1) POISON ISSUE UPDATE
(Naveen Krishna dasa)

Dear Maharajas and Prabhus ...
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Please note the message below that may be of interest to you, if you have not read this book already. Further, we want to add a link to the GBC book, "Not That I am Poisoned"; we would appreciate anyone getting a digital copy of that book for us. These are the two publications on this matter, both done by persons who the November 14th Commission does not consider professional and trained investigators. Nonetheless they are helpful in understanding the issues involved in the "poisoning issue".

The reports from the professional investigators who are working for the November 14th Commission will address the shortcomings of both books. These professionals are continuing the work of Balavanta Prabhu, a trained and experienced attorney of 20+ years, as well as a former GBC member appointed by Srila Prabhupada himself to the GBC body. As you may recall, Balavanta Prabhu did not finish his work because of lack of funding; and the GBC Body decided, without telling him, that they had given the assignment to someone else who has no training or experience in the field of such investigative work ...and thus we have to now continue the work that Balavanta Prabhu, who was working in a professional and unbiased manner to discover the truthful facts, was unable to complete.

Your servant, Naveen Krishna das

THE message is as follows. Note if you visit the website you will have the option to be automatically informed when there are new additions and changes to the website. A new posting has been made to the N14C website: In the Library section, we've added a link to the book, "Someone Has Poisoned Me" by Nityananda dasa: http://www.n14c.org/library.htm

POISON ISSUE
(from Naveen Krishna to an inquiry)

Prabhu ...Pamho. Agtsp.
Many others and I are simply trying to find out the truth ...then, based on what is discovered, sastra dictates different courses of action, which will be have to be considered. Srila Prabhupada himself made the initial (poison) complaints in 1977 ...and we know that his complaint was not dealt with to the satisfaction of many of his disciples, that Srila Prabhupada was mentally distressed and thought he was being poisoned, and that thinking was clearly understood and confirmed by Bhakti Caru swami, Tamal Krishna goswami, Bhavananda Goswami and his personal kaviraj.

Yet most of us disciples and grand disciples were kept in the dark about this till someone, in 1997, 20 years later, by Krishna's arrangement, came upon the converstaion book volume 36 from the BBT archives, where the matter of being given poison by somebody is being gravely stated by His Divine Grace himself.. You can refer to Volume 36 November 8 conversation, in conversation books. You will be kept posted as more information is released. Thank you for your interest and I wish you all the best.

YS Naveen Krishna dasa

--------------- Bhav... Says: "So you can understand that an atmosphere of openness prevailed, not one of secrecy and whispers as the real poison conspirators are implying." If that is true, then can you, Bhav... please explain why there are so many whispers on the tape.

YS - GD

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2) NARAYANA MAHARAJA

[PADA NOTE: We might recall that Puri Maharaja had said that Narayana Maharaja was a false guru because he was told by his guru (Keshava maharaja) not to initiate anyone, but now these two folks have joined forces -- against the Prabhupadanugas?]

The Narayana Maharaja and BV Puri team say that unless others accept their homosexual pedophile guru lineage idiocy, i.e. their endorsements of the GBC's and the post-1936 homosexual's guru lineages, one can not be a disciple of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

Subject: its happening-and will happen even more all over the world.......
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 21:09:26 -0800 (PST)
From: janardana das Subject: Srila Prabhupadas Celebration Begins

Dear Prabhus, Please accept our humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
It is our great honour and pleasure to announce the success of the First Annual Srila Prabhupada Glorification Festival at Sri Sri Radha Damodar Mandir, Vrindaban, India, on the auspicious disappearance anniversary day of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Svami Prabhupada. The festival went on without a hitch in spite of the protests of both their holinesses Narayana Maharaj and Puri Maharaj, who personally came to Radha Damaodar Mandir with the intent of stopping the ritvik initiation ceremonies.

[PADA: Notice that when the GBC's homosexual pedophile "guru" lineage "initiates" people in the holy dham, neither Narayana Maharaja or BV Puri ever go there to protest? Rather they protest only when the pure devotee Srila Prabhupada is being worshipped? And this is the way it has been all along. For example when the GBC reinstated a known homosexual pedophile's worship, Narayana Maharaja was then sitting with them, joking, laughing and partying with this pedo-pooja clan. And indeed he was teaching them some gopi nonsense. Yet as soon as the Srila Prabhupada's worshippers come to town, he says, get the riot gear out boys, and drive them out? So what is the difference between the GBC and Narayana Maharaja? They both have endorsed homosexual pooja lineages, to the peril of children, and they both attack the worship of the pure devotee and try to drive it away by FORCE? Yet even the GBC will not come to our festivals and try to break it up like these Gaudiya Matha clones?]

JD: The Gosvamis who manage Sri Sri Radha Damodara Mandir are very dedicated to Srila Prabhupada and had no other desire other than to see Srila Prabhupada glorified. Although the Maharajas' threatened to never come to Radha Damodara Mandir again if the initiation ceremony took place, the Gosvamis nevertheless held fast to their decision after consulting with senior Prabhupada disciples like Vishnu Murti Prabhu.

[PADA: Oh swell, the Narayana Maharaja and BV Puri team say that unless others accept their homosexual pedophile guru lineage idiocy, i.e. their endorsements of the GBC's and the post-1936 homosexual's guru lineages, they are going away, and taking their dog and pony show out of town. Well, that is the best news we have heard all day! And now the Goswamis are taking our side as well. Good. And wait till the poison issue comes out more, their endorsing not only pedophiles as gurus but poisoners as gurus will be exposed. Oh, boo hoo, we are not going to Vrindavana anymore unless the residents agree with our endorsing homosexual guru lineages and our attacking the worship of the pure devotee, wow these guys are REALLY losing it. Goody!]

JD: His Holiness Kapindra Maharaj performed the auspicious ceremony in front of the Bhajan Kurtir and Samadhi of Srila Rupa Gosvami. Five new disciples of Srila Prabhupada, from all over the world, were initiated with ecstatic kirtan followed by a wonderful prasadam feast. This is a milestone in the push to reinstate Srila Prabhupada as our sole diksa guru. Hope this meets you all well and happy in Krishna's service.

Your servants,
Visvamitra das/ Janardana das (Prabhupada & Co.)

[PADA: Yep, the endorsers of the homosexual guru lineages like Narayana Maharaja are really upset that the worship of the pure devotee is going to take off. And notice, while all of SRILA PRABHUPADA's children were getting anal reconstructive surgery in Vrindavana, Narayana Maharaja was right there with the GBC and not protesting that lineage either, rather he was cheerleading that lineage. He only protests the important issues: someone is going to worship Srila Prabhupada. Oh oh! Stop that right away! Oh what a crime! Stomp that out, while he was meanwhile supporting the GBC gurus when their molester pooja program was molesting kids left, right and center, in front of his nose in the holy dham. And he still will not admit that his support of that was and is evil and wrong because these GBC guys were only appointed as proxies and not gurus as NM had mistakenly assumed. Rather, while the molesting and molester pooja was going on, NM was teaching the molester pooja clan about -- the gopis!]

NARAYANA MAHARAJA: Nowadays, the rtviks pretend that they are all disciples of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja. They were never his disciples. If they are his disciples, why are they acting against him? Can we say that the rtviks are Iskcon? Never were they Iskcon, and never can they be, even after thousands of lives.

[PADA: The ritviks say that Srila Prabhupada is the guru. So why are they wrong? Whereas NM has said that the post 1936 homosexual guru's party's lineage is his idea of guru? And then he went along and supported the GBC's post 1977 homosexual pedophile guru's lineage as his idea of gurus? To sum NM has supported the "homosexual" and "guru" lineages all along?

This is not ISKCON. This is not even human life. And then NM's pal Bhagavata Maharaja says: there is nothing wrong with the making of the 1936 homosexual guru, and NM printed that in his magazine. Nothing wrong with mixing homosexual and guru? And when the GBC's homosexual pedophile guru lineage initiates people in the holy dham, NM and Puri Maharaja never go there to complain. Indeed both of them have assisted the GBC's homosexual pedophile guru lineage system. Yet if people are worshipping the pure devotee Srila Prabhupada, they go there and try to stop that with sub-violent goonda aggression?

And worse, the people they have supported as gurus seem to have poisoned the pure devotee? The supporters of the homosexual pedophile and guru poisoner guru party are the persons who will take many lives to get cleaned up. And the clean up has started, they already said they are not going to the Radha Damodara temple anymore. GREAT!]

thanks, pada

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3) GEORGE HARRISON
(by BSD)

Hare Krishna! Obeisances. All glories to Prabhupada! The following is in rememberance of George Harrison.

My Sweet Lord, Hare-Krishna/ O My Lord, Hare-Krishna/ My Sweet Lord, Krishna-Krishna/ O My My Lord, Hare-Hare/ I really want to see You, Hare-Rama/ I really want to be with You, Hare-Rama/ I really want to see you Lord, Rama-Rama/ But it takes so long My Lord, Hare-Hare/ My Sweet Lord, Halleluah/ O My Lord, Vaisnavas' feet. This song will live forever with you in history. Thank you, Mr. Harrison.

Vaisnavas' feet in Mr. Harrion's song is talking about Srila Prabhupada. Our Prabhupada wanted everyone to become vaisnava and treat each other that way. We learn to worship Sri Krishna by worshiping the genuine guru spiritual-master. We learn how to serve the spiritual-master by serving each other. Takes practice.

We can thank Mr. TKG and his Iskcon GBC gurus for poisoning Prabhupada and destroying his family; helping N.maharaj network to take-over. Everyday for almost two-months Prabhupada was saying that the medicine is poison. We sat and listened to reports of TKG telling us, "That means S.P. is calling Western medicine poison." No.. That is not what Prabhupada is saying.. Prabhupada is saying he is being poisoned. End of discussion. No debates, investigations or issues. We have the videos. "Final Instruction." TKG's friends are pouring water down S.P.'s throat. Water is used to hide poisons for centuries.

When you watch that, remember that there is poison in that water. You are watching Prabhupada being poisoned with your own God-given eyes. Thank you, Prabhupada, for injecting the medicine of KC into Western world. It is working even though a little slowed-down by your dear son, TKG and supporters. Prime-time cartoon, family man says, Thank you, Jesus. Lord Jesus appears in the clouds and says, "Well, you see actually it was not me at all.." Krishna comes over to Jesus and says, That's okay; I'm used to it(!)

Mr. Harrison asked Srila Prabhupada if he could shave-up and live in the temple. Prabhupada rejected this telling him to go on writing music. Wish Mr. Harrison could return to us and write more Krishna songs for the world and I could go in his place. Gladly. Life without Krishna is not worth living. We are glad to see the temples appreciating in value-it will be needed to award the courtcase of abused ISKCON-children. Local Hindustands glorifying the Prabhupada poisoners. Thank you for all your help.

Haribol! Bsd

4) GEORGE HARRISON II
Hasti Gopala Dasa

Dear prabhus please accept my humble obeisances all glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Glories to our godbrother George Harrison. At last report before leaving his body Ravi Shankars daughter said that "uncle George" was chanting Hare Krsna. If he's not home now he soon will be. Devotees of the lord endeavour in their lives to cultivate knowledge of the Absolute Truth, Krsna. For how can we cultivate love of God if we do not cultivate knowledge of God, Krsna. "He who knows nothing, loves nothing. He who can do nothing is worthless. He who understands also loves, notices, sees... The more knowledge is inherent in a thing, the greater the love... Anyone who imagines that all fruits ripen at the same time as the strawberries knows nothing about grapes" Paraclesus. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada for helping all of us and our God brother George Harrison.

YS Hasti Gopala Dasa

5) GEORGE HARRISON
Kulasekhara das / Colin Jury

Dear Friends, It is a great loss for this world and a great gain for wherever in creation that the beautiful soul - known here as George Harrison - has arrived. We send our prayers that his ascent was filled with light and love - the same way that he lived here, and that we remember him the way that he was happiest - chanting the Holy Names of Krishna.

The attached photo's were taken at our Press Conference for the release of the Hare Krishna single in June 1969. That is me playing the drum above Georges head as we chanted, (for those that wouldn't have recognized me back then). The second is George holding a plate of food that was prepared for the Press. With a mixture of loss and love let us say a prayer for George that he often relished ...Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare. Goodbye dear friend,

Kulasekhara das / Colin Jury

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6) Glories of Tulasi Devi
(from Sristikhanda and Patalakhanda)

Lord Siva said, "My dear Narada Muni, kindly listen now as I relate to you the wonderful glories of Tulasi Devi. One who hears Tulasi devi's glories will have all his sinful reactions , stored for many births, destroyed and very quickly attains the lotus feet of Sri Sri Radha Krsna. The leaves , flowers, roots, branches, trunk and the shade of Tulasi Devi are all spiritual. One whose dead body is burnt in a fire which has tulasi wood as fuel, will attain the spiritual world, even if he is the most sinful of sinful persons, and that person who lights up that fire, will be freed from all sinful reactions.

One, who as the time of death takes the name of Lord Krsna and is touching the wood of Tulasi Devi, will attain the spiritual world. When the dead body is being burnt, even if one small ;piece of tulasi wood is put in the fire, then that person will attain the spiritual world; by the touch of tulasi all other wood is purified. When the messengers of Lord Visnu see a fire which has tulasi wood burning in it, they immediately come and take that person whose body has been burnt by tulasi wood, to the spiritual world. The messengers of Yamaraja will not come to that place when tulasi wood is burning. That person's body which has been burnt by tulasi wood goes to the spiritual world and on his way, all the demigods shower flowers on him. When Lord Visnu and Lord Siva see that person on his way to the spiritual world, they become very happy and bless him, and Lord Krsna comes before him, and taking his hand, He takes him to His own abode. One who offers a tulasi manjari to Lord Krsna gets the benefit of offering all the varities of flowers, after which he goes to the abode of Lord Krsna.

One who sees or comes near a house or garden where the tulasi plant is present, gets rid of all his previous sinful reactions, including that of killing a brahmana. Lord Krsna happily resides in that house, town, or forest, where tulasi devi is present. That house where tulasi devi is present, never falls on bad times and due to tulasi devis presence, that place becomes more pure than all the holy places. One who plants a tulasi tree near the temple of Lord Krsna, he will attain the abode of Krsna. Wherever the smell of tulasi devi is taken by the wind, it purifies everyone who comes in contact with it. In that house where the mud from the base of Tualsi devi is kept, all the demigods along with Lord Krsna will always reside. Wherever the shade of tulasi falls, is purified and is the best place for offering fire sacrifices. Kartikeya inquired: "My dear father (Lord Siva), which tree or plant is capable of giving love of God?"

Lord Siva replied: "My dear son, of all trees and plants, Tulasi Devi is topmost, She is all auspicious, the fullfiller of all desires, completely pure, most dear to Lord Krsna and the topmost devotee." Long ago, Lord Krsna for the welfare of all conditioned souls brought Vrndadevi in her form of a plant (Tulasi) and planted here in this material world. Tulsi is the essence of all devotional activities. Without tulasi leaves, Lord Krsna does not like to accept flowers, food stuffs, sandalwood paste, in fact anything without tualsi leaves is not looked upon by Lord Krsna. One who worships Lord Krsna daily with tulasi leaves, attains the results of all kinds of austerities, charities and fire sacrifices. In fact he does not have any other duties to perform and he has realized the essence of all scriptures.

Just as the Ganges river is purifying all who bathe in her, so Tulasi Devi is purifying the three worlds. It is not possible to describe the full benefit of offering Tulasi manjaris to Lord Krsna. Lord Krsna along with all the demigods lives wherever there is Tulasi devi. For this reason one should plant tulasi devi at ones home and offer worship daily. One who sits near tulasi devi and chants or recites prayers will attain the results much faster. All forms of ghosts and demons run away from that place where tulasi devi is planted and all kinds of sinful reactions are destroyed when one comes close to tualsi devi. One who makes a garden of tulasi plants gets the results of all charities and of one hundred fire sacrifices. One who puts into his mouth or on his head the tulasi leaves, after they have been offered to Lord Krsna, attains the abode of Lord Krsna. In kali yuga one who worships performs kirtan in front of remembers, plants, or keeps tualasi, burns up all his sinful reactions and attains Lord Krsnas abode very quickly.

One who preaches the glories of tulasi devi and also practices what he preaches, becomes very dear to Lord Krsna. One who worships tulasi devi has already satisfied his guru, the brahmanas, demigods, and all the holy places. One who offers a tulasi leaf to Lord Krsna becomes a vaisnava very quickly. What is the need of understanding all the scriptures for one who has offered the wood or leaves of tulasi devi toLord Krsna, for he will never have to taste the milk from the breast of a mother again(he will never take birth again). One who has worshipped Lord Krsna with the leaves of tulasi devi has already released all his ancestors from the realm of birth and death. My dear Kartikeya, I have told you many of the glories of Tulasi devi. If I was to describe her glories for eternity, I still would not be able to reach their conclusion. One who remembers or tells others these glorifications of tulasi devi will never take birth again."

Asta Nama Stava (eight names of Tulasi) Vrindavani, Vrnda, visvapujita, pushpasara, nandini, Krsnajivani, visva pavani, tulasi. Anyone while worshipping Tulasi devi chants these eight names will get the same results as one who performs the asvamedha yajna. And one who on the full moon day of Kartik (Tulasi devi's appearance day) Worships here with this mantra will break free from the bonds of this miserable world of birth and death, and very quickly attains Goloka Vrndavana. On the full moon day of Kartik, Lord Krsna Himself worships Tualsi devi with this mantra. One who remembers this mantra will very quickly attain devotion to Lord Krsna.

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7) WW III update

Dear Puranjana Prabhu, paoho, agt Srila Prabhupada!
Thanks for your thoughtful comments in depth. Right, Prabhupada was actually talking about possible ww3, not about something that's inevitable, but he noted ww wont come only if devotees do nice preaching and develop their purity at sufficient levels as to influence some good changes to the world at large. Unfortunately, Iskcon many post '77 scandals and unhuman blunders have, as you've said, just brought people closer to - atheism, due to the public feelings of disgust with such and similar misuse of religion, not only in post '77 Iskcon but in general, worldwide. Sad state of affairs, indeed.

Some observers see possibility that Musharraff wont last for much longer since he supports West and he's against the violent causes of frantic neoislam-followers. Therefore, change in Pakistani's reign is soon to happen, with possible eradication of all pro-west/pro-christian elements in it. In India things don't seem to develope for better, either. Premier Vajpayee looks just like someone who's been poisoned, given his shaky physical appearance in last few months. This means soon the nationalist forces in India will try to ride over the democrats and establish what they call an "immediate and proper response to terroristic muslims". Nukes. Just wait and see. Hot-headed Hindus anyway have way too much of those taliban-like agressors, and present mild government politics doesn't ring their nationalist's bells at all.

Hopefully, as you've nicely explained, world might awake from this dangerous course, and begin to cooperate on more of the tolerant, spiritual levels. Yet, given the scale of atheism, hatred and animal-slaughter on this planet at this moment, there's not much of positive wonders to be expected. Still, yes, let's give an optimism a chance. Every moral, ethic, decent, devoted to God person on Earth is hoping that polarized sides will once for all realise that God is One, and has the same important message for us all: thou shalt not kill. Thanks for your iron-strong resistance to corrupt post '77 Iskcon and similar false religionists, Srila Prabhupada is most certainly very pleased with your attitude, Prabhu, so 108x times PADA ki jaya! ys,

Ganapati & Prabhupadanugas

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BIF PART-TWO Section one, Chapter two of the book "Not That I am Poisoned," (NTIP) entitled "Srila Prabhupada's Surgeon Confirms: Diabetes to Blame," offers us the "testimony" of Dr.Andrew. J. McIrvine.

Giving him the title "Prabhupada's Surgeon," the authors of NTIP would have us assume 1) Dr. McIrvine was Srila Prabhupada's personal surgeon 2) As such, he was best positioned to make a statement (ipso facto) 3) And that he confirmed by "testimony" (read below) to the NTIP author 4) If Srila Prabhupada had toxins in his blood, the analysis/surgery performed by him (Dr. McIrvine) would have revealed this. Hence the title, "Prabhupada's Surgeon Confirms: Diabetes to Blame."

Again, NTIP presents us with contradictions that reveal a tunnel-visioned Cyclops. Imperious and impervious, it demands via sanction that we bow down to institutional ISKCON. Just as Hooper has assumed; analysis/surgery automatically reveals poison....our servitude has been similarly misinterpreted as self-evident stupidity. We shall now begin to dissect the legerdemain:- (NTIP) Chapter Two- "Srila Prabhupada's Surgeon Confirms: Diabetes To Blame."

Point One- Was Dr. McIrvine "Srila Prabhupada's Surgeon?" The answer is a definite NO! We contacted Dr. McIrvine, here's what he had to say: (quote) "He came only to the Emergency Room in Watford so would not have had full hospital notes opened." (unquote). So why would the doctor speak of "opening notes" if he was Srila Prabhupada's Surgeon? Surely he would already have notes on his patient? That's right, the doctor had never seen Srila Prabhupada before, that's why he had no notes on him. Furthermore, he never "had full hospital notes opened" because he had no future plans to see him again. Is this how personal surgeons stumble through life? Litigation dummies?

What to speak of "personal surgeon'? If we are to believe Abhirama das; (NTIP Pg-114, para 5) (quote) " The above is, I believe, an accurate account of the diagnosis of the doctors who examined Srila Prabhupada at Peace Memorial Hospital on 8th September of 1977." (unquote). Doctors!!? We thought there was only one personal surgeon.....Dr. McIrvine. And then again, here's Abhirama das: (Pg-114, para 6) (quote) "When Srila Prabhupada first arrived at the hospital they had refused to treat his urethra....." (unquote). They!!? Why would they make decisions on a private patient? Look, let's cut to the chase......Srila Prabhupada was an outpatient, and Dr. McIrvine was the ER doctor on duty at the time. He was never Srila Prabhupada's Surgeon. To imply anything else would be a deception. Having understood this, we must then ask; Why? Why did the GBC author want us to believe this? Which brings us to point number two.

Point Two- Was Dr. McIrvine best positioned to make a statement on Srila Prabhupada's condition? If the doctor was Srila Prabhupada's personal surgeon, the answer would be ..Yes. But we know he was not. Furthermore, Dr. McIrvine's tests were done only to establish the cause of "renal failure." He tells us (NTIP Pg 45) (quote) "He was obviously in poor health and showed signs of renal failure and was found to be diabetic. These diagnosis were made on clinical suspicion confirmed by blood and urine analysis." (unquote). Which proves, the doctor noted signs of renal failure, and then, diabetes was "confirmed" by analysis to be the cause. Diabetes was the confirmed cause for renal failure...It was never confirmed to be the cause of Srila Prabhupada's demise. Where is the Death Certificate signed by the doctor? What to speak of cause of death, there is no doctor, no signature, and certainly no Death Certificate. So what basis does the book have for making such claims? Anyway, we can see that even though Dr. McIrvine diagnosed diabetes as the cause of renal failure, he never treated it. His interest lay only in the renal failure, which he did treat. So, if he didn't even treat the diabetes, how could he "....Confirm: Diabetes To Blame?" The truth is; Dr. McIrvine confirmed to us that he confirmed no such thing. Bear with us, we will post his input at the end of this dissection.

Point Three- Did Dr. McIrvine offer a "Testimony" to Hooper as implied in NTIP? Here it is: (Pg 41, para 1) (quote) "...the "testimony" of this doctor would certainly be very important to determine the validity of the claims of arsnicosis." (unquote). We have turned the book upside down and shaken it. Put it through the blender and spiced it. Chanted mantras over it and burnt it, even read it....no testimony could be found. If there is some special ritual to evoke the doctor's "testimony," please let us know. We are totally at a loss. Unless of course NTIP expects us to accept as "testimony," the above noted diagnosis: (quote) "He was obviously in poor health and showed signs of renal failure and was found to be diabetic. These diagnosis were made on clinical suspicion confirmed by blood and urine analysis." (unquote). If this is the "Testimony" being referred to by Hooper, then, as already explained, it testifies to the fact that Srila Prabhupada had renal failure caused by diabetes, not death due to diabetes. And then again, Srila Prabhupada passed away two months after the meeting with Dr. McIrvine, how could the doctor give such a testimony? Unless.....he was using a crystal-ball. Another point: How could a doctor "testify" to a patient's death, when all he ever did in the way of treatment was perform a circumcision two months earlier? Yet, the GBC wants it etched in stone:- 2) The GBC body endorses the book, "Not that I am Poisoned," as the most detailed and comprehensive exposition of these allegations to date, and it recommends the book strongly to devotees who may have been affected by or who are interested in this issue. (unquote).

Point Four- If Srila Prabhupada was being poisoned, would the analysis/surgery performed by Dr. McIrvine betray the fact? Since this is the whole basis for NTIP's Chapter-Two, we consulted extensively on this point. Surgeons and pathological laboratories around the globe are unanimous in their verdict :Only specific (laboratory) blood tests reveal toxins. Our queries began at the hub of arsenic detection and treatment: The Department of Tropical Diseases. Chittranjan Avenue. Calcutta. These folk are up to their eyeballs in the current arsenic crisis in Bengal. We then took our questions to "specialists," and practicing surgeons in America Britain and Germany, the answer was always the same: "Specific laboratory tests are required to detect poisons in the blood." Our readers are free to try for themselves. Ask any pathologist or medical body. Unless one comes up with a GBC "expert," this verdict cannot be changed.

Intrinsic to the nature of research undertaken, Hooper tried in Chapter-Two, to produce an "expert" to validate his wild assumptions. He produced Larry Kovar earlier, to tell us that 3 ppm to 10 ppm was average. All he needed now was an "expert" to "testify", "If there was any poisoning, I would have detected it." However, this was a matter of medical correctness. It wasn't easy finding an "expert" in this field who had both.... treated Srila Prabhupada, and had credentials printed in Loi Bazaar. This is truly what brings Chapter-Two unstuck. Hooper called in a true expert; Dr. McIrvine. And now, we finally arrive at the analysis given by the doctor whom Hooper calls "Srila Prabhupada's Surgeon." The medical expert who "confirmed" diabetes to be the cause of Srila Prabhupada's painful death. And who found "no poison," without looking for it. Much like a mayavadi medic: "Don't seek and find. Don't seek and find." Here are excerpts from Dr. Andrew McIrvine email in red, (our comments in blue) :-

He came only to the emergency Room in Watford so would not have had full hospital notes opened (This shows positively; Dr. McIrvine was not "Srila Prabhupada's Surgeon," as captioned by Hooper)

I am afraid this is all from memory rather than actual records – but as you can imagine he was a very memorable patient (There were no actual records on poison tests (read below) ...how could he "Confirm: Diabetes to blame?")

I would probably have done just simple tests, Hb, BUN, electrolytes (These tests have nothing to do with blood-testing for poison)

"....but unfortunately there was never any suspicion of poisoning at the time and no test would have been done to substantiate the argument in either direction." (And here we have the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth)

Not wanting to waste the opportunity in obtaining a true expert's opinion, we asked the doctor a few questions. This is what he had to say: (Our questions in blue, the doctor's answers in red, comments in black) What type of blood and urine analyses were done? Would those samples or a tissue sample still be available for further testing? He came only to the emergency Room in Watford so would not have had full hospital notes opened. In the National Health Service we usually only keep records for 7 years max. I would probably have done just simple tests, Hb, BUN, electrolytes, I do not think we would have kept tissue samples. 2. Could not poisoning have exacerbated his diabetes and renal failure? yes (even doctors, after seeing "The Final Lesson" agree, Srila Prabhupada's condition was exacerbated by something)

3. A diagnosis of diabetes would not preclude the possibility of concurrent poisoning, would it? no (NO!! The doctor diagnosed diabetes to be the cause of renal failure. He never...."...Confirmed Diabetes to Blame" for Srila Prabhupada's death. It could well have been....".....concurrent poisoning.")

4. One of the symptoms of chronic arsenic poisoning is the thickening of skin in certain places of the body: could this possibly explain his most unusual degree of phimosis? very unlikely – this looked like a gradual problem probably developing over very many years (it still doesn't mean "no poison")

5. Unless arsenic is confirmed by certain specific tests, could it not be possible to miss it entirely? And would not arsenic poisoning itself cause or exacerbate diabetes and renal failure? yes and possibly (YES! Poison could be missed entirely unless "confirmed by specific tests" And YES again (Not possibly. Check question two) arsenic does exacerbate diabetes and renal failure)

best wishes

Andrew McIrvine Dr. Andrew McIrvine only met Srila Prabhupada in the Emergency Room. The facts are: McIrvine was never "Prabhupada's Surgeon." He never offered any "Testimony" to the effect that "....Diabetes was to Blame." He never suspected poisoning, never ordered a pathological test to prove or disprove its existence, and never confirmed the cause of death to be diabetes. This is his true "testimony." What he did confirm was 1) Poison does exacerbate diabetes and renal failure (a cause for investigation). 2) A blood-test for diabetes does not cover poisons (so there never was a confirmation) 3) No test for poisons were done. Yet, Chapter-Two is based on the dissimulation that the doctor a) Was Srila Prabhupada's Surgeon b) Had "testified" and " Confirmed: Diabetes was to Blame" for Srila Prabhupada's death and c) Had, by way of analysis, arrived at that diagnosis. Why the author of NTIP has worked to impose a deception, is in itself, a major cause for investigation.

In concluding this section of our report, may we draw attention to Appendix 3 of the book: NTIP. This appendix sprawls over four pages ( 219, 220, 221 & 222) without enlightening anyone about anything. Once again we shook, rattled and rolled the book to find the purport to its inclusion. What the pages contain are "Analytical Reports" from a "Scientific Services," a government service based in Brisbane, Australia. What it appears to be, is official results of a test done on "Wahl Hair Clipper Oil" and "Prabhupada's Medicine." We were intrigued. Where did this GBC Ministry find the oil necessary to do an analysis? And where did they get the idea that arsenic could leak out the hair and into hair-clipper-oil? We won't even bother to discuss "Prabhupada's Medicine." Whether the "Medicine" had anything to do with Srila Prabhupada depends on the integrity of the NTIP group. So let's leave it where it lies. Anyway, it sheds no light on the case, and is the lesser of two nothings, so we'll trash it without further ado.

We contacted Scientific Services. Yes, 'Henry' remembered the job and the "vial of oil." He brought the job up on the screen, and even discussed it with his boss; Mr. John Hegarty. "They asked that we return the sample," he informed us. "We completed the job, there was no arsenic in the oil." When told about what NTIP was trying to prove, Henry cracked up. "So that's what it was. If they had explained themselves, we could have saved them time and money. It's difficult enough to find arsenic in water even when you know it's there. 50 ppb is about the best we can do. We do do hair analysis, but looking for arsenic in hair-clipper oil under the circumstances is *#*#" It would be very interesting to know how? and how much oil? was extracted from the hair-clipper to produce the sample. From which medical journal /s did the researcher distill this miraculous idea? And what exactly was the exercise supposed to accomplish, other than publish a pretentiously relevant scientific analysis?

So there we have it. For the cost of AU $ 200.00 (US $ 100 +) the GBC Ministry got four pages of official government "analysis" about nothing. This "expert analysis" has been used by those connected with the publication of the book, to authenticate the "research" by its author. In fact, we believe, this is what prompted the "analysis" in the first place. And its inclusion in NTIP was not an afterthought, but a preconceived strategy to bewilder readers and win credence. But you know what they say: If it looks like a duck....it waddles like a duck...and it quacks like a duck....it must be a duck.

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01) http://members.tripod.com/gurupoison (Tamal indictment)
02) http://mitglied.lycos.de/pada/ pada newsletter archive

03) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933 Poison tape
04) Poison tape transcript:
04) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/19990519.htm
05) http://www.winink.com/tkg/ Poison whispers
06) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/poison/poison.htm Poison issue
07) http://www.egroups.com/group/Vaisnavacouncil (Visoka cyber istagosthi)
08) http://www.krsna.tv (underground Hare Krishna web site)
09) www.prabhupada.cc Prabhupada samkirtana site
10) http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/padaweb/puranjan.html Puranjana's Site
11) http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc GBC expose
12) http://pages.infinit.net/pragosh/home.html French site
13) http://members.aol.com/gauridas Gauridasa's site
14) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/ Rocana's site
15) www.harekrsna.de "Hare Krsna Homepage" (German)
16) http://members.nbci.com/prabhupada/ ISKCON Reform (German)
17) German translation of Final Order (pdf)
17) http://members.nbci.com/prabhupada/final.htm
18) http://members.xoom.com/prabhupada/ (German Expose)
19) http://www.equalsouls.org/tkg Srila Prabhupada wanted to be poisoned?
20) http://www.surrealist.org/gurukula/ Nandini's history site
21) http://www.krishnabooks.org Guptas KBI Books (he cheated Hansadutta)
22) http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc/ GBC
23) "illicit sex guru" rationalizations:
23) http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/iskcon/right.htm
24) http://www.artnet.net/~yasoda/index.htm Appointment tape fraud
25) http://www.asitis.com Original Bhagavad-gita As It Is
26) http://krsnabook.com Original Krsna Book
27) http://www.krishna.org Prabhupada Hare Krishna News Network
28) http://folio.bhaktivedanta.org S.P. Folio Infobase CD-ROM
29) http://realaudio.bhaktivedanta.org Prabhupada RealAudio Archive
30) http://mp3.bhaktivedanta.org Prabhupada MP3 Bhajans, 2 CD set
31) www.domgbc.org (Direction Of Management)
32) www.acbspn.com/ Prabhupada Network
33) www.ROOPA.org (Raghunatha dasa's world economics proposal)
34) http://www.prabhupada.com/ BBT archives site
35) http://www.govinda.net (first editions of S.P. books)
36) www.oversoul.co.uk Devotional music

37) http://www.JitendriyaBooks.com Trading original SP. books
38) http://krsna.wz.cz/hlavni.htm Prague Czech-devotees (english site)
39) http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/das/articles.htm (DAS)
40) http://www.com.org/hb/ptd/cyber_gurukula.htm (Cyber gurukula)