course! times must have been extremely difficult for those who were nursing him. But the question is WHY!? Why were unqualified 'nurses' administering to a patient with advanced diabetes? It is not that Srila Prabhupada was a pauper. Or that hired professionals would have poisoned him. Or that he would be forcefully removed to a hospital. Dr. Khurana promised to have the hospital staff treat His Divine Grace in his room, in Vrindavan (we have the doctor on tape). But for some mysterious reason, our masochistic unqualified 'nurses' persisted in their extreme difficulty. As for the extreme difficulty faced by devotees around the world, although informed, few found the freedom to cease their fund raising activities and go to the bedside of His Divine Grace. Extremely difficult indeed. And Bacis, being fully cognizant of his "Godrothers" (as suggested earlier), his brother's keeper, should have known where Nityananda das was at the time. He could have been right there in the kitchen, pouring a colourless white liquid (as Bacis was doing) over Srila Prabhupada's food. But in fact, Nityananda prabhu was doing what most devotees were doing at the time; building an inheritance for the 'nurses', as they nursed Srila Prabhupada away on the 'sweetened milk' of sanguine sentiment.

"Srila Prabhupada was certainly never more approachable by all the devotees regardless of sannyasa, grhastha, male, female or even child. I remember thinking Srila Prabhupada would want some privacy from the video camera of Yadubara prabhu but he told me Yadubara should be allowed to film whatever he wanted. So you can understand that an atmosphere of openness prevailed, not one of secrecy and whispers as the real poison conspirators are implying."

What is Bacis talking about ? Is he aware of the "Conversation Tapes"? The published transcripts ? Does he know that every detail has been meticulously scrutinized ? Every word, every whisper duly noted ? On which of the tapes (44, 45 or 46 after Srila Prabhupada's complaint to Balaram Misra) can we witness this heavy devotee traffic Bacis speaks of ? Not a woman's voice, not a baby's cry can be heard anywhere. If Bacis was hearing women and children, he must have been taking remnants of the milk/food given His Divine Grace. "Conversations With Srila Prabhupada" Vol: 36, depicts the final days, readers can discover for themselves the exaggerations of Bacis. The truth is, Srila Prabhupada was so closely monitored he was stifled to the point of protest. Bereft of energy, his body wasted, he still argued and pleaded persistently in a bid to break free from the Ravana that held him determined.

And Bacis' usage of Yadubara's film (The Final Lesson) as an example to prove an 'atmosphere of openness,' isn't winning any Oscars. Yadubara's film albeit important, was only a short documentary. No script, props, costumes, rehearsal or re-takes were necessary. It wasn't a full length feature film just a hand-held video production that runs for approximately thirty-two minutes. Even so, there was some attempt to stop this. Only Srila Prabhupada's intervention permitted Yadubara to continue the shoot. Yet, the docu: was only a short one, certainly shorter than the Andy Warhol piece: "Chelsea Girls," in which Bacis had a role (no double-entendre meant.) In his last comment of this particular paragraph, Bacis informs us, " an atmosphere of openness prevailed, not one of secrecy and whispers as the real poison conspirators are implying." We would like to know, to whom is he referring? Is it Audio Forensic expert Mr. Jack Mitchell (owner/engineer, C.A.E Albuquerque)? Is it Dr. Helen McCaffery (Dept: of Communicative Sciences, University of Texas )? Or is it Mr. *** (name and studio withheld). Please find below the opinions offered by these experts, whom it would appear, Bacis has mistaken as the real poison conspirators.

"After a week, Jack Mitchell called Mahabuddhi and advised that we should be arranging for legal counsel, as it appeared that what he was analyzing was a poison conspiracy, judging from what he had already found on the tape."

Mr. Jack Mitchell (referring to Dr. Helen McCaffery): "I sent her the report for her review and told her that if there was anything in there that she felt was incorrect she should tell me, she should change it. Or if she felt that anything needs to be added, then she should add it. She added nothing; she changed nothing. She actually submitted a document in which she says that she is in total agreement with the report, with the findings." (Mr. Mitchell's conformation of the 'poison whispers' are recorded in the book "Someone Has Poisoned Me," appendix 2 and 3.)

Now we offer to our readers the opinion of our latest expert (name withheld,) another leading heavy-weight in the field of audio forensics. Please note the similarity in opinion and advice:

Conclusion: There is conversation about poison and the use of it. In my opinion there is certainly a basis for further investigation. Exhumation would settle the issue, although I am told that it is against religious beliefs. A forensic toxicologist and Homicide investigator should be consulted.

Opinion: Based on my training and experience, the word poison is clearly audible and intelligible in several instances.

When readers are enlightened as to who the 'whisperers' are, Bacis may need to make a "legal statement" unlike the slop he's dishing up here.

Finally, we arrive at Bacis' goodbye kiss: "Doubtless there is much work to be done for Srila Prabhupada to save the conditioned souls from the horrendous onslaught of maya. Let us all at least put this particular lunacy to rest to allow us to get on with the serious work at hand."

Surely, after reading this, even the most kinky supporter of Bacis must ask itself ; "Where does reality stop and illusion begin for Charley Bacis?" Even Bacisura sounds too dignified. Nowhere in the Puranas, Upanishads or Vedas can we find a character like Bacis. Yet, Iskcon places him on the highest podium of a preacher; The Vyasasan. How can such a thing be possible? Since Bacis has requested ' at least put this particular lunacy to rest,' and since the lunacy is an (inside) institutional malady, we are taking outside advice: "A forensic toxicologist and Homicide investigator should be consulted."

I remain the most lowly and unqualified servant of all the Vaisnavas of ISKCON.

Bhavananda dasa.

Horsefeathers!

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3) RE: GAUDIYA MATHA

* Well Puranjana I can certainly relate to your anger over physical threats and the murder of your god brother. I cannot agree with you at all regarding Sridhara Maharaja however.

[PADA: Well you have contradicted yourself herein. At every step after 1977, for example in 1980 when Ramesvara was giving up his vyasasana -- Sridhara Maharaja said NOT to do that, rather he should remain as guru. A few months later the GBC wanted to jettison Tamal and Hansadutta -- again Sridhara Maharaja said no. When Jayatirtha was taking drugs and having illicit sex, again Sridhara Maharaja rescued his guru status as well and said he had to remain as guru, and so on and so forth. And simultaneously at every step when we objected to these anartha ridden folks posing as gurus -- ours lives were threatened. Jayatirtha indeed told me in 1980 to watch my back, a threat of violence, and that he and the others had black-balled me from ISKCON.

And I got threats of death ever since then, and all of those who were giving me these death threats were considered as bona fide gurus -- by Sridhara Maharaja. So if you can relate to our problems with these threats, then why can't you relate to our seeing their biggest "advisor" at the time, Sridhara Maharaja, as being part of that problem as he was -- helping them? And Sridhara Maharaja was simultaneously severely critcizing our idea of worship the pure devotee: namely Srila Prabhupada as "bogus ritvik-ism." In addition to his boosting the GBC, he was kicking us down severely and adding considerable weight to their claim that we were "demons" etc.? Why did he not say, hey Puranjana and co. are right, our siddhanta is to worship the pure devotee, so your GBC idea of worship of homosexuals, sex mongers, drug addicts, as the worshipped shaksat hari tvena, that is wrong. No, he said you have to worship the worst anarthas on the planet as shaksat hari and as "Radharani's servants" as he says in Sri Guru And His Grace? So you see that we had a problem, yet you are refusing to see those who held up the pillar elements of that problem such as Sridhara Maharaja? And worse, he made the same things occur in the Gaudiya Matha....]

* You have your version of history, which you seem to base on a letter to Rupanuga sent in 1974 - why do you disregard the statements made after that?

[PADA: After that he said that Sridhara Maharaja was the founder of the severe offenders party, that he was implicated in association with Madhava Maharaja, that this guru of Sridhara Maharaja's, aka Vasudeva, was a homosexual and so on. He thus confirmed many of the reasons he did not agree with Sridhara Maharaja. And the post 1977 history of Sridhara Maharaja supporting more deviants as gurus is simple to prove -- I lived it.]

* Convenience?

[PADA: No, rather the Gaudiya Matha folks seem to conveniently disregard the history of us victims of their support for the mafioso gurus.]

* The others don't fit your nice neat little package of dismissing a highly learned and advanced vaishanava as an offender?

[PADA: Well, I did not say that Sridhara Maharaja's Bagh Bazaar party and the Tirtha Maharaja Mayapura party were severe offenders, Srila Prabhupada does. I agree with him, and I then personally lived what happens when homosexuals are made into gurus, as they had done in 1936. Right now the newspapers are after me again for the full story of this enforced worship of homosexuals, it is not a neat anything, it is the history of what occured. If it is not true, then they should have sued me a long time ago since I've been quoted on TV, newspapers, books, and so on and of course in my newsletters and publications since 1984 at least.]

* I find your attitude toward Sridhara Maharaja to be quite distasteful to say the least.

[PADA: Well he got people killed by his supporting a fanatical false guru arrangement in the post 30s, as Srila Prabhupada explained to us in India, that the dissenters like us were beaten, had their faces pushed into dog stools, and some were killed and so on. That is how we were treated in the 30s, us worshippers of the pure devotee. And he got the same mess going against us by supporting the same deviation after 1977. I find that this worship of homosexuals is evil and whether or not that suits anyone is of no regard to me, it is a reality: this worship is odious and the public is disgusted with it. And the TV and books and newspapers are coming to me for the real scoop, since they simply do not trust your team it seems?]

* The historical record is there for anyone who cares to go deeper into this issue. Sridhara Maharaja's instructions to the GBC were ignored and he was blacklisted by Iskcon as an offender.

[PADA: He said that Vasudeva and later the GBC were appointed as gurus. He never changed that view that we know of? And when they were falling down left right and center into odious behaviors, he said they should remain as gurus. He protected and defended them. He was blacklisted later because he said that you have to treat people better, but he could not reign in his Vasudeva frankenstein monster when the beatings and murders started there either.]

* Sridhara Maharaja is a strong advocate of the free flow of faith.

[PADA: What? When we said we should be free to worship Srila Prabhupada he black-balled us as bogus ritviks and he instead fully supported the people who were banning us, beating us and in sum hunting us like dogs. He never said, well if you want to worship anarthas like homosexuals then go do that elsewhere, not in Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON? No he supported the hijacking of the mission of the worship of the pure devotee and made that a worship of devaints program, as he had done in the post 1930s. He never supported our idea of freely worshipping the pure devotee? When did he say that? No, rather he suppressed us and challenged and checked us at every step, and covered for fools who were dating little girls (like Ramesvara) to remain as acharyas and he said we should not criticize that odious travesty of perverts sitting in the vyassana. He said that our idea that the acharya must be pure is bogus, you need to be appointed, then he launched the guru voting idea, which they adopted as well... in sum, he never said we should be "given freedom to worship the pure devotee" and he always challenged and harassed us. He even said that the acharyas sometimes go mad after money, women and power. What? The Parampara is full of mad fools? So he challenged our idea that the parampara is not contaminated and so on and so forth.... in short he never said that our idea should be given freedom, rather he repressed our idea always. I lived it prabhuji.]

* It cannot and should not be obstructed by law - rather it is above the law.

[PADA: That is not what he said. He said our idea is bogus ritvik, he directly or de facto helped those who declared us demon outlaws, and he helped those who suppressed and hunted us. To kill us. This is a FACT with KRISHNA as our witness. No one can challenge that this is what really happened since it was reported in all the media, CBS news, New York Times, i.e the people that Sridhara Maharaja said were gurus were hunting us to kill us..... simple fact.]

* Anyway, I am not interested in continuing this particular discussion as I find it distasteful to hear a great vaishnava spoken of in such a distasteful manner. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati gave Sridhara Maharaj the title of Shastra Nipuna (scriptural genius) and said at one point that he was satisfied that there was one disciple who was competent to present the proper siddhanta and that disciple was Sridhara Maharaja.

[PADA: And Srila Prabhupada said that Ramesvara was the only intelligent devotee he had. Some praise is nice to keep some people going in their service and so on, and that is nice but that does not mean that Ramesvara was the only intellgent devotee. Srila Prabhupada also said that Jayatirtha is my Tirtha, as I heard about six million times when I challenged him. That is rather evading: what they did?]

* Here are some quotes for you regarding tatastha shakti given by Srila Prabhupada. I do hope you will not say he is wrong as you have with me, who was simply representing the same thing he says below:

Srila Prabhupada writes similarly: According to Visnu Purana, Bhagavad-gita and all other Vedic literature's, the living entities are generated from the tatastha energy of the Lord. (Bhag. 3.7.9, purport)

[PADA: OK, that means they are able to choose, agreed.]

* The conclusion is that the origin of all life is the bodily effulgence of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. This is confirmed in Brahma-samhita: yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-ananda-koti. (Bhag. 4.30.5, purport)

[PADA: OK, and Radharani is also part of all life, she is an expansion of all life and she is also effulgent, this is a general idea, it does not mean that she came from the brahmajyoti? This is not a specific quote, rather it is general, wide paint brush here prabhu.]

* Thus the body is considered material and the soul is considered spiritual. The origin of them both, however, is the same Supreme Personality of Godhead. . . Everything is born of the Supreme Brahman, from which everything emanates as different energies. (Bhag. 8.12.8, purport)

The symptoms of the rainy season may be compared to the symptoms of the living entities who are covered by the three modes of material nature. The unlimited sky is like the Supreme Brahman, and the tiny living entities are like the covered sky, or Brahman covered by the three modes of material nature. Originally, everyone is part and parcel of Brahman. The Supreme Brahman, or the unlimited sky, can never be covered by a cloud, but a portion of it can be covered. As stated in the Bhagavad-gita, the living entities are part and parcel of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. But they are only an insignificant portion of the Supreme Lord. This portion is covered by the modes of material nature, and therefore the living entities are residing within this material world. The brahmajyoti-spiritual effulgence-is just like the sunshine; as the sunshine is full of molecular shining particles, so the brahmajyoti is full of minute portions of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Out of that unlimited expansion of minute portions of the Supreme Lord, some are covered by the influence of material nature, whereas others are free. [Krsna Book, Ch. 20, Description of Autumn]

[PADA: OK, does not prove they originated there.]

* The all-pervading feature of the Lord which exists in all circumstances of waking and sleeping as well as in potential states and from which the jiva-sakti (living force) is generated as both conditioned and liberated souls-is known as Brahman. (Isopanisad, Text 16, purport)

As we have learned from previous mantras, the brahmajyoti emanating from the transcendental body of the Lord is full of spiritual sparks that are individual entities with the full sense of existence. Sometimes these living entities want to enjoy their senses, and therefore they are placed in the material world to become false lords under the dictation of the senses. (Isopanisad, Text 17, purport)

As spiritual sparks of the beams emanating from the transcendental body of the Lord, we are all permanently related with Him and equal to Him in quality. (C.C. Madhya-lila 5.22)

Your servant, Audarya lila dasa

P.S. Please avoid any further denigrating remarks directed toward my Guru Maharaja and his siksha guru, Sridhara Maharaja. It is never good to villify those who have dedicated their lives to propagating the Holy Name of the Lord.

[PADA: Well maybe, but first of all, to say that fools are the successors to Srila Prabhupada is an insult to him.]

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